I'm sorry but the list really goes on and on, I find it shocking that this is news to you and that you even go so far as to call it ridiculous. So although it certainly does affect the lives of many it also doesn't harm a great many.
In the case of video games this argument is clear, same with adult porn. Child porn is the topic at hand and its safe to say if a real child is involved then there is a real problem. CG child porn while I find offensive I'm not so sure it should be illegal. It's a highly charged issue and rightfully so but that doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions about it.
I think you missed the parents point entirely. He's not saying porn can't be harmful, he's suggesting that if you are harmed by porn then you have already been harmed by something else.
If you have an addictive personality you can be addicted to literally anything. Porn addition is in much the same venue. If you weren't addicted to porn you would be addicted to something else allowing your life to be equally destroyed.
Treating the cause is far more important than the symptom. The cause of porn addition is not porn, it's any number of other emotional problems such as your religion making you think sex and being naked is dirty. That's just one example, there are hundreds and it's not directed as you specifically.
There are people out there that have been so addicted to drinking water that they die from it. Should we get rid of water now? Just so you know I'm not just speaking out my butt here's a link
Oracle used the term "unbreakable" for quite some time and didn't stop because it was broken.
As I said, at some point other attack vectors are far more important to spend your energy and resources on which is why I said it's not worth worrying about.
If a Tier 1 border router is compromised then that provider has serious issues and is likely to go under considering how much traffic goes through peering links.
Also in regards to the Youtube IP "hijacking" which is not what it was at all, that was a situation where a government ordered a private party with access to make the change. This is a different attack vector.
In the case of business pipes if you are doing anything illegal with them your ISP will have no trouble shutting you off unless you're buying a 9gig pipe. There are always a way around the system, but even business networks are starting to get filtered due to worm attacks of the past.
The only time my firewall warns me of IP spoofing is when an internal server does something unexpected which causes me to go and look at the server. Usually a developer did something funky or I had routing issues in the past when everything was all static routing and not OSPF.
Security is indeed a process, it's also a risk management game, if you spend time on vulnerabilities that are exceedingly unlikely to happen then you will neglect more important vectors and end up with a compromised system.
Yes, we agree exactly. Indirect IP connectivity is through the ISP's router and not a direct connection to your neighbor. Some cable providers don't do this well as you say, they are in the same broadcast domain with their immediate neighbor but there are never very many customers on a single pop.
A good number of ISPs use transparent proxies as you describe as well which further makes direct connection difficult. Of course most of the transparent proxies only function with HTTP traffic so anything with a different protocol bypasses the proxy and goes straight out but still has to go through a router before it hits another customer.
Sorry, at some point when it's so extraordinarily difficult to do you just accept that it's impossible. Sending source-routed packets out is very difficult these days unless you have an old school ISP like an AT&T or a business pipe.
Most of the problems of the 90s were indeed solved and much of the issues you describe went the way of the dodo then. At this point is so easy to secure against these types of attacks that any ISP would be negligent not too.
Also most of your techniques involved compromised routers, once you have a router compromised anything is possible so the whole discussion is moot.
Still, OSPF on the inside an BGP on the outside all use authentication if done properly so much of what you describe is exceedingly difficult to the point where it's not worth mentioning. Two-way traffic is pretty much impossible without compromising other systems first as as you said.
It's like physical security, it's never 100% safe, but at a certain point you accept that it's not going ot be compromised. This behavior shouldn't prevent you from doing due diligence in the future to maintain security since it is a process but your focus is on other attack vectors.
Actually no, they all use VLSM (Variable Length subnet masks), it is quite rare that you have direct IP communication with your neighbor.
Now if you're talking about something like PC Anywhere that will travel through your ISP's router and go to the correct location, you can test this behavior by removing the default gateway from your machine and seeing what you can still connect to. My bet is that especially with Comcast it will be very little.
It is not technically possible to impersonate an address outside your local subnet, however, if they had say a tracker, they could register the ip address in the tracker and when the bad guys connect to the tracker to get the IP addresses they would then have implicated the printer.
There are exceptions of course, you can send out a packet saying it's from any address out there but you can't get two-way communication. Additionally most organizations don't allow source-routed packets these days so doing this is quite difficult as your traffic is more than likely to be blocked.
Actually no, there is space deliberately left for down channel providers, there is content that cannot be replaced and there is content that can be replaced. Advertisers pay accordingly.
Isn't the guideline for a derivative work that you have to change at least 30% of the original work? Not sure if that's a legal guideline or just something that designers use as a rule of thumb.
Actually my point was that its too little too late and too small of a scale. Giving single people $600 or married people $1200 isn't going to stimulate the economy, it's only costing the government even more money which it doesn't have.
It's irresponsible spending to get us out of a mess that was created. The only problem is that double or triple gas prices mean double or triple the spending on gas. For me personally it's about $120/week for me to drive to and from work now when it used to be a third of that. I can handle it but a lot of people can't.
Also the fact is that triple the cost of gas has put a lot of additional pressure on freight. The trucks filling our groceries stores require gas and not a small amount so the cost of food goes up.
So my argument is that the stimulus check is just another idiotic move by this administration, cutting taxes which is what it effectively was is not going to get us out of our current financial trouble. Borrowing more money to help us get out of debt makes no sense on this scale.
Amazing how many people fail to understand just how much of the dollar is owned by China. Right now the only thing keeping us afloat is the fact that China still wants us to fund their development which so far we're doing rather well. What happens when China can stand on its own? It's progressed through the ages really fast, much faster than any other country going from 3rd world country to 1st world super power.
It is in the country's interests to operate successfully within a budget that we can sustain and not maintain a deficit as large as we have.
Fair enough, although the DMCA was also passed during this time period. Clinton pushed hard for a balanced budget though while Bush is spending money even without the approval of congress.
I should have made my statement more about presidential party rather than who controls what as you are correct although in my opinion congress was actually functional during that time period, it is the job of congress to make it hard for the president to ensure that proper checks and balances are in place. The current congress exercises none of the powers that it has and it saddens me as that is vital to the country's success.
Wow! So that made a huge impact on the economy and has changed your spending habits to stimulate buying more goods to get the country back on track. Oh wait, it's just in your bank collecting interest not even helping you right now which is it's stated goal.
You illustrated my point rather nicely, the money isn't going to trickle anywhere but into the hands of people that already have money.
For those people without money it's just going to help them get through one more month.
I merely said that the tax burden on a U.S. company is not what is holding them back from growing, especially as they get larger. When they are small there are other ways to get assistance like small business interest free loans that both federal and local governments provide every year and in varying amounts.
If you lower the taxes on a company they are exceedingly unlikely to use that money to hire new people as they only hire new people out of necessity. If there is a necessity then there is already profit as the company is already growing.
I said nothing about increasing taxes, I merely said that decreasing them was completely irresponsible given current debt that the war and other irresponsible spending has put us in. We can't continue on our current trend, debt doesn't go on forever. Sadly I remember the days when that was considered something to strive for. A balanced budget, a great idea, too bad it's not followed by any means.
Right, those are state-level taxes and thus have nothing to do with the presidential election. Vermont also has very high taxes but isn't seeing this same decline, New York is the same way. New Hampshire has very low taxes but their growth is slow and steady.
California is also a very expensive place to do business but a lot of people do it and not only get by but they thrive. Imagine that, when you have a population of people around able to do something useful, like in the case of VT, NY, and CA, you end up with lots of businesses doing very well regardless of the tax structure. There is a line to cross but I don't know where it is since businesses in Europe make a profit as well and they are taxed far more heavily than any businesses in the U.S.
I'll also add that a lot of the revenue that has moved to Ireland and even Scotland now came from the U.S.
Also, Michigan and Ohio focused on manufacturing, given the current state of the world economy that makes total sense. China is far more capable of manufacturing both economically and quantitatively. Michigan didn't have a chance.
I'll agree it's a slippery slope and definitely not something to be taken lightly. Bush vs Gore, Bush vs Kerry were both great elections where a 3rd party could have made great gains but right now our constitution is being washed away and government is becoming less and less transparent. Voting for someone completely unelectable won't accomplish anything right now although I certainly wouldn't count it against anyone for doing so.
I don't believe in a wasted vote but I also believe there are a lot of people out there that vote and think we're doing something righteous internationally even though it's costing us far more than we can afford.
Actually the Democrats were the ones to pass a balanced budget under Clinton. With the Republicans in control they got us into a very expensive war we can't possibly pay for. What do you think is going to happen with all that debt? You don't think that's going to force someone, probably a democrat to raise taxes to get us back to some form of fiscal responsibility? Let us also not forget that under Bush the whole department of homeland security was created making government even bigger and costing us even more money so I fail to see how your statement has any modern relevance from that last 20 years.
Ordinarily I'd completely agree with this sentiment. Unfortunately this sentiment divides us right now when we need to take a stand against pretty much everything that's happening right now. Once we come back from the brink of insanity we can act more directly on our principles and vote accordingly.
It's a sad time in this country's history, at least we still have the option to vote for someone like Ron Paul. So maybe that's reason enough to stick to your guns.
Did someone just say Reaganomics actually works? Are you high? The tax cut did not enable them to hire you, first of all, corporate tax cuts are different than personal income tax cuts.
In my company they started growing so there was increased demand on IT personnel so necessity forced him to hire me, since then my automation has saved him millions and he's since doubled staff in other parts of the company. See how economies work?
Taxes are a reality of doing business, if the current tax structure is keeping especially a large corporation from growing then that corporation is already in rough shape given that most cities grant them tax breaks to build in their town.
Look at the economic stimulus check which didn't do jack because everyone is so in debt that they just spent the $600 or so on gas or food. With inflation the way it is that money doesn't go as far as it would have 8 years ago when gas and food was cheaper.
If you're a "have not" then you understand the concept of debt and how big a hole the republican party dug fiscally, how do you think we will pay that debt in the future? You can bet on higher taxes or taxes on more goods and services. They took from everyone and spent the money frivolously and continue to do so without remorse. I'll add that a lot of that money left the United States.
I wish I could say the democrats behaved differently but they don't, they just spent it on different things. I'll grant that democrats tend to spend it on things that actually help domestically though.
Modern democrats have a much better track record for getting us back into a sane budget and thats really what we need right now.
If that were true then why would their ISP allow them to abuse the network? My Cox contract explicitly states that if I do anything illegal they will terminate my account with them. That's on a 2gig connection. Something like a SYN flood they would notice rather immediately, why would they not take action to stop it at the source?
Server 2003 doesn't have a default setting for Automatic updates, the install prompts you to set it up either disabled, automatic installation, or just download.
Still shouldn't have crashed the server, whatever email client he's using maybe not the server. Someone didn't design their infrastructure very well, always use an outside MTA, always!
That way when you do get 800 emails in one second or 8000 the MTA just hums along transmitting email to internal mail servers which can ingest the content at whatever rate they are capable.
Except that professional disc readers/writers are on the order of 10k each. Not so embarrassingly parallel especially given that file copies are not a consistent length and there is no dedicated personnel. Right now it's a batch file that messages a user's computer to let them know it's done copying. Pain in the arse when an LTO4 drive can hold more than 10 times as much data in a smaller package.
I too had the Optiplex line in my ranks with a different problem involving the power connection. It happened to 10 machines by the time I started working for this company. After I realized that it was a recurring issue and knew I had 30 left I tried to get Dell to send me a bunch of replacements, no go. Contrast that with a PSU issue for Gateway about 8 years ago, I identified a common problem and they just asked for all the serial numbers of the affected boxes. Once they had that I received a shipment the next day and went to town.
I've no doubt that the discrepancy is a result of how much we paid for support versus how much you paid. In the case of Dell, you get better service when you pay more. With HP, Gateway, and IBM you get consistent service regardless of how much you pay. If your contract says 4 hour response then they get you 4 hour response. If you only have next day they get it to you next day. They are all easily accessible.
Of course all the big names have had their rough times in regards to support, its a roller coaster that will not end anytime soon. Whenever times get tough the first way to save money is on support.
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First of all the physical addiction from smoking is done 72 hours after a person quits smoking. The psychological addiction goes on much longer.
Water was just an example and I'm referring to psychological addiction as that is precisely what a porn addiction would be.
People get addicted to gambling, television, Internet addiction, , Shopping Addiction, and Exercise Addiction.
I'm sorry but the list really goes on and on, I find it shocking that this is news to you and that you even go so far as to call it ridiculous. So although it certainly does affect the lives of many it also doesn't harm a great many.
In the case of video games this argument is clear, same with adult porn. Child porn is the topic at hand and its safe to say if a real child is involved then there is a real problem. CG child porn while I find offensive I'm not so sure it should be illegal. It's a highly charged issue and rightfully so but that doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions about it.
I think you missed the parents point entirely. He's not saying porn can't be harmful, he's suggesting that if you are harmed by porn then you have already been harmed by something else.
If you have an addictive personality you can be addicted to literally anything. Porn addition is in much the same venue. If you weren't addicted to porn you would be addicted to something else allowing your life to be equally destroyed.
Treating the cause is far more important than the symptom. The cause of porn addition is not porn, it's any number of other emotional problems such as your religion making you think sex and being naked is dirty. That's just one example, there are hundreds and it's not directed as you specifically.
There are people out there that have been so addicted to drinking water that they die from it. Should we get rid of water now? Just so you know I'm not just speaking out my butt here's a link
Oracle used the term "unbreakable" for quite some time and didn't stop because it was broken.
As I said, at some point other attack vectors are far more important to spend your energy and resources on which is why I said it's not worth worrying about.
If a Tier 1 border router is compromised then that provider has serious issues and is likely to go under considering how much traffic goes through peering links.
Also in regards to the Youtube IP "hijacking" which is not what it was at all, that was a situation where a government ordered a private party with access to make the change. This is a different attack vector.
In the case of business pipes if you are doing anything illegal with them your ISP will have no trouble shutting you off unless you're buying a 9gig pipe. There are always a way around the system, but even business networks are starting to get filtered due to worm attacks of the past.
The only time my firewall warns me of IP spoofing is when an internal server does something unexpected which causes me to go and look at the server. Usually a developer did something funky or I had routing issues in the past when everything was all static routing and not OSPF.
Security is indeed a process, it's also a risk management game, if you spend time on vulnerabilities that are exceedingly unlikely to happen then you will neglect more important vectors and end up with a compromised system.
Yes, we agree exactly. Indirect IP connectivity is through the ISP's router and not a direct connection to your neighbor. Some cable providers don't do this well as you say, they are in the same broadcast domain with their immediate neighbor but there are never very many customers on a single pop.
A good number of ISPs use transparent proxies as you describe as well which further makes direct connection difficult. Of course most of the transparent proxies only function with HTTP traffic so anything with a different protocol bypasses the proxy and goes straight out but still has to go through a router before it hits another customer.
Sorry, at some point when it's so extraordinarily difficult to do you just accept that it's impossible. Sending source-routed packets out is very difficult these days unless you have an old school ISP like an AT&T or a business pipe.
Most of the problems of the 90s were indeed solved and much of the issues you describe went the way of the dodo then. At this point is so easy to secure against these types of attacks that any ISP would be negligent not too.
Also most of your techniques involved compromised routers, once you have a router compromised anything is possible so the whole discussion is moot.
Still, OSPF on the inside an BGP on the outside all use authentication if done properly so much of what you describe is exceedingly difficult to the point where it's not worth mentioning. Two-way traffic is pretty much impossible without compromising other systems first as as you said.
It's like physical security, it's never 100% safe, but at a certain point you accept that it's not going ot be compromised. This behavior shouldn't prevent you from doing due diligence in the future to maintain security since it is a process but your focus is on other attack vectors.
Actually no, they all use VLSM (Variable Length subnet masks), it is quite rare that you have direct IP communication with your neighbor.
Now if you're talking about something like PC Anywhere that will travel through your ISP's router and go to the correct location, you can test this behavior by removing the default gateway from your machine and seeing what you can still connect to. My bet is that especially with Comcast it will be very little.
It is not technically possible to impersonate an address outside your local subnet, however, if they had say a tracker, they could register the ip address in the tracker and when the bad guys connect to the tracker to get the IP addresses they would then have implicated the printer.
There are exceptions of course, you can send out a packet saying it's from any address out there but you can't get two-way communication. Additionally most organizations don't allow source-routed packets these days so doing this is quite difficult as your traffic is more than likely to be blocked.
Actually no, there is space deliberately left for down channel providers, there is content that cannot be replaced and there is content that can be replaced. Advertisers pay accordingly.
Isn't the guideline for a derivative work that you have to change at least 30% of the original work? Not sure if that's a legal guideline or just something that designers use as a rule of thumb.
Actually my point was that its too little too late and too small of a scale. Giving single people $600 or married people $1200 isn't going to stimulate the economy, it's only costing the government even more money which it doesn't have.
It's irresponsible spending to get us out of a mess that was created. The only problem is that double or triple gas prices mean double or triple the spending on gas. For me personally it's about $120/week for me to drive to and from work now when it used to be a third of that. I can handle it but a lot of people can't.
Also the fact is that triple the cost of gas has put a lot of additional pressure on freight. The trucks filling our groceries stores require gas and not a small amount so the cost of food goes up.
So my argument is that the stimulus check is just another idiotic move by this administration, cutting taxes which is what it effectively was is not going to get us out of our current financial trouble. Borrowing more money to help us get out of debt makes no sense on this scale.
Amazing how many people fail to understand just how much of the dollar is owned by China. Right now the only thing keeping us afloat is the fact that China still wants us to fund their development which so far we're doing rather well. What happens when China can stand on its own? It's progressed through the ages really fast, much faster than any other country going from 3rd world country to 1st world super power.
It is in the country's interests to operate successfully within a budget that we can sustain and not maintain a deficit as large as we have.
Fair enough, although the DMCA was also passed during this time period. Clinton pushed hard for a balanced budget though while Bush is spending money even without the approval of congress.
I should have made my statement more about presidential party rather than who controls what as you are correct although in my opinion congress was actually functional during that time period, it is the job of congress to make it hard for the president to ensure that proper checks and balances are in place. The current congress exercises none of the powers that it has and it saddens me as that is vital to the country's success.
XP is generic, XP Embedded is not pudgy at all and is quite well suited for this type of application.
Wow! So that made a huge impact on the economy and has changed your spending habits to stimulate buying more goods to get the country back on track. Oh wait, it's just in your bank collecting interest not even helping you right now which is it's stated goal.
You illustrated my point rather nicely, the money isn't going to trickle anywhere but into the hands of people that already have money.
For those people without money it's just going to help them get through one more month.
Actually I said none of that so calm down.
I merely said that the tax burden on a U.S. company is not what is holding them back from growing, especially as they get larger. When they are small there are other ways to get assistance like small business interest free loans that both federal and local governments provide every year and in varying amounts.
If you lower the taxes on a company they are exceedingly unlikely to use that money to hire new people as they only hire new people out of necessity. If there is a necessity then there is already profit as the company is already growing.
I said nothing about increasing taxes, I merely said that decreasing them was completely irresponsible given current debt that the war and other irresponsible spending has put us in. We can't continue on our current trend, debt doesn't go on forever. Sadly I remember the days when that was considered something to strive for. A balanced budget, a great idea, too bad it's not followed by any means.
Right, those are state-level taxes and thus have nothing to do with the presidential election. Vermont also has very high taxes but isn't seeing this same decline, New York is the same way. New Hampshire has very low taxes but their growth is slow and steady.
California is also a very expensive place to do business but a lot of people do it and not only get by but they thrive. Imagine that, when you have a population of people around able to do something useful, like in the case of VT, NY, and CA, you end up with lots of businesses doing very well regardless of the tax structure. There is a line to cross but I don't know where it is since businesses in Europe make a profit as well and they are taxed far more heavily than any businesses in the U.S.
I'll also add that a lot of the revenue that has moved to Ireland and even Scotland now came from the U.S.
Also, Michigan and Ohio focused on manufacturing, given the current state of the world economy that makes total sense. China is far more capable of manufacturing both economically and quantitatively. Michigan didn't have a chance.
I'll agree it's a slippery slope and definitely not something to be taken lightly. Bush vs Gore, Bush vs Kerry were both great elections where a 3rd party could have made great gains but right now our constitution is being washed away and government is becoming less and less transparent. Voting for someone completely unelectable won't accomplish anything right now although I certainly wouldn't count it against anyone for doing so.
I don't believe in a wasted vote but I also believe there are a lot of people out there that vote and think we're doing something righteous internationally even though it's costing us far more than we can afford.
Actually the Democrats were the ones to pass a balanced budget under Clinton. With the Republicans in control they got us into a very expensive war we can't possibly pay for. What do you think is going to happen with all that debt? You don't think that's going to force someone, probably a democrat to raise taxes to get us back to some form of fiscal responsibility? Let us also not forget that under Bush the whole department of homeland security was created making government even bigger and costing us even more money so I fail to see how your statement has any modern relevance from that last 20 years.
Prior to Reagan you would have had a point.
Ordinarily I'd completely agree with this sentiment. Unfortunately this sentiment divides us right now when we need to take a stand against pretty much everything that's happening right now. Once we come back from the brink of insanity we can act more directly on our principles and vote accordingly.
It's a sad time in this country's history, at least we still have the option to vote for someone like Ron Paul. So maybe that's reason enough to stick to your guns.
Did someone just say Reaganomics actually works? Are you high? The tax cut did not enable them to hire you, first of all, corporate tax cuts are different than personal income tax cuts.
In my company they started growing so there was increased demand on IT personnel so necessity forced him to hire me, since then my automation has saved him millions and he's since doubled staff in other parts of the company. See how economies work?
Taxes are a reality of doing business, if the current tax structure is keeping especially a large corporation from growing then that corporation is already in rough shape given that most cities grant them tax breaks to build in their town.
Look at the economic stimulus check which didn't do jack because everyone is so in debt that they just spent the $600 or so on gas or food. With inflation the way it is that money doesn't go as far as it would have 8 years ago when gas and food was cheaper.
If you're a "have not" then you understand the concept of debt and how big a hole the republican party dug fiscally, how do you think we will pay that debt in the future? You can bet on higher taxes or taxes on more goods and services. They took from everyone and spent the money frivolously and continue to do so without remorse. I'll add that a lot of that money left the United States.
I wish I could say the democrats behaved differently but they don't, they just spent it on different things. I'll grant that democrats tend to spend it on things that actually help domestically though.
Modern democrats have a much better track record for getting us back into a sane budget and thats really what we need right now.
If that were true then why would their ISP allow them to abuse the network? My Cox contract explicitly states that if I do anything illegal they will terminate my account with them. That's on a 2gig connection. Something like a SYN flood they would notice rather immediately, why would they not take action to stop it at the source?
Server 2003 doesn't have a default setting for Automatic updates, the install prompts you to set it up either disabled, automatic installation, or just download.
Still shouldn't have crashed the server, whatever email client he's using maybe not the server. Someone didn't design their infrastructure very well, always use an outside MTA, always!
That way when you do get 800 emails in one second or 8000 the MTA just hums along transmitting email to internal mail servers which can ingest the content at whatever rate they are capable.
Except that professional disc readers/writers are on the order of 10k each. Not so embarrassingly parallel especially given that file copies are not a consistent length and there is no dedicated personnel. Right now it's a batch file that messages a user's computer to let them know it's done copying. Pain in the arse when an LTO4 drive can hold more than 10 times as much data in a smaller package.
I too had the Optiplex line in my ranks with a different problem involving the power connection. It happened to 10 machines by the time I started working for this company. After I realized that it was a recurring issue and knew I had 30 left I tried to get Dell to send me a bunch of replacements, no go. Contrast that with a PSU issue for Gateway about 8 years ago, I identified a common problem and they just asked for all the serial numbers of the affected boxes. Once they had that I received a shipment the next day and went to town.
I've no doubt that the discrepancy is a result of how much we paid for support versus how much you paid. In the case of Dell, you get better service when you pay more. With HP, Gateway, and IBM you get consistent service regardless of how much you pay. If your contract says 4 hour response then they get you 4 hour response. If you only have next day they get it to you next day. They are all easily accessible.
Of course all the big names have had their rough times in regards to support, its a roller coaster that will not end anytime soon. Whenever times get tough the first way to save money is on support.