What they have said is that they want an Islamic and Arab government to control the entire former British Mandate of Palestine, and that they are willing to kill anyone who stands in the way of that dream.
That lasted from 1923 to 1948 when Israel was formed. So, in fact, they want the removal of Israel as a separate state from the equation.
Also, what's magical about 1923 when the British Mandate started? Why not go back to the 1200? Or 2000BC?
I'm as pro-Israeli as anyone, but repeating stupid anti-Muslim propaganda doesn't help at all. Most Muslims do not want to kill all Jews, Christians, atheists or other non-Muslims. Sorry.
And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,
we bless thee.
What retard modded this crap as informative?
The only thing they forgot was to mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
The missile shield destroys any pretense that this is about Israel protecting themselves, why aren't we calling them on it?
Even if the missile shield were 100% effective, which it isn't, Israel is still entitled to defend itself against attacks.
Do you think that if, during the Blitz, Britain had managed to find a way to shoot down all Nazi bombers and rockets we should have just said that we didn't then need to do anything else about Hitler?
Yup, I went through Israeli airport security once. I was actually concerned I might have been detained. Everybody gets a personal interview. The interviewer was fairly intimidating. The interview wasn't very long, but I got a clear understanding that if it didn't go well it could become VERY long.
Israel airport security has scared the crap out of me the couple of times I've been through it as a tourist on holiday with my family. Christ knows what it's like if you're an actual terrorist.
But El Al is the most secure airline in the world so they're doing something right.
With any luck the scattering of crushed pork rinds would render the area selectively uninhabitable to the worst fanatics on both sides (both Jews and Muslims avoid pork). It would be alomost like setting off a dirty bomb but the "contamination" would only affect the hard liners. The hard liners all have to leave since they deeply believe that they can't have pork in any way shape or form and the more reasonable people who remain then sort out the mess.
I'll start grinding pork rinds.
Cheers,
Dave
Sadly for your fantasy, the vast majority of Jews and Muslims don't treat the question of pork as a matter of more importance than life or death. They might not be wild about it, but if you said to most of them "eat a bacon sandwich or I'll kill your family", they'd eat the sandwich. The real religious extremists aren't out fighting anyway, they're sitting in their synagogues or mosques studying.
You can try to downplay this as "cyber vandalism" all you like, the fact is it is an act of terrorism as much as blowing up an electricity sub-station. You play with the big boys, expect to get treated as a grown up yourself.
Anyone who thinks any police force would dump / not test the samples of the 8,999 innocent men are fools. Make no mistake; this won't be the only stone-cold whodunnit that 'miraculously' gets solved in this burg. Every case will be rapidly moved along to airtight frame-up all thanks to CSI: Eyedropper.
If teh evil government wants to do an airtight frame-up of some of these "innocent" men, why would they need the DNA to help them?
People react as if DNA analysis is infallible. I seriously doubt that. Given enough volunteers, there is bound to be a false positive eventually. It could very well be this poor sap.
That is why you don't convict people on DNA evidence alone. If this guy ends up in prison, it will be because a lot of other evidence points to his guilt.
p.
There is no such thing as 100% reliable evidence, otherwise there wouldn't be any real need for trials.
And since the sample was found on a lighter in her bag, "consensual relations" here might mean, "Hey, mister, got a light?" "Sure, keep it." He might be guilty of abetting under-age smoking, nothing more.
And the DNA on her body?
No, you'll have to change it to "he offered her a light, then had random, consensual rough sex, after which he walked away and someone else entirely came along and murdered her." Or it may be that the rapist/murderer was his jealous wife, who stole a used condom after he fell asleep one night and planted the DNA. I'm fairly sure I've seen a film where that happened.
I feel compelled to point out this happened in the Netherlands, which is often held up as an example of European Enlightenment (TM) to be contrasted with a perceived lack of freedom in the United States.
People outside the US don't generally perceive you as having a lack of liberty. It's the absence of equality and fraternity that disappoints us.
Assuming you're referring to this article in particular, let me define the most important word in the summary.
volunteer/välnti()r/
Noun: A person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task.
Verb: Freely offer to do something
If you're referring to some possible future event that may or may not happen and is vaguely related to this, then please disregard.
Same thing has been going through my mind. The guy may never have met the girl - he may have dropped the lighter in the road, and she found the shiny thing lying in the dirt and picked it up. Girls of all ages like shiny pretty things.
So - they've located a guy who touched a lighter that the dead girl had in her possession. Now, it's time to do some real police work, and figure out what that means, IF ANYTHING.
Fuck me, Sherlock Holmes posts on slashdot! With your unerring logic you have shone the clear light of reason on the feeble attempts by police to solve a horrible rape and murder. Brilliant.
Now you just need to explain how the same fucking DNA was also found on the victim's body.
Come on, I know you can do it. I expect she accidentally brushed her knickers against a bush where he had been wanking off earlier, eh?
The DNA matched DNA found on a cigarette lighter found in her schoolbag - not DNA from the rape itself apparently.... More details need to come out, this isn't "solved" in my mind unless they have DNA evidence from the rape itself that matches.
Especially when they're admittedly going on a fishing expedition through the entire town. There is no doubt that there would be other peoples DNA on her personal belongings. Probably several peoples DNA from various places. This is exactly the kind of thing people are afraid of when they don't want their DNA in a database.
Yes, because obviously what happened is that the girl was raped and murdered, and there was no DNA evidence from that, but there was on the lighter, so this guy is going to be convicted solely on the basis of his DNA being found on this lighter which he couldn't possibly explain away otherwise.
Why is it ridiculous to not sell lighters to minors, if smoking is illegal for them? The number of other reasons you need a lighter are few and largely implausible for a child.
For any case I can think of, the child could borrow the lighter from an appropriate adult. And, no, minors do not have equal rights to adults. Sorry.
The DNA matched DNA found on a cigarette lighter found in her schoolbag - not DNA from the rape itself apparently. It's possible in my mind that the guy is innocent of rape\murder and guilty of selling a schoolgirl a lighter or her guilty of stealing it. More details need to come out, this isn't "solved" in my mind unless they have DNA evidence from the rape itself that matches.
Wow, you really ought to offer your services to this poor guy as a defence lawyer, almost certainly the prosecutors haven't even considered these alternatives..
you do realize people "voluntarily" let their children be molested (oh, the irony in context of article) at airports in this country, right?
In the context of the article, which is about a raped and murdered schoolgirl, your comment is not so much ironic as grossly distasteful and hyperbolic.
The patdowns at airports are only sexual molestation in the eyes of paranoid autistic types, who are of course heavily represented on slashdot, and for whom bodily contact is both frightening and rare.
That's because NYC would keep your DNA on file forever, and use it to bust you for things that aren't even crimes, like protesting.
If "the government" wanted to arrest you for protesting or other political offences, all they'd need to do is wait for the inevitable stone throwing (or else just get a couple of undercover officers to start it) then send in the riot police to grab you and do you for a whole raft of different crimes that don't involve DNA evidence.
If somewhere like the US is a police state, it's a pretty pathetic one. Thankfully.
The DNA database in the US has found matches between a black man and a white man if you point it at itself. They only look at about 12 spots and sometimes use just 9 to identify someone.
Surely if that was presented in court, the defence would be able to drill a hole right through it?
it's like the time a couple of engineers using the same calculators made a bet on an equation, then input the equations into the calculators and...got two slightly different answers: I remember a guy talking about this experience and how they were all in shock because the probabilities were absurdly (in the mathematical sense) low that this would happen--something that scientists would think impossible--yet it did.
Interesting, do you have any more details on this? What equations? What were the probabilities? What actually happened?
Slashdot Mirror
What they have said is that they want an Islamic and Arab government to control the entire former British Mandate of Palestine, and that they are willing to kill anyone who stands in the way of that dream.
That lasted from 1923 to 1948 when Israel was formed. So, in fact, they want the removal of Israel as a separate state from the equation.
Also, what's magical about 1923 when the British Mandate started? Why not go back to the 1200? Or 2000BC?
The problem is a political one.
The real solution is to acknowledge that neither Jewish nor Muslim states have any right to exist. The only just government is secular and democratic.
What, like Israel's you mean?
Because you cannot claim territory via conquest, and Israel started the 1967 war (where they grabbed all that territory) with a sneak attack on Egypt.
Yes, poor innocent defenceless little Egypt was attacked by the evil Israelis for no reason whatsoever.
Please.
And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,
we bless thee.
What retard modded this crap as informative?
The only thing they forgot was to mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
You just might be right...
Which is nice for a change, usually it's all "leftist" leaning. Guess you know how every other day on Slashdot tends to feel for the rest of us. ;-)
You can be leftist and support the right of democratic Israel to protect itself . Not all leftists are 100% pro-Arab.
It's mainly Israel's links with the US that annoy most leftists outside America.
BTW if you think slashdot is "leftist" you need to get out more.
The missile shield destroys any pretense that this is about Israel protecting themselves, why aren't we calling them on it?
Even if the missile shield were 100% effective, which it isn't, Israel is still entitled to defend itself against attacks.
Do you think that if, during the Blitz, Britain had managed to find a way to shoot down all Nazi bombers and rockets we should have just said that we didn't then need to do anything else about Hitler?
Yup, I went through Israeli airport security once. I was actually concerned I might have been detained. Everybody gets a personal interview. The interviewer was fairly intimidating. The interview wasn't very long, but I got a clear understanding that if it didn't go well it could become VERY long.
Israel airport security has scared the crap out of me the couple of times I've been through it as a tourist on holiday with my family. Christ knows what it's like if you're an actual terrorist.
But El Al is the most secure airline in the world so they're doing something right.
With any luck the scattering of crushed pork rinds would render the area selectively uninhabitable to the worst fanatics on both sides (both Jews and Muslims avoid pork). It would be alomost like setting off a dirty bomb but the "contamination" would only affect the hard liners. The hard liners all have to leave since they deeply believe that they can't have pork in any way shape or form and the more reasonable people who remain then sort out the mess.
I'll start grinding pork rinds.
Cheers, Dave
Sadly for your fantasy, the vast majority of Jews and Muslims don't treat the question of pork as a matter of more importance than life or death. They might not be wild about it, but if you said to most of them "eat a bacon sandwich or I'll kill your family", they'd eat the sandwich. The real religious extremists aren't out fighting anyway, they're sitting in their synagogues or mosques studying.
You can try to downplay this as "cyber vandalism" all you like, the fact is it is an act of terrorism as much as blowing up an electricity sub-station. You play with the big boys, expect to get treated as a grown up yourself.
Anyone who thinks any police force would dump / not test the samples of the 8,999 innocent men are fools. Make no mistake; this won't be the only stone-cold whodunnit that 'miraculously' gets solved in this burg. Every case will be rapidly moved along to airtight frame-up all thanks to CSI: Eyedropper.
If teh evil government wants to do an airtight frame-up of some of these "innocent" men, why would they need the DNA to help them?
People react as if DNA analysis is infallible. I seriously doubt that. Given enough volunteers, there is bound to be a false positive eventually. It could very well be this poor sap.
That is why you don't convict people on DNA evidence alone. If this guy ends up in prison, it will be because a lot of other evidence points to his guilt. p. There is no such thing as 100% reliable evidence, otherwise there wouldn't be any real need for trials.
And since the sample was found on a lighter in her bag, "consensual relations" here might mean, "Hey, mister, got a light?" "Sure, keep it." He might be guilty of abetting under-age smoking, nothing more.
And the DNA on her body?
No, you'll have to change it to "he offered her a light, then had random, consensual rough sex, after which he walked away and someone else entirely came along and murdered her." Or it may be that the rapist/murderer was his jealous wife, who stole a used condom after he fell asleep one night and planted the DNA. I'm fairly sure I've seen a film where that happened.
Nobody's treating the DNA evidence as an "infallible oracle". It's only geeks who would think otherwise.
I feel compelled to point out this happened in the Netherlands, which is often held up as an example of European Enlightenment (TM) to be contrasted with a perceived lack of freedom in the United States.
People outside the US don't generally perceive you as having a lack of liberty. It's the absence of equality and fraternity that disappoints us.
Assuming you're referring to this article in particular, let me define the most important word in the summary. volunteer/välnti()r/ Noun: A person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task. Verb: Freely offer to do something
If you're referring to some possible future event that may or may not happen and is vaguely related to this, then please disregard.
On slashdot everything's a slippery slope.
Same thing has been going through my mind. The guy may never have met the girl - he may have dropped the lighter in the road, and she found the shiny thing lying in the dirt and picked it up. Girls of all ages like shiny pretty things.
So - they've located a guy who touched a lighter that the dead girl had in her possession. Now, it's time to do some real police work, and figure out what that means, IF ANYTHING.
Fuck me, Sherlock Holmes posts on slashdot! With your unerring logic you have shone the clear light of reason on the feeble attempts by police to solve a horrible rape and murder. Brilliant.
Now you just need to explain how the same fucking DNA was also found on the victim's body.
Come on, I know you can do it. I expect she accidentally brushed her knickers against a bush where he had been wanking off earlier, eh?
Especially when they're admittedly going on a fishing expedition through the entire town. There is no doubt that there would be other peoples DNA on her personal belongings. Probably several peoples DNA from various places. This is exactly the kind of thing people are afraid of when they don't want their DNA in a database.
Yes, because obviously what happened is that the girl was raped and murdered, and there was no DNA evidence from that, but there was on the lighter, so this guy is going to be convicted solely on the basis of his DNA being found on this lighter which he couldn't possibly explain away otherwise.
For any case I can think of, the child could borrow the lighter from an appropriate adult. And, no, minors do not have equal rights to adults. Sorry.
The DNA matched DNA found on a cigarette lighter found in her schoolbag - not DNA from the rape itself apparently. It's possible in my mind that the guy is innocent of rape\murder and guilty of selling a schoolgirl a lighter or her guilty of stealing it. More details need to come out, this isn't "solved" in my mind unless they have DNA evidence from the rape itself that matches.
Wow, you really ought to offer your services to this poor guy as a defence lawyer, almost certainly the prosecutors haven't even considered these alternatives..
you do realize people "voluntarily" let their children be molested (oh, the irony in context of article) at airports in this country, right?
In the context of the article, which is about a raped and murdered schoolgirl, your comment is not so much ironic as grossly distasteful and hyperbolic.
The patdowns at airports are only sexual molestation in the eyes of paranoid autistic types, who are of course heavily represented on slashdot, and for whom bodily contact is both frightening and rare.
That's because NYC would keep your DNA on file forever, and use it to bust you for things that aren't even crimes, like protesting.
If "the government" wanted to arrest you for protesting or other political offences, all they'd need to do is wait for the inevitable stone throwing (or else just get a couple of undercover officers to start it) then send in the riot police to grab you and do you for a whole raft of different crimes that don't involve DNA evidence.
If somewhere like the US is a police state, it's a pretty pathetic one. Thankfully.
The DNA database in the US has found matches between a black man and a white man if you point it at itself. They only look at about 12 spots and sometimes use just 9 to identify someone.
Surely if that was presented in court, the defence would be able to drill a hole right through it?
Thank God someone finally posted this. For a geek site there are some very strange ideas about statistics floating around here.
it's like the time a couple of engineers using the same calculators made a bet on an equation, then input the equations into the calculators and...got two slightly different answers: I remember a guy talking about this experience and how they were all in shock because the probabilities were absurdly (in the mathematical sense) low that this would happen--something that scientists would think impossible--yet it did.
Interesting, do you have any more details on this? What equations? What were the probabilities? What actually happened?