So what is the comparable figure in the US ? Or are you just equivocating ? What is the best MPG available in the states for a pure petrol or diesel engined vehicle ? (convert to UK gallons for extra points)
For the trolls this is bad because it impacts their nascent desire to rip us off in the same way as the current corporations are doing. That is what Liberals are all about. The right to rip people off and not feel bad about it. So they defend the incumbents because they identify with them. If you've got a container load of TVs to shift, you don't want to be stuck with them. No further explanation needed. (apart from universal condemnation and derision I hope)
Yeah, next time they (voluntarily) buy a new tv they will have to buy something that will be more energy efficient. Oh fucking dear. And how much more expensive will it be ? No more expensive than the last one. Meanwhile California continues to exist on borrowed time because they have exhausted the Colorado river and will die of thirst within 20 years. Why don't you buy an island somewhere and expire quietly ?
Yeah, right. Let's put off saving power, money and the planet because a few bankers had a hard time. If you're gonna do it, do it now, whenever now is. It will only be harder later. When you're down, another kick doesn't really matter. When you're up, it's a big deal. Get a life.
And where are you located ? The US average car engine is over 2 litres. the average US citizen uses way more electricity than any European. What makes you think they are similar in energy usage on anything ? It would be well worth some Taiwanese firm to fit obsolete PSUs to US destined TV's because they're the only place left to get rid of them ! (at least until the regulators catch up with them) It makes me laugh. when the RIAA push an outdated model everybody complains, but outdated TV's, fine, go ahead. If the state had mandated against power saving everybody would be complaining about that too. Why don't you all just stay out of it if you don't like it. From what I can see, if there was a water shortage, you would all be gunning each other down because you each have the RIGHT to water.
Haven't you noticed that if you all have the same rights, then your right is no more important than anybody elses'?
You have no point other than let the corporations take what they want and fuck the people. How can you argue that, other than ridicule ? How many strings on your banjo mate ?
What the consumers purchase is a direct result of WHAT IS AVAILABLE ! What is available is set by higher powers. Are you arguing that if you can't buy it, you shouldn't be able to ? Or would you prefer being offered the best that you can get (what the corporations are prepared to offer) ?
It's cunts like you that have done your best to destroy the constitution. The constitution is supposed to protect the people not the thieving assholes who prey upon them. Besides which, no-body is forced to buy a new TV ever, so how totalitarianism comes into it I don't know. This is not the consumers being dictated to, it is the producers, who enjoy the toleration and licence of the government. They can kick up fuck if they like. It has nothing to do with the consumers. Do you think an energy efficient TV displays pictures somehow worse than an energy hog TV ? Should we allow people to waste energy when the national interest is in conserving it ?
I would really hate to see you lot at war. I mean a real war, where you get short of supplies. You would be killing each other within weeks.
So it's ok for a company to produce baby food with melamine in as long as their directors have to pay more to buy that same polluted product ? Where does that leave the public ? Should we just issue refunds ?
Arnold is disputing the idea that all renewable energy used in CA be generated in CA. Fixed that for you. He doesn't care where it comes from. Fair play to the man. He's doing a better job than most US officials. Surprising considering he isn't a career politician. Or is that the reason ?
Jeezus H christ. Do you believe in a representative govt. or not ? Whose job is it to get the best value for money for the citizens, the people selling the shit, or the people ? Is it OK for corporations to exploit and pollute at will or should "the people" prevent them fucking us over like that ? You are free to be a criminal after all, but the consequences are dealt with by the state. Or do you suggest the criminals write their own laws ?
Pick a side and stick to it. Don't act like corporate hegemony is the forgone conclusion, and you have to persuade people away from it. The people are right, whatever the corporations say or want.
I hate to break it to you but people were taking package holidays on jets way before Concorde first flew. Cheap air fares are not a result of the failure of concorde. Concorde was profitable, and it was only the decision of the airframe maintainers that lead to its withdrawal from service. Not because it was unsafe, but because it was old and politically unsound. It may have cost 5000 to fly on concorde, but that was because there were only a few of them. If there had been hundreds, then the per flight cost would have been much lower. It was not 5000 in fuel per person. It was 5000 because there were only 100 seats per flight. You pay for the privilege. I thought that was why we wanted ubiquitous space flight, to bring the price down. At this rate you'll treat it the same as Concorde and give up because it costs too much with only 2 shuttles. Oh wait...
Not "that and" anything. Concorde had one crash, ever, a good 20 odd years after the stupid woman in NY complained about the noise. You wouldn't hear it over the cars these days. Concorde was making a profit. Politics took that bird down, the same as every other British technological advance since the US became the saviour of the human race. Our rocketry was part of the space race, our technology and innovation helped create satellites, manned rockets, computers and the atom bomb, and yet here we are buying shit from the US of A. So much for trans-atlantic cooperation. We cooperate, you sell us the results. cheers. 10 to 1 the next supersonic airplane looks just like concorde. I wonder if we'll get royalties ?
Unless you are significantly over 30 you won't realise what you're saying. 6 years is 6 wasted years. When you reach 40 you see that 1 year is nothing. Time speeds by, and nobody does anything ! Oh to be young and have all the time in the world. I just hope you do have the time you need. Don't expect me to stop pushing though...
Javascript is a SCRIPTING language, not a programming language. Give it the respect it deserves, i.e. not much. Pretty soon HTML is going to be classed as a low level language at this rate. What's next, a scripted interface to VB ? {yeah, I know }
This is quite true, and I agree. But this time it's not a con. I still wouldn't do it though. People come to free software, or else they do without. But you know zealots...
If google are going to assume rights over my work, without paying me for it, then I will not write. Why should I work for free ? Do you really think I have greater marketing power than google ?
And no, this is not piracy come home to roost. I don't care if individuals take and read my work without paying. I seriously object to a massive corporation taking my work and making money from it, without giving me my dues. Google are legally monetising piracy here. If you can't see the difference, well, sucks to be you.
I have a sad hope that google might actually forward royalties based on page impressions to the authors, even though they don't have to. Show some appreciation. But I'm pissing in the wind I guess.
You dismissed his argument then supported it. Please think before posting. (how many hands have you got ?) If google have online publishing rights, what happened to your rights as the author ? Or the rest of us as members of the public domain ? Shouldn't these rights be the property of the state, i.e. the US, not a corporation ?
Maybe I'm misled, and it is perfectly legal for me to publish out of print books once this thing is settled, but I have a sneaking suspicion that only google have the rights now.
Well spotted, and not only do you do that, you also make google the rights holder with the govt. being tied by contract. Let's let google handle the economy shall we ? Anything else we can put in the hands of profit driven private enterprise ? speaking as a UK resident, we gave gas, electricity and water over to private enterprise and they are all, without exception, owned by foreign powers and are much more expensive. Even though the public purse had paid dearly to develop the infrastructure. Go you liberals. I fully support forcible renationalisation, with no recompense, because they have stolen the profits from organisations I was a shareholder of, which were sold out from under me, and the service has got worse ! Where has MY investment gone ? I didn't play the stock market, I invested in powerlines, water mains, gas pipelines and oil rigs. Some stupid bitch took the quick profit and now I'M paying for it. Thanks a lot. Unless I'm mistaken, there are 60 million of us and less than 1000 oligarchs. FUCK THEM !
And do you know how they slipped that past us ? They said that we would have regulators in place to make sure these private companies acted in our best interests. And who are the regulators ? People who kiss corporate ass and get appointed chief of unelected QUANGOs. Here's 100 grand a year to be in charge. You don't have to attend, we'll take care of it.
Burn the fuckers down !
this may seem like a rant, but google are getting a long way on goodwill. Sure they promise not to be evil, but we trusted the govt. not to be evil, and they work for us ! Now we are expected to voluntarily give power to a private corporation, who can only legally have their shareholders interests at heart. say goodbye to restricted copyright terms, fair use, freedom of information. These fuckers will own it all. You will be working a good proportion of your life just to pay google for access to your own data. Mark my words.
I think you need to stop loving it quite so much. Freeview varies in quality depending on the channel, but it's transmitted at 720x576 or less, and with 2-3Mbit average bandwidth.
The only reason some of those are lower resolution is because the program they are showing is lower resolution. 50s cowboy movies, Trek, and old episodes of soaps. I misremembered the vertical resolution in my previous post but the horizontal is right. By my calculations the average bitrate is 13.4 Mbps.
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So what is the comparable figure in the US ? Or are you just equivocating ? What is the best MPG available in the states for a pure petrol or diesel engined vehicle ? (convert to UK gallons for extra points)
For the trolls this is bad because it impacts their nascent desire to rip us off in the same way as the current corporations are doing. That is what Liberals are all about. The right to rip people off and not feel bad about it. So they defend the incumbents because they identify with them. If you've got a container load of TVs to shift, you don't want to be stuck with them. No further explanation needed. (apart from universal condemnation and derision I hope)
Yeah, next time they (voluntarily) buy a new tv they will have to buy something that will be more energy efficient. Oh fucking dear. And how much more expensive will it be ? No more expensive than the last one. Meanwhile California continues to exist on borrowed time because they have exhausted the Colorado river and will die of thirst within 20 years. Why don't you buy an island somewhere and expire quietly ?
Yeah, right. Let's put off saving power, money and the planet because a few bankers had a hard time. If you're gonna do it, do it now, whenever now is. It will only be harder later. When you're down, another kick doesn't really matter. When you're up, it's a big deal. Get a life.
And where are you located ? The US average car engine is over 2 litres. the average US citizen uses way more electricity than any European. What makes you think they are similar in energy usage on anything ? It would be well worth some Taiwanese firm to fit obsolete PSUs to US destined TV's because they're the only place left to get rid of them ! (at least until the regulators catch up with them) It makes me laugh. when the RIAA push an outdated model everybody complains, but outdated TV's, fine, go ahead. If the state had mandated against power saving everybody would be complaining about that too. Why don't you all just stay out of it if you don't like it. From what I can see, if there was a water shortage, you would all be gunning each other down because you each have the RIGHT to water.
Haven't you noticed that if you all have the same rights, then your right is no more important than anybody elses'?
You have no point other than let the corporations take what they want and fuck the people. How can you argue that, other than ridicule ? How many strings on your banjo mate ?
What the consumers purchase is a direct result of WHAT IS AVAILABLE ! What is available is set by higher powers. Are you arguing that if you can't buy it, you shouldn't be able to ? Or would you prefer being offered the best that you can get (what the corporations are prepared to offer) ?
Do you live there ?
if not, fuck off and die. (You will if you keep that attitude up.)
FUCK OFF !
It's cunts like you that have done your best to destroy the constitution. The constitution is supposed to protect the people not the thieving assholes who prey upon them. Besides which, no-body is forced to buy a new TV ever, so how totalitarianism comes into it I don't know. This is not the consumers being dictated to, it is the producers, who enjoy the toleration and licence of the government. They can kick up fuck if they like. It has nothing to do with the consumers. Do you think an energy efficient TV displays pictures somehow worse than an energy hog TV ? Should we allow people to waste energy when the national interest is in conserving it ?
I would really hate to see you lot at war. I mean a real war, where you get short of supplies. You would be killing each other within weeks.
So it's ok for a company to produce baby food with melamine in as long as their directors have to pay more to buy that same polluted product ? Where does that leave the public ? Should we just issue refunds ?
How self-sacrificing of you.
Arnold is disputing the idea that all renewable energy used in CA be generated in CA. Fixed that for you. He doesn't care where it comes from. Fair play to the man. He's doing a better job than most US officials. Surprising considering he isn't a career politician. Or is that the reason ?
Yeah, right. We're so using much less power than last year. Dick.
Jeezus H christ. Do you believe in a representative govt. or not ? Whose job is it to get the best value for money for the citizens, the people selling the shit, or the people ? Is it OK for corporations to exploit and pollute at will or should "the people" prevent them fucking us over like that ? You are free to be a criminal after all, but the consequences are dealt with by the state. Or do you suggest the criminals write their own laws ?
Pick a side and stick to it. Don't act like corporate hegemony is the forgone conclusion, and you have to persuade people away from it. The people are right, whatever the corporations say or want.
Dick Head.
I hate to break it to you but people were taking package holidays on jets way before Concorde first flew. Cheap air fares are not a result of the failure of concorde. Concorde was profitable, and it was only the decision of the airframe maintainers that lead to its withdrawal from service. Not because it was unsafe, but because it was old and politically unsound. It may have cost 5000 to fly on concorde, but that was because there were only a few of them. If there had been hundreds, then the per flight cost would have been much lower. It was not 5000 in fuel per person. It was 5000 because there were only 100 seats per flight. You pay for the privilege. I thought that was why we wanted ubiquitous space flight, to bring the price down. At this rate you'll treat it the same as Concorde and give up because it costs too much with only 2 shuttles. Oh wait ...
Not "that and" anything. Concorde had one crash, ever, a good 20 odd years after the stupid woman in NY complained about the noise. You wouldn't hear it over the cars these days. Concorde was making a profit. Politics took that bird down, the same as every other British technological advance since the US became the saviour of the human race. Our rocketry was part of the space race, our technology and innovation helped create satellites, manned rockets, computers and the atom bomb, and yet here we are buying shit from the US of A. So much for trans-atlantic cooperation. We cooperate, you sell us the results. cheers. 10 to 1 the next supersonic airplane looks just like concorde. I wonder if we'll get royalties ?
Unless you are significantly over 30 you won't realise what you're saying. 6 years is 6 wasted years. When you reach 40 you see that 1 year is nothing. Time speeds by, and nobody does anything ! Oh to be young and have all the time in the world. I just hope you do have the time you need. Don't expect me to stop pushing though ...
Javascript is a SCRIPTING language, not a programming language. Give it the respect it deserves, i.e. not much. Pretty soon HTML is going to be classed as a low level language at this rate. What's next, a scripted interface to VB ? {yeah, I know }
No it won't you fucking gigantic douchebag. However, the reverse is certainly not the case.
This is quite true, and I agree. But this time it's not a con. I still wouldn't do it though. People come to free software, or else they do without. But you know zealots ...
If google are going to assume rights over my work, without paying me for it, then I will not write. Why should I work for free ? Do you really think I have greater marketing power than google ?
And no, this is not piracy come home to roost. I don't care if individuals take and read my work without paying. I seriously object to a massive corporation taking my work and making money from it, without giving me my dues. Google are legally monetising piracy here. If you can't see the difference, well, sucks to be you.
I have a sad hope that google might actually forward royalties based on page impressions to the authors, even though they don't have to. Show some appreciation. But I'm pissing in the wind I guess.
You dismissed his argument then supported it. Please think before posting. (how many hands have you got ?)
If google have online publishing rights, what happened to your rights as the author ? Or the rest of us as members of the public domain ? Shouldn't these rights be the property of the state, i.e. the US, not a corporation ?
Maybe I'm misled, and it is perfectly legal for me to publish out of print books once this thing is settled, but I have a sneaking suspicion that only google have the rights now.
I fully support forcible renationalisation, with no recompense, because they have stolen the profits from organisations I was a shareholder of, which were sold out from under me, and the service has got worse ! Where has MY investment gone ? I didn't play the stock market, I invested in powerlines, water mains, gas pipelines and oil rigs. Some stupid bitch took the quick profit and now I'M paying for it. Thanks a lot. Unless I'm mistaken, there are 60 million of us and less than 1000 oligarchs. FUCK THEM !
And do you know how they slipped that past us ? They said that we would have regulators in place to make sure these private companies acted in our best interests. And who are the regulators ? People who kiss corporate ass and get appointed chief of unelected QUANGOs. Here's 100 grand a year to be in charge. You don't have to attend, we'll take care of it.
Burn the fuckers down !
this may seem like a rant, but google are getting a long way on goodwill. Sure they promise not to be evil, but we trusted the govt. not to be evil, and they work for us ! Now we are expected to voluntarily give power to a private corporation, who can only legally have their shareholders interests at heart. say goodbye to restricted copyright terms, fair use, freedom of information. These fuckers will own it all. You will be working a good proportion of your life just to pay google for access to your own data. Mark my words.
Oh really ?
The only reason some of those are lower resolution is because the program they are showing is lower resolution. 50s cowboy movies, Trek, and old episodes of soaps. I misremembered the vertical resolution in my previous post but the horizontal is right. By my calculations the average bitrate is 13.4 Mbps.