Heck, Opera has the same problem. If sites sent it the code they did for IE or Mozilla, 99% of the time the page works fine. So, Opera IDs as IE much of the time, so pages just work.
What is really frustrating about this is that it is basically web devs go through more work to put in place such scripts, and then users have to go through even more work to "bypass" those scripts, and I think everyone would have an easier time if such things just went away.
Or if they would at least check what the browser accessing the site supports rather than it's name.
Seriously. The reason I stopped using IE was not security. I never got spyware, I know how to protect my PC.
What got me using Opera was originally sheer speed over IE. It's just always been 3x or more faster than IE, and I hate wasting time, or staring at a blank screen like IE is wont to make me do.
Later on, tabbed browsing is another biggie. I love instantly having a new tab, as opposed to waiting a second for a new instance of IE to open.
etc...
Basically, most people switch because of features, especially the ones they can see. Security isn't something they can see, and nothing is perfectly secure.
Well, part of the problem with copyright is the idea that everything, including this post, is copyrighted. We need far more "Opt-In" in this world and far less "Opt-Out".
Personally I'm not that much for an IP tax. It's a good idea, but as postulated, far to complex to end up a moneymaker for anyone in the end, except possibly lawyers.
I would love a few things to happen. One, go back to the old methods of having to assert copyright. You forget to? Too damn bad. It obviously wasn't important enough to you for you to get your shit together.
Second, to assert copyright successfully, sometime during the first month or so of publishing, you need to drop off a non encumbered, fully open copy of the content at the library of congress. Now adays, this shouldn't be too hard, authors could e-mail txt files for god's sake. Musicians could mail a CD, or FTP a wave file. And to forestall any problems - mail your stuff registered mail, return receipt. If you don't have a postmarked mailing date, it doesn't count as received until it actually is at the Library of Congress.
Third, we need to make these things shorter terms. Because I like simple systems, I think we should keep the one term for copyright. However, everything I've seen says if a copyrighted work is going to make money, some huge percentages of them (90%+) do so in the first year or so.
So make copyright last 2 years, with it renewable for a small fee anytime during the last month of copyright. Here's where I'm somewhat ambivalent - I have 2 schemes I could see being OK. First, max renewals out to 14 total years(at 2 years a piece).
Second is nice, renewals are unlimited, however the fee scale is like this (adjusted for inflation):
1st - $100 to renew for another 2 years 2nd - $1,000 to renew for another 2 years 3rd - $10,000 to renew for another 2 years 4th - $100,000 to renew for another 2 years 5th - $1,000,000 to renew for another 2 years
etc. The government gets money, if it's really worth all that, companies can continue their monopoly. And eventually, I don't care if you're bill gates, you have to release the work, because you CAN'T pay the fee anymore. Now that scale may be a little extreme, but it exemplifies my belief in short copyright times.
The problem here is I do think this minor one isn't enough of a raise, we're out to 22 years, and still not really incentivising mid to large corps to release the copyright. So I like the first.
Lastly, with the requirement of dropping off a copy at the library of congress, it should be very easy to make an internet accessible database of copyrighted works. So that people could easily find if the work they want to copy is still copyrighted or not.
I'm not sure any of the listed issues are simple or have a clear right or wrong side either, at least for people who don't just parrot the "party line" whatever that may be and whoever might be deciding it.
But, that's good. It just means you have to compare DRM as against free speech or something. Something completely wrong, and entirely absence the true nuance of the issue, but that spins it so average people like being on *our* side. Oh, that, and a lot of money for a few months of non-stop tv ads.
Oh, I stand against all sorts of things, including Organized Religions of all stripes. Some of my friends wonder just what there is that I don't dislike. I guess I'm just cynical at 23.
I know, seriously. I don't watch TV anymore, especially not news. And I only occasionally remember to check news.google.com to keep up to speed. When I went back for spring break a couple weeks ago, the first discussion was like:
"Don't you feel sorry for her? I can't believe it."
Me: "Who?"
Them: "Teri Shivo, you know they removed her feeding tube"
Me: "An old friend of your's you haven't mentioned yet?"
Them: "No! That poor woman in Florida"
Me: "We know someone in Florida?"
Them: "We don't know her! She's on the news. "
Me: "Why is this news? Why do we here in NY even care?"
This is starting to happen to me more often than usual. And I get similar reactions when I bring up issues like the patriot act, or DMCA, or the police tracking device on cars issue.
I'm currently in a criminal justice class, and I have to say, as far as I can tell, deterrance has been thrown out the window as not working at all.
What we use instead now is a mix of punishment (eye for an eye), rehabilitation (make criminal a part of society again), and Renumeration (heal the harm done community/society).
Well, does FireFox justify a donation? Basically, if you use something all the time, and think it a good product, it probably deserves either a purchase or donation (depending on how it's set up).
As to live without features - I'd suppose it depends on the user. I certainly couldn't live without the progressive rendering that got text on the screen almost instantly when I was still on dial up. I would be severely hampered if I couldn't go back instantly to a form, and not lose the data I inputted already.
Straight up fast rendering saves me time. Time (especially those seconds added up over hours a day) is extremely valuable to me as I can never get wasted time back.
ERA is one of those things that will be huge on mobile devices. And for developers testing for those devices.
As to the less comment, I didn't mean to jump on you. It's just that everytime Opera is mentioned, AdBlock not being part of the default install is mentioned. It get's annoying because: 1) it already exists in many forms 2) you have to set it up separately in FF too 3) For any other feature, the people usually complaining are ok with adding extensions/editing config files
Yeah, I don't know why Opera doesn't let you re-arrange the toolbars. I'd check the customize section of the Opera forums, they have been asked this before, I'm sure.
Except that really doesn't make any sense. The address is part of the page, hence it toggles and changes with the page. I mean, say on a pop-up, or if you resize a window, where would the address bar go? It wouldn't make much sense for it to not be touching the page it applies to. How exactly would one tile pages without a separate address bar as part of the page?
Not that it bothers me, I put my page bar at the bottom of the screen.
Regarding AdBlocking, there's the age old philosophical discussion of whether it belongs in a browser. No browser I'm aware of actually includes it.
There are, however 10 bajillion ways to block ads, ranging from my favorite - proxomitron - to hosts files. So, people are asking for something that already exists. I really see it like wandering around a car dealership bitching how no car has nitro built in. But three blocks down is a shop that puts in aftermarket parts like nitro. It's kind of silly.
I do think Opera has listened to it's users with user js. This allows quite a lot of customizability - to the point that users have already coded some stuff to be very similar to the AdBlock extension, but for Opera.
Not to try and get you to switch:) but I'm rather sure NonTroppo on the Opera forums has a Web Dev toolbar for Opera. Bugmenot works fine as a button in Opera and some js. I have it myself.
Flashblock is accomplished for me via proxomitron, though I'll bet it can be done with User js too.
Totally off topic, but I personally can't understand changing the way I work, or any application on my PC just to get a web site in a commodity market like e-mail to work.
I'd just quickly click on to some other web mail - I mean, they all are free. Though, I do just fine with Eudora too. I personally don't get web mail at all . . .
I don't really remember all the details about Opera 6, as that was what - 3 years ago? But I have to ask, did they actually claim to support Javascript DOM at that time?
Anyway, basing your opinion on Opera 6 is kind of stupid when evaulating Opera 8. I mean, Netscape 4.78 sucked on many webpages too, but I don't say FireFox can't render pages based on my experiance with that version of netscape.
You'll be happy to know that some users are working on just that. When the Opera forums come back, go to the wish list one and search for Opera AdBlock thread. Go to the last page or so, and there will be a discussion about a user JS, User CSS and some C++ code people wrote to do AdBlock.
Or, you could do what I do and use proxomitron and just have most ads gone after install, with no need to go to sites and right click etc...
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Or, you know, you could read the changelog and go alt-p in the general tab uncheck "show close button on each tab".
You know. Just to make it easier.
I do agree the name is pretty much right but totally misleading as to all of what it does.
Ummm, no. It's still there. It's either rolled into the trashcan with blocked pop-ups, or if you go back to the old tab functionality (oddly enough by UNchecking "show x on each tab" [here I think still a bad UI choice, having tab/Advanced Opera Workspace like in the betas made more sense IMHO as the tick changes more than the x's on the tabs, but whatever) it's under the window menu like always.
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Proxomitron is not being developed anymore. Sadly, the writer died. No one has the source that I know of.
There is a clone being developed called Proximodo, search sourceforge for more info.
The filtersets are still being developed, as indicated by the date of the filterset.
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But it is good for those who charge to clean up PCs.
Heck, Opera has the same problem. If sites sent it the code they did for IE or Mozilla, 99% of the time the page works fine. So, Opera IDs as IE much of the time, so pages just work.
What is really frustrating about this is that it is basically web devs go through more work to put in place such scripts, and then users have to go through even more work to "bypass" those scripts, and I think everyone would have an easier time if such things just went away.
Or if they would at least check what the browser accessing the site supports rather than it's name.
Seriously. The reason I stopped using IE was not security. I never got spyware, I know how to protect my PC.
What got me using Opera was originally sheer speed over IE. It's just always been 3x or more faster than IE, and I hate wasting time, or staring at a blank screen like IE is wont to make me do.
Later on, tabbed browsing is another biggie. I love instantly having a new tab, as opposed to waiting a second for a new instance of IE to open.
etc...
Basically, most people switch because of features, especially the ones they can see. Security isn't something they can see, and nothing is perfectly secure.
Well, part of the problem with copyright is the idea that everything, including this post, is copyrighted. We need far more "Opt-In" in this world and far less "Opt-Out".
Personally I'm not that much for an IP tax. It's a good idea, but as postulated, far to complex to end up a moneymaker for anyone in the end, except possibly lawyers.
I would love a few things to happen. One, go back to the old methods of having to assert copyright. You forget to? Too damn bad. It obviously wasn't important enough to you for you to get your shit together.
Second, to assert copyright successfully, sometime during the first month or so of publishing, you need to drop off a non encumbered, fully open copy of the content at the library of congress. Now adays, this shouldn't be too hard, authors could e-mail txt files for god's sake. Musicians could mail a CD, or FTP a wave file. And to forestall any problems - mail your stuff registered mail, return receipt. If you don't have a postmarked mailing date, it doesn't count as received until it actually is at the Library of Congress.
Third, we need to make these things shorter terms. Because I like simple systems, I think we should keep the one term for copyright. However, everything I've seen says if a copyrighted work is going to make money, some huge percentages of them (90%+) do so in the first year or so.
So make copyright last 2 years, with it renewable for a small fee anytime during the last month of copyright. Here's where I'm somewhat ambivalent - I have 2 schemes I could see being OK. First, max renewals out to 14 total years(at 2 years a piece).
Second is nice, renewals are unlimited, however the fee scale is like this (adjusted for inflation):
1st - $100 to renew for another 2 years
2nd - $1,000 to renew for another 2 years
3rd - $10,000 to renew for another 2 years
4th - $100,000 to renew for another 2 years
5th - $1,000,000 to renew for another 2 years
etc. The government gets money, if it's really worth all that, companies can continue their monopoly. And eventually, I don't care if you're bill gates, you have to release the work, because you CAN'T pay the fee anymore. Now that scale may be a little extreme, but it exemplifies my belief in short copyright times.
Maybe a better scale would be doubling the fee
So
1st - $100
2nd - $200
3rd - $400
4th - $800
5th - $1,600
7th - $3,200
8th - $6,400
9th - $12,800
10th - $25,600
The problem here is I do think this minor one isn't enough of a raise, we're out to 22 years, and still not really incentivising mid to large corps to release the copyright. So I like the first.
Lastly, with the requirement of dropping off a copy at the library of congress, it should be very easy to make an internet accessible database of copyrighted works. So that people could easily find if the work they want to copy is still copyrighted or not.
I'm not sure any of the listed issues are simple or have a clear right or wrong side either, at least for people who don't just parrot the "party line" whatever that may be and whoever might be deciding it.
But, that's good. It just means you have to compare DRM as against free speech or something. Something completely wrong, and entirely absence the true nuance of the issue, but that spins it so average people like being on *our* side. Oh, that, and a lot of money for a few months of non-stop tv ads.
Oh, I stand against all sorts of things, including Organized Religions of all stripes. Some of my friends wonder just what there is that I don't dislike. I guess I'm just cynical at 23.
I know, seriously. I don't watch TV anymore, especially not news. And I only occasionally remember to check news.google.com to keep up to speed. When I went back for spring break a couple weeks ago, the first discussion was like:
"Don't you feel sorry for her? I can't believe it."
Me: "Who?"
Them: "Teri Shivo, you know they removed her feeding tube"
Me: "An old friend of your's you haven't mentioned yet?"
Them: "No! That poor woman in Florida"
Me: "We know someone in Florida?"
Them: "We don't know her! She's on the news. "
Me: "Why is this news? Why do we here in NY even care?"
This is starting to happen to me more often than usual. And I get similar reactions when I bring up issues like the patriot act, or DMCA, or the police tracking device on cars issue.
This post spell checked by ASpell.
I'm currently in a criminal justice class, and I have to say, as far as I can tell, deterrance has been thrown out the window as not working at all.
What we use instead now is a mix of punishment (eye for an eye), rehabilitation (make criminal a part of society again), and Renumeration (heal the harm done community/society).
Well, does FireFox justify a donation? Basically, if you use something all the time, and think it a good product, it probably deserves either a purchase or donation (depending on how it's set up).
As to live without features - I'd suppose it depends on the user. I certainly couldn't live without the progressive rendering that got text on the screen almost instantly when I was still on dial up. I would be severely hampered if I couldn't go back instantly to a form, and not lose the data I inputted already.
Straight up fast rendering saves me time. Time (especially those seconds added up over hours a day) is extremely valuable to me as I can never get wasted time back.
ERA is one of those things that will be huge on mobile devices. And for developers testing for those devices.
As to the less comment, I didn't mean to jump on you. It's just that everytime Opera is mentioned, AdBlock not being part of the default install is mentioned. It get's annoying because:
1) it already exists in many forms
2) you have to set it up separately in FF too
3) For any other feature, the people usually complaining are ok with adding extensions/editing config files
So it's a sore spot.
Yeah, I don't know why Opera doesn't let you re-arrange the toolbars. I'd check the customize section of the Opera forums, they have been asked this before, I'm sure.
Except that really doesn't make any sense. The address is part of the page, hence it toggles and changes with the page. I mean, say on a pop-up, or if you resize a window, where would the address bar go? It wouldn't make much sense for it to not be touching the page it applies to. How exactly would one tile pages without a separate address bar as part of the page?
Not that it bothers me, I put my page bar at the bottom of the screen.
Regarding AdBlocking, there's the age old philosophical discussion of whether it belongs in a browser. No browser I'm aware of actually includes it.
There are, however 10 bajillion ways to block ads, ranging from my favorite - proxomitron - to hosts files. So, people are asking for something that already exists. I really see it like wandering around a car dealership bitching how no car has nitro built in. But three blocks down is a shop that puts in aftermarket parts like nitro. It's kind of silly.
I do think Opera has listened to it's users with user js. This allows quite a lot of customizability - to the point that users have already coded some stuff to be very similar to the AdBlock extension, but for Opera.
Not to try and get you to switch :) but I'm rather sure NonTroppo on the Opera forums has a Web Dev toolbar for Opera. Bugmenot works fine as a button in Opera and some js. I have it myself.
Flashblock is accomplished for me via proxomitron, though I'll bet it can be done with User js too.
I don't know about RIP, or what it is (Rest in Peace?? :p ) but O8 has User js, which as I understand it is what Greasemonkey is and more.
I'm not sure of the point here, but that's how it works in Opera...
That's why I turn off the new close buttons on each tab in v8. Don't need them.
Although, I do set middle click to open in a background tab.
Actually, I think there are more FireFox users who are like what you describe.
At least I run into more like that in my web browsing, and I *frequent* the Opera forums lol.
Totally off topic, but I personally can't understand changing the way I work, or any application on my PC just to get a web site in a commodity market like e-mail to work.
I'd just quickly click on to some other web mail - I mean, they all are free. Though, I do just fine with Eudora too. I personally don't get web mail at all . . .
Wow. Weird. Ctrl - T for a new window? Whatever happened to the windows standard ctrl - n?
Anyway, I customize my keyboard shortcuts anyway. Not real hard to do.
No, I don't know that there is a way. I'm just pointing out how Opera does tabs. I won't say it's better or worse, just the way it works.
I don't really remember all the details about Opera 6, as that was what - 3 years ago? But I have to ask, did they actually claim to support Javascript DOM at that time?
Anyway, basing your opinion on Opera 6 is kind of stupid when evaulating Opera 8. I mean, Netscape 4.78 sucked on many webpages too, but I don't say FireFox can't render pages based on my experiance with that version of netscape.
You'll be happy to know that some users are working on just that. When the Opera forums come back, go to the wish list one and search for Opera AdBlock thread. Go to the last page or so, and there will be a discussion about a user JS, User CSS and some C++ code people wrote to do AdBlock.
Or, you could do what I do and use proxomitron and just have most ads gone after install, with no need to go to sites and right click etc...
Or, you know, you could read the changelog and go alt-p
in the general tab uncheck "show close button on each tab".
You know. Just to make it easier.
I do agree the name is pretty much right but totally misleading as to all of what it does.
Ummm, no. It's still there. It's either rolled into the trashcan with blocked pop-ups, or if you go back to the old tab functionality (oddly enough by UNchecking "show x on each tab" [here I think still a bad UI choice, having tab/Advanced Opera Workspace like in the betas made more sense IMHO as the tick changes more than the x's on the tabs, but whatever) it's under the window menu like always.
Proxomitron is not being developed anymore. Sadly, the writer died. No one has the source that I know of.
There is a clone being developed called Proximodo, search sourceforge for more info.
The filtersets are still being developed, as indicated by the date of the filterset.
Proxomitron can/does do that. I use grypens set, and it does that. I have it linked to a dl I host of that in my sig.