I was a M1A1 crewman for a few years and spent much of my service surrounded by DU enhanced armor. I also spent a about a year in theater with a full ammo well of DU rounds.
I've read of several studies which purport sterility is higher among tank crews who have been deployed with DU rounds. Much in the same way police who used the old radar guns. This in turn indicates exposure is slightly higher than background. These studies also report that the military tells their crew they are completely safe while independent studies and studies conducted by the military both indicate they have slightly elevated risks. This is what my comments reflect.
You are correct in that these studies do not necessarily prove causation.
Anyway, what would you think would result if you conducted an independent study asking the Iraqi people if they'd rather lived under Saddam a few more decades?
I can tell you the results since there has been many, many polls. They are very glad he's gone. They don't want him back. They want us out. They want us to stay for several more years. Bluntly, they always consider the US to be the lessor of evils and/or a necessary evil. That doesn't make us best friends.
Every time these facts are offered, it always gets troll moderated to hell because many nut jobs like to paint the US' efforts are on par or far, far worse than living under Saddam. Realistically, if it were not for Syrians, Iranians, and other Arabs coming into Iraq to screw things up, the standard of living would actually be far above what they had with Saddam. Many Iraqis are finally realizing this.
Good links. Bonus points for being intelligent and inquisitive enough to do your own legwork rather than the ever popular, "citation needed". Which is even embarrassingly lame and especially unintelligent for them given this is not a researched forum.
Sorry for the soap box there...kudos just the same.
So there's no way whatsoever for the software to keep the reactor operating at an unsafe level?
Please re-read my comments along the lines. I would not say, "no way". I would say, improbable. Pragmatically, even a normally operating reactor never has a zero probability of catastrophic failure.
Keep in mind, these days, these things are designed to be FORCED to maintain operation. They are specifically designed such that when things fail, they fail in a safe manner. Thus we have the term, "fail-safe".
As an example, imagine an electromagnet which suspends the control rods above the nuclear materials. If power is lost, be it push button, out of limits fail-safe activation, manually forced disconnection, or the throwing of a breaker, gravity forces the control rods into place to stop the process. Furthermore, modern designs typically use convective cooling. Meaning, even without pumps, the heat from the core itself maintains circulation of the coolant. The pumps simply increase efficiency, allowing for higher loads.
The residual health effects of using such weapons are still not fully understood. Look at the birth defect issues in Fallujah for a recent example.
This ignores the huge plumes of toxic smoke which covered large areas of the region which are known to be carcinogenic, toxic, be associated with birth defects, and a long list of other ancillary health problems.
It's still uranium.
It is, but only in very large quantities. Because of its mass, fallout from explosives doesn't stay airborne for long. Once scattered it typically reads background or barely above. In other words, not a noteworthy risk. Unless you happen to be a tank crew sitting on top of, and in direct contact with, a cache of shells, the health risk is generally considered inconsequential. And even for the tank crews, the risk is considered small but acceptable.
Basically, of possible causes, depleted uranium contamination is toward the bottom of the list of likely causes.
Not in the least. You need to read more on the various virus/trojans which have been released. As far as sophistication goes, this is actually fairly low to moderate, compared to what's being propagandized. This level of sophistication is easily within my grasp and I don't even specialize in this area.
Perhaps you're assuming that the malicious software wouldn't inhibit their ability to respond?
Perhaps I'm assuming that these systems are specifically designed to allow them to respond given the worst of circumstance. As others have pointed out, absolute worst case means simply shutting down a breaker, ignoring the standard facilities to do the same thing, which allows gravity to force the inhibitors to shutdown. And that assumes the multitude of automated facilities fail to automatically shutdown the reactor.
While the chances of meltdown are certainly greater than zero, they are not far from it. Modern reactors are incredibly safe and are specifically designed to deal with situations far, far, far worse than those imposed by this worm.
Which means they are betting against aliens appearing any time soon - well, at least any time in the next year. This is not their projected odds of aliens making an appearance. Its their ratio of payment should they actually appear. And based on those odds, they absolutely are betting they will not appear.
Its called a sucker bet. Their downside is large but the odds of them having to actually pay are statistically, incredibly small. As such, their upside looks like free cash.
Are you saying the Iranian government could have persuaded US manufacturers to include backdoors in equipment that was originally designed for the US market?
Besides, the United States is allowed to use uranium in their tank shells and conventional explosives. Why not Iran as well?
Depleted uranium. Which can be purchased on the market as a non-hazardous waste byproduct. It has many, many legal and legitimate uses outside of munitions.
You're frighteningly insane. If you think this would PREVENT a nuclear war, you need to think it through again.
The problem with your line of thought is that it assumes a meltdown is the likely result. In reality, its far, far more likely an orderly shutdown will result whereby they can't go back online until the problem is resolved. Not to mention, most reactors also have a manual control (powered by men) to physically shutdown the reaction.
To immediately go with the meltdown scenario is to presume you've watched far too much bad television. I'm betting Homer isn't in charge of their reactors.
What DOES worry me is that this is, in some ways, a "genie out of the bottle" moment. Formal "Weaponized" use of a computer virus to attack a state. While I'm sure it was inevitable, it is still a bit of a shock to know that the day has arrived.
This is the third or forth such use of viruses/worms which are publicly known. Chances are, the actual number is far higher. Nothing new to see here in this regard.
So access to windows source and Siemens PLC seems a must, so the really only leaves two suspects.
Actually, access to Window's source absolutely does not seem a must. But regardless, obtaining it is likely trivial. I know I've seen references to it on the net before. Any student and/or spy attending any number of various universities have access to it. Accordingly, it has been periodically freed on the Internet.
You're also missing the fact that Iranians themselves have reason to do this type of thing. Iranians, on average, are far more educated than the average American. Lots work in industry. They likely have no shortage of people who are fully capable and qualified to pull off such worms. Not to mention, politically speaking, they have almost endless justification.
If you want to be honest about it, the Iranian people themselves are the number one group which have reasons to pull this off. Next are the Israelis, followed by other surrounding Arab nations, Europe, and then lastly the US, followed by lots of smaller, less interested parties.
People seem to be in a hurry to forget that with the fall of Iraq, Iran now has center stage for regional power and authority. This is absolutely not acceptable to other Arab countries in the region.
The US did drop the cost of production to that in which other countries ended up with these by default. That is where the real problem lies. Iran, North Korea, and others maybe would have liked these technologies.
The truth is, this capability has been built into telcom equipment for almost ever. The law only formalized what was already standard fair to ensure uniformity in all purchases, not just the majority. The reason this is and always has been standard is because everyone (governments around the world) wants and/or demands it. Saying the US government is the least bit responsible is to rewrite history - which isn't exactly surprising on/.
Please name ten countries with modern phone service which do not have wire tap capability. Frankly, I doubt you can name one. Contrary to the massive stupidity being thrown around here, if you take the world, minus the US, you still have a huge market. To suggest that the manufacturer is not going to do exactly what I said to satisfy market demand is dumb. Find me that company and I'll show you a non-solvent company.
Unfortunately, the average IQ on/. has dramatically dropped over the law few years. At least that's my perception of it. I've yet to find an old timer who disagrees. The number of troll moderators and hypocritical censors is mind numbing. Most of the brilliance that started/. and kept it interesting has long gone.
These days, its rare I don't have at least one post on a topic troll moderated. Then there's the "proudly ignorant" crowd who wear their ignorance with pride and go out of their way to ensure anything which might educate them is censored, followed by a pile of stupidity by the masses.
The combination of ignorance, trolls, and willful censorship, plus meta-moderation not working in the least, means that finding the truly interesting posts can usually, only be found by reading at -1. Which obviously means wading through a lot more crap. Its also sad that a fair number of interesting or interesting posts are being made anonymously. Given the witch hunt mentality these days, I've even started posting more and more anonymously too.
Interestingly enough, I've noticed that a lot of the troll moderations don't occur when I post anonymously, even when they are moderated up, which also seems to imply I'm specifically targeted, as are others indicate they've been, by various unknown troll moderators.
At any rate, thanks.
By any chance would you happen to know of a better sci/tech meta-aggregation site. If I knew of one I'd be out of here. All the ones I've found are typically wanna-be/. with far, far worse troll populations.
If there exists at least one direct chain of causes-and-effects, regardless of how long that chain is,
Read my other replies. Blaming the US Government is completely arbitrary. Do you seriously believe every other government in the world has wiretap facilities ONLY because of the US's mandate? Nothing could be father from the truth or more silly would you state it plain and simply. But, that's what the article and others would have us believe.
I'll happily agree the US' guilt is greater than zero, but its still so small, its not worth discussion in the least. To then create an article whereby guilt is 100%, is stupidity.
Again, as I said in my other example, using your logic, you share in guilt in every vehicle death and/or injury, assuming you drive and/or own a vehicle. You ever play baseball? You share in the guilt of everyone beaten and/or killed by a bat.
At the end of the day, we all like to blame the government for all the bad in the world, but in reality, the government is us. We really do share some of the blame. But to suggest its us and them is ignorant and abhorrent to reality.
When NASA was looking for a replacement for the shuttle they didn't even consider another glider due to the cost issue alone.
Far more likely that was because of political funding issues more so than any other factor. This is probably not the best line item to put up as a defense.
Guess people don't like knowing their useless excuse to blame the government is just that - useless. Especially then they are, gasp, not to blame.
Overrated? How is a thoughtful, polite, and completely topical post which is fairly unique in its view point, over rated? Moderators need to do a much better job that this.
Only the cop in question wasn't on duty, he was in his personal car AND in plain cloths, drew his gun BEFORE identifying himself as a police officer. He should at the very least lose his job.
The cop is lucky he didn't get his brains blown out. And justifiably so. That's what "cowboy cop" refers to - idiots like that cop who clearly feel they are above the law. We don't need or want police like that. He should be fired and blacklisted from every police department in the country. He needs a new vocation where people's lives are not in the balance.
Hopefully police departments will use this video to instruct other police on how not to do everything completely wrong. He literally did nothing right.
Not at all. For that line of argument to have merit you'll first have to prove countries such as Iran, North Korea, China, almost endless list, etc., have neither the inclination or clout to establish demand for such features in the first place. Without a doubt, they absolutely do.
No matter how you look at it, this is not an US government problem. Even if the US government did not have such a mandate, I'm 100% certain there is enough interest from other governments around the world to justify such features on an up-charge and/or customization basis.
As I said, the fault squarely rests with the manufacturers. Demand for such features will always exist, ignoring the US' mandate in this regard.
Using this backward logic, assuming you drive a vehicle, are personally responsible for every vehicle related death in the world because you established demand for vehicles. After all, none of those vehicle related deaths would have occurred if it were not for your demand creating the market in the first place. Ultimately it boils down to manufacturers meeting demand for a product; be it vehicles and associated deaths or telcom equipment with wiretap facilities.
So long as manufacturers are willing to meet market demand, without any consideration of implications, its all but impossible Iran wouldn't have this capability regardless.
Not to mention removing increased capabilities prior to foreign sale is common practice for a lot of hardware. Ultimately, the government has zero culpability here. The fault lies squarely with the manufacturers of the equipment. Besides, even if it was an add on feature, chances are countries like Iran would pay the up charge.
There are only two solutions which would have prevented this situation. One, allow no manufacturer to sell their telcom equipment to Iran. Two, don't allow Iran to have telcom equipment.
Blaming the government for this is playing politics to play politics; and in doing say, ignores reality. Its completely based on false logic; which is where politics excels.
We would have had all of that and a lot more without Congress.
Fix that for you. The shuttle that flies today is not the shuttle that was originally designed. In fact, the design criteria and requirements changes numerous times because of congressional mandate. When Congress was done, we suddenly had a pig on a fuel tank and dual boosters which could only service lower orbits. The original craft was much more utilitarian, capable of servicing much higher orbits, albeit with a smaller payload area.
Realistically, the shuttle, at inception, did have potential to meet some level of desired service criteria but Congress ensured that was never going to be possible.
So basically you're saying, you've ignorantly dismissed the entire thread because, for no other reason, you personally disagree and don't want to know. You've been contrary to be contrary as you've not bothered to read anything on the subject whatsoever.
Traditionally, if you're willing to take a point to the mat, you should know at least something of the counter point. Otherwise, you tend to look foolish.
And this concludes the thread...
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I've run into the same problem with cmake. I don't really have that problem with python tools as python's virtual environment tools seem to handle things nicely. Tools such as pip natively handle virtual environments, automatically installing into it when one is active.
Also, there are lots of nice wrappers to work with python's tools, for developers, such as gogo.
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I was a M1A1 crewman for a few years and spent much of my service surrounded by DU enhanced armor. I also spent a about a year in theater with a full ammo well of DU rounds.
I've read of several studies which purport sterility is higher among tank crews who have been deployed with DU rounds. Much in the same way police who used the old radar guns. This in turn indicates exposure is slightly higher than background. These studies also report that the military tells their crew they are completely safe while independent studies and studies conducted by the military both indicate they have slightly elevated risks. This is what my comments reflect.
You are correct in that these studies do not necessarily prove causation.
Anyway, what would you think would result if you conducted an independent study asking the Iraqi people if they'd rather lived under Saddam a few more decades?
I can tell you the results since there has been many, many polls. They are very glad he's gone. They don't want him back. They want us out. They want us to stay for several more years. Bluntly, they always consider the US to be the lessor of evils and/or a necessary evil. That doesn't make us best friends.
Every time these facts are offered, it always gets troll moderated to hell because many nut jobs like to paint the US' efforts are on par or far, far worse than living under Saddam. Realistically, if it were not for Syrians, Iranians, and other Arabs coming into Iraq to screw things up, the standard of living would actually be far above what they had with Saddam. Many Iraqis are finally realizing this.
Good links. Bonus points for being intelligent and inquisitive enough to do your own legwork rather than the ever popular, "citation needed". Which is even embarrassingly lame and especially unintelligent for them given this is not a researched forum.
Sorry for the soap box there...kudos just the same.
So there's no way whatsoever for the software to keep the reactor operating at an unsafe level?
Please re-read my comments along the lines. I would not say, "no way". I would say, improbable. Pragmatically, even a normally operating reactor never has a zero probability of catastrophic failure.
Keep in mind, these days, these things are designed to be FORCED to maintain operation. They are specifically designed such that when things fail, they fail in a safe manner. Thus we have the term, "fail-safe".
As an example, imagine an electromagnet which suspends the control rods above the nuclear materials. If power is lost, be it push button, out of limits fail-safe activation, manually forced disconnection, or the throwing of a breaker, gravity forces the control rods into place to stop the process. Furthermore, modern designs typically use convective cooling. Meaning, even without pumps, the heat from the core itself maintains circulation of the coolant. The pumps simply increase efficiency, allowing for higher loads.
So on and so on...
The residual health effects of using such weapons are still not fully understood. Look at the birth defect issues in Fallujah for a recent example.
This ignores the huge plumes of toxic smoke which covered large areas of the region which are known to be carcinogenic, toxic, be associated with birth defects, and a long list of other ancillary health problems.
It's still uranium.
It is, but only in very large quantities. Because of its mass, fallout from explosives doesn't stay airborne for long. Once scattered it typically reads background or barely above. In other words, not a noteworthy risk. Unless you happen to be a tank crew sitting on top of, and in direct contact with, a cache of shells, the health risk is generally considered inconsequential. And even for the tank crews, the risk is considered small but acceptable.
Basically, of possible causes, depleted uranium contamination is toward the bottom of the list of likely causes.
Not in the least. You need to read more on the various virus/trojans which have been released. As far as sophistication goes, this is actually fairly low to moderate, compared to what's being propagandized. This level of sophistication is easily within my grasp and I don't even specialize in this area.
Perhaps you're assuming that the malicious software wouldn't inhibit their ability to respond?
Perhaps I'm assuming that these systems are specifically designed to allow them to respond given the worst of circumstance. As others have pointed out, absolute worst case means simply shutting down a breaker, ignoring the standard facilities to do the same thing, which allows gravity to force the inhibitors to shutdown. And that assumes the multitude of automated facilities fail to automatically shutdown the reactor.
While the chances of meltdown are certainly greater than zero, they are not far from it. Modern reactors are incredibly safe and are specifically designed to deal with situations far, far, far worse than those imposed by this worm.
Exactly!
Which means they are betting against aliens appearing any time soon - well, at least any time in the next year. This is not their projected odds of aliens making an appearance. Its their ratio of payment should they actually appear. And based on those odds, they absolutely are betting they will not appear.
Its called a sucker bet. Their downside is large but the odds of them having to actually pay are statistically, incredibly small. As such, their upside looks like free cash.
Are you saying the Iranian government could have persuaded US manufacturers to include backdoors in equipment that was originally designed for the US market?
Yes. Absolutely. Its commonly done every day.
I used to work in telcom.
Besides, the United States is allowed to use uranium in their tank shells and conventional explosives. Why not Iran as well?
Depleted uranium. Which can be purchased on the market as a non-hazardous waste byproduct. It has many, many legal and legitimate uses outside of munitions.
You're frighteningly insane. If you think this would PREVENT a nuclear war, you need to think it through again.
The problem with your line of thought is that it assumes a meltdown is the likely result. In reality, its far, far more likely an orderly shutdown will result whereby they can't go back online until the problem is resolved. Not to mention, most reactors also have a manual control (powered by men) to physically shutdown the reaction.
To immediately go with the meltdown scenario is to presume you've watched far too much bad television. I'm betting Homer isn't in charge of their reactors.
What DOES worry me is that this is, in some ways, a "genie out of the bottle" moment. Formal "Weaponized" use of a computer virus to attack a state. While I'm sure it was inevitable, it is still a bit of a shock to know that the day has arrived.
This is the third or forth such use of viruses/worms which are publicly known. Chances are, the actual number is far higher. Nothing new to see here in this regard.
So access to windows source and Siemens PLC seems a must, so the really only leaves two suspects.
Actually, access to Window's source absolutely does not seem a must. But regardless, obtaining it is likely trivial. I know I've seen references to it on the net before. Any student and/or spy attending any number of various universities have access to it. Accordingly, it has been periodically freed on the Internet.
You're also missing the fact that Iranians themselves have reason to do this type of thing. Iranians, on average, are far more educated than the average American. Lots work in industry. They likely have no shortage of people who are fully capable and qualified to pull off such worms. Not to mention, politically speaking, they have almost endless justification.
If you want to be honest about it, the Iranian people themselves are the number one group which have reasons to pull this off. Next are the Israelis, followed by other surrounding Arab nations, Europe, and then lastly the US, followed by lots of smaller, less interested parties.
People seem to be in a hurry to forget that with the fall of Iraq, Iran now has center stage for regional power and authority. This is absolutely not acceptable to other Arab countries in the region.
The US did drop the cost of production to that in which other countries ended up with these by default. That is where the real problem lies. Iran, North Korea, and others maybe would have liked these technologies.
The truth is, this capability has been built into telcom equipment for almost ever. The law only formalized what was already standard fair to ensure uniformity in all purchases, not just the majority. The reason this is and always has been standard is because everyone (governments around the world) wants and/or demands it. Saying the US government is the least bit responsible is to rewrite history - which isn't exactly surprising on /.
Please name ten countries with modern phone service which do not have wire tap capability. Frankly, I doubt you can name one. Contrary to the massive stupidity being thrown around here, if you take the world, minus the US, you still have a huge market. To suggest that the manufacturer is not going to do exactly what I said to satisfy market demand is dumb. Find me that company and I'll show you a non-solvent company.
Unfortunately, the average IQ on /. has dramatically dropped over the law few years. At least that's my perception of it. I've yet to find an old timer who disagrees. The number of troll moderators and hypocritical censors is mind numbing. Most of the brilliance that started /. and kept it interesting has long gone.
These days, its rare I don't have at least one post on a topic troll moderated. Then there's the "proudly ignorant" crowd who wear their ignorance with pride and go out of their way to ensure anything which might educate them is censored, followed by a pile of stupidity by the masses.
The combination of ignorance, trolls, and willful censorship, plus meta-moderation not working in the least, means that finding the truly interesting posts can usually, only be found by reading at -1. Which obviously means wading through a lot more crap. Its also sad that a fair number of interesting or interesting posts are being made anonymously. Given the witch hunt mentality these days, I've even started posting more and more anonymously too.
Interestingly enough, I've noticed that a lot of the troll moderations don't occur when I post anonymously, even when they are moderated up, which also seems to imply I'm specifically targeted, as are others indicate they've been, by various unknown troll moderators.
At any rate, thanks.
By any chance would you happen to know of a better sci/tech meta-aggregation site. If I knew of one I'd be out of here. All the ones I've found are typically wanna-be /. with far, far worse troll populations.
If there exists at least one direct chain of causes-and-effects, regardless of how long that chain is,
Read my other replies. Blaming the US Government is completely arbitrary. Do you seriously believe every other government in the world has wiretap facilities ONLY because of the US's mandate? Nothing could be father from the truth or more silly would you state it plain and simply. But, that's what the article and others would have us believe.
I'll happily agree the US' guilt is greater than zero, but its still so small, its not worth discussion in the least. To then create an article whereby guilt is 100%, is stupidity.
Again, as I said in my other example, using your logic, you share in guilt in every vehicle death and/or injury, assuming you drive and/or own a vehicle. You ever play baseball? You share in the guilt of everyone beaten and/or killed by a bat.
At the end of the day, we all like to blame the government for all the bad in the world, but in reality, the government is us. We really do share some of the blame. But to suggest its us and them is ignorant and abhorrent to reality.
When NASA was looking for a replacement for the shuttle they didn't even consider another glider due to the cost issue alone.
Far more likely that was because of political funding issues more so than any other factor. This is probably not the best line item to put up as a defense.
Guess people don't like knowing their useless excuse to blame the government is just that - useless. Especially then they are, gasp, not to blame.
Overrated? How is a thoughtful, polite, and completely topical post which is fairly unique in its view point, over rated? Moderators need to do a much better job that this.
Only the cop in question wasn't on duty, he was in his personal car AND in plain cloths, drew his gun BEFORE identifying himself as a police officer. He should at the very least lose his job.
The cop is lucky he didn't get his brains blown out. And justifiably so. That's what "cowboy cop" refers to - idiots like that cop who clearly feel they are above the law. We don't need or want police like that. He should be fired and blacklisted from every police department in the country. He needs a new vocation where people's lives are not in the balance.
Hopefully police departments will use this video to instruct other police on how not to do everything completely wrong. He literally did nothing right.
Not at all. For that line of argument to have merit you'll first have to prove countries such as Iran, North Korea, China, almost endless list, etc., have neither the inclination or clout to establish demand for such features in the first place. Without a doubt, they absolutely do.
No matter how you look at it, this is not an US government problem. Even if the US government did not have such a mandate, I'm 100% certain there is enough interest from other governments around the world to justify such features on an up-charge and/or customization basis.
As I said, the fault squarely rests with the manufacturers. Demand for such features will always exist, ignoring the US' mandate in this regard.
Using this backward logic, assuming you drive a vehicle, are personally responsible for every vehicle related death in the world because you established demand for vehicles. After all, none of those vehicle related deaths would have occurred if it were not for your demand creating the market in the first place. Ultimately it boils down to manufacturers meeting demand for a product; be it vehicles and associated deaths or telcom equipment with wiretap facilities.
So long as manufacturers are willing to meet market demand, without any consideration of implications, its all but impossible Iran wouldn't have this capability regardless.
Not to mention removing increased capabilities prior to foreign sale is common practice for a lot of hardware. Ultimately, the government has zero culpability here. The fault lies squarely with the manufacturers of the equipment. Besides, even if it was an add on feature, chances are countries like Iran would pay the up charge.
There are only two solutions which would have prevented this situation. One, allow no manufacturer to sell their telcom equipment to Iran. Two, don't allow Iran to have telcom equipment.
Blaming the government for this is playing politics to play politics; and in doing say, ignores reality. Its completely based on false logic; which is where politics excels.
and the complex throttling ability was needed for Astronaut comfort/safety.
I read this has to do with cargo capacity and altitude of orbit more so than anything else. Is this not true?
We would have had all of that and a lot more without Congress.
Fix that for you. The shuttle that flies today is not the shuttle that was originally designed. In fact, the design criteria and requirements changes numerous times because of congressional mandate. When Congress was done, we suddenly had a pig on a fuel tank and dual boosters which could only service lower orbits. The original craft was much more utilitarian, capable of servicing much higher orbits, albeit with a smaller payload area.
Realistically, the shuttle, at inception, did have potential to meet some level of desired service criteria but Congress ensured that was never going to be possible.
So basically you're saying, you've ignorantly dismissed the entire thread because, for no other reason, you personally disagree and don't want to know. You've been contrary to be contrary as you've not bothered to read anything on the subject whatsoever.
Traditionally, if you're willing to take a point to the mat, you should know at least something of the counter point. Otherwise, you tend to look foolish.
And this concludes the thread...
I've run into the same problem with cmake. I don't really have that problem with python tools as python's virtual environment tools seem to handle things nicely. Tools such as pip natively handle virtual environments, automatically installing into it when one is active.
Also, there are lots of nice wrappers to work with python's tools, for developers, such as gogo.