Actually it's very consistent. Not necessarily intuitave when you think about it like tabs, but quite intuative when you think of it like windows.
When you close one MDI window, the next highest one shows up (the one you accessed before the one you are closing). Just like in any window manager I've ever used.
O8 has some new tab handling options, I'm not sure whether that affects the issue or not.
The vast majority of websites that don't look quite right in Opera are due to bad code on the site. Many are reported in the Opera forum, and usually within 48hrs, forum members have either identified the bad code and listed both the standard line, and the fixed, standards complient version - or (far less often) submitted a bug report to Opera software.
Also, new in version 8, there is a help menu item to "Report a site" to Opera that doesn't work right, so the devs can check on the issue and fix it if necessary.
Check the forums. Ever since O8 and user js, some forum members have been creating an adblock like program that works like the extension.
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Weird. Have you reported crash bugs to Opera Software? I certainly often have 30 + pages open in 7.54u2 (I just got O8 today) with no crashes. In fact, on my machine, Opera is one of the most stable pieces of software. I have to really work to think of the last time it crashed.
Everyone I know personally who uses Opera on their machines agrees it is extremely stable, and not one has ever said they had it crash.
I wonder about your system, and how stable anything is on it.
I think he means for Opera. Before v8, Opera had different licenses for different operating systems. Basically, if you bought it for windows, you used to have to then buy it for Linux if you wanted to change.
The terms have since changed, likely due to the changing market conditions. One license is now good for an entire household's computers, on any OS.
First, there are adblockers that work with Opera. Proxomitron and AdMuncher being two biggies.
Second, with User JS, some enterprising users have come up with some C++, js and css that gives them something much like the AdBlock extension for Opera 8.
This idea that Opera is less than FF because the company doesn't support adblocking is somewhat asinine, as neither does Mozilla Foundation.
Also, Slashdot seems to have taken down opera.com - a feat.
Actually, Opera Software - like Mozilla Foundation - doesn't support adblocking.
However there are numerous third party solutions, including one that uses User js(new in O8) + User CSS + some scripts or c++ that gives an AdBlock like experiance (i.e. right click + block whatever).
And there is still my favorite for all browsers, Proxomitron.
I'll admit I don't know much if anything about job analysis etc. However, outside ideas aren't always stupid, and they aren't always bad. I certainly wouldn't be mad if you pointed out that my logic in a program example was just crazy, or convoluted. I'd be glad you noticed, because I tend to see what I expect to see, not what is there, especially in my own work.
Do you really think IT is really a skill that can be tested via a multiple choice test? I mean, to some extent, I guess it is, anything could be. But a far more meaningful test IMHO would be like what Cisco does, where it's a lab style test.
I would think a set of problems, with sufficient resources and several hours to fix them in would make a good test. Grade on how many are fixed, weighted by the difficulty. Grade on time.
You know, I really think that a large portion of the population only does "process-oriented" learning vs "object-oriented" learning.
Many many people think I am incredibly smart (though unable to spell worth a damn) because I can set the clocks on most appliances and cars. You know why? (well, you probably do) Because as far as I can tell, there are only 3 major methods for doing so.
There's the one where you press a "set" button, and then look for 2 buttons close to each other that could be hours and minutes.
Or, there's the one that you press a set button, and then hold in the other button that goes up by minutes slowly to say 5, then starts counting by 5's, then at 30 by 30's etc...
Or there's the one where you just hit the hour button and then the minute button.
This is a simple example, but I mean, all GM cars since at least 1989 use the SAME radio/clock interface. Yet most of my family has to be taught again how the cruise control works, how to reset the clock etc... when they get a new car.
I harp on and on about concepts rather than specific buttons to push, but it's hopeless. They just don't get it.
I mean, my parents ask me in every single program if they press the upper right hand X to close it. I'm ready to hit myself in the head!
Actually, Opera makes about 1/3 of their revenues from phones, 1/3 from desktop and the rest from licensing (Adobe GoLive) and premium services like the mobile phone accelerator and their premium web mail.
Ummm, I don't know what world you live in, but I don't consider anything costing $20k disposable. Maybe if it cost $20.
And as far as I can see in Upstate and Western NY, people are keeping cars longer, and buying more used cars than ever before because no one can afford the $20-30k for a new car.
And let my just say (having never read the comics, so just being exposed to the movie) what a fucked up tale that is. It was almost as bad as Kill Bill. Uggg. Almost made me sick.
Just... not happy, not happy at all. I'll definately need to start reading reviews more, because those kinds of movies just bother me.
That's true. I have no idea who's face is on what bill aside from the $1 bill due to where's george.com.
However, not knowing details of a bill denomination, and not knowing of the *existance* of a denomination are two different things. However, even in that case I may not know of all the existing denominations, but I'm not working with cash all day long. It would seem to me that knowing what is legal tender would be part of the training for cashiers, and moreso for managers.
I also think that while the Police probably did follow procedure in detaining the person, I can't see any reasonable justification for cuffing a non-violent person, and then putting leg irons on them, and then (IIRC, read the article when it was on FARK yesterday) taking him out of the store to the jail and cuffing him to a pole there.
I mean, what would lead an officer to cuff a nonviolent person who might *possibly* be a counterfitter like a mass murderer? What ever happened to asking a citizen to please come with the police. I seriously doubt this man would have resisted, or fought with the police. I mean, he *waited in the store* for the cops to arrive!
Yeah, I think you can add in a lot of security if you want to with things like Process Guard or Tiny's WinGuard(I think that's the name). I personally would prefer process guard as it's stand alone (not integrated into a software firewall), but I like to mix and match my solutions for stuff that works well for me.
I get the idea that RBLs want people to switch ISPs. But has anyone considered that for companies and many people, switching ISPs because some idiot decided to put their IP block on MAPS is about as realistic as switching banks because their online banking won't work with Opera?
It's a great ideal, but it's not exactly easy to switch ISPs, especially with the frequency and randomness (and lack of contron on the user's part, they are getting blocked because of what other people are doing) of getting listed, not to mention contracts that may last for a year or more. So it's innocent people getting punished here.
I mean, this is like everyone living in an apartment building loosing their license because one of those people got a DWI.
Well, I haven't found this to be true, though maybe that will change. Anyone who is blocked from recieving e-mail from me due to my running my own server (and I clearly get some sort of spam bounce) get's told their e-mail service is broken, and they'll have to get it fixed if they want me to e-mail them.
Beyone one relative on Road Runner, I haven't had to say this to anyone else. Specifically, I can e-mail any company, Yahoo and Hotmail as well as various colleges accept the mail.
This is what I mean. Why do you basically have to be rich (able to afford more expensive service) to not be associated with spam? As a US citizen, it's an affront to my morals to be assumed gulity.
Luckily, for me anyway so far, I've been able to send mail to most everyone.
I also agree that things like these blocklists are making e-mail less useful for everyone. It's like the bad old days where people on compu-serve couldn't mail those on AOL, except here it's only for those on big networks who get to e-mail.
In this day and age, anyone with any sense who has a legitimate need to run a mail server on a dynamic address also relays through their ISP's mail servers and bypasses blocks like that anyway.
Except that doing that takes away one of the big advantages of running your own mail server, a lack of limits on outgoing attachments. Now, depending on ISP, this may or may not be a big deal, but in 2005, a 2MB attachment limit is rather small.
I personally like running my own e-mail server for several reasons, one IMAP + webmail if I want.
Two, I don't have to change my e-mail address every time I move from college back home for the winter, or when I transferred colleges or go on to Grad School, or change my parents e-mail when we changed ISP's last year or just today to DSL.
Three, buy using my own PC, I can use the free dydns service to have a practically unlimited mailbox size (well 50GB, but...) unlimited e-mail addresses, aliases etc for free as opposed to paying for hosting monthly.
Also, in terms of flat out buying e-mail service, I've found running my own server to be either the equal or better in terms of reliability. For free to me, as I have the PC and net connection regardless of the third party e-mail service.
I personally hate the blocks that spammers and others are forcing on us ligitimate users who want to actually use their PC for stuff. VNC blocks piss me off, because the resnet staff tell me it's a security vulnerability. Well, VNC is free for me to use, I can't afford, nor do I have any desire to pollute my system with the shit of PC Anywhere. I also don't believe PC Anywhere has a Java client you can use from any PC like TightVNC does.
They started blocking things like TOR. FTPS, SSH. I tried to explain to them that SSH is far from unsecure/unauthenticated. I said if they allowed SSH I could then tunnel VNC over that and it wouldn't bother anyone.
They even block IRC Chat! Not just DCC, but you can't even chat. Now DCC has legitmate reasons to be blocked, but chatting? Let me tell you that you can get more info from IRC than you ever could from yahoo (which they allow).
And if you are an astalavista.net member, you can't even use the Java IRC Client.
Anyways, I really get pissed off over the thought that we NEED to have companies being the server to us clients. I think P2P has shown that people are capabile of being PEERS in the internet, like it was designed to be.
And moreso, they(the resnet, or ISPs) consider that users should be second class citizens for whatever reason. Heck, most of the listed "servers" wouldn't touch the bandwidth usage of Kazaa or Bittorrent.
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I understand that viewpoint. I personally take a slightly more idealistic/practical approach.
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I avoid to all extents possible dirt tracks.
And for the big ones I have to go on, I pressure the owners to pave them
Actually it's very consistent. Not necessarily intuitave when you think about it like tabs, but quite intuative when you think of it like windows.
When you close one MDI window, the next highest one shows up (the one you accessed before the one you are closing). Just like in any window manager I've ever used.
O8 has some new tab handling options, I'm not sure whether that affects the issue or not.
Well, you can try/use it for free with either a small strip of google ads or a slightly large generic ad banner.
And, if you're a student you can get academic pricing.
I actually meant a crash log to their bug tracking system, but whatever.
Obviously, your crashes aren't happening to everyone, or there would be more complaints, and it likely would have been fixed by now.
The vast majority of websites that don't look quite right in Opera are due to bad code on the site. Many are reported in the Opera forum, and usually within 48hrs, forum members have either identified the bad code and listed both the standard line, and the fixed, standards complient version - or (far less often) submitted a bug report to Opera software.
Also, new in version 8, there is a help menu item to "Report a site" to Opera that doesn't work right, so the devs can check on the issue and fix it if necessary.
Check the forums. Ever since O8 and user js, some forum members have been creating an adblock like program that works like the extension.
Weird. Have you reported crash bugs to Opera Software? I certainly often have 30 + pages open in 7.54u2 (I just got O8 today) with no crashes. In fact, on my machine, Opera is one of the most stable pieces of software. I have to really work to think of the last time it crashed.
Everyone I know personally who uses Opera on their machines agrees it is extremely stable, and not one has ever said they had it crash.
I wonder about your system, and how stable anything is on it.
What were the reasons?
A specific extension, the license?
You also miss the new features like User js, ERA, SVG Tiny support, and on windows 2k+ (and I assume soon on phones) the voice control and reading.
I think he means for Opera. Before v8, Opera had different licenses for different operating systems. Basically, if you bought it for windows, you used to have to then buy it for Linux if you wanted to change.
The terms have since changed, likely due to the changing market conditions. One license is now good for an entire household's computers, on any OS.
First, there are adblockers that work with Opera. Proxomitron and AdMuncher being two biggies.
Second, with User JS, some enterprising users have come up with some C++, js and css that gives them something much like the AdBlock extension for Opera 8.
This idea that Opera is less than FF because the company doesn't support adblocking is somewhat asinine, as neither does Mozilla Foundation.
Also, Slashdot seems to have taken down opera.com - a feat.
Actually, Opera Software - like Mozilla Foundation - doesn't support adblocking.
However there are numerous third party solutions, including one that uses User js(new in O8) + User CSS + some scripts or c++ that gives an AdBlock like experiance (i.e. right click + block whatever).
And there is still my favorite for all browsers, Proxomitron.
I'll admit I don't know much if anything about job analysis etc. However, outside ideas aren't always stupid, and they aren't always bad. I certainly wouldn't be mad if you pointed out that my logic in a program example was just crazy, or convoluted. I'd be glad you noticed, because I tend to see what I expect to see, not what is there, especially in my own work.
Do you really think IT is really a skill that can be tested via a multiple choice test? I mean, to some extent, I guess it is, anything could be. But a far more meaningful test IMHO would be like what Cisco does, where it's a lab style test.
I would think a set of problems, with sufficient resources and several hours to fix them in would make a good test. Grade on how many are fixed, weighted by the difficulty. Grade on time.
You know, I really think that a large portion of the population only does "process-oriented" learning vs "object-oriented" learning.
Many many people think I am incredibly smart (though unable to spell worth a damn) because I can set the clocks on most appliances and cars. You know why? (well, you probably do) Because as far as I can tell, there are only 3 major methods for doing so.
There's the one where you press a "set" button, and then look for 2 buttons close to each other that could be hours and minutes.
Or, there's the one that you press a set button, and then hold in the other button that goes up by minutes slowly to say 5, then starts counting by 5's, then at 30 by 30's etc...
Or there's the one where you just hit the hour button and then the minute button.
This is a simple example, but I mean, all GM cars since at least 1989 use the SAME radio/clock interface. Yet most of my family has to be taught again how the cruise control works, how to reset the clock etc... when they get a new car.
I harp on and on about concepts rather than specific buttons to push, but it's hopeless. They just don't get it.
I mean, my parents ask me in every single program if they press the upper right hand X to close it. I'm ready to hit myself in the head!
Actually, Opera makes about 1/3 of their revenues from phones, 1/3 from desktop and the rest from licensing (Adobe GoLive) and premium services like the mobile phone accelerator and their premium web mail.
What I don't really get is how they can extend GPL code without then releasing that code as GPL? How are they doing what they do without getting sued?
Ummm, I don't know what world you live in, but I don't consider anything costing $20k disposable. Maybe if it cost $20.
And as far as I can see in Upstate and Western NY, people are keeping cars longer, and buying more used cars than ever before because no one can afford the $20-30k for a new car.
Yeah, but what I don't get is: why didn't you shop around even a little?
Toshiba's cheap laptops $999 with rebate to $750 come with a 1 year warrenty.
And let my just say (having never read the comics, so just being exposed to the movie) what a fucked up tale that is. It was almost as bad as Kill Bill. Uggg. Almost made me sick.
Just... not happy, not happy at all. I'll definately need to start reading reviews more, because those kinds of movies just bother me.
That's true. I have no idea who's face is on what bill aside from the $1 bill due to where's george.com.
However, not knowing details of a bill denomination, and not knowing of the *existance* of a denomination are two different things. However, even in that case I may not know of all the existing denominations, but I'm not working with cash all day long. It would seem to me that knowing what is legal tender would be part of the training for cashiers, and moreso for managers.
I also think that while the Police probably did follow procedure in detaining the person, I can't see any reasonable justification for cuffing a non-violent person, and then putting leg irons on them, and then (IIRC, read the article when it was on FARK yesterday) taking him out of the store to the jail and cuffing him to a pole there.
I mean, what would lead an officer to cuff a nonviolent person who might *possibly* be a counterfitter like a mass murderer? What ever happened to asking a citizen to please come with the police. I seriously doubt this man would have resisted, or fought with the police. I mean, he *waited in the store* for the cops to arrive!
Yeah, I think you can add in a lot of security if you want to with things like Process Guard or Tiny's WinGuard(I think that's the name). I personally would prefer process guard as it's stand alone (not integrated into a software firewall), but I like to mix and match my solutions for stuff that works well for me.
I get the idea that RBLs want people to switch ISPs. But has anyone considered that for companies and many people, switching ISPs because some idiot decided to put their IP block on MAPS is about as realistic as switching banks because their online banking won't work with Opera?
It's a great ideal, but it's not exactly easy to switch ISPs, especially with the frequency and randomness (and lack of contron on the user's part, they are getting blocked because of what other people are doing) of getting listed, not to mention contracts that may last for a year or more. So it's innocent people getting punished here.
I mean, this is like everyone living in an apartment building loosing their license because one of those people got a DWI.
Well, I haven't found this to be true, though maybe that will change. Anyone who is blocked from recieving e-mail from me due to my running my own server (and I clearly get some sort of spam bounce) get's told their e-mail service is broken, and they'll have to get it fixed if they want me to e-mail them.
Beyone one relative on Road Runner, I haven't had to say this to anyone else. Specifically, I can e-mail any company, Yahoo and Hotmail as well as various colleges accept the mail.
This is what I mean. Why do you basically have to be rich (able to afford more expensive service) to not be associated with spam? As a US citizen, it's an affront to my morals to be assumed gulity.
Luckily, for me anyway so far, I've been able to send mail to most everyone.
I also agree that things like these blocklists are making e-mail less useful for everyone. It's like the bad old days where people on compu-serve couldn't mail those on AOL, except here it's only for those on big networks who get to e-mail.
In this day and age, anyone with any sense who has a legitimate need to run a mail server on a dynamic address also relays through their ISP's mail servers and bypasses blocks like that anyway.
Except that doing that takes away one of the big advantages of running your own mail server, a lack of limits on outgoing attachments. Now, depending on ISP, this may or may not be a big deal, but in 2005, a 2MB attachment limit is rather small.
I personally like running my own e-mail server for several reasons, one IMAP + webmail if I want.
Two, I don't have to change my e-mail address every time I move from college back home for the winter, or when I transferred colleges or go on to Grad School, or change my parents e-mail when we changed ISP's last year or just today to DSL.
Three, buy using my own PC, I can use the free dydns service to have a practically unlimited mailbox size (well 50GB, but...) unlimited e-mail addresses, aliases etc for free as opposed to paying for hosting monthly.
Also, in terms of flat out buying e-mail service, I've found running my own server to be either the equal or better in terms of reliability. For free to me, as I have the PC and net connection regardless of the third party e-mail service.
I personally hate the blocks that spammers and others are forcing on us ligitimate users who want to actually use their PC for stuff. VNC blocks piss me off, because the resnet staff tell me it's a security vulnerability. Well, VNC is free for me to use, I can't afford, nor do I have any desire to pollute my system with the shit of PC Anywhere. I also don't believe PC Anywhere has a Java client you can use from any PC like TightVNC does.
They started blocking things like TOR. FTPS, SSH. I tried to explain to them that SSH is far from unsecure/unauthenticated. I said if they allowed SSH I could then tunnel VNC over that and it wouldn't bother anyone.
They even block IRC Chat! Not just DCC, but you can't even chat. Now DCC has legitmate reasons to be blocked, but chatting? Let me tell you that you can get more info from IRC than you ever could from yahoo (which they allow).
And if you are an astalavista.net member, you can't even use the Java IRC Client.
Anyways, I really get pissed off over the thought that we NEED to have companies being the server to us clients. I think P2P has shown that people are capabile of being PEERS in the internet, like it was designed to be.
And moreso, they(the resnet, or ISPs) consider that users should be second class citizens for whatever reason. Heck, most of the listed "servers" wouldn't touch the bandwidth usage of Kazaa or Bittorrent.