It should not be about that. If someone cannot be rehabilitated. If they must forever be confined for our societies safety, they should be killed on compassionate grounds. Requiring someone to be punished in perpetuity like some sort of hell on earth is barbaric.
“We live in a primitive time—don’t we, Will?—neither savage nor wise. Half measures are the curse of it. Any rational society would either kill me or give me my books.”
Congratulations on deconstructing your own argument with that quote. Self evidently the answer was to give him his books.
About the only time I would think that it is justified is when you have someone whom you cannot safely imprison e.g. the IRA terrorists in the 1980/90s who used their contacts with the terror organization to threaten guards' families unless they got special treatment while in prison: something which almost lead to their escape.
Terrorists are the last people you want to be executing. It just encourages them to have martyrs and potentially helps to justify their own violence in the eyes of the world.
I'd say that doing things like raping someone to death is pretty awful. Doing it more than once, and promising to keep doing it is pretty despicable. Showing zero remorse for doing it is despicable. Telling the brothers, mothers, and children of the raped-to-death woman, "Hey, thanks for helping to buy my meals every day!" is pretty awful. Telling them how much he enjoys spending part of every day thinking about the act of killing their family member - pretty awful, right? Ending that person's ability to keep doing so is definitely punishment.
Well, I'm all self taught on those things; though I do have a fair bit of experience.
So you're not legit. I should have figured.
Come back when you have a music degree and have played with an orchestra, junior.
Pah, you come back when you're a Professor of Music (and not at some shitty college in Wherethefuckistan) AND you've conducted an orchestra AND you've written at least one country's national anthem AND I can hum at least one of your tunes from the title AND you have been at number one in the classical music charts for at least four consecutive weeks AND you have been listed in the Top Ten Musicians of All Time AND you've been dead for at least a hundred years.
Unless human brains have some magical powers (like a soul blessed by God), there is no logical reason that machines shouldn't eventually be smarter than humans.
Once you can build a (physical or digital) model that explains why Mozart or Einstein's brains worked as they did compared with the average human being, I'll take comments like this seriously.
My guess is that we will get there in a couple decades
Indeed, like controlled nuclear fusion producing unlimited free energy, True AI is always twenty years off.
I have to agree with hodet's point as well. I'm pretty surprised at the negativity of some of the Slashdot crowd regarding this story.
And the headline is accurate. They could have maybe added "replica" there to make it less click-baitish, but it IS a working transmission for his 3D printed, replica Toyota 22RE engine. The video shows it working exactly like a transmission should. Perhaps we have differing interpretations of the word "working"?
Still, the headline is the fault of the website, not the creator. He has done nothing wrong. On the contrary, what he has done is really cool.
Oh, bollocks. The article clearly implies that it's an actual, working replacement for a real transmission, although it immediately prompts the question of how a plastic gearbox could possibly work.
No one's blaming the creator of the model, as long as he isn't also the submitter.
There's nothing wrong with correctly directed negativity. If someone posted an article extolling the virtues of a neo-Nazi death cult I'm sure you'd have at least a few people complaining.
It's easy to dismiss the idea of intellectual property when you're a rich slave owner with plenty of physical property to rely on for your comfort, rather different if you're a poor writer or artist trying to earn some money from your vocation.
What I find even more impressive than the awesome Four Chords is Rob Paravonian's Pachabel Rant, which shows how those same four chords show up in everything from classical music to punk rock over a span of hundreds of years.
When people say things like this I am reminded of the old "there are only six different stories in the world" idea that gets regularly brought up in discussions of films or books. This sort of structuralist reductionism tells you almost nothing about the actual works involved.
As proof, look at any song that has ever had a cover version, or any film that has been re-made. They can be wildly different, however much the basic structure is the same.
Horses for courses, but I really liked Raising Steam. The books since about 2009 when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's have increasingly dark underlying themes, but I don't see any evidence that Snuff and I Shall Wear Midnight are "ghost written" or even inferior.
Not OP but if he chose to take his own life cuz he was not happy with it. I may find life just as sucky but im still truckin and paying taxes. So sure as fuck I can judge him. no one knows why we are here anyways, how about anything for that matter not just us. if someone is free to take their own life, someone ought be just as free to make whatever judgement they want.
If not a simple troll, this is one of the most breathtakingly stupid and crass things I have ever read on slashdot, and you didn't even mentiion Ayn Rand.
That's pretty churlish. The most recent Discworld novels I read (Snuff and Raising Steam) were as good as the earlier ones, albeit more sombre in over all tone.
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flaimbait for stating timothy mcveigh deserved it.... wow slashdot.... wow
You're surprised that someone who hated the government and used violence against it has a lot of sympathy on slashdot?
It should not be about that. If someone cannot be rehabilitated. If they must forever be confined for our societies safety, they should be killed on compassionate grounds. Requiring someone to be punished in perpetuity like some sort of hell on earth is barbaric. “We live in a primitive time—don’t we, Will?—neither savage nor wise. Half measures are the curse of it. Any rational society would either kill me or give me my books.”
Congratulations on deconstructing your own argument with that quote. Self evidently the answer was to give him his books.
Case in point: A man was released from prison early to make room.
Aaaand... I call bullshit.
But even if it's a True Story, it would just show the idiocy of placing money-saving above justice (or common sense).
Most opponents of the death penalty do not propose letting homicidal maniacs loose after a couple of weeks of pampering at a spa retreat, you know.
About the only time I would think that it is justified is when you have someone whom you cannot safely imprison e.g. the IRA terrorists in the 1980/90s who used their contacts with the terror organization to threaten guards' families unless they got special treatment while in prison: something which almost lead to their escape.
Terrorists are the last people you want to be executing. It just encourages them to have martyrs and potentially helps to justify their own violence in the eyes of the world.
I'd say that doing things like raping someone to death is pretty awful. Doing it more than once, and promising to keep doing it is pretty despicable. Showing zero remorse for doing it is despicable. Telling the brothers, mothers, and children of the raped-to-death woman, "Hey, thanks for helping to buy my meals every day!" is pretty awful. Telling them how much he enjoys spending part of every day thinking about the act of killing their family member - pretty awful, right? Ending that person's ability to keep doing so is definitely punishment.
Cool, so two wrongs do make a right then?
Anyone that uses the term poseur is a poseur.
Only if they're speaking English and say it with a French accent.
Et maintenant, revenons a nos moutons.
Well, I'm all self taught on those things; though I do have a fair bit of experience.
So you're not legit. I should have figured.
Come back when you have a music degree and have played with an orchestra, junior.
Pah, you come back when you're a Professor of Music (and not at some shitty college in Wherethefuckistan) AND you've conducted an orchestra AND you've written at least one country's national anthem AND I can hum at least one of your tunes from the title AND you have been at number one in the classical music charts for at least four consecutive weeks AND you have been listed in the Top Ten Musicians of All Time AND you've been dead for at least a hundred years.
Then we'll talk, amateur.
Unless human brains have some magical powers (like a soul blessed by God), there is no logical reason that machines shouldn't eventually be smarter than humans.
Once you can build a (physical or digital) model that explains why Mozart or Einstein's brains worked as they did compared with the average human being, I'll take comments like this seriously.
My guess is that we will get there in a couple decades
Indeed, like controlled nuclear fusion producing unlimited free energy, True AI is always twenty years off.
Hell, human consciousness may well just be complex automation of macro-scale behavior programmed by DNA, so what's your point?
It may be a symphonic poem conducted by the God Pan dreaming, but until you have some evidence for it, it's equally meaningless.
somehow my foreskin slipped off
I'm not sure what you mean, but it almost certainly isn't that.
I don't want another man's dick on me, in me, or near me.
The boy doth protest too much methinks.
I have to agree with hodet's point as well. I'm pretty surprised at the negativity of some of the Slashdot crowd regarding this story.
And the headline is accurate. They could have maybe added "replica" there to make it less click-baitish, but it IS a working transmission for his 3D printed, replica Toyota 22RE engine. The video shows it working exactly like a transmission should. Perhaps we have differing interpretations of the word "working"?
Still, the headline is the fault of the website, not the creator. He has done nothing wrong. On the contrary, what he has done is really cool.
Oh, bollocks. The article clearly implies that it's an actual, working replacement for a real transmission, although it immediately prompts the question of how a plastic gearbox could possibly work.
No one's blaming the creator of the model, as long as he isn't also the submitter.
There's nothing wrong with correctly directed negativity. If someone posted an article extolling the virtues of a neo-Nazi death cult I'm sure you'd have at least a few people complaining.
How many of us learned about anatomy by those rubber model torsos with removable organs?
Well hopefully more than those who learned on live human beings with hard-to-remove organs.
set up spreadsheets for each issue and use the cells to track progress
I might be picky, but I find a spreadsheet that takes 1 or 2 seconds to refresh each time you enter a new number in a cell to be a bit irritating.
If you want a spreadsheet solution just use Excel (or LibreOffice) to avoid your users dying of boredom.
Only someone on slashdot could make speaking to another human being sound so horrible.
And the BBC Micro was not inexpensive. It was really cool, had lots of IO, and probably was a great system for schools but it was not inexpensive.
There weren't any inexpensive computers in the early 1980s.
I have to say I'm really torn on who I want to win this.
It's easy to dismiss the idea of intellectual property when you're a rich slave owner with plenty of physical property to rely on for your comfort, rather different if you're a poor writer or artist trying to earn some money from your vocation.
What I find even more impressive than the awesome Four Chords is Rob Paravonian's Pachabel Rant, which shows how those same four chords show up in everything from classical music to punk rock over a span of hundreds of years.
When people say things like this I am reminded of the old "there are only six different stories in the world" idea that gets regularly brought up in discussions of films or books. This sort of structuralist reductionism tells you almost nothing about the actual works involved.
As proof, look at any song that has ever had a cover version, or any film that has been re-made. They can be wildly different, however much the basic structure is the same.
Horses for courses, but I really liked Raising Steam. The books since about 2009 when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's have increasingly dark underlying themes, but I don't see any evidence that Snuff and I Shall Wear Midnight are "ghost written" or even inferior.
Not OP but if he chose to take his own life cuz he was not happy with it. I may find life just as sucky but im still truckin and paying taxes. So sure as fuck I can judge him. no one knows why we are here anyways, how about anything for that matter not just us. if someone is free to take their own life, someone ought be just as free to make whatever judgement they want.
If not a simple troll, this is one of the most breathtakingly stupid and crass things I have ever read on slashdot, and you didn't even mentiion Ayn Rand.
Geeze, I didn't even know about Banks. Now I'm more depressed.
Have you been locked away in a maximum security prison with no contact with the outside world for the last two years or something?
Monstrous Regiment and Unseen Academicals weren't very good
I'm taking a wild guess that you're neither a feminist nor an Association Football fan.
That's pretty churlish. The most recent Discworld novels I read (Snuff and Raising Steam) were as good as the earlier ones, albeit more sombre in over all tone.
You appear to understand neither trolls nor humour, which is particularly ironic when referring to Terry Pratchett.