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50" Flat Screens from Pioneer
jon pointed us to an amazing screen. Its 50 inches, its flat, and at $20k you could buy a nice car instead. And 1280x768 doesn't seem like that many pixels for that much real estate. But still... yum. If anyone at pioneer wants to ship me a demo unit I promise to play quake on it and return it in a few years...
So, does PDP still stand for Pink & Dark Pink?
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whatever happened to your pages about heroines? i miss them.
If you weren't an AC I would give you $50 for that hilarious comment.
That line might have come straight out of Andrew Eldritch's (Sisters of Mercy's frontman) mouth.
Damn the preview button, I couldn't have made any tpyos
These have been around for a while. We bought ours about 2 weeks ago and i knew about them at least 1 month before that. This 50" is expensive. ours was only $14995. Go to http://www.globe-mart.com/audvid/tv/37plus/flat.ht m
I've seen a 50-inch screen go for "only" 8.5k$ at pricescan
:( so much for the ultimate quake experience.
the exact address for the item is here
couldn't find more information on it on sony's site though. but for almost 1/3 the price, it's probably a better pick even if it isn't flat.
another issue. did anyone ever ponder the sheer mass of these things? i just look at my computer desk now, and i wonder if it could stand the load.
also, quite a few desk models can't hold a 50" monitor in them.
but then again, if you spend 20k$ on a monitor, buying a table shouldn't be that much of an issue.
as for the resolution... it'll probably look real grainy
Oh wait! Unless I was programming in BASIC or Pascal! Then it would be =. Unless I really meant an assignment operator, and then (in Pascal) it would be more desktop space := more productivity. Or, if I were doing it in Intel assembly it would be...
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Doom is still my favorite..
Asking $20k for a fucking monitor is just. . . wrong.
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These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Not all that nifty. I worked with one back at RCA, 3 years ago. They are hardly new.
This is for some reason reminding me of a certain article on /. just a few weeks ago. Except I didn't need 20 grand for the other one.
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If you want to see what's new and coming for the next year, just head down to Vegas this November for Comdex. I went last year and no new hardwares in the news this year interests me. One disclaimer however - bring plenty of whack-rags if hardwares turn you on. ;) (and a fat checkbook too).
umm, *Fall*, **CRUSH
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Unfortunately there doesn't yet seem to be consensus on the a single digital interface standard, but there are only a few contenders, and I'm sure as soon as one of them wins, someone will sell converters for those of us that bought the others.
Sigh.
Nothing like hearing millionaires like CmdrTaco talking about how $20K is a lot to them. Do they think that by appearing to be poor/middle class more people will be able to relate to them? What a bunch of weenies.
My home setup consists of a surplus Gateway Destination monitor (33" diag.) that handles 800x600, hooked up to a Windows PC. I surf from the couch via a wireless keyboard, watch cable using an ATI card, and DVDs via a Creative drive and decoder. With the right interface and OS (Windows ain't it, frankly), this kind of combo is a family dream. I'll be cashing in some stock shortly to get one of these guys :) j.
Since the folks at slashdot don't have the Perl hacker skills to handle <'s and >'s correctly, I will repost.
Hemos...you suck.
Well come on dude. You made some cliched, tired comment in the vein of "oh no, technology is bad for us...see what < place equally cliched reference to pop SF novel > said was right"
Please, think for yourself for a change. You might actually enjoy it.
50 inches- you mean 125 centimetres, right?
Sometimes I just wish my ancestors had let Napoelon win...
Measuring Systems for Dummies: Chapter 1, Page 1: Whatever Base System you use for Counting, Use the Same One for Measuring, dagnamit!
Where I work I am fortunate enough to have access to one of these things. First of all, I should clarify, its an extra wide display, its not like a 50 inch monitor. Its maybe about 24 inches high or so and about 40 inches wide. (does that math work out somewhere close?)
Anyway, it still is really damn cool. Quake II was a little difficult to play because I wasn't used to how skewed everything was. I played with the FOV commands and it worked a little better. I haven't had a chance to try quake 3 yet because I don't have a 3d card in my box at work.
Anyway, these can actually be had for about $18000 if you look hard enough. Its only 10% less, but that extra $2000 can be put to good use on other toys.
My Slashdot account is old enough to drink...
video wall, eh? Seems like GTE Internetworking has been showing off their NOC for years...
If you have one of the Apple Cinema Displays,then I want to know how you got it.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
actually, "can't get no worse", but then Stokely Carmichael's famous "mind over matter" remark, "if you don't mind, it don't matter", has been PC'd to "if you don't mind, it doesn't matter" so why quibble.
He who controls the past controls the present - Eric Blair (aka George Orwell)
My Bio organic chemistry professor has a nifty projector which simply plugs into the monitor socket of his laptop. You can nicely project computer images on a screen. If you put the projector far enough away I'm sure you can make the image 50 ft wide, and I'm pretty sure it didn't cost $20k.
http://www.atsc.org for more information on the standard. Highest HDTV resolution is 1920x1080 (maximum at 60i fps- most likely will never be used, 30p fps, or 24p fps).
...phillips display above.
Remember this...no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn....(jim morrison)
Testing with DisplayMate software revealed a few defects, however. We observed some pixel jitter that could not be eliminated even after we tweaked the timing settings. The jitter showed up only on images with fine patterns. With an XGA signal, the image size and position had to be adjusted manually. And when the PDP-502MX displayed the 4:3 XGA resolution in its normal mode (not scaled to fill the screen), the aspect ratio was slightly off, making circles look like ovals.
how come hardware companies don't send you more free stuff? I'll bet a /. post generates at least a few sales.
/. would get loads of free stuff, especially beer.
if I ran a company
In the (humourously bad) movie version of Fahrenheit 451, the three TV walls had been replaced with a flat screen mounted on one wall. It would have been about the same size as this screen. Interestingly enough, at one point, Montag uses it as a light source to read by. Sometimes it seems as if that's all a TV would be good for today, too. :)
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(BTW, did MST3k ever do the F451 movie? It certainly deserves it.
Every plasma screen I've seen, at NAB, CES, SIGGRAPH and CEDIA, has limited color depth. The earliest ones, like the Phillips, looked like a bad GIF. The most recent ones, like the Sony and Panasonic, look like a decent GIF. Until the plasma cells and drivers are fast enough to display a true 24-bits, they won't be anything more than trade-show curiousities.
On the other hand, the Sony true flat CRT that was reported here many months ago should be able to have 24-bit quality, longer life than plasma, decent black levels and true crt brightness levels. Plasma is a dead end.
"How perfectly Goddamn delightful it all is, to be sure" Charles Crumb
I figured it was called 1984 because that was the year Winston thought it was...
We were at Fry's yesterday, and looking at TVs. The HDTV-format Wega vs. Panasonic was interesting. 2 feet away and the Sony looked...bad. But 4 feet away, and it was awesome. Of course, they have that 60" Mitsubishi projection HDTV set right near it, also... But still, I'd probably take a projector w/ line doubler first...
That's pretty nifty.
Does anyone know if the Apple flatscreen cinema display can be used with a PC? Better, does anyone know if it can be used with any of the popular X servers?
-awc
Ive got a flat screen monitor 40" wide
I believe yours says Etch-A-Sketch on the side
God Fucking Damnit
These aren't (that) new. I've seen ads for them (a month or two ago, can't remember the magazine).
In fact, in my Algorithms & Programming class ("Comp Sci for Comp Sci majors") they have 2 of these. It's quite a waste, for a room not that large, they have 2 front projection screens, 15" LCDs on every table (for a total of 12), and these 2 50" Pioneer LCDs.. and all they display is the MS PowerPoint presentation featuring the notes of the day. What a waste. (RPI, in Troy, NY if you're interested).
i dont display scores, and my threshhold is -1. post accordingly.
Discuss
Posiblities are endless...
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Imagine, You can play q3a on this with a brown paper bag on your lap. And guess what, you'd _Glow_ in the dark too!
Large screens such as this have only one use (in this moment in time). Wouldnt it be great to have a couple of this at the next and have it scroll source code (much like what mozilla did.. and how ID was watching their download servers).
Or maybe, it wold be better if they had a raffle and give a couple of these away. Or, someone rich could actually buy a couple of this and have some sort of a programming contest (maybe they have some software that needs to be written but no one really wants to write it?) and give the first place winner one of these babies.. the rest can have VA systems.
Oh, these wont hurt your eyes (I'm not a registered eye doc)
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I'll take 2 of them
Well, perhaps he would be frowing to see how true his predictions were.
I'm not passing judgment on these screens, but this sure is getting closer and closer to the video wall from "1984"
I definetly think the technology is cool, no doubt about that (a 50" game of Quake 3 anyone?) but it's mere existance seems to lend itself to paralleling "1984"
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Anyone out there give a bit more detail about the pixelation (long vertical rows of subpixels, 5 sides, etc.)? Curious as to how subpixels (and plasma displays in general) work, subpixel density and the like...
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The specs on Pioneer's page look good. The pixels are big, but the screen wasn't meant to be viewed up close.
Given that you can get a projector with comparable resolution, is there any point in spending $20k on one of these puppies? I'd rather spend five grand on a projector and blow the rest on jelly babies.
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You've got to admit it's getting better...getting better all the time.
Now lets cart it up to our shotgun-shack on stilts
and watch _Flipper_ with our ethnically diverse friends.
Can you imagine Q3 or Unreal on one of these bad boys? Add surround sound and.... and...
*Drool*
I currently have a setup with 3 21" monitors hooked up to the same computer. One is more than enough for my eye to focus on, trying to look at more space than that I have to turn my head. I think a 50" monitor would be a waste for desktop purposes, especially since the resolution is so low.
It would be nice to put one your ceiling and be able to surf or watch TV while laying in bed. But for that kind of money I think a projector would work just as well.
-- Virtual Windows Project
"Oh no, someone came out with a big TV screen! We're all doomed to life under an evil tyranny!"
Wall screens aren't a necessary, much less sufficient, requirement for Big Brother.
Big TV screens existed in SF before 1984 was published. Bad-ass totalitarian governments have and do exist without wall screens, much less two-way wall screens.
Of far more importance is who controls what is (and isn't) on the screens.
this would be a great monitor for people who have 20k to spend on their ultimate quake machines, but for businesses who would use this sort of thing ie. design and large format printing, 1024x768 just wont cut it. I feel that a high resolution should have been #1 when designing this screen. At least 1600x1200. Come on guys. My 15" Multisync can do 1024x768.
I've invested in this new technology - it's a one way, multimedia stream of information, absolutely amazing. I got a huge monitor, it's incredibly simple to setup (just plug it in and you're running) and cheap - 500 UKP only for a 40" monitor! It's called "television", and it's going to be the next big thing!
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You could just buy an Electrohome Marquee series digital projector. My friend has one he got for free. Sure, it's a bit bulky (about 4'x2'x3', 150 lbs) but it will project a 20' image easily. 1600x1200 and super bright.
These are the projectors they use in the lecture halls here at CMU.
As a previous poster stated, it's mainly a TV, and even as a monitor is intended for viewing from far away by a group of people, as in a company meeting or product demo.
My employer is using it as a TV, and it does have a great picture when seen far away. The only drawback I've noticed so far is that bright blues are *painfully* bright...like when accessing the options menu.
I haven't seen how it works under HDTV though, or even if it does without special converters.
It's not ment to replace your 16 monitors, it's ment to be used as a TV or for presentations.
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brightness. Size. uniform screen lighting. For the size, can you make an LCD active-matrix panel? No? OK.
Why don't I just get a 15" monitor capable of 1280x768 and sit really really close to it? ;D
Information About Dot Pitch
.28 dp monitor?
http://www.csf.org.uk/csf/dot-pitch/ dotpit.htm
Monitor Specs
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ home/pdphd.htm
The page says the pixel (or dot) pitch is:
0.858 x 0.808 mm
So the pixels are what, three times bigger than a normal
I saw one of these working in a TV store, it's stunning! £12K is a lot though for a TV screen.
I hate when a company does a shoddy job for a webpage. They hardcode the background to be white, but dont force the font to be black...
My defaults for browsing are always reverse as I love dark and try to use it whenever possible. (it also might be because the my monitor sucks and blurs colors too much).
Anywhoo... Their webpage then becomes white backgroudn with white fonts... yay...
All HTML coders should do default settings different than what the desired page is supposed to have, so that they would be sure that it looks on everyone's screen the same. Not just on theirs.
Also it would be good to try out with ie4,ie5,mozzila,netscape4 and netscape3 to see if it looks good enough everywhere...
these screens were on the nvidia stands at CGDC months and months ago, q3 etc on them. they`re real nice. expensive though.
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Chuck
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they work pretty well with a linux x-server.
Remember this...no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn....(jim morrison)
...the lab! kinda kool!
Remember this...no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn....(jim morrison)
Check out Homage to Catalonia for some kicking descriptions of what it was like to fight on the losing side in the Spanish Civil War, including the sensation of being shot in the neck. Good stuff.
As some suggested here, enveloping wall screens are more Farenheit 451 than 1984. Bradbury, who gets dismissed as a poetic loafer by many these days, really hit the nail on head with his description of a populace utterly absorbed in shallow, commercially driven tube culture.
Interestingly, the book burning in the novel is instigated not as a tool of oppression, but due to something very much like political correctness. Books are full of ideas, and ideas can be upsetting to minorities and the religiously inclined and people afraid For The Children. (Bradbury also went after goody two-shoes censors in one of the component stories in The Martian Chronicles.)
Not enough resolution for HDTV, so what's the point? I'll take a quality front projector and screen over it any day.
Even at this resolution, it's nearing the point where it will exceed visual acuity when hung on a wall. As the resolution improves, we can bring them closer. When the image becomes good enough to become indistinguishable from a picture window at a distance of a meter or so, and they get cheap enough, I'll want to set up three of them in my office in such a way that they simulate a bay window looking out on any of several scenes.
So, Rob's still begging for hardware I see... seems like with the money he made from Slashdot he could just go out and buy one of these with his pocket change...
Wow, I though plasma diplays disappeared years ago.
So, exactly what are the advantages of plasma displays over what the current LCD technology can offer? It seems higher resolution isn't one of them...
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You'd be just as well off with backlit high resolution photographs. Whenever you move your head, you'll notice that the scene doesn't shift as it should, and the illusion will be lost.
Unless you mount a position sensor to your head that gets the display to dynamically update its image depending on where you're looking from, stick with posters.
http://electronics.killerapp.com/cgi/crunch/pdetai l.asp?ptable=Television_Sets&PID=1001387 I hate it when people get tricky just to get you to come visit their page... hrmph.
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It's intended to be a 50" TV Screen, not a PC display. And 1024x768 is a huge improvement for TV resolution. It's amazing how people will look at HDTV or a DVD and rave about how "breathtaking" the image quality is, then sit down and _nag_ about how Quake/Unreal only runs at 1024x768 and why not at 1600x1200 or whatever.
search pricewatch.com for the Sony KLW9000. Its a 16x9 50inch SVGA monitor. All for about 2k. Cant be beat!!!
To anyone out there who may have seen one of these monitors for real; are they big and clear enough to place in the middle of a wall and surf from the coach with the rest of the family, kind of like a TV?
Or might the rez need to be changed to 800 x 600 to be able to read it from about 10-15 feet away, like a TV?
The idea of finally making web-surfing big enough for traditional family-room viewing by multiple people is very appealing.
Think about it: 1500x1000 pixels. 25fps. A HD board might cost a few $hundred and a HD cam costs $75,000 but that's real geekware.