Over 3 MILLION people have access to this private network.
It's not some large, flat, wide-open network. Just like the Internet, there are tiers, firewalls, vpns, etc.. So there were restrictions in place to ensure confidentiality, but someone violated the trust that was given to them.
Users are the biggest problem, just like on any other network. How do you stop someone who decides to "go rogue"?
The other "problem" that contributed to this is everyone wanting to share data and use common databases after 9/11. You can bet this leak will stop that kind of coordination and force everyone back into their own stovepiped networks from now on. Yay!
They're private messages between government officials. That's why they're sending these on a classified network. It's reasonable to expect a level of privacy from the general public.
So because you failed to manage things as a parent, he shouldn't even try? Kick their asses out of the house if it's that important to you or just let them enjoy what they're doing.
Sure, that's always a good idea, but let's be realistic here. A kid under 10 that starts off with PBS Kids or Sprout or Cartoon Network as their start page is not going to end up anywhere bad. They can't accidentally end up on chatroulette from one of those sites. They're not typing "free porn" into the search box.
I keep an eye on my kids (3, 7 and 10) and the worse the end up on are some stupid YouTube Charlie the unicorn videos with some language.
I've got a Dell Mini 10 at 1024x600 and the kids play flash games on it all the time. I've heard them say that things are faster on my other regular IBM laptop, but they play on regardless.:) At times, the two boys get on each computer and go on Club Penguin together to battle or whatever.
Exactly what I was going to say. I've got kids 3 - 10 and they play on flash based sites 90% of the time. Noggin, Nick JR, Spout, PBS Kids for the younger one, Club Penguin, Cartoon Network and whatever else they find for the older ones.
I chose a bunch of games Linux offers and added them to a dock program for the other 10%. My netbook has that Dell interface that makes it easy for the 3 year old to choose games, too. She likes the penguin racer game a lot.
I don't worry about a filter, either. The 3 year old isn't going to accidentally end up on chatroulette when she starts on one of the above sites. They're all supervised and only use the computers in public areas of the house. When the oldest gets curious, well, boobies aren't going to kill him.
I understand what you're saying, but this is just another data point. This isn't "US Intelligence", it's Ambassador Bob saying Mr. Chu said "blah, blah, blah". Be careful how much weight you assign to individual data points.
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THE GOVERNMENT KEEP THE NAMES OF CIVILIAN INFORMANTS CONFIDENTIAL?!
It was confidential, dumb ass. It was on a private network. Do you speak in "code" when privately talking with your friends about things that you'd like to keep private? If you have a reasonable expectation if privacy, you don't.
Please point out to us all of the documents that have good, juicy information in them, please. We promise not to tell anyone, because, you know, keeping secrets is what we do.
Love,
Wikileaks
Seriously. If I steal all of your emails and then ask you to point out which ones you _really_ don't want released, are you going to answer? JA knows exactly what the response is going to be and is doing nothing but playing the game.
lol... so it's okay for you to reference "potential" war crimes and expect to be taken seriously, but the reference to "potential" loss of lives, threats, etc. is not to be believed?
Because there is an expectation of privacy, even when everything involved is legal. Something can be embarrassing and legal. Do you want every email of yours released, even though there's nothing illegal in them?
As with all of these releases, WIkiLeaks should have released the specific documents that show corruption, injustice, war crimes, etc.. They're looking like nothing more than a gossip rag at this point.
US diplomatic reports of corruption and other shenanigans in practically every country where the USA has an embassy
Which cables show that? Provide links. Why weren't those cables released specifically instead of the whole gossip pile?
Most of these appear to just be private conversations and info, not anything illegal. You expect a level of privacy in conversations or emails between you and your friend, even though you're not planning anything illegal, right?
prohibition can sometimes validly be said to encourage the behaviour it's trying to discourage
Now, I'll agree with you 100% there. DNS blocking is a futile effort in the long run, but what else are you going to do when the rest of the operation is outside of the US?
Yep. This is pure gossip. Interesting to listen or read through, for sure, but what good is coming out of it?
It's like finding your boss's computer unlocked and sifting through his emails. Interesting stuff to be found, for sure, but releasing it isn't whistle blowing.
Where is the dirty conduct? I've seen the cables asking to "gather info" on UN officials. That one certainly gets the boots dirty, at least. What else?
Have you read any of the cables? Theats to CT operations and US relations are pretty realistic. Here's Country B telling the US exactly what it'd like to have done to Country X. Not illegal, but a certain level of privacy was expected in those frank conversations. All this will do is lead to less or more hidden conversations.
Lives at risk is always a stretch until the first guy dies. One of those all or nothing things.
You make the (wrong) assumption that it's hidden because it's wrong. I don't want every email between my friend and I released to the public and it's not because I did something wrong. It's because they are private, frank discussions between my friend and I. Maybe I admit I peed to bed until I was 21. Or I thought about cheating on my wife. Nothing illegal, but I still expect a level of privacy. This is what we're encountering here, for the parts that I've read, at least.
If you can find evidence of illegal activities in the documents, then I'll support the prosecution of those involved.
Show me the war crimes in these leaked documents. Show me where the US "fucked up" in the documents, also.
The few I read do look pretty sensitive to relations. UAE SOF and drones operating "quietly" in support of OEF. UAE pulling support could certainly be seen as threatening CT operations. Lives at risk is a stretch, but it's one of those things that's never proven right until the first guy dies.
You are (part of) what's wrong with this country. You think because something is "shit" or costs to much, it's okay to steal it (liberal definition of steal here). You have every right to not pay for something or just not watch it/use it, but there's no way you can swing this into some right or excuse to break the law.
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I bet you thought your English class was the worstest, huh? At least your percentage numbers added to 100, so you paid attention in math!
It's not some large, flat, wide-open network. Just like the Internet, there are tiers, firewalls, vpns, etc.. So there were restrictions in place to ensure confidentiality, but someone violated the trust that was given to them.
Users are the biggest problem, just like on any other network. How do you stop someone who decides to "go rogue"?
The other "problem" that contributed to this is everyone wanting to share data and use common databases after 9/11. You can bet this leak will stop that kind of coordination and force everyone back into their own stovepiped networks from now on. Yay!
They're private messages between government officials. That's why they're sending these on a classified network. It's reasonable to expect a level of privacy from the general public.
So because you failed to manage things as a parent, he shouldn't even try? Kick their asses out of the house if it's that important to you or just let them enjoy what they're doing.
Crayons? Now that's stupid. Do you know how hard it is to get crayon off the computer screen?
Sure, that's always a good idea, but let's be realistic here. A kid under 10 that starts off with PBS Kids or Sprout or Cartoon Network as their start page is not going to end up anywhere bad. They can't accidentally end up on chatroulette from one of those sites. They're not typing "free porn" into the search box.
I keep an eye on my kids (3, 7 and 10) and the worse the end up on are some stupid YouTube Charlie the unicorn videos with some language.
I've got a Dell Mini 10 at 1024x600 and the kids play flash games on it all the time. I've heard them say that things are faster on my other regular IBM laptop, but they play on regardless. :) At times, the two boys get on each computer and go on Club Penguin together to battle or whatever.
Exactly what I was going to say. I've got kids 3 - 10 and they play on flash based sites 90% of the time. Noggin, Nick JR, Spout, PBS Kids for the younger one, Club Penguin, Cartoon Network and whatever else they find for the older ones.
I chose a bunch of games Linux offers and added them to a dock program for the other 10%. My netbook has that Dell interface that makes it easy for the 3 year old to choose games, too. She likes the penguin racer game a lot.
I don't worry about a filter, either. The 3 year old isn't going to accidentally end up on chatroulette when she starts on one of the above sites. They're all supervised and only use the computers in public areas of the house. When the oldest gets curious, well, boobies aren't going to kill him.
I understand what you're saying, but this is just another data point. This isn't "US Intelligence", it's Ambassador Bob saying Mr. Chu said "blah, blah, blah". Be careful how much weight you assign to individual data points.
And you take a single email (cable) referencing hearsay as "solid proof"?
It was confidential, dumb ass. It was on a private network. Do you speak in "code" when privately talking with your friends about things that you'd like to keep private? If you have a reasonable expectation if privacy, you don't.
Dear US,
Please point out to us all of the documents that have good, juicy information in them, please. We promise not to tell anyone, because, you know, keeping secrets is what we do.
Love,
Wikileaks
Seriously. If I steal all of your emails and then ask you to point out which ones you _really_ don't want released, are you going to answer? JA knows exactly what the response is going to be and is doing nothing but playing the game.
Then release those specific cables the point to wrongdoing. Why release everything like a gossip rag?
lol... so it's okay for you to reference "potential" war crimes and expect to be taken seriously, but the reference to "potential" loss of lives, threats, etc. is not to be believed?
Because there is an expectation of privacy, even when everything involved is legal. Something can be embarrassing and legal. Do you want every email of yours released, even though there's nothing illegal in them?
As with all of these releases, WIkiLeaks should have released the specific documents that show corruption, injustice, war crimes, etc.. They're looking like nothing more than a gossip rag at this point.
Which cables show that? Provide links. Why weren't those cables released specifically instead of the whole gossip pile?
Most of these appear to just be private conversations and info, not anything illegal. You expect a level of privacy in conversations or emails between you and your friend, even though you're not planning anything illegal, right?
Now, I'll agree with you 100% there. DNS blocking is a futile effort in the long run, but what else are you going to do when the rest of the operation is outside of the US?
Yep. This is pure gossip. Interesting to listen or read through, for sure, but what good is coming out of it?
It's like finding your boss's computer unlocked and sifting through his emails. Interesting stuff to be found, for sure, but releasing it isn't whistle blowing.
Where is the dirty conduct? I've seen the cables asking to "gather info" on UN officials. That one certainly gets the boots dirty, at least. What else?
Have you read any of the cables? Theats to CT operations and US relations are pretty realistic. Here's Country B telling the US exactly what it'd like to have done to Country X. Not illegal, but a certain level of privacy was expected in those frank conversations. All this will do is lead to less or more hidden conversations.
Lives at risk is always a stretch until the first guy dies. One of those all or nothing things.
You make the (wrong) assumption that it's hidden because it's wrong. I don't want every email between my friend and I released to the public and it's not because I did something wrong. It's because they are private, frank discussions between my friend and I. Maybe I admit I peed to bed until I was 21. Or I thought about cheating on my wife. Nothing illegal, but I still expect a level of privacy. This is what we're encountering here, for the parts that I've read, at least.
If you can find evidence of illegal activities in the documents, then I'll support the prosecution of those involved.
Show me the war crimes in these leaked documents. Show me where the US "fucked up" in the documents, also.
The few I read do look pretty sensitive to relations. UAE SOF and drones operating "quietly" in support of OEF. UAE pulling support could certainly be seen as threatening CT operations. Lives at risk is a stretch, but it's one of those things that's never proven right until the first guy dies.
One is an action to help people break the law and the other is an action to stop people from breaking the law. There's no hypocrisy here.
There may well be some irony because we're talking about things that aren't physical "swapping hands".
The Cyber Crimes Section of the Cyber Crimes Center of ICE has investigative responsibilities for "theft of intellectual property".
http://www.ice.gov/cyber-crimes/
So I probably didn't word it right, but you get the idea. Section of a section of a department of DHS, not the entire organization.
You are (part of) what's wrong with this country. You think because something is "shit" or costs to much, it's okay to steal it (liberal definition of steal here). You have every right to not pay for something or just not watch it/use it, but there's no way you can swing this into some right or excuse to break the law.