You know, that's great(and the law and all), but I don't believe that it is right to be held accountable for an agreement that I was not party to. In that instance, he *didn't* ever sign a contract or agreement with Apple. So in my mind, he ought to be able to say whatever the heck he wants that isn't slander/libel.
I think it's horrible that I can be held legally accountable for: a) figuring out if some information is under an NDA (how the f*ck should I know if I didn't sign it) b) be held legally accountable for contracts/agreements that I didn't agree to or sign.
Interesting question here: if you encrypt your e-mail, even very weakly (ceasar cipher perhaps) - can they still read it legally?
Would it be a DMCA violation? Would that then make it non admissible?
I would ask what, if any, precedents there are regarding phone company provided voicemail...
And perhaps letters sent in care of foo...
My understanding of the above is that the post office would have to let heirs into your PO box... is that true? What about the PO Boxes at private companies like Mail Boxes etc?
Well, being anal and all, what guarantee do you have real mail is sent by who the letter claims to have sent it? And - for e-mail at least, there's always GPG.
One thing, if you try and make a nickname/. in Opera 7.54 (I just tried, and I would guess this hasn't changed in 8) you get an error that nicknames cannot contain (among other things) slashes, backslashes, colons, or periods.
So/. is right out. Too bad really, that would have been awesome. I ended up with sd, no idea if I'll ever remember that though.
One other thing that *sometimes* works on images in that situation is rightclick, load image. It doesn't always work, and I have no idea why.
Well, isn't that what XUL is? I'm not really against scripting in the client (assuming it is sandboxed).
I like the way Opera lets you make your own buttons or menu items or whatever to do complex tasks like copy a link address, open a new page, paste that into the address bar of the new page and go there in that page...
What I don't like is the plug in stuff IE and firefox allow. I have had far too many browser ad ons fubar the browser itself such that you can't remove/fix it. That's bad. Allowing third party integration is just asking for problems, from the above issues to security problems, spyware etc...
Ok, replying to myself - bad form, but/. doesn't let me edit, and I had some good ideas I think.
So, as I said, I don't like how IP works now, but can't see how it would work under OSS for most stuff either.
Here goes, - assuming that copyright died as it is today, or everyone went with GPL style licenses or CC ones
Musicians can still make money for live performances, and for the cover art etc...
Movies still can sell the theater experiance, DVD quality and cover art etc...
Writers still have nicely bound books to sell, high quality printing etc...
Artists still have the original piece of art they can sell or make on comission or whatever...
But software? Software isn't like the rest, it has to be updated for bugs, features, or security vulenerabilities. Most software doesn't have any relevent cover art etc... you might sell.
Selling support? Doesn't that imply that it benefits you to make the software buggy and hard to use so you make money? (maybe that explains MS)
So what will get people high quality software then, if not companies making and selling it?
The further I get into the OSS scene, the more I see software that is incomplete, ugly, undocumented, or abandoned.
So we all could pay developers to fix it up right?
Well, with Opera, I pay $40 and get a polished product, support, and documentation that is up to date and properly edited.
With Eudora, it's similar.
Can I get the same from many OSS products? There are the darlings like FF, Mozilla and Apache (but I have to pay for the last in a commercial setting right?)
There's SuSE Linux... but really, 90 days installation support is pretty weak. The documentation is decent though.
What about any of a hundred things though? I can't get someone for an equivelent amount of money (say under $500) to either update a piece of software like Opera does between versions (or MS Office even) or write documentation for it...
So how does the average user get a similar experiance with most of the OSS software vs most of the Commercial software?
Well, it has a lot to do with how the rendering engines work. Maybe you have been blessed with broadband, but at home on dial up, IE will sit there with a blank screen for 40 seconds... whereas Opera, because it gives more precedence to text, will often have the text part of the page on screen in 5 or 6 seconds...
That's a big difference in getting things done, maybe not technically faster, but seems that way.
I don't know how much you like installing other software (or whether you are on windows), however I think some of either can be fixed with external proxies.
I personally find the best solution for me is Allegrosurf(caching proxy - non free, but I would figure squid would work here as well, I just found this first years ago, still using ancient 4.4 lol) chained to proxomitron for uber site specific settings (I can do ANYTHING to a site with this). Now, proximodo is on sourceforge... OSS clone of proxomitron, compiles natively on linux so... - 0.2 right now, new update pending within the month.
Hey, if you're a coder who liked proxomitron, go over and look into helping out with proximodo!
Well, I see it as the difference between a chevy and a BMW. Sure I can accomplish basically the same thing getting to work in the chevy, but many people prefer the BMW for all sorts of reasons.
Of course, it is really a personal preference. I just dislike the way FireFox looks (and the idea of extensions) - how stupid is that?
It's not logical, but it sure has sold a lot of cars.
Well, so far I cannot remember a vuneralbility in Opera that allows attackers write access to your drive, or allow arbitrary code execution.
The recent vunerabilities have been Java issues(really Sun's issue, and affects all browsers) and phishing issues. AFAIK fixed now.
Also, unlike IE, Opera doesn't integrate into the file system - file:// links fail from websites.
Furthermore, Opera doesn't run ActiveX, and javascript is very sandboxed.
Opera also goes beyond firefox in not allowing third party extensions. This is two edged, one the one side, it limits somewhat what the browser possibly could do, but it also prevents many spyware browser toolbars etc... that are prevelant in IE, and starting to show up for FF.
It also only leaves one point of trust, that of Opera software - so you don't have to worry about malicious extension writers, or the security of their sites...
I have to ask, what sort of business strategy do you see for them to be able to pay the 200 employees they have?
Or do you think they should just close up shop, give away what they currently have done?
I mean, as crazy as it sounds, people need to get paid for their work somehow, or they cannot do it.
I'm not terribly happy with the current IP landscape, or payment methods, but I still cannot come up with any way to get midsize to big projects done with any relialibity without paying developers.
I don't currently have mod points so let me just say +1.
I don't get the whole FLOSS thing, to me the only benefit I see from it is that it is free. If a commercial company or hell, anyone gave me something for free that is similar in capibilities, I see it the same.
I even know some C++, but I certainly couldn't get into the code to do anything. Both are black boxes to me.
I agree with the idea that you are needlessly limiting yourself (severley as I see it) if you will only use FLOSS.
But isn't this just an IE vulnerability at that point... It doesn't do anything until it loads the webpage - which indicates to me the exploit is of the web browser.
Does this exploit work if WMP opens the page in a different browser? Such as Opera? If not, then again we are back to if MS FIXED IE, a whole slew of exploits would be kaput.
Yeah, I refuse to play MMORG games, I just don't see it as worth a monthly fee. I'll pay (up to) $50 for a game, but I won't keep paying. Seems crazy to me.
My point wasn't that you could only create 2 containers, just that most people only would create a couple.
As to the impossibility to prove issue, well, they could hold you indefinately regardless. Hopefully this doesn't stand up for long, and the government will need some proof and to charge you with a crime to hold you again.
This brings to mind all those programs that let you have 2 passwords, one that decrypts prepared stuff, and one that decrypts the real stuff. All of these are for "container" files - or virtual encrypted drives, so it wouldn't be unusual for them to be as big as the containing file system will allow (i.e. 650mb for a cd, 2GB for FAT etc...) as most people would only have one or two encrypted containers for their various stuff, from bank info to pr0n.
Assuming the various products live up to their advertising(that it's not possible to detect if there is a hidden disk or not) how would the government suspect there was more than one set of data?
So... this means that many warez sites are now protected?? I never really thought those disclaimers would be worth anything, but I guess they might just be...
for chewing some gum? With drivecrypt PP and windows, you can at least do the whole one os inside another. Which could let you create a pretty good alibi.
Yes. In Photoshop. Autocad. Visual Studio. etc.. Any professional application. Opera so far seems to be focused on people who want to powersurf the web. Which I happen to like.
Mmm, I just use the web differently I guess. I usually have 5-10 tabs open in Opera, and the favicons help next to the text. I wouldn't mind something like in XP where you can tweak the ALT-TAB (ctrl - Tab in Opera) program list to show screenshots.
But I find the text more than enough to pick things out.
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You know, that's great(and the law and all), but I don't believe that it is right to be held accountable for an agreement that I was not party to. In that instance, he *didn't* ever sign a contract or agreement with Apple. So in my mind, he ought to be able to say whatever the heck he wants that isn't slander/libel.
I think it's horrible that I can be held legally accountable for:
a) figuring out if some information is under an NDA (how the f*ck should I know if I didn't sign it)
b) be held legally accountable for contracts/agreements that I didn't agree to or sign.
Interesting question here: if you encrypt your e-mail, even very weakly (ceasar cipher perhaps) - can they still read it legally? Would it be a DMCA violation? Would that then make it non admissible?
I would ask what, if any, precedents there are regarding phone company provided voicemail...
And perhaps letters sent in care of foo...
My understanding of the above is that the post office would have to let heirs into your PO box... is that true? What about the PO Boxes at private companies like Mail Boxes etc?
That seems to be the closest analogies.
Well, being anal and all, what guarantee do you have real mail is sent by who the letter claims to have sent it? And - for e-mail at least, there's always GPG.
One thing, if you try and make a nickname /. in Opera 7.54 (I just tried, and I would guess this hasn't changed in 8) you get an error that nicknames cannot contain (among other things) slashes, backslashes, colons, or periods.
/. is right out. Too bad really, that would have been awesome. I ended up with sd, no idea if I'll ever remember that though.
So
One other thing that *sometimes* works on images in that situation is rightclick, load image. It doesn't always work, and I have no idea why.
Well, isn't that what XUL is? I'm not really against scripting in the client (assuming it is sandboxed).
I like the way Opera lets you make your own buttons or menu items or whatever to do complex tasks like copy a link address, open a new page, paste that into the address bar of the new page and go there in that page...
What I don't like is the plug in stuff IE and firefox allow. I have had far too many browser ad ons fubar the browser itself such that you can't remove/fix it. That's bad. Allowing third party integration is just asking for problems, from the above issues to security problems, spyware etc...
Ok, replying to myself - bad form, but /. doesn't let me edit, and I had some good ideas I think.
... but really, 90 days installation support is pretty weak. The documentation is decent though.
So, as I said, I don't like how IP works now, but can't see how it would work under OSS for most stuff either.
Here goes, - assuming that copyright died as it is today, or everyone went with GPL style licenses or CC ones
Musicians can still make money for live performances, and for the cover art etc...
Movies still can sell the theater experiance, DVD quality and cover art etc...
Writers still have nicely bound books to sell, high quality printing etc...
Artists still have the original piece of art they can sell or make on comission or whatever...
But software? Software isn't like the rest, it has to be updated for bugs, features, or security vulenerabilities. Most software doesn't have any relevent cover art etc... you might sell.
Selling support? Doesn't that imply that it benefits you to make the software buggy and hard to use so you make money? (maybe that explains MS)
So what will get people high quality software then, if not companies making and selling it?
The further I get into the OSS scene, the more I see software that is incomplete, ugly, undocumented, or abandoned.
So we all could pay developers to fix it up right?
Well, with Opera, I pay $40 and get a polished product, support, and documentation that is up to date and properly edited.
With Eudora, it's similar.
Can I get the same from many OSS products? There are the darlings like FF, Mozilla and Apache (but I have to pay for the last in a commercial setting right?)
There's SuSE Linux
What about any of a hundred things though? I can't get someone for an equivelent amount of money (say under $500) to either update a piece of software like Opera does between versions (or MS Office even) or write documentation for it...
So how does the average user get a similar experiance with most of the OSS software vs most of the Commercial software?
Actually, desktop revenues are about 1/3 of Opera's income. Also, people do buy software.
Well, it has a lot to do with how the rendering engines work. Maybe you have been blessed with broadband, but at home on dial up, IE will sit there with a blank screen for 40 seconds... whereas Opera, because it gives more precedence to text, will often have the text part of the page on screen in 5 or 6 seconds...
That's a big difference in getting things done, maybe not technically faster, but seems that way.
I don't know how much you like installing other software (or whether you are on windows), however I think some of either can be fixed with external proxies.
I personally find the best solution for me is Allegrosurf(caching proxy - non free, but I would figure squid would work here as well, I just found this first years ago, still using ancient 4.4 lol) chained to proxomitron for uber site specific settings (I can do ANYTHING to a site with this). Now, proximodo is on sourceforge... OSS clone of proxomitron, compiles natively on linux so... - 0.2 right now, new update pending within the month.
Hey, if you're a coder who liked proxomitron, go over and look into helping out with proximodo!
Well, I see it as the difference between a chevy and a BMW. Sure I can accomplish basically the same thing getting to work in the chevy, but many people prefer the BMW for all sorts of reasons.
Of course, it is really a personal preference. I just dislike the way FireFox looks (and the idea of extensions) - how stupid is that?
It's not logical, but it sure has sold a lot of cars.
Well, so far I cannot remember a vuneralbility in Opera that allows attackers write access to your drive, or allow arbitrary code execution.
The recent vunerabilities have been Java issues(really Sun's issue, and affects all browsers) and phishing issues. AFAIK fixed now.
Also, unlike IE, Opera doesn't integrate into the file system - file:// links fail from websites.
Furthermore, Opera doesn't run ActiveX, and javascript is very sandboxed.
Opera also goes beyond firefox in not allowing third party extensions. This is two edged, one the one side, it limits somewhat what the browser possibly could do, but it also prevents many spyware browser toolbars etc... that are prevelant in IE, and starting to show up for FF.
It also only leaves one point of trust, that of Opera software - so you don't have to worry about malicious extension writers, or the security of their sites...
I have to ask, what sort of business strategy do you see for them to be able to pay the 200 employees they have?
Or do you think they should just close up shop, give away what they currently have done?
I mean, as crazy as it sounds, people need to get paid for their work somehow, or they cannot do it.
I'm not terribly happy with the current IP landscape, or payment methods, but I still cannot come up with any way to get midsize to big projects done with any relialibity without paying developers.
I don't currently have mod points so let me just say +1.
I don't get the whole FLOSS thing, to me the only benefit I see from it is that it is free. If a commercial company or hell, anyone gave me something for free that is similar in capibilities, I see it the same.
I even know some C++, but I certainly couldn't get into the code to do anything. Both are black boxes to me.
I agree with the idea that you are needlessly limiting yourself (severley as I see it) if you will only use FLOSS.
But isn't this just an IE vulnerability at that point... It doesn't do anything until it loads the webpage - which indicates to me the exploit is of the web browser.
Does this exploit work if WMP opens the page in a different browser? Such as Opera? If not, then again we are back to if MS FIXED IE, a whole slew of exploits would be kaput.
Well, I personally like Eudora for mail (5.2 - not too impressed with 6.x). I'm not afraid to pay for good software, so maybe that's it...
Then again, I also use Opera which I paid for.
Yeah, I refuse to play MMORG games, I just don't see it as worth a monthly fee. I'll pay (up to) $50 for a game, but I won't keep paying. Seems crazy to me.
Well, to your first question - check out Opera. Though I guess that's sort of MDI/Tabs hybrid.
As to why I like a container window? 1 click switch between 2 maximized applications. Just the way I work.
My point wasn't that you could only create 2 containers, just that most people only would create a couple.
As to the impossibility to prove issue, well, they could hold you indefinately regardless. Hopefully this doesn't stand up for long, and the government will need some proof and to charge you with a crime to hold you again.
This brings to mind all those programs that let you have 2 passwords, one that decrypts prepared stuff, and one that decrypts the real stuff. All of these are for "container" files - or virtual encrypted drives, so it wouldn't be unusual for them to be as big as the containing file system will allow (i.e. 650mb for a cd, 2GB for FAT etc...) as most people would only have one or two encrypted containers for their various stuff, from bank info to pr0n.
Assuming the various products live up to their advertising(that it's not possible to detect if there is a hidden disk or not) how would the government suspect there was more than one set of data?
So... this means that many warez sites are now protected?? I never really thought those disclaimers would be worth anything, but I guess they might just be...
for chewing some gum? With drivecrypt PP and windows, you can at least do the whole one os inside another. Which could let you create a pretty good alibi.
Yes. In Photoshop. Autocad. Visual Studio. etc.. Any professional application. Opera so far seems to be focused on people who want to powersurf the web. Which I happen to like.
Mmm, I just use the web differently I guess. I usually have 5-10 tabs open in Opera, and the favicons help next to the text. I wouldn't mind something like in XP where you can tweak the ALT-TAB (ctrl - Tab in Opera) program list to show screenshots.
But I find the text more than enough to pick things out.
Just me though.
Yes. This assumes that the computer is running XP already, and that SP2 doesn't break any necessary software. Neither are givens.
Oh, and SP2 isn't that much more secure as far as I can see.