I've used Clearcase for about 2.5 years, and have previously used CMS, RCS, DesignSync and some others. Plus, I've written the basics of a CfgMgt from the ground up in Perl, on at least two occasions (don't ask).
Technically, CC has one major advantage over the vast majority of CfgMgt tools: directories are just another element being managed.
There's a slew of minor cutes - such as winkin; decent branches; a workable multisite solution; very powerful triggers and the choice of dynamic or manually updated views.
There are a few technical downsides: on NT/W2K the registry use is opaque (very hard to do something non-standard w.r.t usage model); the API is proprietry (no 'use ClearCase;': I write lots of 'qx+cleartool...+')
Commerically, it has been reliable; it is feature rich; supports wizards and a CLI; well supported (good manuals and good technical support); and robust. There's a large user base with lots of experience which means that it is.
I didn't say it was cheap. But it's cheaper than a man-month of lost schedule.
It need not be difficult to maintain. There is an admin learning curve. (And the 'Rational U' exists for exactly this reason.)
There is absolutly no excuse for "it lost all my data". (Is anyone seriously suggesting that you need't backup prior to letting a newbie install an unknown CfgMgt tool?)
Summary
If you want CfgMgt but don't want to spend cash, use RCS or write one.
If you have a commercial environment and a team of more than one person, then it is worthy of serious consideration.
....and this is how the FCC operates. Fortunately their budget is relatively small,
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
But now that there are Evil Hackets and net.paedophiles involved we must <B>Protect The Children.</B>
<P>
Expect appropriate budget allocations.
<P>(See also "war on drugs")
> More content-id, rights management, copy
> control stuff. Very interesting but users
> will reject it. Sorry!
You presume that you will have a choice. Bad mistake.
I refer you to the volume of deCSS discussion @/. and the discussion on on-line legistation at k5
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=200 0/11/22/17051/683
May I also remind you that there is nothing stopping either nationalisation or "registration" of ISPs and POPs.
Afterall, a modem might be considered a burglary tool.
Has anyone considered whether, as an obsfucated (ie. encripted) protocol, that the reverse engineering required for SAMBA development may be considered in breach of the DMCA?
Well, we've just moved from NT4 sp5 to W2K on most of our personal or portable machines.
Executive summary:
unless you _need_ USB, don't bother.
Summary:
- W2K needs twice the memory of NT4
- only one machine (out of a dozen) behaves better under W2K.
- unless you need USB, there's nothing that's an improvement over the tweaked NT we were using, and plenty of downside in the added "features".
- the _real_ (ie. 3rd party) apps are not ready for W2K. Work perfectly on NT.
- the MS apps are not ready. Office 2K is still a debacle. And, of course, Offic 97 doesn't properly on W2K & the file format interworking doesn't.
I guess we need to wait for SP5 and the various O'Rielly books explaining the work-arounds for all the "fixes" to the OS.
At the end of the day, I cannot trust MS.
I am now considering wasting a huge amount of time and money trying to get our 3rd party apps running on Wine/Linux. Yuck. What a waste of effort:-(
<troll>
So, which registry bits turn on W2K server?
</troll>
"What we really need is to be able to create a mass in front of our starship and accellerate that mass, and let the mass pull the starship along via gravitational forces. We would experience no sensation of movement. "
</BLOCKQUOTE>
Close, but no cigar. The elevator effect remains.
What you need to do is create a mass to move the <I>rest</I> of the universe, without disturbing your own inertial reference frame.
Seriously, what is needed is something to accelerate your "inertial reference frame". Which is as tricky a concept as gravity. (How does going down a drain in deep space know if it is spinning or not?)
"Stolen"? Hardly a problem: the problem is that the damn'd thing will break down a week after it comes out of warrantee. Probably taking your data with it. And you won't be able to get it repaired, but you will be able to "upgrade" by purchasing a "licence" for a new one. Which is incompatable with the old one.
And I'm sure, somehow, pay-per-use and no-resale or review will be slipped in. Oh, the joy!
There's no back-up quite like the dead tree copy. Particularily if it's _not_ code.
The imminent death of the Book has been forecast more times in the last 30 years than I care to recount.
Have you tried running W2K _without_ IE5 installed? (Clue: have you worked out how to _really_ remove it). Even removing all the references to IE from the registry is enough to fsck the O/S enough that I'm about to do the Great ReInstall. There's this little thing called the microsoft management console which requires IE to work. And with no MMC my 3rd party SW falls over & the damn hibernation don't work etc. etc. etc.
Now if someone _really_ knows how to run W2K with IE5 removed or disabled, please let me know!
Obtw:
http://www.labmice.net is a Very Useful Place for those of us unable to Wine our way out of W2K.
> Opera is a great browser, but who is going > to pay for it when you can get the others > for free.
I'm one of those people who pays for their SW (yes, even Winzip is registered) and having tried Opera as a Netscrape-on-NT alternative I won't be spending any money. _Out_of_the_box_ it crashed/hung more often than Win3.1 did. I don't have time to work out _why_: so it's in the bit bucket & I'm stuck with bloatscape.
Sorry, but if you can't get the sales demo version to work reliably you're going to have a hard time flogging stuff to anyone.
I don't want to pay good money to fsck up my PC when I'm quite capable of fscking it up myself.
Well, depends on the content: I've MP3's of pop and "The Australian Art Orchestra". The mp3's of the latter sound like crap.
The mp3s of the former are hard to tell from 45 vinyl or CD. Inbetween stuff (eg. complex pop/jazz with strings & percussion) is inbetween
Remember what MP3 was voiced on - compressed, processed (female) pop music. If you're into that then MP3 is fine. Me? I'm keeping my round thing - both black and silver.
If you are worried about backward compatibility, borrow/buy one of those low cost ($10K US) direct-to-disk machines. Vinyl & record players last a long, long time.
"If there's RTFM, there should be RTFA: Read the F* Article."
Yup - the article clearly describes a program designed to allow one to _deny service_ to others by spoofing reset packets. There was nothing in the article to indicate that this would not be set wild.
D.o.S. by _breaking_ your TCP/IP sessions. Only "evil" gnutella sessions, of course.
Hmm, my browsing success lately indicates that live field testing has been going on:-( (And this in comparison to my normal best-of-class 9K baud _average_ goodput)
> I'd be happier about lawyers if I could see > any realistic attempt by lawyers to improve > the situation.
And you've never shipped code you _know_ has a serious bug? Or a product that you just hope those idiot users don't do #### with it? Or been proud of cutting the BOM cost by setting the MTBF _just_ above than the warranty period? Or _just_ below, and hope that the certification lab misses it?!
There's few except the odd.edu-breath (safely protected from the real world) who could honestly say they have _never_ shipped a product that wasn't the best they could possibly do. (vs. the the best they could possibly do in the circumstances)
Ha! You should move to Australia, where the mind-boggling convoluted tax laws and the _massive_ financial rewards for exploiting the "exploits" before the ATO (IRS-clone) shuts them ensures that the Brightest Minds in Australian schools end up enrolled in Law.
In Oz, Engineering is something one does for love. It's not much higher than Teachers and Nurses in the food chain. This is _not_ silicon valley!
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Technically, CC has one major advantage over the vast majority of CfgMgt tools: directories are just another element being managed.
There's a slew of minor cutes - such as winkin; decent branches; a workable multisite solution; very powerful triggers and the choice of dynamic or manually updated views.
There are a few technical downsides: on NT/W2K the registry use is opaque (very hard to do something non-standard w.r.t usage model); the API is proprietry (no 'use ClearCase;': I write lots of 'qx+cleartool...+')
Commerically, it has been reliable; it is feature rich; supports wizards and a CLI; well supported (good manuals and good technical support); and robust. There's a large user base with lots of experience which means that it is .
I didn't say it was cheap. But it's cheaper than a man-month of lost schedule.
It need not be difficult to maintain. There is an admin learning curve. (And the 'Rational U' exists for exactly this reason.) There is absolutly no excuse for "it lost all my data". (Is anyone seriously suggesting that you need't backup prior to letting a newbie install an unknown CfgMgt tool?)
Summary
If you want CfgMgt but don't want to spend cash, use RCS or write one.
If you have a commercial environment and a team of more than one person, then it is worthy of serious consideration.
Personally, I've been very happy with it.
CD.
> More content-id, rights management, copy
/. and the discussion on on-line legistation at k5
0 0/11/22/17051/683
> control stuff. Very interesting but users
> will reject it. Sorry!
You presume that you will have a choice. Bad mistake.
I refer you to the volume of deCSS discussion @
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=20
May I also remind you that there is nothing stopping either nationalisation or "registration" of ISPs and POPs.
Afterall, a modem might be considered a burglary tool.
" It would seem to me that this would turn future wars into glorified versions of the BBC show Robot Wars."
More like modernised versions of "Christians vs the Lions" (Of course the robotic lions are carrying out a morally justifiable police action)
Pogrom, anyone?
What really worries me is when this technology starts taking advantage of some of the results of research into ultra small dimension flight.
i888 is a lovely phone -
website has IRDA support for NT, but apparently needs to be upgraded for W2K
has anyone seen *nix support for IrDA
Unfortunatly, the publishers of EDN (and ED and others) have very much taken this "ethic" to heart.
This stems from the basic hi-tech business problem: you are either a monopoly provider or a commodity provider.
This is a variation on the age old software how-to-avoid-piracy problem.
And the problems of detecting and prosecuting patent and trade secret violations are legion.
So the response is an unjustifiable attack on reverse engineering. Expect to see the DCMA applied much, much more broadly in the next few years.
Has anyone considered whether, as an obsfucated (ie. encripted) protocol, that the reverse engineering required for SAMBA development may be considered in breach of the DMCA?
> My PIII-500...smokes under Win2K
:-(
Well, we've just moved from NT4 sp5 to W2K on most of our personal or portable machines.
Executive summary:
unless you _need_ USB, don't bother.
Summary:
- W2K needs twice the memory of NT4
- only one machine (out of a dozen) behaves better under W2K.
- unless you need USB, there's nothing that's an improvement over the tweaked NT we were using, and plenty of downside in the added "features".
- the _real_ (ie. 3rd party) apps are not ready for W2K. Work perfectly on NT.
- the MS apps are not ready. Office 2K is still a debacle. And, of course, Offic 97 doesn't properly on W2K & the file format interworking doesn't.
I guess we need to wait for SP5 and the various O'Rielly books explaining the work-arounds for all the "fixes" to the OS.
At the end of the day, I cannot trust MS.
I am now considering wasting a huge amount of time and money trying to get our 3rd party apps running on Wine/Linux. Yuck. What a waste of effort
<troll>
So, which registry bits turn on W2K server?
</troll>
"Stolen"? Hardly a problem: the problem is that the damn'd thing will break down a week after it comes out of warrantee. Probably taking your data with it. And you won't be able to get it repaired, but you will be able to "upgrade" by purchasing a "licence" for a new one. Which is incompatable with the old one.
And I'm sure, somehow, pay-per-use and no-resale or review will be slipped in. Oh, the joy!
There's no back-up quite like the dead tree copy. Particularily if it's _not_ code.
The imminent death of the Book has been forecast more times in the last 30 years than I care to recount.
- The .js defaults stink (all the things I don't want enabled are enabled).
-- It wants to act as a server.
+ Not needing to edit the registery
+ speed
Have you tried running W2K _without_ IE5 installed? (Clue: have you worked out how to _really_ remove it). Even removing all the references to IE from the registry is enough to fsck the O/S enough that I'm about to do the Great ReInstall. There's this little thing called the microsoft management console which requires IE to work. And with no MMC my 3rd party SW falls over & the damn hibernation don't work etc. etc. etc.
Now if someone _really_ knows how to run W2K with IE5 removed or disabled, please let me know!
Obtw:
http://www.labmice.net is a Very Useful Place for those of us unable to Wine our way out of W2K.
> Opera is a great browser, but who is going
> to pay for it when you can get the others
> for free.
I'm one of those people who pays for their SW (yes, even Winzip is registered) and having tried Opera as a Netscrape-on-NT alternative I won't be spending any money.
_Out_of_the_box_ it crashed/hung more often than Win3.1 did. I don't have time to work out _why_: so it's in the bit bucket & I'm stuck with bloatscape.
Sorry, but if you can't get the sales demo version to work reliably you're going to have a hard time flogging stuff to anyone.
I don't want to pay good money to fsck up my PC when I'm quite capable of fscking it up myself.
Well, depends on the content: I've MP3's of pop and "The Australian Art Orchestra". The mp3's of the latter sound like crap.
The mp3s of the former are hard to tell from 45 vinyl or CD. Inbetween stuff (eg. complex pop/jazz with strings & percussion) is inbetween
Remember what MP3 was voiced on - compressed, processed (female) pop music. If you're into that then MP3 is fine. Me? I'm keeping my round thing - both black and silver.
If you are worried about backward compatibility, borrow/buy one of those low cost ($10K US) direct-to-disk machines. Vinyl & record players last a long, long time.
CD
"If there's RTFM, there should be RTFA: Read the F* Article."
:-(
Yup - the article clearly describes a program designed to allow one to _deny service_ to others by spoofing reset packets. There was nothing in the article to indicate that this would not be set wild.
D.o.S. by _breaking_ your TCP/IP sessions. Only "evil" gnutella sessions, of course.
Hmm, my browsing success lately indicates that live field testing has been going on
(And this in comparison to my normal best-of-class 9K baud _average_ goodput)
Then you're as deaf as a post :-)
Me, I just suffer tinnitus & a partial deafness at fly-back-transformer frequency (fine after that out to 18kHz at least test).
The noise of my current <B>hard drive</B> drives me nuts.
Except it still appears to be broken -
/. there's a DNS which times out on slashdot.org.
Somewhere between me and
http://slashdot.org is dead. http://www.slashdot.org is alive.
Guess which one is used in all the links?
> I'd be happier about lawyers if I could see
.edu-breath (safely protected from the real world) who could honestly say they have _never_ shipped a product that wasn't the best they could possibly do. (vs. the the best they could possibly do in the circumstances)
> any realistic attempt by lawyers to improve
> the situation.
And you've never shipped code you _know_ has a serious bug? Or a product that you just hope those idiot users don't do #### with it?
Or been proud of cutting the BOM cost by setting the MTBF _just_ above than the warranty period? Or _just_ below, and hope that the certification lab misses it?!
There's few except the odd
Thglt
Ha! You should move to Australia, where the mind-boggling convoluted tax laws and the _massive_ financial rewards for exploiting the "exploits" before the ATO (IRS-clone) shuts them ensures that the Brightest Minds in Australian schools end up enrolled in Law.
In Oz, Engineering is something one does for love. It's not much higher than Teachers and Nurses in the food chain. This is _not_ silicon valley!