could cause a shift from the ampere measure of current to a smaller, more precise unit of measurement for electrical current
This made no sense to me, and it turns out that what the article says is that one might want to formulate a new definition of the ampere. What do the editors do, really?
The test where you talk to a bot to see how long you can make it look like a conversation between humans. (You lose if it ends before the bot even has had a chance to say anything.)
It's interesting that you mention left wing, because already when you said right wing, I wondered what you meant by it. I'm often fuzzy regarding what should be called one or the other (if the terms are at all relevant outside the French revolution), so I'm collecting samples of how other people use the words. Today, I'm sampling you.:-) What do you have in mind when you call Hitler the movement right wing? (Amusingly, we're talking about the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but what's in a name?) Supporting the crown and the estates? Dismantling the state ("taxation is theft")? Encouraging capitalism? Belief in Christian ideals? Those are traits that I see as characterising the Right in one context or another. (Though I don't see them as particularly representative of the Nazis.)
So, ITA Software makes an "airfare search and pricing" according to Wikipedia. Is there a big deal around this? Is that a problem that requires a sophisticated algorithm? I mean, how can you run a big company around this? If there is something technically interesting to it, it would be nice to know. (Also, it would be a motivation for bringing this story up on Slashdot at all.)
or ever flirted with someone using innuendo so skillfully that anyone observing mid-conversation would be unable to tell any kind of flirting was going on
Breaking one of the rules of grammar, say, by using while the way the Slashdot summary does, might be the means by which one conveys precisely that innuendo. If the speaker overall cares very little about the rules, I'm afraid no one would perceive their intentions as that subtle signal would be drowned in the flood of noise.
Except it would mess with how the internet is supposed to work. And this could lead to some serious drawbacks if Universities/Research Labs have to start paying MORE for Internet access. This could potentially lead on an increase on price on a lot of things. Internet access is a cost. If you let them go free on whatever they want, that cost may(will) go up.
Mess up how the Internet is supposed to work? I'm not sure I follow you. Why would there be drawbacks if specifically universities and labs paid more as opposed to if everyone else paid more? What if prices do go up? Lot's of things cost me more than I would like them to. Can you make all prices go down, please? Except when I sell something. I'm afraid I'm not convinced by your argument.
Cool. And when I find you lying in the street having a heart-attack or stroke, I'll just stand there and stare at you because I have no phone on account of there being no contract that was actually usable.
Communication is too important to be left to the "invisible hand".
Let's just peacefully explore the issue. I'm still trying to find my own stance here, entertaining opinions without necessarily embracing them, putting forward an argument to see what will be said against it.
Firstly, I don't think it would ever go that far. If no one is using a phone at all, then certainly there is money to be made from providing a service that is at least usable. At least as much I'd say we can expect from the invisible hand. Secondly, some would argue that regardless of whether I die or not, it is immoral to force anyone (a telecommunications provider) to offer services it doesn't want to offer. Taking it further, what if we, the people, felt we needed communications services and forced you to provide them? If the invisible hand hadn't already compelled you to provide it, would you be fine with the visible hand "compelling" you?
You sound like someone who just had their first economy class and is high on free market ideals.
Hey, are you trying to discredit me as someone who has taken an economics class or someone who has taken too few of them?
Because they collude and no telco will offer the service that people want at a reasonable price, that's why.
I'm gonna be a bit contrarian here, in part because it's an interesting issue to explore. Allow them to collude, I say! If you and I decide to start offering a service and also decide to be all colluding about it, what right does others have to prevent us? If they don't accept our offer, they can just say "no" and go on without it.
No one has any obligation to offer you any service at a price you find reasonable. No one has any obligation to offer you any service at all, even. If you don't find the price reasonable, walk on by. I do that with Ferraris every day.
Also, telcos and ISPs shouldn't be allowed to interfere with traffic in any way shape or form beyond what's necessary to make sure it's delivered to its proper destination.
If someone wants to offer a service wherein they alter the messages sent, let them! They might be a disgrace in the eyes of people like you and med who want a clean and tidy communications channel, but there is no wrongdoing in offering a service we don't want.
Why don't we just choose the provider that gives us the best offer - for example the one that let's us use audio-over-the-internet, maybe at a higher prize?
Let providers be free to make whatever offers they want and let others be free to accept or decline.
I have two words for you: significant figures. Everything else is just noise...metric noise.
Aghnnn! I'm not at all at ease with having the number of digits written out signify the uncertainty. That's just not very elegant. By that method, you can only express certain ranges (for example "1.45 to 1.55", but neither "1.44 to 1.54" nor "-5 to 17") and it's even dependent on what base you write in! Rather, give uncertainty as a separate number.
Even more sophisticated would be to specify a probability distribution over possible values, but in the above discussion I assume that one wished to express the uncertainty as a range with sharp boundaries.
In case anyone wonders, I do myself practise the "significant digits" method when the social context calls for it and I want to please people (so that they give me money, for example), but whenever I can, I follow my heart and do what's right.
I'm afraid I don't follow you. The M-W definition is consistent with what I had in mind. Maybe I should explain what I meant, in case it was misunder stood.
Pro primo, let us establish that we agree on the following usage: "Our company has set no standard regarding what file format to write text documents in, but everyone has gravitated toward LaTeX, so it is the de facto standard." Pro secundo, I interpret my sentence about the CMS analogously, like so: "The CMS was never intended to be a style guide, but everyone is using it as such anyway." Of course, it was intended to be a style guide all along, hence my picking on the formulation in the book review. If the CMS is the dominating style guide, you could say that it is the "de facto standard when it comes to style guides", though not an actual, official standard.
I could also be all wrong; that wouldn't be unprecedented.
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You be the... "judge".
And you're the man!
Just $10M Keeping "Red Neck Rocket Scientist" From Reaching Space
- Good day, I'd like to keep the red neck rocket scientist from reaching space.
- That would be ten million dollars, please.
could cause a shift from the ampere measure of current to a smaller, more precise unit of measurement for electrical current
This made no sense to me, and it turns out that what the article says is that one might want to formulate a new definition of the ampere. What do the editors do, really?
I told you we would find them!
For the record, I like Opera. :)
But, what about on the stage?
The test where you talk to a bot to see how long you can make it look like a conversation between humans. (You lose if it ends before the bot even has had a chance to say anything.)
On some phone systems (for example Luxembourg during the eighties), only the caller can hang up a line.
cpu6502, do you remember if you were in Luxembourg in the eighties when this happened?
Are you trying to make the argument that: socialist==left wing therefore everything with socialist in it's name must be left wing?
Absolutely not. My Shakespeare quote was there precisely to ensure you that I do not automatically believe that someone is what they say they are.
Wonderful reply! I like the symmetry of it and how you manage to bash both sides. :-) Perhaps you're even right. I mean, correct.
It's interesting that you mention left wing, because already when you said right wing, I wondered what you meant by it. I'm often fuzzy regarding what should be called one or the other (if the terms are at all relevant outside the French revolution), so I'm collecting samples of how other people use the words. Today, I'm sampling you. :-) What do you have in mind when you call Hitler the movement right wing? (Amusingly, we're talking about the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but what's in a name?) Supporting the crown and the estates? Dismantling the state ("taxation is theft")? Encouraging capitalism? Belief in Christian ideals? Those are traits that I see as characterising the Right in one context or another. (Though I don't see them as particularly representative of the Nazis.)
So, ITA Software makes an "airfare search and pricing" according to Wikipedia. Is there a big deal around this? Is that a problem that requires a sophisticated algorithm? I mean, how can you run a big company around this? If there is something technically interesting to it, it would be nice to know. (Also, it would be a motivation for bringing this story up on Slashdot at all.)
A friend of mine had to have surgery. His is only a semicolon now.
For us who aren't familiar with this visa system, whom did Palmer do a service by calling attention to the situation?
or ever flirted with someone using innuendo so skillfully that anyone observing mid-conversation would be unable to tell any kind of flirting was going on
Breaking one of the rules of grammar, say, by using while the way the Slashdot summary does, might be the means by which one conveys precisely that innuendo. If the speaker overall cares very little about the rules, I'm afraid no one would perceive their intentions as that subtle signal would be drowned in the flood of noise.
Except it would mess with how the internet is supposed to work. And this could lead to some serious drawbacks if Universities/Research Labs have to start paying MORE for Internet access. This could potentially lead on an increase on price on a lot of things. Internet access is a cost. If you let them go free on whatever they want, that cost may(will) go up.
Mess up how the Internet is supposed to work? I'm not sure I follow you. Why would there be drawbacks if specifically universities and labs paid more as opposed to if everyone else paid more? What if prices do go up? Lot's of things cost me more than I would like them to. Can you make all prices go down, please? Except when I sell something. I'm afraid I'm not convinced by your argument.
And that is just one side of the issue.
Oh! Well, if that's the case, I'm convinced!
Cool. And when I find you lying in the street having a heart-attack or stroke, I'll just stand there and stare at you because I have no phone on account of there being no contract that was actually usable.
Communication is too important to be left to the "invisible hand".
Let's just peacefully explore the issue. I'm still trying to find my own stance here, entertaining opinions without necessarily embracing them, putting forward an argument to see what will be said against it.
Firstly, I don't think it would ever go that far. If no one is using a phone at all, then certainly there is money to be made from providing a service that is at least usable. At least as much I'd say we can expect from the invisible hand. Secondly, some would argue that regardless of whether I die or not, it is immoral to force anyone (a telecommunications provider) to offer services it doesn't want to offer. Taking it further, what if we, the people, felt we needed communications services and forced you to provide them? If the invisible hand hadn't already compelled you to provide it, would you be fine with the visible hand "compelling" you?
You sound like someone who just had their first economy class and is high on free market ideals.
Hey, are you trying to discredit me as someone who has taken an economics class or someone who has taken too few of them?
Because they collude and no telco will offer the service that people want at a reasonable price, that's why.
I'm gonna be a bit contrarian here, in part because it's an interesting issue to explore. Allow them to collude, I say! If you and I decide to start offering a service and also decide to be all colluding about it, what right does others have to prevent us? If they don't accept our offer, they can just say "no" and go on without it.
No one has any obligation to offer you any service at a price you find reasonable. No one has any obligation to offer you any service at all, even. If you don't find the price reasonable, walk on by. I do that with Ferraris every day.
Also, telcos and ISPs shouldn't be allowed to interfere with traffic in any way shape or form beyond what's necessary to make sure it's delivered to its proper destination.
If someone wants to offer a service wherein they alter the messages sent, let them! They might be a disgrace in the eyes of people like you and med who want a clean and tidy communications channel, but there is no wrongdoing in offering a service we don't want.
Why don't we just choose the provider that gives us the best offer - for example the one that let's us use audio-over-the-internet, maybe at a higher prize?
Let providers be free to make whatever offers they want and let others be free to accept or decline.
I have two words for you: significant figures. Everything else is just noise...metric noise.
Aghnnn! I'm not at all at ease with having the number of digits written out signify the uncertainty. That's just not very elegant. By that method, you can only express certain ranges (for example "1.45 to 1.55", but neither "1.44 to 1.54" nor "-5 to 17") and it's even dependent on what base you write in! Rather, give uncertainty as a separate number.
Even more sophisticated would be to specify a probability distribution over possible values, but in the above discussion I assume that one wished to express the uncertainty as a range with sharp boundaries.
In case anyone wonders, I do myself practise the "significant digits" method when the social context calls for it and I want to please people (so that they give me money, for example), but whenever I can, I follow my heart and do what's right.
Yay! I have no idea what "bitchfest" mean, though. That's totally like Greek to me. ;-)
I'm afraid I don't follow you. The M-W definition is consistent with what I had in mind. Maybe I should explain what I meant, in case it was misunder stood.
Pro primo, let us establish that we agree on the following usage: "Our company has set no standard regarding what file format to write text documents in, but everyone has gravitated toward LaTeX, so it is the de facto standard." Pro secundo, I interpret my sentence about the CMS analogously, like so: "The CMS was never intended to be a style guide, but everyone is using it as such anyway." Of course, it was intended to be a style guide all along, hence my picking on the formulation in the book review. If the CMS is the dominating style guide, you could say that it is the "de facto standard when it comes to style guides", though not an actual, official standard.
I could also be all wrong; that wouldn't be unprecedented.
- We have this "travelling salesman" problem.
- I see. Oh, I know! Let's call it "sales representative" instead.
The Chicago Manual of Style (CMS), now in its 16th edition, is the de facto style guide for American writers.
You see, it's not actually a style guide, only de facto so.
Python! :-)
Thank you. I realise I shall need the article itself as well to be sure I understand what some of the numbers in the database mean.