Most Slashdot users are technical people. We find having an ssh client/server on the phone to be enormously useful. We like having access to the BSD underpinnings of the machine. We like being able to use AIM without going through a slow website. We like being able to stream music from our iPhones to computers at the houses that we're at with Firefly Media Server. We even like having MobileScrobbler around.
And no, Apple's apps are not more refined than all the stuff on Installer. MobileScrobbler, Sketches, and MobileChat are examples of how you're wrong, especially when you compare them to something like MobileMail.app which STILL cannot delete multiple emails at once or switch between accounts in any kind of convenient way.
The jailbreakers have, in fact, shown Apple up at every turn.
The lack of freedom in the Apple SDK is quite clear. "No background applications" kills off entire categories of useful software.
I'm just waiting for Dan Eran to come in and explain to all of us how being forcibly restricted in software on hardware we paid for is really beneficial to us, we just don't know it.
If Apple officially allowed the existence of jailbreak, with the caveat that you would lose all software support outside of "restore the iPhone to its original software load," none of this would be an issue.
Someone eventually mods you down where you belong for this.
I am a graduate student in computer engineering and can testify to the fact that hardly anyone in engineering actually knows how to bloody communicate. There are entire treatises written by some of the few literate professors in my department about how literacy among engineers has suffered horribly in favor of the ability to do complicated math, where in fact both are required in equal measure -- the ability to solve the problem, and the ability to explain how you solved the problem with some kind of clarity. Why? Because it is necessary that the solution be a) repeatable and b) able to be used to build other solutions.
Are you understanding yet why our textbooks might be lacking a bit?
You don't actually know what's good for you. You don't know what you need. You don't even really know what you want. You're also not capable of protecting yourself from malware threats.
Don't worry, though. Steve will make sure you don't hurt yourself.
The iPhone is a better computing device than it has ever been a phone. It has bad-to-mediocre voice quality. Anything that can BE a general purpose computer IS, in effect, a general purpose computer.
Parent was obviously an anecdotal discussion of computing environments and what worked for him. It was on-topic, interesting and mildly amusing.
In short, wtf?
For the record, I've also started running Linux as my primary desktop OS. I have a Linux desktop, Linux server, and Mac laptop that also runs Vista. I get all my work done just fine.
Apps that run in the background, ignoring calls to quit by the OS memory manager? There's a stability problem just waiting to happen.
My iPhone has been running several applications in the background -- the RSS updater, MobileScrobbler, sshd, an ftp server, afpd, Samba -- for quite a while with absolutely no stability problems whatsoever. Plenty of others' have as well. Stop buying the Apple company line on everything.
"Now there will be an official SDK and even better apps"
This is not at all clear. Entire classes of applications will be wiped out. Did you like MobileScrobbler? Too bad, you can't have it anymore because no daemon software is allowed.
I don't call 128kbps or 50kbps "mobile broadband." This means that your $60/mo service is only "good" in cities.
Really what my point was is that we are not going to get to the point where we can forget about wireless access points, which enable local-area connections right now in the range of 130Mbps with 802.11n, for many, many years.
If I were to use a Bluetooth DUN tether through my phone I could get this service for even less
As far as I know, you can't do this without violating Sprint's TOS. Not that I *agree* with them, but it does expose you to potentially huge fees if they "catch" you.
If you pay $99 for your dev certificate, there might be several holes you can use to get your own application onto the device, including "forbidden" apps like daemons, browsers, etc.
I don't feel any better about Android, which runs everything in Java VMs, or OpenMoko, which will never get off the ground, than I do about this, but I think jailbroken OS X is still the best mobile platform for geeks. Which is sad.
"They just don't realize it yet." Uh huh. They OBJECTIVELY have the best standards of care in the world and have had their programs going for decades. When are they going to "realize" it?
"230+ years of watching government fuck up everything it touches." You're absurd. Government has fucked up the military? It's fucked up the road system? Boy, I sure hate driving on that Eisenhower Interstate system, don't you? Government fucks up the sewers and sanitation? Please pull your archlibertarian head out of your ass and think.
Why are we allowing HMOs and insurance companies to make healthcare choices? Why are we allowing them to make LIFE OR DEATH DECISIONS based on the fucking profit motive? We don't do it in this country with ANYTHING ELSE life-or-death -- JUST health care because so many politicians' best buddies happen to be health care execs.
"And why, oh WHY, would you allow your government ANY hand in your healthcare choices? Doesn't it worry you that such a system can be used to punish malcontents?" No one is going to allow that. Social Security isn't used to "punish malcontents."
Here is my favorite part of your ridiculous libertarian rant: "And how come the privacy wonks famously disappear when nationalized healthcare is discussed? Doesn't it bother you that your private health information can be used for more than treatment choices?" LULZ. You honetly think this isn't happening RIGHT NOW? Why do you think the (ineffective) HIPAA was passed? Because EXACTLY this is already happening. At least with national health care some kind of democratically-driven transparency can be enforced.
No, not 'nuff said. What does Hillary actually know about health care? What did she know about it as first lady? She didn't get it done in New York over the span of 8 years.
Maybe Hillary is just BAD at health care. That doesn't mean everyone is.
No one should be able to sell it. I doubt many people CAN sell it nowadays when anyone can get it for free on $P2P_SERVICE.
So are you seriously proposing some kind of altruism on the part of the child pornographer? "Gee, so many people want to see this, I should make it and then distribute it for free!"
Come on.
Seems to me you don't like those who have an opposing view to have an opinion or think contrary thoughts to yourself. Welcome to your own little world of "thought-crime".
the harm is on the head of the person who "surfaced" the video or images. We already have laws to deal with people who expose private information against the will of the party whose information it is.
I'm afraid it's *your* argument that holds no water.
Not if they don't *buy* it. If they get it from P2P, if you believe the RIAA and MPAA, the "consumer" is actually "hurting" the pornographer by depriving him of theoretical revenue.
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Most Slashdot users are technical people. We find having an ssh client/server on the phone to be enormously useful. We like having access to the BSD underpinnings of the machine. We like being able to use AIM without going through a slow website. We like being able to stream music from our iPhones to computers at the houses that we're at with Firefly Media Server. We even like having MobileScrobbler around.
And no, Apple's apps are not more refined than all the stuff on Installer. MobileScrobbler, Sketches, and MobileChat are examples of how you're wrong, especially when you compare them to something like MobileMail.app which STILL cannot delete multiple emails at once or switch between accounts in any kind of convenient way.
The jailbreakers have, in fact, shown Apple up at every turn.
The lack of freedom in the Apple SDK is quite clear. "No background applications" kills off entire categories of useful software.
I'm just waiting for Dan Eran to come in and explain to all of us how being forcibly restricted in software on hardware we paid for is really beneficial to us, we just don't know it.
If Apple officially allowed the existence of jailbreak, with the caveat that you would lose all software support outside of "restore the iPhone to its original software load," none of this would be an issue.
Someone eventually mods you down where you belong for this.
I am a graduate student in computer engineering and can testify to the fact that hardly anyone in engineering actually knows how to bloody communicate. There are entire treatises written by some of the few literate professors in my department about how literacy among engineers has suffered horribly in favor of the ability to do complicated math, where in fact both are required in equal measure -- the ability to solve the problem, and the ability to explain how you solved the problem with some kind of clarity. Why? Because it is necessary that the solution be a) repeatable and b) able to be used to build other solutions.
Are you understanding yet why our textbooks might be lacking a bit?
The devil you say!
Really? Are you THAT stupid?
They COULD just secure the baseband better and let people do whatever they wanted to with the OS.
You don't actually know what's good for you. You don't know what you need. You don't even really know what you want. You're also not capable of protecting yourself from malware threats.
Don't worry, though. Steve will make sure you don't hurt yourself.
The iPhone is a better computing device than it has ever been a phone. It has bad-to-mediocre voice quality. Anything that can BE a general purpose computer IS, in effect, a general purpose computer.
Parent was obviously an anecdotal discussion of computing environments and what worked for him. It was on-topic, interesting and mildly amusing.
In short, wtf?
For the record, I've also started running Linux as my primary desktop OS. I have a Linux desktop, Linux server, and Mac laptop that also runs Vista. I get all my work done just fine.
agreed. I have been a happy Apple user for 3 years now, and I can say unequivocally that you have a perfect grasp of the situation.
The arguments against boil down to "ethics out of economics," which, IMHO, is wholly bullshit.
Apps that run in the background, ignoring calls to quit by the OS memory manager? There's a stability problem just waiting to happen.
My iPhone has been running several applications in the background -- the RSS updater, MobileScrobbler, sshd, an ftp server, afpd, Samba -- for quite a while with absolutely no stability problems whatsoever. Plenty of others' have as well. Stop buying the Apple company line on everything.
"Now there will be an official SDK and even better apps"
This is not at all clear. Entire classes of applications will be wiped out. Did you like MobileScrobbler? Too bad, you can't have it anymore because no daemon software is allowed.
I don't call 128kbps or 50kbps "mobile broadband." This means that your $60/mo service is only "good" in cities.
Really what my point was is that we are not going to get to the point where we can forget about wireless access points, which enable local-area connections right now in the range of 130Mbps with 802.11n, for many, many years.
As far as I know, you can't do this without violating Sprint's TOS. Not that I *agree* with them, but it does expose you to potentially huge fees if they "catch" you.
If you pay $99 for your dev certificate, there might be several holes you can use to get your own application onto the device, including "forbidden" apps like daemons, browsers, etc.
I don't feel any better about Android, which runs everything in Java VMs, or OpenMoko, which will never get off the ground, than I do about this, but I think jailbroken OS X is still the best mobile platform for geeks. Which is sad.
This is absurd. "Swift end," my ass. When mobile broadband is $40/mo all over the country, get back to me. I expect that'll be in about 20 years.
but I heard it wasn't compatible with Windows or labtops.
:) I want to download the internet onto my labtop.
Can you help? Sorry, I am not good with computers.
... but there really is no excuse for bad hygiene.
In fact, most of us can't. Congratulations on being independently wealthy. We are not all so lucky.
"They just don't realize it yet." Uh huh. They OBJECTIVELY have the best standards of care in the world and have had their programs going for decades. When are they going to "realize" it?
"230+ years of watching government fuck up everything it touches." You're absurd. Government has fucked up the military? It's fucked up the road system? Boy, I sure hate driving on that Eisenhower Interstate system, don't you? Government fucks up the sewers and sanitation? Please pull your archlibertarian head out of your ass and think.
Why are we allowing HMOs and insurance companies to make healthcare choices? Why are we allowing them to make LIFE OR DEATH DECISIONS based on the fucking profit motive? We don't do it in this country with ANYTHING ELSE life-or-death -- JUST health care because so many politicians' best buddies happen to be health care execs.
"And why, oh WHY, would you allow your government ANY hand in your healthcare choices? Doesn't it worry you that such a system can be used to punish malcontents?" No one is going to allow that. Social Security isn't used to "punish malcontents."
Here is my favorite part of your ridiculous libertarian rant: "And how come the privacy wonks famously disappear when nationalized healthcare is discussed? Doesn't it bother you that your private health information can be used for more than treatment choices?" LULZ. You honetly think this isn't happening RIGHT NOW? Why do you think the (ineffective) HIPAA was passed? Because EXACTLY this is already happening. At least with national health care some kind of democratically-driven transparency can be enforced.
No, not 'nuff said. What does Hillary actually know about health care? What did she know about it as first lady? She didn't get it done in New York over the span of 8 years.
Maybe Hillary is just BAD at health care. That doesn't mean everyone is.
So are you seriously proposing some kind of altruism on the part of the child pornographer? "Gee, so many people want to see this, I should make it and then distribute it for free!"
Come on.
Seems to me this came out of freaking nowhere.
the harm is on the head of the person who "surfaced" the video or images. We already have laws to deal with people who expose private information against the will of the party whose information it is.
I'm afraid it's *your* argument that holds no water.
Not if they don't *buy* it. If they get it from P2P, if you believe the RIAA and MPAA, the "consumer" is actually "hurting" the pornographer by depriving him of theoretical revenue.
:)
Which I, for one, find utterly hilarious.
Why not only make it illegal to *buy* child porn?
What makes you think we can't do it as well as or better than they do?