It's what you do with the information... "so were you planning to think about this, or what? Hey boys, looky here- we got us a free thinker! Tell ya what- you in a heap o' trouble son. We don't like your kind around heah..."
Franklin was a slave owner, and capitalist, but he did seem to be willing to question the validity of these constructs. IIRC he freed his slaves and repudiated that institution, and he was an early proponent of the alienability of private property. And gnupun, IANAL but I thought that patent law was originally intended to get into the public domain that which otherwise would have remained a trade secret. For the benefit of society, not the inventor. If you want to profit from your invention after the patent's short term expires, make me click on the EULA.
As I RTFA I realized that this looks like standard jobsworth cops at large and could happen any day here in the U.S. Too much responsibility too little brains.
I don't run in academic circles so I mostly have these discussions amongst myselves. *rimshot* I find it very complex to think of a solution to the legal disaster that is patent law. First off, we should revisit the spirit of the law, (I don't think lawyers and legislators let that happen very often), and then craft a system to address that purpose. (Again, something that most of our leaders efforts are to thwart.) Originally, "Patent Law" was alleged to be for the benefit of "the people". If any inventor was not motivated enough by any sort of altruism to share his innovation, then a TEMPORARY monopoly was to be granted in order to induce him/her to SHARE the secret. And mankind moves forward. That said, I think the spirit of the law was better served before the time became so extended, and frankly, some things have a patently questionable interpretation. obvious:"one-click" prior art:"human genome". IANAL obviously, and what you said is right, that we have to deal with what the "Law" says reality is. If you're going to bring up Right/Wrong vs. Legal/Illegal,
Not to go quoting Fezzig here, but I have never heard of "inalienable property rights". The "Law" alienates me from my property more than any other offender. I mean, they alienate everyone from "Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit Of Happiness" all of the time, too, (but pretend not to). But man, most of the business of the courts is some asshole alienating some other person of something.
Very clear and concise. Clearly flamebait. *chuckles softly* You're not the first to point out the actual basis of patent law, but you've summed it up very well. I will "contribute" here. I believe that I am here on a temporary basis and doubt the actual validity of any of our so-called "property rights", OTOH I don't think we want to take the discussion in that direction, and I don't want to justify the logic of it, just remember that not everyone agrees with the reality that is currently dominant, nor has it always been so. I think you've elucidated the intent of the patent laws, and that the idea of "intellectual property" is just an extrapolation of "property rights". I think this current debate, properly viewed might expose the tenuous nature of the whole concept of property. but, as I said, we probably shouldn't go there. I personally just try to be a "good steward" more so than exercising my "property rights" YMMV.
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This is what makes slashdot great. Someone posts a link to a mildly interesting/amusing page, and slashdot readers fly off on all sorts of tangents, recursive/off-topic spazzing, &c. All you upset people- don't feed the trolls. Everyone else, enjoy.
I, for one, don't have enough time to surf the net in a TOTALLY random manner, so the occasional link to a good math joke is quite welcome here. YMMV. Is this really such a problem? There are lots of articles that I never even click on, I think you had fair warning on this one.
Dude, Jefferson was quite the (agriculture) geek. One of the first to document human-induced climate change, studied EVERYTHING, donated his library to Congress, &c. Just because he didn't bite the heads off chickens doesn't mean you should doubt his cred.
No, Jeremy, I am not comfortable judging others, it causes a constant struggle of will. I am not a doctor, nor do I claim to have seen a true cross-section of the "Environmentally Sensitive" population. What I personally observed in my 20 years living in the vortex of the Bezerkeley alternative universe is nothing more than my own perceptions. I can think of at least a dozen environmentally disabled people that I personally met while living there, and their body type and complexion differences were not my criteria for "judging" them. My decades of cultural bias led me to believe that their Far-out wackiness and hysterical hypochondria differed somewhat from my self-selected ideal. And their self-prescribed treatments with- yes, crystals and pyramids, differed somewhat with my "conventional theory" of scientific reality.
That practice has a certain appeal. I've given this a lot of thought in the past, and decided that I fear the abusers of that type of system far more than I fear the frivolous/lunatic fringe. YMMV. Say if you, for instance, were wronged by Microsoft. After they destroyed the market for your product and ran you out of business, then you sued them and they spent $14 million kicking your ass in court, what would you say then?
I thought he meant that MORE of these double-blind studies would confirm our assumption that this is codswallop. It was roughly the same ratio of random accuracy for both groups. It all seems so foolish I that I think perhaps a disproportionate amount of the research may have been performed by pyramid/crystal energy scientists and guess who gets quoted in the tabloids?
I used to live near some people like this. A strange and humor-impaired bunch. Like the filthy-speech movement, this IMHO is good to see, e.g. We live in a society where one can apply for redress in court for ANYTHING. OTOH it also serves to piss off the ignorant masses who will soon demand that this sort of "abuse" of the legal system be outlawed. They'll probably say it is necessary to conserve resources for the War On Terror.
Old Indian Trick- hook the hose up to the exhaust on the shop vac & blow the line through. I doubt you could suck anything very far, I'd never even thought of that. Using 3/4" conduit, I've blown cottonballs with thread attached 150' or so, using my own breath. (The thread tickles the lips something fierce, but I didn't have to drag out the vacuum and hook it up.) At 500m maybe you need a leaf blower?
Plowing, eh? Sounds efficient. Can't seem to get Spear&Jackson shovels here anymore. I guess 'murkins aren't supposed to dig trenches by hand. (I should move.) The standard for High Voltage is four feet deep, keeps it a bit safer than 18". Low Voltage or Fiber, the onus is on you. I did 400' of four-inch conduit four foot deep by hand once. Last time, I went with the ditch-witch. Found a sewer line with that. (I knew it was there but the contractor who buried it said it was too deep to worry about, and would not mark it for me. Schmuck.) Once you lay the conduit you can use a shop-vac to blow a cotton puff or a rag with a thread tied to it, to pull a fatter string, then your signal element through the conduit. IIRC Cat-5e is usable for 100 meters. Personally, I'd use fiber or try to engineer a wireless solution. If you run a 18 or 20 ga. copper wire alongside in your trench, the finder guy from the utilities can use it for his signal to mark the location for you. I think orange is the color code for communications, it doesn't matter much.
I was so impressed by the skill of the writer. I thought that Lucas was quite the genius, Director AND Author. Found out later it was ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster.
"Do you suggest that the plant I work at move closer to me, or that the town I live in move closer to it?"
If REASONABLE PEOPLE seized control of our society, this would happen. Fortunately for YOU, there seems to be a shortage of REASON in the CONTROL SECTOR. Where I live in California, Public transportation is about as accessible as the interstate highway for pedestrians. More of an illustration that one should use a car than an actual viable transportation method. When my car broke, my commute averaged six hours per day. But only when every connection went like clockwork. If I stayed a half-hour late at work, the ride home was about four-and-a-half hours. Or more. There are a couple of BART stations (Pittsburg, Daly City) that would be EXCELLENT LOCATIONS for wind turbines, BTW.
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It's what you do with the information... "so were you planning to think about this, or what? Hey boys, looky here- we got us a free thinker! Tell ya what- you in a heap o' trouble son. We don't like your kind around heah..."
Franklin was a slave owner, and capitalist, but he did seem to be willing to question the validity of these constructs. IIRC he freed his slaves and repudiated that institution, and he was an early proponent of the alienability of private property. And gnupun, IANAL but I thought that patent law was originally intended to get into the public domain that which otherwise would have remained a trade secret. For the benefit of society, not the inventor.
If you want to profit from your invention after the patent's short term expires, make me click on the EULA.
As I RTFA I realized that this looks like standard jobsworth cops at large and could happen any day here in the U.S. Too much responsibility too little brains.
I don't run in academic circles so I mostly have these discussions amongst myselves. *rimshot* I find it very complex to think of a solution to the legal disaster that is patent law. First off, we should revisit the spirit of the law, (I don't think lawyers and legislators let that happen very often), and then craft a system to address that purpose. (Again, something that most of our leaders efforts are to thwart.)
Originally, "Patent Law" was alleged to be for the benefit of "the people". If any inventor was not motivated enough by any sort of altruism to share his innovation, then a TEMPORARY monopoly was to be granted in order to induce him/her to SHARE the secret. And mankind moves forward.
That said, I think the spirit of the law was better served before the time became so extended, and frankly, some things have a patently questionable interpretation. obvious:"one-click" prior art:"human genome". IANAL obviously, and what you said is right, that we have to deal with what the "Law" says reality is.
If you're going to bring up Right/Wrong vs. Legal/Illegal,
Not to go quoting Fezzig here, but I have never heard of "inalienable property rights". The "Law" alienates me from my property more than any other offender. I mean, they alienate everyone from "Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit Of Happiness" all of the time, too, (but pretend not to). But man, most of the business of the courts is some asshole alienating some other person of something.
Very clear and concise. Clearly flamebait. *chuckles softly* You're not the first to point out the actual basis of patent law, but you've summed it up very well. I will "contribute" here.
I believe that I am here on a temporary basis and doubt the actual validity of any of our so-called "property rights", OTOH I don't think we want to take the discussion in that direction, and I don't want to justify the logic of it, just remember that not everyone agrees with the reality that is currently dominant, nor has it always been so. I think you've elucidated the intent of the patent laws, and that the idea of "intellectual property" is just an extrapolation of "property rights". I think this current debate, properly viewed might expose the tenuous nature of the whole concept of property. but, as I said, we probably shouldn't go there. I personally just try to be a "good steward" more so than exercising my "property rights" YMMV.
This is what makes slashdot great. Someone posts a link to a mildly interesting/amusing page, and slashdot readers fly off on all sorts of tangents, recursive/off-topic spazzing, &c. All you upset people- don't feed the trolls. Everyone else, enjoy.
I, for one, don't have enough time to surf the net in a TOTALLY random manner, so the occasional link to a good math joke is quite welcome here. YMMV. Is this really such a problem? There are lots of articles that I never even click on, I think you had fair warning on this one.
Dude, Jefferson was quite the (agriculture) geek. One of the first to document human-induced climate change, studied EVERYTHING, donated his library to Congress, &c. Just because he didn't bite the heads off chickens doesn't mean you should doubt his cred.
Computers becoming ubiquitous has truly sucked a lot of the fun out of it. I still like to go look at Yosemite Valley, but I miss the bears.
Until the climate change thaws the perma-frost, I think tar sand oil extraction would be a hellish job. When the bogs thaw it'll get much worse.
They do nothing.
BTW I was just replying to OMNIpotusCOM's Heading of "At least they're not fat". Sorry to those I've offended. I imagine the correlation is random.
No, Jeremy, I am not comfortable judging others, it causes a constant struggle of will. I am not a doctor, nor do I claim to have seen a true cross-section of the "Environmentally Sensitive" population. What I personally observed in my 20 years living in the vortex of the Bezerkeley alternative universe is nothing more than my own perceptions. I can think of at least a dozen environmentally disabled people that I personally met while living there, and their body type and complexion differences were not my criteria for "judging" them. My decades of cultural bias led me to believe that their Far-out wackiness and hysterical hypochondria differed somewhat from my self-selected ideal. And their self-prescribed treatments with- yes, crystals and pyramids, differed somewhat with my "conventional theory" of scientific reality.
"However something else that developed out of our intelligence was logic and the ability for a few people to evaluate empirical evidence."
Fixed that.
IMHO, the ability of the logical mind to override the limbic brain is debatable. Here in this part of the country it is considered unpatriotic to try.
That practice has a certain appeal. I've given this a lot of thought in the past, and decided that I fear the abusers of that type of system far more than I fear the frivolous/lunatic fringe. YMMV. Say if you, for instance, were wronged by Microsoft. After they destroyed the market for your product and ran you out of business, then you sued them and they spent $14 million kicking your ass in court, what would you say then?
Did you think that you were joking? I've seen those for sale.
I thought he meant that MORE of these double-blind studies would confirm our assumption that this is codswallop. It was roughly the same ratio of random accuracy for both groups. It all seems so foolish I that I think perhaps a disproportionate amount of the research may have been performed by pyramid/crystal energy scientists and guess who gets quoted in the tabloids?
Some of my old neighbors were like these people. The (very) few who weren't obese, looked anorexic.
Just what I was thinking. Those inaudible hums give me the creeps as well.
I used to live near some people like this. A strange and humor-impaired bunch. Like the filthy-speech movement, this IMHO is good to see, e.g. We live in a society where one can apply for redress in court for ANYTHING. OTOH it also serves to piss off the ignorant masses who will soon demand that this sort of "abuse" of the legal system be outlawed. They'll probably say it is necessary to conserve resources for the War On Terror.
Old Indian Trick- hook the hose up to the exhaust on the shop vac & blow the line through. I doubt you could suck anything very far, I'd never even thought of that. Using 3/4" conduit, I've blown cottonballs with thread attached 150' or so, using my own breath. (The thread tickles the lips something fierce, but I didn't have to drag out the vacuum and hook it up.) At 500m maybe you need a leaf blower?
Plowing, eh? Sounds efficient. Can't seem to get Spear&Jackson shovels here anymore. I guess 'murkins aren't supposed to dig trenches by hand. (I should move.) The standard for High Voltage is four feet deep, keeps it a bit safer than 18". Low Voltage or Fiber, the onus is on you. I did 400' of four-inch conduit four foot deep by hand once. Last time, I went with the ditch-witch. Found a sewer line with that. (I knew it was there but the contractor who buried it said it was too deep to worry about, and would not mark it for me. Schmuck.) Once you lay the conduit you can use a shop-vac to blow a cotton puff or a rag with a thread tied to it, to pull a fatter string, then your signal element through the conduit. IIRC Cat-5e is usable for 100 meters. Personally, I'd use fiber or try to engineer a wireless solution. If you run a 18 or 20 ga. copper wire alongside in your trench, the finder guy from the utilities can use it for his signal to mark the location for you. I think orange is the color code for communications, it doesn't matter much.
I was so impressed by the skill of the writer. I thought that Lucas was quite the genius, Director AND Author. Found out later it was ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster.
"Do you suggest that the plant I work at move closer to me, or that the town I live in move closer to it?"
If REASONABLE PEOPLE seized control of our society, this would happen. Fortunately for YOU, there seems to be a shortage of REASON in the CONTROL SECTOR.
Where I live in California, Public transportation is about as accessible as the interstate highway for pedestrians. More of an illustration that one should use a car than an actual viable transportation method. When my car broke, my commute averaged six hours per day. But only when every connection went like clockwork. If I stayed a half-hour late at work, the ride home was about four-and-a-half hours. Or more. There are a couple of BART stations (Pittsburg, Daly City) that would be EXCELLENT LOCATIONS for wind turbines, BTW.