Ok, can someone tell me how to get this to work in Opera 8? Or does it not work? I use traditional MDI mode... I did try opening the MS site in another browser window - do I also have to have the secuna site in it's own window?
All that happened is the secuna site loaded new text in the secuna site window... nothing changed in the MS window.
Personally, I don't think I care if a drug company can't afford to advertise. Actually I think it would be better that way.
Let the experts - doctors - research drugs that come out from various companies. Then let them prescribe them if they actually think they'll help.
Here's a hint. I can't imagine ever going to a doctor to ask about if some medicine I saw on tv was "right for me". I'd expect the doctor to tell me if I need some medication.
Ummm, I don't know about you, but I can buy DVD-Rs for about $0.42 each and they last at least as long as any CD-R I've ever had. I have many that are fine after 2 years...
As to DVD+DL, I'm seeing them for about $3.50 online...
If you think those are crap for some reason, you can get DVD-R 4.7GB 1X-4X Silver Lacquer by Taiyo Yuden for $0.32 . . .
In NY, it's interesting. If you have a standard 55 MPH highway zone, and are going into a town:
If the first sign is a 30 MPH limit sign, you have until the NEXT 30 MPH sign to slow down to that speed before you can be ticketed.
However, if they first have a generic SPEED ZONE AHEAD sign, you have to be to speed by the first 30 MPH limit sign. I think the SPEED ZONE AHEAD signs are so they can write more tickets.
I usually plan for the speed zone to be 30 MPH if I'm going into a town/city which is often indicated well in advance, and 45 MPH if not.
This seems to work for NY.
OTOH, I've gone past a cop on a back streen in a small town at 43 in a 30 and not been pulled over.
Where I live, the reason they don't give out tickets till certain mph over is due to the local laws and environment.
From what I hear from the police, they can't give you more than a verbal warning if you're 5 MPH or less over the limit.
Apparently in NY, you don't get any points on the license unless you're 10MPH+ over the speed limit, and the fines are limited to around $100, and often are less.
It's also rather easy to talk down a ticket one grade(5mph IIRC) unless you really have a horrible record.
So to be profitable, and to have any real deterrant value, you need to be doing about 15 MPH over the limit.
One would think that, wouldn't one. However, if what a lot of people are saying, that the consoles will be a "Grandma computing station" - then that doesn't hold true. E-Mail, movie playing, and web browsing are pretty far afield IMHO from gaming.
2-3 years in? The PS3 isn't being released for a year. By then, I'd expect high end PCs to match it. At most a year down the road most consumer PCs will match it. By 3 years in, it'll be like the XBox is now.
But how useable is the web on a TV screen? I mean, I tried all that on the dreamcast (last console, maybe only one that supported dial up - all that was available where I live till a month or so ago), and was - shall I say - underwhelmed. Oh, yay, I can see the top left eighth of the webpage!
Let me scroll around the screen trying to read this. While I try and input stuff with the pad that came with the console. And deal with the fact that the console browser doesn't support any current websites (and this was in 2000, right after the dreamcast came out)...
One thing is that console based browsers ought to finally start beating those IE6 only websites with a really large 2x4... If all these predictions of everyone doing their webmail and ebanking via their PS3 or whatever come true (which I really doubt).
I've been singularily unimpressed by how bad the web looks on consoles projected onto a very low resolution TV screen. And let's not kid ourselves, the people with HDTVs are the people with high end gaming PCs too.
Also, what about image editing (fixing up those digital pictures) and printing? What about video editing (again, those home movies)?
What about playing divx files someone downloaded?
Are there printers for these consoles that are coming out? Is there a Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop Elements or even GIMP?
Lets just say that IME, network multiplayer kicks split screen all over the room and into next tuesday. I mean, how can you play all squashed like that, and there's no "privacy" for lack of a better term, you can also see what your opponent sees. Good luck sneaking up on someone...
Well, seeing as the next gen consoles don't come with hard drives (does anyone else see this as a step *backward* for the XBox?), get back to me when there is a console Neverwinter Nights, some sort of decent realtime/turn based strategy game, World of Warcraft/Guild Wars (maybe this already exists, IDK), UT2k4, Doom 3, Far Cry etc...
I still feel (well, currently at the least) that consoles are good for some games - sports, racing - and PCs are good for some games - the above - with some overlap in ports.
Personally, I don't see the console ever killing off the PC, at least not alone.
Look, even my non techie gamer friends who love their PS2's aren't going to try and type a report on their TV screen. They aren't going to browse the web with thier console. They aren't going to do one of a hundered things they need to for their college classes or work via a console on their TV.
I tried with the Dreamcast, would have with the PS2 if I had broadband at the time + the adapter for it, but it doesn't work for... work.
I'll have to see the PS3 or X360 in action to say for sure, but I'll be very suprised if either one makes me want to use it for VNC to something to run Opera or Excel or Eudora for my work.
Ummm, best reason to play games on my PC vs a console in the living room is that I can play multiplayer vs my sister + cousin if his comp is over on the LAN with each of us having our own screen so no cheating, and we can actually play sometimes vs trying to squeeze in the 5 minutes when my Dad isn't watching TV or complaining about noise in the living room keeping him up...
Again, I have no idea why you think Opera just supported javascript or CSS in version 7. I'm reading the changelogs for version 5 (the one I started with, released in december of 2000) and it supports base javascript + new versions of javascript plus CSS2...
When did Gecko come out? About that same time IIRC. I'm sorry, but to claim NS4 as having much to do with gecko - the entire thing was rewritten from scratch - that's why it took 4 years to get anything out.
Oh, btw - Opera 5 was when they introduced mouse guestures. So your last sentence is dead wrong.
I'm also not getting the relevance of this discussion. So, I'll stop now. But I hate to see misinformation posted.
In the end, what browser you use depends on what you want. If Free in all it's permutations is important to you, you've only got one choice I know of on Windows (though that's an oxymoron right there), some Mozilla dereviant.
If function is important to you, you have to determine if Opera's features now - vs FF's reimplementation some time in the future - is worth it to you.
I think Opera has an opportunity to court those disaffected Seamonky users now that their product of choice has been EOLed.
Mmm, I don't think Opera supports queuing. That's why I use GetRight. I think download management belongs in a download manager, so I can close my browser without losing my downloads.
I'd say it's at worst equal to FireFox. My understanding is that the only thing that was big for 7 was a better DOM model, however to claim that that is some new thing in v7, remember it was released in Feb of 2003. FireFox 1.0 was just released.
So, comparing something today against something over 2 years old is misleading at best.
Also, I'd claim based on personal experiance that basic functionality was present in Opera since I started using it, back in 2001.
The last thing is that I'd guess that "UI Tricks" are what most people look for in software... I mean, vi has perfectly good basic functionality, but it's UI is horrible, to the point that I use pico as I can figure out how to do stuff in it.
Anyway, that's one reason why no one browser should own the market. I personally can't stand FireFoxes UI. It makes me want to barf. It's also pretty slow compared to Opera (though this was v1, I don't try alpha's).
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Do you think they may start to converge again with this development?
Ok, can someone tell me how to get this to work in Opera 8? Or does it not work? I use traditional MDI mode... I did try opening the MS site in another browser window - do I also have to have the secuna site in it's own window?
All that happened is the secuna site loaded new text in the secuna site window... nothing changed in the MS window.
Personally, I don't think I care if a drug company can't afford to advertise. Actually I think it would be better that way.
Let the experts - doctors - research drugs that come out from various companies. Then let them prescribe them if they actually think they'll help.
Here's a hint. I can't imagine ever going to a doctor to ask about if some medicine I saw on tv was "right for me". I'd expect the doctor to tell me if I need some medication.
Ummm, I don't know about you, but I can buy DVD-Rs for about $0.42 each and they last at least as long as any CD-R I've ever had. I have many that are fine after 2 years...
As to DVD+DL, I'm seeing them for about $3.50 online...
If you think those are crap for some reason, you can get DVD-R 4.7GB 1X-4X Silver Lacquer by Taiyo Yuden for $0.32 . . .
In NY, it's interesting. If you have a standard 55 MPH highway zone, and are going into a town:
If the first sign is a 30 MPH limit sign, you have until the NEXT 30 MPH sign to slow down to that speed before you can be ticketed.
However, if they first have a generic SPEED ZONE AHEAD sign, you have to be to speed by the first 30 MPH limit sign. I think the SPEED ZONE AHEAD signs are so they can write more tickets.
I usually plan for the speed zone to be 30 MPH if I'm going into a town/city which is often indicated well in advance, and 45 MPH if not.
This seems to work for NY.
OTOH, I've gone past a cop on a back streen in a small town at 43 in a 30 and not been pulled over.
Where I live, the reason they don't give out tickets till certain mph over is due to the local laws and environment.
From what I hear from the police, they can't give you more than a verbal warning if you're 5 MPH or less over the limit.
Apparently in NY, you don't get any points on the license unless you're 10MPH+ over the speed limit, and the fines are limited to around $100, and often are less.
It's also rather easy to talk down a ticket one grade(5mph IIRC) unless you really have a horrible record.
So to be profitable, and to have any real deterrant value, you need to be doing about 15 MPH over the limit.
Well, if this is a generic x86 OS (it works on AMD64), I might give it a try.
One would think that, wouldn't one. However, if what a lot of people are saying, that the consoles will be a "Grandma computing station" - then that doesn't hold true. E-Mail, movie playing, and web browsing are pretty far afield IMHO from gaming.
2-3 years in? The PS3 isn't being released for a year. By then, I'd expect high end PCs to match it. At most a year down the road most consumer PCs will match it. By 3 years in, it'll be like the XBox is now.
But how useable is the web on a TV screen? I mean, I tried all that on the dreamcast (last console, maybe only one that supported dial up - all that was available where I live till a month or so ago), and was - shall I say - underwhelmed. Oh, yay, I can see the top left eighth of the webpage!
Let me scroll around the screen trying to read this. While I try and input stuff with the pad that came with the console. And deal with the fact that the console browser doesn't support any current websites (and this was in 2000, right after the dreamcast came out)...
One thing is that console based browsers ought to finally start beating those IE6 only websites with a really large 2x4... If all these predictions of everyone doing their webmail and ebanking via their PS3 or whatever come true (which I really doubt).
I've been singularily unimpressed by how bad the web looks on consoles projected onto a very low resolution TV screen. And let's not kid ourselves, the people with HDTVs are the people with high end gaming PCs too.
Also, what about image editing (fixing up those digital pictures) and printing? What about video editing (again, those home movies)?
What about playing divx files someone downloaded?
Are there printers for these consoles that are coming out? Is there a Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop Elements or even GIMP?
Lets just say that IME, network multiplayer kicks split screen all over the room and into next tuesday. I mean, how can you play all squashed like that, and there's no "privacy" for lack of a better term, you can also see what your opponent sees. Good luck sneaking up on someone...
Well, seeing as the next gen consoles don't come with hard drives (does anyone else see this as a step *backward* for the XBox?), get back to me when there is a console Neverwinter Nights, some sort of decent realtime/turn based strategy game, World of Warcraft/Guild Wars (maybe this already exists, IDK), UT2k4, Doom 3, Far Cry etc...
I still feel (well, currently at the least) that consoles are good for some games - sports, racing - and PCs are good for some games - the above - with some overlap in ports.
As I've said elsewhere, I'm still waiting for a console that does any sort of business applications as more than a demo joke.
I mean, have you ever actually tried to surf the web using a TV as a screen?
Personally, I don't see the console ever killing off the PC, at least not alone.
... work.
Look, even my non techie gamer friends who love their PS2's aren't going to try and type a report on their TV screen. They aren't going to browse the web with thier console. They aren't going to do one of a hundered things they need to for their college classes or work via a console on their TV.
I tried with the Dreamcast, would have with the PS2 if I had broadband at the time + the adapter for it, but it doesn't work for
I'll have to see the PS3 or X360 in action to say for sure, but I'll be very suprised if either one makes me want to use it for VNC to something to run Opera or Excel or Eudora for my work.
Ummm, best reason to play games on my PC vs a console in the living room is that I can play multiplayer vs my sister + cousin if his comp is over on the LAN with each of us having our own screen so no cheating, and we can actually play sometimes vs trying to squeeze in the 5 minutes when my Dad isn't watching TV or complaining about noise in the living room keeping him up...
Yeah. Get process explorer from sysinternals, and turn on CPU time used by processes and get ready for an eye opener.
I've had Opera 8.01 running + proxomitron and browsing on and off for about 5 hours here. Guess how much CPU time it used?
Opera : 1 Minute 39 Seconds.
Prox : 2 Minutes 26 Seconds.
That's it. In fact, aside from the system, Process explorer has used the most CPU time, though I've been running that for about 12 hours.
And it has used : 15 Min 46 Seconds.
So, your PC spends A LOT OF TIME waiting for you.
Directory Opus... A43 .... There are lots of other file managers that are as good or better than Windows Explorer.
Generally such programs hinder performance. You don't really want much free physical memory.
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Again, I have no idea why you think Opera just supported javascript or CSS in version 7. I'm reading the changelogs for version 5 (the one I started with, released in december of 2000) and it supports base javascript + new versions of javascript plus CSS2...
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http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/500-512/i
When did Gecko come out? About that same time IIRC. I'm sorry, but to claim NS4 as having much to do with gecko - the entire thing was rewritten from scratch - that's why it took 4 years to get anything out.
Oh, btw - Opera 5 was when they introduced mouse guestures. So your last sentence is dead wrong.
I'm also not getting the relevance of this discussion. So, I'll stop now. But I hate to see misinformation posted.
In the end, what browser you use depends on what you want. If Free in all it's permutations is important to you, you've only got one choice I know of on Windows (though that's an oxymoron right there), some Mozilla dereviant.
If function is important to you, you have to determine if Opera's features now - vs FF's reimplementation some time in the future - is worth it to you.
I think Opera has an opportunity to court those disaffected Seamonky users now that their product of choice has been EOLed.
Mmm, I don't think Opera supports queuing. That's why I use GetRight. I think download management belongs in a download manager, so I can close my browser without losing my downloads.
Cool.
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For Opera 8 anyway on my A64 3400+ it 6.42 seconds. Amazing, for web browsing I only get a 4x performance boost from P3 600 to my chip
Opera user's points exactly.
I'd say it's at worst equal to FireFox. My understanding is that the only thing that was big for 7 was a better DOM model, however to claim that that is some new thing in v7, remember it was released in Feb of 2003. FireFox 1.0 was just released.
So, comparing something today against something over 2 years old is misleading at best.
Also, I'd claim based on personal experiance that basic functionality was present in Opera since I started using it, back in 2001.
The last thing is that I'd guess that "UI Tricks" are what most people look for in software... I mean, vi has perfectly good basic functionality, but it's UI is horrible, to the point that I use pico as I can figure out how to do stuff in it.
You do understand you can customize it, correct?
Anyway, that's one reason why no one browser should own the market. I personally can't stand FireFoxes UI. It makes me want to barf. It's also pretty slow compared to Opera (though this was v1, I don't try alpha's).