How much energy will it take to create these wind turbines?
The last ROEI, Return on Energy Invested or the length of tyme wind genies need to run to produce as much energy as the energy needed to make the genies, was something like 5 years. Given that there are still Jacobs wind turbines still running after 50 years after the last ones were made, that's a pretty good ROEI.
Ditto for the network connecting them to the people who want to use the electricity.
That's the biggest problem to suppling enough electricity everywhere, almost no matter the source of energy. MIT's "Tech Review" published the article "Lifeline for Renewable Power" going over this. Basically HVDC, High-voltage direct current, transmission lines would have to be strung up to distribute electricity from where it's produced to where it's used. It would also require a smart grid. Even without HVDC lines strung up, the power outages or blackouts in the Northeastern US/South Eastern Canada a few years ago showed the power grids need to be upgraded.
Falcon
Pure bull, if your read the EPRI studies EPRI specifically states the cost in building a windmill must not be part of the equation, that is production costs are not included because if the production is included windmills never recoup there cost.
A windmill farm does not produce enough energy to fire the blast furnace that is used to make e-glass (fiberglass).
That is why china is going Nuke, plans for over a 100 nuclear power plants to make fiberglass, they also use gas and oil to fire the furnace which this report knowingly ignores.
Copper is a good point, I have focused on fiberglass, over 200 tons per windmill. the USA needs over 400,000 windmills times 200 tons equals 800,000,000 tons of fiberglass, 1 ton of fiberglass uses 1,000,000 BTU's times 800,000,000,000,000 BTU's of energy.
Now consider that a windmill farms output is actually 70% less than stated and we have a colossal, catastrophic, waste of energy, money and I have not even talked about the pollution that is created making fiberglass.
Wind mills need fiberglass, around 200 tons per windmill, fiberglass is e-glass, e-glass requires a blast furnace that operates between 2600-3100 degrees. How about BTUs, ever consider the amount of energy needed per ton, I think its fair to state 1,200,000 BTU
Ever consider what basic minerals, elements, raw materials needed other than sand.
How about Propene (not propane), Propene comes from oil and only oil, propene demand is larger than the supply, the only way to make more is to refine oil at a faster rate.
Windmills are making oil companies richer due to the raw materials needed, I have only touched on a couple of items, I could go on forever, oil needed for lubrication, amount of Boran used, what about carbon fiber, titanium, copper, brass, etc, etc.
People who think windmills are good for the environment are IGNORANT, the news tells you its good and the sheeple believe.
So many people show thier partisan, closed mind, bias.
It was not a mistake, it was deliberate. A district attorney is obligated under the law to allow a defendant to exam the evidence. Period.
This happens to people all day, everyday. That should scare the hell out of you, it scares me. Essentially it shows that unless you are lucky enough to afford a great attorney you can be convicted on a whim.
I know it happened to me, I had a prosecutor, a district attorney literally make things up during my trail. Bad lawyers let this happen.
This can happen to you, for some of you, it will happen.
Someone on this site will be prosecuted in the future at the whim of a district attorney.
So go ahead and argue that the guy was guilty and all republicans are bad, just think about who will be left to cry out in your defense if you people continue not to see past your own bias and prejudice.
Doesnt sound like you could have many friends if you wont help them unless under certain conditions. Maybe you should just say I dont have the experience to resolve your problem. The way you describe Mac's the only problem your friends do have is with plugging them in, which you explain quite clearly is within your capability.
I have experience dealing with IT personal from india although limited I think its significant.
One I bought Redhat 9.0 pro and had an installation problem. The problem was being handled overseas and the tech there had no clue! He could not resolve my problem, gave me newbee answers and nothing more.
I also got a nice dell computer threw there incompetence, a friend was troubleshooting threw his dell phone support, the computer would not boot, not even to the bios, when I got there the tech in India had him removing his hard drive. It was the third hard drive he had to replace.
So he was pissed and gave me the computer, I just hit control F2 or something like that and it came out of sleep mode.
The tech's in india did not know enough to get a dell computer out of the sleep mode. They had him replace 3 hard drives over a years time, and they are all good.
Companies are going to lose billions going overseas, in poor products and worst support. The IT people in india have no clue and are too far removed from american culture to develop significant products.
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How much energy will it take to create these wind turbines?
The last ROEI, Return on Energy Invested or the length of tyme wind genies need to run to produce as much energy as the energy needed to make the genies, was something like 5 years. Given that there are still Jacobs wind turbines still running after 50 years after the last ones were made, that's a pretty good ROEI.
Ditto for the network connecting them to the people who want to use the electricity.
That's the biggest problem to suppling enough electricity everywhere, almost no matter the source of energy. MIT's "Tech Review" published the article "Lifeline for Renewable Power" going over this. Basically HVDC, High-voltage direct current, transmission lines would have to be strung up to distribute electricity from where it's produced to where it's used. It would also require a smart grid. Even without HVDC lines strung up, the power outages or blackouts in the Northeastern US/South Eastern Canada a few years ago showed the power grids need to be upgraded.
Falcon
Pure bull, if your read the EPRI studies EPRI specifically states the cost in building a windmill must not be part of the equation, that is production costs are not included because if the production is included windmills never recoup there cost. A windmill farm does not produce enough energy to fire the blast furnace that is used to make e-glass (fiberglass). That is why china is going Nuke, plans for over a 100 nuclear power plants to make fiberglass, they also use gas and oil to fire the furnace which this report knowingly ignores.
Copper is a good point, I have focused on fiberglass, over 200 tons per windmill. the USA needs over 400,000 windmills times 200 tons equals 800,000,000 tons of fiberglass, 1 ton of fiberglass uses 1,000,000 BTU's times 800,000,000,000,000 BTU's of energy. Now consider that a windmill farms output is actually 70% less than stated and we have a colossal, catastrophic, waste of energy, money and I have not even talked about the pollution that is created making fiberglass.
Wind mills need fiberglass, around 200 tons per windmill, fiberglass is e-glass, e-glass requires a blast furnace that operates between 2600-3100 degrees. How about BTUs, ever consider the amount of energy needed per ton, I think its fair to state 1,200,000 BTU Ever consider what basic minerals, elements, raw materials needed other than sand. How about Propene (not propane), Propene comes from oil and only oil, propene demand is larger than the supply, the only way to make more is to refine oil at a faster rate. Windmills are making oil companies richer due to the raw materials needed, I have only touched on a couple of items, I could go on forever, oil needed for lubrication, amount of Boran used, what about carbon fiber, titanium, copper, brass, etc, etc. People who think windmills are good for the environment are IGNORANT, the news tells you its good and the sheeple believe.
So many people show thier partisan, closed mind, bias. It was not a mistake, it was deliberate. A district attorney is obligated under the law to allow a defendant to exam the evidence. Period. This happens to people all day, everyday. That should scare the hell out of you, it scares me. Essentially it shows that unless you are lucky enough to afford a great attorney you can be convicted on a whim. I know it happened to me, I had a prosecutor, a district attorney literally make things up during my trail. Bad lawyers let this happen. This can happen to you, for some of you, it will happen. Someone on this site will be prosecuted in the future at the whim of a district attorney. So go ahead and argue that the guy was guilty and all republicans are bad, just think about who will be left to cry out in your defense if you people continue not to see past your own bias and prejudice.
Doesnt sound like you could have many friends if you wont help them unless under certain conditions. Maybe you should just say I dont have the experience to resolve your problem. The way you describe Mac's the only problem your friends do have is with plugging them in, which you explain quite clearly is within your capability.
ten people in India still wont be able to resolve a problem and the reason they dont belittle you is they know less than you do.
I have experience dealing with IT personal from india although limited I think its significant. One I bought Redhat 9.0 pro and had an installation problem. The problem was being handled overseas and the tech there had no clue! He could not resolve my problem, gave me newbee answers and nothing more. I also got a nice dell computer threw there incompetence, a friend was troubleshooting threw his dell phone support, the computer would not boot, not even to the bios, when I got there the tech in India had him removing his hard drive. It was the third hard drive he had to replace. So he was pissed and gave me the computer, I just hit control F2 or something like that and it came out of sleep mode. The tech's in india did not know enough to get a dell computer out of the sleep mode. They had him replace 3 hard drives over a years time, and they are all good. Companies are going to lose billions going overseas, in poor products and worst support. The IT people in india have no clue and are too far removed from american culture to develop significant products.