I believe (if i'm not mistaken), the Turbo Linux changes concern front end patches (much like any other patches) to the kernel that run in kernel space and certain user space packages (that would remain commerical and possible be given out in binary only format, which is really silly)
What we should really concentrate on should be those userspace packages and not any kernel additions. The kernel is safe by it's nature. --
Here we have the usual characters, SCO and D.H Brown. Both brothers to Mephistopheles and both seeming to do soemthing they have never done before, oh god, support linux? And that too in a potention fork? This does reek of a certain vain story does it not? How do you make the kingdom fall? you infect it, ofcourse.
And such infections as a bastard child, would most surly help sour the apples. Think of much to do about nothing, (Dude!).
And ofcourse there are those, who say that better things could happen from such a fork. But has that always been true? Somewhat.. there are certain benifts and certain uncertanties associtated with forking.
Then comes the question of clustering, why does, Turbo Linux ppl want their clusting solution to be part of the the official Linux kernel? There are serveral such solutions that predates. Those never wanted to be part of the kernel (for a good reason too). Were these people set up from the beiging to fork? And notice when they announced this, just when a kernel freeze was in place. How convientinet and how easy can they fork now. But wouldnt just a patch help? I'm sure that's was ExtremeLinux, BeuWolf does.
One aspect of AI is to mimic humans. This involves mispellings and random gramitical mistakes. Most sucessful AI's that were able to decieve human judges in AI competitions did this.
But BeOS (your example OS), does not support the bleeding edge hardware yet. It doesnt even support those that are supported by Linux. And that comes from an OS that claims to be a media OS (ok.. you tell me to give it time), but time has been given right? And you can now count the number of supported sound card with your fingers and the number of supported video cards can be numerated to the lowely SVGA/3dfx products. Which is a shame for a OS that pretends to be a media OS.
PS: I have great respect for anything that tries to be like MacOS:) --
maybe you missed my next post:) I made a mistake s/palm/handspring (for some odd reason someone decided to moderate that down).
I still havent been able to cancel my order. It's been over 4 weeks since I set the order. They kept on sending me from one manager to the other. The last one claimed that he didnt have access to orders made through the web. Am really dissapointed.
When I called Palm spring to cancel my visor, the tech insisted that my visor is flash upgradeable and wouldnt make me cancel it. The only way I got him to cancel my order was by asking "do you support linux?"
I love the super chip.. And the freeze.. Love the ants building a nest on his suspended chip:) Now that would be cool (do ants get attracted to high speed CPU's?) also.. it has a lot of things that are massivly geek related.. down to the neighbor (Girl) banging her bf and the geek hearing it through and wall and getting annoyed.. to how many of you has that happend?
Movie is great.. shot in black and white.. excellent show.. watch it if you feel nerdish.. (on par with the best sci-fi/tech classics of all time) --
Maybe it's not about crackers, but it is about a GEEK. A mega geek to be exect, one that finds unity in numbers and is able to predict the stock market.. Very cool movie, though.. in the end.. he drills a hole into his head (with a electric drill) and looses his mojo (aka intelligence) sigh..
You missed my point:) I was speaking in a lighter tone of tonge btw. And I do understand latency..
I was refering to the fact that we were reaching a limit in speed. This limit is somthing like the current transistor miniturazation limit we have. Such being the case, the only way we would send data out would be with good compression (and i'm sure by then there would be goo realtime compression software and the likes) did i not metion fractal?
I also said in this ideal world that everthing should be composed of light. Yes, mixsing those slow transistors in a light based medium would slow things a lot. That is one reason why we should look into alternative storage devices and the likes.
Now that we are reaching a limit as to what speed copper/silicon would preform... i think it is high time people went into these other fields and found something faster.. something based on light.. or else we'd be stuck with processors that would never speed beyond a certain point.
At this rate, most of our copper wires (Even inside the machine) would be replaced with fibre optic cables and everthing would be done with light. Crystal CPU's come to mind:) Then what? Would we have then reached the final/ultimate speed limit? I think not.
Before that happens, we need to concentrate on our algorythems and develop better compression. Sure people are getting rid of compression just cause there is mode bandwith. Nowdays you cant even watch a web broadcast without having a 56k modem, soon it would be a 256K DSL line. Just cause we have faster lines and better computers doenst mean we should stop developing better compression and tighter programs. I for one would welcome a totally opensource fractal compression algorythem and encoding/decoding routines for audtio/video and other media. That would be a nice day.
Anyway, at this speed we dont need to install OSes:) We can just run everthing from one centralized server (yes Linus, can you host it for us?):> --
That is true, as a hardcore debian user. I woudlnt want debian to be more user friendly (seriously:)) I'm sure a lot of people share this view.
If you want userfriendly debian based distrubtion. Give Corel Linux a boot when it comes out of beta. That would be the best alternative I could offer for newbies at this moment in time.
Debian has one of the best tech supports btw:) If you would so kindly point your irc clients to irc.debian.org, irc.openprojects.net or irc.linux.com and come over to #debian, you'd know why.
Commerical tech support is given by LinuxCare (from day one?).
The place I work at, is now running 90% debian, and would soon be running 100% debian. The neat bit about debian is how it's packaging system holds and it's ultra cool package management tool (aka apt). Which was the very reason why we upgraded to potato on all our servers. Debian does a good job of packaging almost anything that you can think about. And not only that, we can create a system that is fully GPLed with debian, without the hassles and.. "code-less-bugs" associated with commerical software.
One other thing I like about debian is it's platform support. Yes, debian runs on the most platforms (Linux version). Not to mention, debian is the first OS that has support for the GNU Hurd (very cool and very 21st century stuff:))
And guess what, debian has the best maintainers and you can meet and talk with them through their conferencing rooms (over on OPN) and mailing lists. They are extreemly helpful. Bugs are resolved almost instally, if you find a bug, the very next day it would be fixed (if possible) and everyoen doing an update would have it.
Speaking about updates, debian uses a very advanced package updating/upgrade/management system. Dependences are always checked (infact, you can install a whole debian system by just typing out one line with apt-get).
Debian is also good as a thin client. We have wroking debina client boxes running on 15 mb of hd space, where else the alterantive (rh took around 30 mb - on minimal install).
If you like, download debian cd now! The download process is done through rsync (Not a full big WAD of 640 mb like other distros), debian uses a very advanced tool to check and recheck every bit of your download, infact you can stop and restart download anytime you like, and create the cd spanning several days (not just in one go). This is one feature that would even give ppl with modems the chance to download debian ISO cd over the net. Get it.. boot it.. love it! Swirl it!
If I were to wear on of those and walk around in my city, I'm sure people would point fingers at me and grin, laugh, applaud. Strange, they might do the same if I'm on campus as well. Also they might keep away from me (you know how the media portray's crackers.. and how it assoicates such things as these with the likes of those?)
Sure, it's very cool and i'd really like to have a one of those babies. But, I dont see myself going over to the local (insert computer store) and buying one of those. Why not? Well, this is suposed to be wearables. But how wearble is something that blocks you field of view and restricts your moments. Making you look like something out of a borge infestation. Ha. I thinl the bill gates logo on/. is better than one of these babies.
What do I suggest? Well clean, nicely concealed wearbles. How about incooperating them into sun glasses (insert fav movie where you saw this -- matrix type looks fine too), make it wireless. We dont need a camera (at least I dont, that's what I have eyes for, unless the camera is for something else), plus that camera looking too borgish (not that they arent cool). Wearables are trying to do too many things, start small.. make just a display and a nice pad (5 key -- keyboards.. very cool) based input device, or maybe a ring (you wear it on your finger), interface. Much like a mouse, with handwriting recognition (using something like graffitte). Now that would be cool. I'm sure that wouldnt make these devices that expensive. And yes, later on you can upgrade and put a camera if you like.
What kind of power supply does these use? If we have a low power CPU (no we dont need an Alpha for something like this, even a lowly pentium 66 would do, cause if I use a wearable, it would more or less be like an x-terminal for me.. or a vnc terminal). There has been a lot of advances in mechanical power generation (you know those watchers that you shake and gets recharged), I think that would be the best source of power for these babies. Since you'd be walking around, and when your walking these would be recharging. Voice interfaces are weak as well and take too much CPU/power. Bat's are fine.
If they absorb light, cant that be transfered into starch somewhere:) Then the starch could be turned into sugar, add your fav additives and aritifical coloring + carbonated water + high fructose + caramel color + phosphoric acid + caffeine and you have reinvented Coca Cola (minus X) --
Imagine, You can play q3a on this with a brown paper bag on your lap. And guess what, you'd _Glow_ in the dark too!:)
Large screens such as this have only one use (in this moment in time). Wouldnt it be great to have a couple of this at the next and have it scroll source code (much like what mozilla did.. and how ID was watching their download servers).
Or maybe, it wold be better if they had a raffle and give a couple of these away. Or, someone rich could actually buy a couple of this and have some sort of a programming contest (maybe they have some software that needs to be written but no one really wants to write it?) and give the first place winner one of these babies.. the rest can have VA systems.:)
Oh, these wont hurt your eyes (I'm not a registered eye doc) --
3d support on Alpha AXP arch is almost as good (or better) than 3D support on i386 archs. What we are waiting is for xfree86 and it's non-platofrm based 3d/2d modular driver support. This would be the point when 3D would finally be a reality on all free OS platforms that use xfree86 4.0.
I strongly believe ID and other Linux game software companies should try to limit arch based code from sneaking too much into their source balls. That would indeed be a problem. Sure you can write a magnificiant game in i386 assembly that would be faster than any other game, but how easy would it be to port? I'm sure John knows this and would make his code as portable as possible. The only thing we need to tell/show him is that Linux is not just the i386 arch, and also we need to let him know that there are many free OSes that runs his games pretty well (with a hack or two).
Crow's GLX module for g200/g400 is a patch to let ppl run opengl till glx is offically part of the xfree86 distribution. Till then we can enjoy and advance it:)
the posibilities of cybersex in such a world..:) And the how about those ping-idiots/haX0r kids who want to nuke you all the time. Well in such a world, you'd be able to take your BFG, aim and blow them to netherland. Oh wouldnt it be nice if there was a death period.. Like if you die, you cant log in for 10 mins or something. That would get some homework done. --
I know it's too early to ask this question, since q3a is still not finished and all. But, is there plans to continue the quake series? Beyond q3a that is. If so what would we expect in your next quake based game? If not, what other type of game(s) are you planning to make? Lately there has been a lot of interest on first person based adventure games (eg: halflife and Thief), would ID concider making one?
Yes I didnt mean it as a flame bait. I was refering to this add. Which I find hilarious:) I'm an alltime mac user and love the macs. The slight tongue and cheek was due to the fact that I cant afford those g4's:( --
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I believe (if i'm not mistaken), the Turbo Linux changes concern front end patches (much like any other patches) to the kernel that run in kernel space and certain user space packages (that would remain commerical and possible be given out in binary only format, which is really silly)
What we should really concentrate on should be those userspace packages and not any kernel additions. The kernel is safe by it's nature.
--
Here we have the usual characters, SCO and D.H Brown. Both brothers to Mephistopheles and both seeming to do soemthing they have never done before, oh god, support linux? And that too in a potention fork? This does reek of a certain vain story does it not? How do you make the kingdom fall? you infect it, ofcourse.
And such infections as a bastard child, would most surly help sour the apples. Think of much to do about nothing, (Dude!).
And ofcourse there are those, who say that better things could happen from such a fork. But has that always been true? Somewhat.. there are certain benifts and certain uncertanties associtated with forking.
Then comes the question of clustering, why does, Turbo Linux ppl want their clusting solution to be part of the the official Linux kernel? There are serveral such solutions that predates. Those never wanted to be part of the kernel (for a good reason too). Were these people set up from the beiging to fork? And notice when they announced this, just when a kernel freeze was in place. How convientinet and how easy can they fork now. But wouldnt just a patch help? I'm sure that's was ExtremeLinux, BeuWolf does.
And thus,
To fork or not to fork, that is the question..
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One aspect of AI is to mimic humans. This involves mispellings and random gramitical mistakes. Most sucessful AI's that were able to decieve human judges in AI competitions did this.
:)
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Maybe your not aware of this,
:)
But BeOS (your example OS), does not support the bleeding edge hardware yet. It doesnt even support those that are supported by Linux. And that comes from an OS that claims to be a media OS (ok.. you tell me to give it time), but time has been given right? And you can now count the number of supported sound card with your fingers and the number of supported video cards can be numerated to the lowely SVGA/3dfx products. Which is a shame for a OS that pretends to be a media OS.
PS: I have great respect for anything that tries to be like MacOS
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.. oh what a spanking awaits thee...
Tehehehe..
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maybe you missed my next post :) I made a mistake s/palm/handspring (for some odd reason someone decided to moderate that down).
I still havent been able to cancel my order. It's been over 4 weeks since I set the order. They kept on sending me from one manager to the other. The last one claimed that he didnt have access to orders made through the web. Am really dissapointed.
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When I called Palm spring to cancel my visor, the tech insisted that my visor is flash upgradeable and wouldnt make me cancel it. The only way I got him to cancel my order was by asking "do you support linux?"
:)
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also, the first number of every line starts with 0
Yes, that is cause, 0 denotes (i believe) caps. So the first letter of every sentence is captilized?
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Oops..
s/onclick/one-click
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This msg is encoded using our on-click(tm) patented encoding scheme.
This encoding is subject to US and international Patent laws.
Unauthorized decrypting of this encoding would result in our revoking of your onclick membership
Happy Onclicking.
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I love the super chip.. And the freeze.. Love the ants building a nest on his suspended chip :) Now that would be cool (do ants get attracted to high speed CPU's?) also.. it has a lot of things that are massivly geek related.. down to the neighbor (Girl) banging her bf and the geek hearing it through and wall and getting annoyed.. to how many of you has that happend?
Movie is great.. shot in black and white.. excellent show.. watch it if you feel nerdish.. (on par with the best sci-fi/tech classics of all time)
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Maybe it's not about crackers, but it is about a GEEK. A mega geek to be exect, one that finds unity in numbers and is able to predict the stock market.. Very cool movie, though.. in the end.. he drills a hole into his head (with a electric drill) and looses his mojo (aka intelligence) sigh..
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Was the link to the 10 most wanted men, with explict details about their crimes and so on..
If they can put such things online.. in such manner.. why do they critize Marilyn Manson and ID folk?
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You missed my point :) I was speaking in a lighter tone of tonge btw. And I do understand latency..
I was refering to the fact that we were reaching a limit in speed. This limit is somthing like the current transistor miniturazation limit we have. Such being the case, the only way we would send data out would be with good compression (and i'm sure by then there would be goo realtime compression software and the likes) did i not metion fractal?
I also said in this ideal world that everthing should be composed of light. Yes, mixsing those slow transistors in a light based medium would slow things a lot. That is one reason why we should look into alternative storage devices and the likes.
Now that we are reaching a limit as to what speed copper/silicon would preform... i think it is high time people went into these other fields and found something faster.. something based on light.. or else we'd be stuck with processors that would never speed beyond a certain point.
Later..
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At this rate, most of our copper wires (Even inside the machine) would be replaced with fibre optic cables and everthing would be done with light. Crystal CPU's come to mind :) Then what? Would we have then reached the final/ultimate speed limit? I think not.
:) We can just run everthing from one centralized server (yes Linus, can you host it for us?) :>
Before that happens, we need to concentrate on our algorythems and develop better compression. Sure people are getting rid of compression just cause there is mode bandwith. Nowdays you cant even watch a web broadcast without having a 56k modem, soon it would be a 256K DSL line. Just cause we have faster lines and better computers doenst mean we should stop developing better compression and tighter programs. I for one would welcome a totally opensource fractal compression algorythem and encoding/decoding routines for audtio/video and other media. That would be a nice day.
Anyway, at this speed we dont need to install OSes
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That is true, as a hardcore debian user. I woudlnt want debian to be more user friendly (seriously :)) I'm sure a lot of people share this view.
:) If you would so kindly point your irc clients to irc.debian.org, irc.openprojects.net or irc.linux.com and come over to #debian, you'd know why.
If you want userfriendly debian based distrubtion. Give Corel Linux a boot when it comes out of beta. That would be the best alternative I could offer for newbies at this moment in time.
Debian has one of the best tech supports btw
Commerical tech support is given by LinuxCare (from day one?).
Thank you.
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Debian is truly something else,
:))
.. boot it.. love it! Swirl it!
The place I work at, is now running 90% debian, and would soon be running 100% debian. The neat bit about debian is how it's packaging system holds and it's ultra cool package management tool (aka apt). Which was the very reason why we upgraded to potato on all our servers. Debian does a good job of packaging almost anything that you can think about. And not only that, we can create a system that is fully GPLed with debian, without the hassles and.. "code-less-bugs" associated with commerical software.
One other thing I like about debian is it's platform support. Yes, debian runs on the most platforms (Linux version). Not to mention, debian is the first OS that has support for the GNU Hurd (very cool and very 21st century stuff
And guess what, debian has the best maintainers and you can meet and talk with them through their conferencing rooms (over on OPN) and mailing lists. They are extreemly helpful. Bugs are resolved almost instally, if you find a bug, the very next day it would be fixed (if possible) and everyoen doing an update would have it.
Speaking about updates, debian uses a very advanced package updating/upgrade/management system. Dependences are always checked (infact, you can install a whole debian system by just typing out one line with apt-get).
Debian is also good as a thin client. We have wroking debina client boxes running on 15 mb of hd space, where else the alterantive (rh took around 30 mb - on minimal install).
If you like, download debian cd now! The download process is done through rsync (Not a full big WAD of 640 mb like other distros), debian uses a very advanced tool to check and recheck every bit of your download, infact you can stop and restart download anytime you like, and create the cd spanning several days (not just in one go). This is one feature that would even give ppl with modems the chance to download debian ISO cd over the net. Get it
Oh! Free virtual-beer in #debian over on OPN
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Which distro uses mozilla as the browser?
:)
:)
And.. if you werent informed earlier.
Debian has and had (form the start) packaged mozilla, along with every version of Netscape known to women and men (ok being politically correct)
Infact, it is has the most packages comparied to all other distros
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If I were to wear on of those and walk around in my city, I'm sure people would point fingers at me and grin, laugh, applaud. Strange, they might do the same if I'm on campus as well. Also they might keep away from me (you know how the media portray's crackers.. and how it assoicates such things as these with the likes of those?)
/. is better than one of these babies.
.. very cool) based input device, or maybe a ring (you wear it on your finger), interface. Much like a mouse, with handwriting recognition (using something like graffitte). Now that would be cool. I'm sure that wouldnt make these devices that expensive. And yes, later on you can upgrade and put a camera if you like.
Sure, it's very cool and i'd really like to have a one of those babies. But, I dont see myself going over to the local (insert computer store) and buying one of those. Why not? Well, this is suposed to be wearables. But how wearble is something that blocks you field of view and restricts your moments. Making you look like something out of a borge infestation. Ha. I thinl the bill gates logo on
What do I suggest? Well clean, nicely concealed wearbles. How about incooperating them into sun glasses (insert fav movie where you saw this -- matrix type looks fine too), make it wireless. We dont need a camera (at least I dont, that's what I have eyes for, unless the camera is for something else), plus that camera looking too borgish (not that they arent cool). Wearables are trying to do too many things, start small.. make just a display and a nice pad (5 key -- keyboards
What kind of power supply does these use? If we have a low power CPU (no we dont need an Alpha for something like this, even a lowly pentium 66 would do, cause if I use a wearable, it would more or less be like an x-terminal for me.. or a vnc terminal). There has been a lot of advances in mechanical power generation (you know those watchers that you shake and gets recharged), I think that would be the best source of power for these babies. Since you'd be walking around, and when your walking these would be recharging. Voice interfaces are weak as well and take too much CPU/power. Bat's are fine.
Enjoy
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If they absorb light, cant that be transfered into starch somewhere :) Then the starch could be turned into sugar, add your fav additives and aritifical coloring + carbonated water + high fructose + caramel color + phosphoric acid + caffeine and you have reinvented Coca Cola (minus X)
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Posiblities are endless...
:)
:)
Imagine, You can play q3a on this with a brown paper bag on your lap. And guess what, you'd _Glow_ in the dark too!
Large screens such as this have only one use (in this moment in time). Wouldnt it be great to have a couple of this at the next and have it scroll source code (much like what mozilla did.. and how ID was watching their download servers).
Or maybe, it wold be better if they had a raffle and give a couple of these away. Or, someone rich could actually buy a couple of this and have some sort of a programming contest (maybe they have some software that needs to be written but no one really wants to write it?) and give the first place winner one of these babies.. the rest can have VA systems.
Oh, these wont hurt your eyes (I'm not a registered eye doc)
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Actually,
:)
3d support on Alpha AXP arch is almost as good (or better) than 3D support on i386 archs. What we are waiting is for xfree86 and it's non-platofrm based 3d/2d modular driver support. This would be the point when 3D would finally be a reality on all free OS platforms that use xfree86 4.0.
I strongly believe ID and other Linux game software companies should try to limit arch based code from sneaking too much into their source balls. That would indeed be a problem. Sure you can write a magnificiant game in i386 assembly that would be faster than any other game, but how easy would it be to port? I'm sure John knows this and would make his code as portable as possible. The only thing we need to tell/show him is that Linux is not just the i386 arch, and also we need to let him know that there are many free OSes that runs his games pretty well (with a hack or two).
Crow's GLX module for g200/g400 is a patch to let ppl run opengl till glx is offically part of the xfree86 distribution. Till then we can enjoy and advance it
Frag well
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the posibilities of cybersex in such a world.. :) And the how about those ping-idiots/haX0r kids who want to nuke you all the time. Well in such a world, you'd be able to take your BFG, aim and blow them to netherland. Oh wouldnt it be nice if there was a death period.. Like if you die, you cant log in for 10 mins or something. That would get some homework done.
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Dear John,
I know it's too early to ask this question, since q3a is still not finished and all. But, is there plans to continue the quake series? Beyond q3a that is. If so what would we expect in your next quake based game? If not, what other type of game(s) are you planning to make? Lately there has been a lot of interest on first person based adventure games (eg: halflife and Thief), would ID concider making one?
Thank you.
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Hola AC!,
:) I'm an alltime mac user and love the macs. The slight tongue and cheek was due to the fact that I cant afford those g4's :(
Yes I didnt mean it as a flame bait. I was refering to this add. Which I find hilarious
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