In the old times of the Soviet Union, I used to hear the "internal passport" as an example of the lack of democracy there. The USSR has been dead for all these years and USA, the self-proclaimed beacon of democracy, turned into the same. Go figure.
Maybe it's a fatality: Every society model, left to its own devices, will turn into an Orwellian dystopia after some amount of time. It's just getting faster while human evolution accelerates.
Note how easy it is to lie. Just put forth a naked claim consisting of false alternatives without any thought toward proof, demonstration, or even a suggestion of mechanism.
You kind of reply to yourself:
No idea that history is littered with the carcasses of nations that claimed to support those who didn't work.
Well, that sounds great. It's a lot easier than working. Let's all just give up struggling to work or create a business to make a living, and we can all just sit back and post on/. all day.
But if nobody is working, creating businesses, and generating wealth, where do we get all the money to support everyone?
Are you suggesting that in all the countries with a welfare state nobody works? Do you really believe that bullshit or you're just kidding?
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, collectivism/redistributionism and "social justice" are great until you run out of other people's money.
Well, the stupid ideas of that poor excuse of a ruler have proven wrong over and over again. Most of them are hocus-pocus economics, wishful thinking and a profound hatred for the working classes.
Even confiscating 100% of the "top 1%"'s wealth won't even come close to paying for 4 months at the US government's current spending rate. So, where is all the wealth to pay for all that crap going to come from?
You mean all the money the US government pays to make those people even richer? It comes from the middle class, of course! While there's still one...
These are the same, tired, failed ideas that have been tried over and over and over again through history and failed every single time, while also killing many millions upon millions of people and condemning even more to abject poverty and despotism.
Now I'm confused, what are you talking about? Capitalism?
Socialists, Communists, "redistributionists", and the "social justice" crowd fit perfectly the textbook definition of insanity; to repeat the same actions over and over while persisting in the belief that the results will be different. They're just like crackheads that persist in going back on the pipe time after time while expecting that, this time, it will be different. In the meantime, they scream and violently attack those who are trying to dissuade them while they continue to harm themselves and everyone around them, incapable or unwilling to see the harm they cause.
Strat
Yeah, because free-rein capitalism is working soooooo well!
Don't sweat it, it's the typical right-wing straw man. When we protest against their beloved neoliberal ideals they accuse us of being the spawn of Stalin that want to enslave the whole world in an Orwellian society. The world is not black and white. Lack of intelligence and/or fanaticism prevents people from seeing the many different shades of colours in between.
Governments are extremely more efficient at distributing wealth and providing a safety net for everybody than charities. Just reading the word "charity" makes my stomach turn. People don't need charity, they need a safe and organised society where they contribute and receive.
So what are the counterpoints to the first two? Society owes you a free house, free food, free health care, and a free education? If you fail, blame someone else?
Nothing is free. There's a difference between being left in the cold fighting for those things or sharing the cost of having a safety net everybody can use. The latter is much more efficient.
Both the ruling right-wing "alliance" and the social democrats worship the almighty market in Sweden nowadays. It's depressing to say the least.
It's even more depressing for me. We in Portugal envy the Scandinavian social model. The little of what we have is today being quickly demolished in the name of the Holy Markets and the Holy Debt. Tell your neoliberal friends to come to Portugal and watch their doctrine in full action. Maybe they'll change their minds.
Don't forget the indoctrination being performed for decades on the minds of people:
Society owes you nothing;
if you fail, it's your own fault;
Don't blame others for being treacherous, just be smarter than them;
Your coworker is not your friend, he's after your job;
Anything has value only if it has commercial value;
Merciless competition is the natural way, live with it;
If you're not rich, you're useless scum;
. . .
This is not the way our brains were programmed to work. Without a sense of community, we drown in misery. Without trust, there's no community. The USA is a few steps ahead of Europe in this stupid individualistic mentality. Don't expect your country to go anywhere with this.
Yes, you did. Hesaigo999ca said he hates people who cheat on their spouses. I asked why. I included a quote from his text to make very clear what I was talking about.
Setting someone on fire is a horrible act. And you can be sure I hate the guy who did it.
It's not a troll. He calls the attention on the injustice committed upon a woman suspect of infidelity. Then he ends saying he hates the cheaters. That's a contradiction.
(Women) infidelity used to be severely punished in Western societies, then we evolved to a state where we consider it to be a private matter and not the business of society to mess with. Anyway, there's an implicit social condemnation against those that cheat in marriage, though a good proportion of people do it and it's really not that harmful. Why should you hate cheaters when you're not the one being cheated? It's likely you'll find a few of them in your friends and family.
Now, why is this a troll? It's related to the subject, and I'm not insulting or provoking anyone.
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In the old times of the Soviet Union, I used to hear the "internal passport" as an example of the lack of democracy there. The USSR has been dead for all these years and USA, the self-proclaimed beacon of democracy, turned into the same. Go figure.
Maybe it's a fatality: Every society model, left to its own devices, will turn into an Orwellian dystopia after some amount of time. It's just getting faster while human evolution accelerates.
Why do you guys keep repeating the same strawman over and over again? If I'm not for one extreme then I must be for the other extreme, right?
Note how easy it is to lie. Just put forth a naked claim consisting of false alternatives without any thought toward proof, demonstration, or even a suggestion of mechanism.
You kind of reply to yourself:
No idea that history is littered with the carcasses of nations that claimed to support those who didn't work.
Well, that sounds great. It's a lot easier than working. Let's all just give up struggling to work or create a business to make a living, and we can all just sit back and post on /. all day.
But if nobody is working, creating businesses, and generating wealth, where do we get all the money to support everyone?
Are you suggesting that in all the countries with a welfare state nobody works? Do you really believe that bullshit or you're just kidding?
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, collectivism/redistributionism and "social justice" are great until you run out of other people's money.
Well, the stupid ideas of that poor excuse of a ruler have proven wrong over and over again. Most of them are hocus-pocus economics, wishful thinking and a profound hatred for the working classes.
Even confiscating 100% of the "top 1%"'s wealth won't even come close to paying for 4 months at the US government's current spending rate. So, where is all the wealth to pay for all that crap going to come from?
You mean all the money the US government pays to make those people even richer? It comes from the middle class, of course! While there's still one...
These are the same, tired, failed ideas that have been tried over and over and over again through history and failed every single time, while also killing many millions upon millions of people and condemning even more to abject poverty and despotism.
Now I'm confused, what are you talking about? Capitalism?
Socialists, Communists, "redistributionists", and the "social justice" crowd fit perfectly the textbook definition of insanity; to repeat the same actions over and over while persisting in the belief that the results will be different. They're just like crackheads that persist in going back on the pipe time after time while expecting that, this time, it will be different. In the meantime, they scream and violently attack those who are trying to dissuade them while they continue to harm themselves and everyone around them, incapable or unwilling to see the harm they cause.
Strat
Yeah, because free-rein capitalism is working soooooo well!
Yeah, your post is a great example of insight. My fault, I guess.
Don't sweat it, it's the typical right-wing straw man. When we protest against their beloved neoliberal ideals they accuse us of being the spawn of Stalin that want to enslave the whole world in an Orwellian society. The world is not black and white. Lack of intelligence and/or fanaticism prevents people from seeing the many different shades of colours in between.
Maybe she can blow a white coke addicted useless playboy daddy's-fortune heir for 10 bucks. You see, it works both ways.
Governments are extremely more efficient at distributing wealth and providing a safety net for everybody than charities. Just reading the word "charity" makes my stomach turn. People don't need charity, they need a safe and organised society where they contribute and receive.
I see Mad Max is your ideal of society.
So what are the counterpoints to the first two? Society owes you a free house, free food, free health care, and a free education? If you fail, blame someone else?
Nothing is free. There's a difference between being left in the cold fighting for those things or sharing the cost of having a safety net everybody can use. The latter is much more efficient.
Both the ruling right-wing "alliance" and the social democrats worship the almighty market in Sweden nowadays. It's depressing to say the least.
It's even more depressing for me. We in Portugal envy the Scandinavian social model. The little of what we have is today being quickly demolished in the name of the Holy Markets and the Holy Debt. Tell your neoliberal friends to come to Portugal and watch their doctrine in full action. Maybe they'll change their minds.
They may hate the bastards
And they trust none.
Don't forget the indoctrination being performed for decades on the minds of people:
This is not the way our brains were programmed to work. Without a sense of community, we drown in misery. Without trust, there's no community. The USA is a few steps ahead of Europe in this stupid individualistic mentality. Don't expect your country to go anywhere with this.
Excuse me, I didn't get it. Are you talking about India or the USA?
Of course they would, and then they'd be automatically added to a government database of people to watch for "deviant" behaviour.
You don't get out much, do you?
They're trying to prevent you from wanking yourself to death.
You have a good reason to hate the one who cheated on you... or not. But hate is a pretty strong word to apply to every cheater, isn't it?
Did I misunderstand your post?
Yes, you did. Hesaigo999ca said he hates people who cheat on their spouses. I asked why. I included a quote from his text to make very clear what I was talking about.
Setting someone on fire is a horrible act. And you can be sure I hate the guy who did it.
If you didn't understand my post, you don't belong in civilised society. Please read it again.
It's not a troll. He calls the attention on the injustice committed upon a woman suspect of infidelity. Then he ends saying he hates the cheaters. That's a contradiction.
(Women) infidelity used to be severely punished in Western societies, then we evolved to a state where we consider it to be a private matter and not the business of society to mess with. Anyway, there's an implicit social condemnation against those that cheat in marriage, though a good proportion of people do it and it's really not that harmful. Why should you hate cheaters when you're not the one being cheated? It's likely you'll find a few of them in your friends and family.
Now, why is this a troll? It's related to the subject, and I'm not insulting or provoking anyone.
I hate any cheater, but come on....that is just sick!
Why would you hate someone for doing something that doesn't affect you, for reasons you have no idea of?
Just ban Flash outright! The whole world will be thankful.
Don't forget peopel who can't spell, also.
Speak for yourself. Hey, everyone gets off the way he likes better!