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When Antivirus Scammers Call the Wrong Guy

ancientribe writes "Phony AV scammers posing as Microsoft dialed the wrong number when they inadvertently phoned a security researcher at home. He lured them into a honeypot to study their actions, and posted the video online here. His main takeaway: they were 'Stone Age' when it came to their tech know-how."

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  1. Sounds familiar by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

    His main takeaway: they were 'Stone Age' when it came to their tech know-how."

    So they're exactly like Norton, McAfee, and CA?

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    1. Re:Sounds familiar by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      His main takeaway: they were 'Stone Age' when it came to their tech know-how."

      So they're exactly like Norton, McAfee, and CA?

      How did this get modded 'Funny?'

      That shit ain't funny, it's fucking Insightful.

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    2. Re:Sounds familiar by dontmakemethink · · Score: 5, Informative

      His main takeaway: they were 'Stone Age' when it came to their tech know-how."

      So they're exactly like Norton, McAfee, and CA?

      How did this get modded 'Funny?' That shit ain't funny, it's fucking Insightful.

      How did this get modded 'Insightful'?

      The GP was insightful. This shit ain't insightful, it's fucking Funny.

      [Hint: to break the chain, mod this 'Informative'.]

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    3. Re:Sounds familiar by sa1lnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      "That shit ain't funny, it's fucking Insightful."

      Great, now we're getting false funnies.

    4. Re:Sounds familiar by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No shit, I don't know how many times i have had people bring in a machine and complains "Its so slow it has GOT to be a virus" and I find they are right...its a virus called norton or McCrappy. It never fails to amaze me how bad some of these AVs get when it comes to hogging, especially on laptops. I'll give them Avast or Comodo or if they REALLY know what they are doing MSE, but Horton and mcCrap are just fucking terrible! I have been told their enterprise version, at least with Norton, isn't like that so i have to say WTF? why can't you do that with the consumer version?

      But the bitch is it isn't the PC bugs I've seen much of lately, win 7 and a decent AV have that problem pretty well handled, its the mobile scams. If you want to know more check my journal entry here but please folks, remember that many haven't got the exp we have so warn them about the phone scams, because the amount of variants i've seen in just the last week tell me this one is gonna spread and be nasty as all hell.

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    5. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These guys are dumber than that. The guy uses his personal email id for the payment gateway. His email is kunal_smart22@yahoo.in (Feel free to email him). He left is photograph at http://www.askmefast.com/categorydetail.php?cmd=ulist&userid=967853. He has even posted a question "Can i use this payment gateway for my call center which provide online technical support to usa,canada? " in the forum. I can also point out some security holes in his website, but I guess, I would doing more harm than good. So I will leave that out.

    6. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I'll get modded down to oblivion over this, but you and the Slashdot "Norton sucks" cabal are outdated and misinformed with your opinions, based upon a number of factors, which I suspect look something like this:

      * anecdotal evidence of performance problems you did not root cause, but can quickly blame on AV due to a history of bad performance and the high likelihood that a commercial AV product was probably installed at some point.
      * experiences with 5+ year old AV software. Hey, Ford is also not making crappy cars so much anymore, but does anyone notice?
      * a general dislike for software that's designed for non-geeks
      * bias against commercial software and marketing techniques.

      If you look at the technical side of what a company like Symantec is doing these days in the AV space with behavior analysis, reputation data, intrusion prevention and so forth (http://www.symantec.com/theme.jsp?themeid=star), I think most of you would be very surprised with how cutting edge the AV products are (both Enterprise and Consumer, which share the same core technology), how quickly it installs, how small the resource footprint is, and how quickly it goes to the background (http://www.passmark.com/tpsreport12). I can't defend the pop-up offers and whatnot, but for the most part, these aren't the shitty products they used to be.

    7. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      * experiences with 5+ year old AV software. Hey, Ford is also not making crappy cars so much anymore, but does anyone notice?

      Ford is doing better, but Toyota is doing even better. Why go for Norton, when you can use MSE, which is far far better than present day, consumer edition Norton.

      * a general dislike for software that's designed for non-geeks

      Most of us dont admit, but like software to work of the box. We all prefer software that is degined for non-geeks, like MSE.

      * bias against commercial software and marketing techniques.

      If you look at the technical side of what a company like Symantec is doing these days in the AV space with behavior analysis, reputation data, intrusion prevention and so forth (http://www.symantec.com/theme.jsp?themeid=star), I think most of you would be very surprised with how cutting edge the AV products are (both Enterprise and Consumer, which share the same core technology), how quickly it installs, how small the resource footprint is, and how quickly it goes to the background (http://www.passmark.com/tpsreport12). I can't defend the pop-up offers and whatnot, but for the most part, these aren't the shitty products they used to be.

      I agree they are far better than they used to be, but so is their competition. They suck compared to their competition.

    8. Re:Sounds familiar by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      Actually those use some rather sophisticated methods to ensure that every CPU cycle and byte of memory is consumed.

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    9. Re:Sounds familiar by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have been told their enterprise version, at least with Norton, isn't like that so i have to say WTF?

      One of my (Fortune 100) clients has McAfee enterprise and I can vouch for the fact that it's horrible there too.

      Just an example; what they call "Wasted Wednesday" has nothing to do with substance abuse, and everything to do with mandatory virus scans that make computers unusable for hours.

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    10. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      /Attenborough on.

      Oh look!

      Here's a Microsoft astroturfer in its native element, posing an "Aunt Sally" question, then answering itself.

      /Attenborough off.

    11. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Try ESET

    12. Re:Sounds familiar by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Damn, that has GOT to suck. I wonder why they don't go with Comodo? Last I checked their prices are better on server AV than McCrappy (and unlike most their client is free for business and personal use) and it just don't bog down the system like Norton and McAfee do. It also has really nice sandboxing and scan before load on web pages which helps with the drive bys. i have some customers that are still using Pentium Ds in their office and it doesn't even lug on those ancient chips and on the newer cores it is just not noticeable.

      Well thanks for the info, just one more reason for me to steer my customers away from those two products. As far as i'm concerned Norton and McAfee are worse than many bugs as at least the bugs don't make a modern system feel like a 486DX running win98. last I had to deal with Norton in business was a couple of years back but when i'd log into their machines to work on them Norton would bog the machine down so much you'd just want to pull the plug, it felt like Xp was running on a Pentium 2 instead of the Core2duos these machines had. just sad how many cycles these things can piss down a rathole.

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    13. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      2 things - SSDs and partitions.
      That's how to live with Trend.
      The author of ntrtscan.exe needs to be sentenced to 10 years of COBOL programming.

    14. Re:Sounds familiar by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      I have a love-hate relationship with Norton.

      It is THE program which slows down my older computers, driving me to upgrade computers. However, it seems to work pretty well. I know a fellow whose laptop was constantly getting virii. He kept calling me to help him fix it. He had a free or inexpensive virus scanner, I don't remember which. After the computer was reset-to-factory spec yet again, I told him to try getting Norton's consumer product. He hasn't gotten a virus in like two years, by far the longest he's gone.

      But wow, it is a resource hog.

    15. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why go for Norton, when you can use MSE, which is far far better than present day, consumer edition Norton.

      Show me one third-party report where MSE beats Norton in overall protection or performance. The answer is, you can't because it doesn't. While MSE isn't going to bug you about renewing and shit, the perception that it's less of a resource hog or that it provides superior protection is dead wrong.

    16. Re:Sounds familiar by Stiletto · · Score: 0

      What the hell is a virii?

    17. Re:Sounds familiar by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Same reason employers love IE. Its corporate, well supported, easily managed, expensive support contracts, and have enterprise AD integration with mass management.

      Cios seem to care to use what everyone else is using

    18. Re:Sounds familiar by Fjandr · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the plural of the Latin 2nd declension noun "virius," which means "One who does not understand Latin."

    19. Re:Sounds familiar by kyrio · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pretty much any third party report (third party = not paid for by anyone related to the reported) ranks MSE higher overall. Sure, Norton can catch them, but it kills your system doing so, even now. There are at least 5 other AV software (including MSE) that are better than Norton.

    20. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my (Fortune 100) clients has McAfee enterprise and I can vouch for the fact that it's horrible there too.

      Just an example; what they call "Wasted Wednesday" has nothing to do with substance abuse, and everything to do with mandatory virus scans that make computers unusable for hours.

      Well, fortune 100 or not, they have got amateurs maintaining EPO (mcafees management framework) because while the out of box defaults do leave something to be desired, McAfees own tuning guidelines are simple to follow and do work.

      A basic P4 with 1.25GB of ram if good to run a stack of McAfee endpoint (AV, DLP, Device Control, file and folder encryption) without being perceptible to the user.....if you put in half a days tuning.

    21. Re:Sounds familiar by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is why i think words like "sheeple" or "corporate lemmings" is perfectly legitimate in certain contexts. because if an idea is bad and many do it...it is STILL A BAD IDEA and having many morons follow that bad idea doesn't magically make it good! I have dealt with Comodo Enterprise for some of my SMB customers and frankly it has everything except the crazy support costs, and unlike those other AVs you can actually get shit done while its running without it feeling like its tied a damned boat anchor around your machine.

      I have always believed in using what you recommend and I've been running Comodo for a couple of years now with ZERO hassles or bullshit, hell I even have it on my kid's gamer boxes. When i went to show them how to turn off services in Comodo for when they game they said "What for? We just tell Comodo we want to run it and that's it" which frankly blew my mind because if there is one thing an AV will usually do its slow the hell out of gaming but nope, even with games it just didn't bog down their systems.

      Contrast this with norton and mcAfee where I have yet to see it on a system that didn't feel like the entire system was running in slo mo. This is why I have been handing out Comodo to all my business customers and have started handing out to home users as well, because what damned good is an AV if it makes the whole system a royal PITA to use? To me the ultimate AV should ask you as few questions as possible and should only bother you when it has something important it needs your attention for and that's Comodo in a nutshell. the only time I hear from it is if it has blocked a site for having a malicious script or if i launch a program for the first time it asks whether or not I'd like it sandboxed, that's it. I just tell it what i want the default behavior to be for that program and it never asks again, it just does what its told.

      How anyone can put up with a boat anchor AV is beyond me, I set up a test bed and tried all the different AVs simply because the AV I had been using (AVG) had become bloated and felt like a boat anchor. If you can't use the damned machine, what good is having it clean?

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    22. Re:Sounds familiar by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      I have been told their enterprise version, at least with Norton, isn't like that so i have to say WTF?

      One of my (Fortune 100) clients has McAfee enterprise and I can vouch for the fact that it's horrible there too.

      Just an example; what they call "Wasted Wednesday" has nothing to do with substance abuse, and everything to do with mandatory virus scans that make computers unusable for hours.

      How fucking hard is it just to make this shit run at a low background priority, like gee I dunno a dozen other things a OS does often? It impacting performance on a modern PC is lazy programming. You have to wonder how useful these things actually are.

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    23. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember running the Norton Unstinall app to get rid of the antivirus. The customer brought their computer back a year later because Norton had reappeared. Really. I just ended up reloading that system.

    24. Re:Sounds familiar by rHBa · · Score: 1

      methods to ensure that every CPU cycle and byte of memory is consumed.

      Talking of which, sounds like a constructive use of anonymous' DDOS attacks, for once...

      I'd start with 24by7technohelp.com (mentioned in the linked video) and then have a look here:

      http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/383261/microsoft_loss_over_event_viewer_scam/

      for links to other scamer websites.

    25. Re:Sounds familiar by somarilnos · · Score: 1

      That post was Insightful, you insensitive clod.

    26. Re:Sounds familiar by IICV · · Score: 2

      One of my (Fortune 100) clients has McAfee enterprise and I can vouch for the fact that it's horrible there too.

      Oooh ooh I have one too, one place where I worked used Symantec Endpoint Protection (which is kinda like more expensive Norton for paranoid CTOs). For some reason, trying to install stuff over the network from a shared drive would actually crash the firewall, rendering the computer unable to connect to the Internet until you rebooted it. There's got to be an exploit in there somewhere, I'm sure, but I never looked in to it.

    27. Re:Sounds familiar by denis-The-menace · · Score: 5

      You should have mentioned "Underated" so that you could end up with +5 Underated

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    28. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Hint: to break the chain, mod this 'Informative'.]

      You mean "Redundant", right?

    29. Re:Sounds familiar by capnkr · · Score: 2

      Having a VM ready for these calls which has goatse for the wallpaper would be both Funny *and* Insightful.

      I would love to hear/see the reaction when they remoted into some "suckers" computer and saw *that* staring them in the face bigger than life. Even better if the "sucker" played it straight... :)

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    30. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, and this was posted before on //., 'virii' is incorrect.

      Changing the -us to -i is only appropriate for male gendered nouns. Virius in of neutral gender, so 'virii' is an incorrect attempt to sound clever. Same with 'octopi.'

    31. Re:Sounds familiar by idontgno · · Score: 1

      The author of ntrtscan.exe needs to be sentenced to 10 years of COBOL programming.

      Hey, that's not fair. He already served that sentence, in the act of actually writing ntrtscan.exe!

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    32. Re:Sounds familiar by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I have never had issues with Trend, are you saying that you do? I picked Trend because everything I read indicated it didn't have slowdown issues, I use it at home (the home edition, not the corporate) and game with my machine just fine.

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    33. Re:Sounds familiar by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've never seen that one before, congratulations! However, it just says (5). You have to click the 5 to see that every single moderator modded you "underrated".

      How did you guys manage to hypnotise the moderators? Hey, moderators, could you mail me some cash?

      Damn, it didn't work :(

    34. Re:Sounds familiar by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Many times, it has to do with how the AV is setup. Many of them scan every file as it opens, so when you start Word for instance, every DLL, EXE, whatever get scanned as it is read into memory. The lower priority the AV is, the slowed this scan will be, and the slower your application will run.

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    35. Re:Sounds familiar by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad, one friend's computer I looked at was running Norton AND McAffee (on Vista!). Of course, each program considered the other one a virus and they were fighting. I had to boot it from a Linux CD to to anything. After I got rid of the two AV programs I was surprised at how snappy it was, after hearing about how dog-slow Vista was. It ran fine with Avast.

    36. Re:Sounds familiar by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I think I've seen a +5 flamebait before.

      Has there been a +5 offtopic? :)

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    37. Re:Sounds familiar by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I've received a +5 before, I think I got every single up and down mod in the book on that comment so it was just left as +5 with nothing after it.

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    38. Re:Sounds familiar by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I'll get modded down to oblivion over this, but you and the Slashdot "Norton sucks" cabal are outdated and misinformed with your opinions, based upon a number of factors, which I suspect look something like this:

      * anecdotal evidence of performance problems you did not root cause, but can quickly blame on AV due to a history of bad performance and the high likelihood that a commercial AV product was probably installed at some point.

      Let's see... we had a whole team of people suddenly experience BSODs on their computers, which was root-caused to be the Symantec Endpoint Protection firewall (hint: it doesn't play nice with Virtual Box). It was root caused easily enough - a bunch of us who had it removed and replaced with Microsoft ForeFront (enterprise verison of MSE) didn't experience the BSODs. IT quickly determined that it was the firewall module and pushed out SEP removal and MS FF installs. No one's complained since.

      It just struck all of a sudden - one week it was fine, then another week someone gives up and sends an email and they all cluster around the week prior.

      Heck, the whole company has been migrating away, we just sped up deployment in our group.

    39. Re:Sounds familiar by rb12345 · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. I knew you could get +5 Flamebait/Troll by combinations of Interesting+2*Troll+lots of Underrated mods (like these posts), but never a pure +5 with no mod type other than Underrated. I thought you needed at least one "normal" mod type for it to show up.

    40. Re:Sounds familiar by BigLonn · · Score: 1

      Riiiight,,,,?

    41. Re:Sounds familiar by BigLonn · · Score: 1

      their not funnies they're punnies

    42. Re:Sounds familiar by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I'll get modded down to oblivion over this

      You're an AC and started at zero. You're already in oblivion territory. How long have you worked for Norton?

      anecdotal evidence of performance problems you did not root cause, but can quickly blame on AV due to a history of bad performance and the high likelihood that a commercial AV product was probably installed at some point.

      First hand observation isn't anecdotal. When a machine runs like molasses and perks up when and only when Norton is removed, how can it be anything BUT Norton?

      experiences with 5+ year old AV software

      Nope, the last run-in I had with Norton was on a laptop with an updated copy of Norton.

      a general dislike for software that's designed for non-geeks

      Avast, FreeAVG, and others I've installed on people's Windows computers are pretty much like Norton or McAfee in terms of UI.

      bias against commercial software and marketing techniques

      Maybe, but that bias doesn't make your shitty software work any better. You should be ashamed to work for a company that sells an overpriced product that needs a subscription that is head and shoulders BELOW the free offerings.

      If you look at the technical side of what a company like Symantec is doing these days in the AV space with behavior analysis, reputation data, intrusion prevention and so forth (http://www.symantec.com/theme.jsp?themeid=star), I think most of you would be very surprised with how cutting edge the AV products are (both Enterprise and Consumer, which share the same core technology), how quickly it installs, how small the resource footprint is, and how quickly it goes to the background (http://www.passmark.com/tpsreport12). I can't defend the pop-up offers and whatnot, but for the most part, these aren't the shitty products they used to be

      Oh, you're in marketing. Carry on shilling, then.

    43. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is the problem with your McAfee Enterprise software, or is it really more an issue with the way that the software is configured?

      I've worked with a lot of antivirus products. Most of them have settings to be super secure, but that comes at a tremendous performance cost. Scanning inside 5 layers of ZIP files over the network (CIFS) through the real-time engine, while doing heuristics analysis and cloud insight is an example. Sounds great, but just try to right click on anything on a file share.

    44. Re:Sounds familiar by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I had no idea there was an enterprise version. I know there was a paid version for smaller offices.

      I happen to agree with you and people are more concerned with keeping their jobs by picking a name everyone knows thatn risking it for a better solution etc.

      Symantic endpoint is very decent compared to its past versions. The newest Norton according to reviews is as lite as Commodo, Avast, and MSE, and its virus detection rate is one of the best! I was shocked, but I do not feel comfortable using it yet.

      MSE has gone downhill and I read many using Symantic were able to find the infections. Symantic endpoint is really Norton with a different lablel and I am glad they re-engineered.

      One of the most frustrating things about corporate America today is they are penny wise and dollar dumb! Having computers that are offline 4 hours a day with +1000 employees cost $40,000 an hour of lost productivity! Add this up for several years of their outdated crappy XP and Endpoint software and they skipped over that dollar to jump on the nickel of savings.

      If they were not so dirt cheap and upgraded to iwndows 7, modern Endpoint/Comoddo Enterprise, and IE 9, with icore 3's to replace their aging Pentium 4s they could be a lot more productive. Computers from the 2002-2006 typically took 10 minutes to be usable because of IE 6 add-ons for proxy, security, keystrock monitoring, and slow 20 gig hard drives, is madening. If anything it is a downgrade to the 1996 - 2001 systems with NT 4/Win 98 as they performed better.

      Using hardware proxies and filtering can alieve this load as well.

      Software has improved and even IE 9 is snappy. These idiots need to upgrade and get with the times. If you were the CEO of FedEX would you use delivery vans that broke every week?

    45. Re:Sounds familiar by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And THIS is why I don't do corporate anymore. the frustration of all the damned PHB dumb as fuck slow the whole company down bullshit had me so damned stressed out I looked like death and my boys actually staged a sort of intervention for me. They sat me down and said "We lost our parents, we can't lose you too. We don't care about the money but each day you look worse, just stop" and I have to say getting away from that retarded bullshit was the best thing that ever happened to me.

      The only place i use MSE is on my netbook and my gamer PC, because those frankly aren't going anywhere nasty. the netbook is only going to OEMs to download drivers in the field and the gamer PC is..well playing games, so all it is doing is scanning downloaded files and for that one task it works well enough. the problem with MSE is it does NOT do scan before load on web pages so it won't do jack about drive bys so on customer's machines or the box in the shop where I do web surfing it is Comodo all the way.

      And don't even get me started on pound foolish, that was what caused me the most stress running corporate. I have seen time and time again a whole business brought to its knees because some damned bean counter forced them to run truly ancient crap while trying to load the latest software AND some crappy norton or mcCrappy AV on top. I have seen workers spend a good 20 minutes plus every damned day just bullshitting as they wait for the machines to get to a "usable state". I would then watch as they'd launch their apps and then go back to bullshitting because they knew it'd take a good 4 or 5 minutes for the damned AV to let the crap load.

      That is why I don't even mess with anything less than a dual with 4Gb of RAM for a new build, most of them being triples or quads. there is just no reason why with hardware being so cheap to hamstring a business with some damned POS P4 dragging ass all damned day. As you said with Win 7 preloading apps there is no reason in hell to have to bullshit for half a damned hour while you wait for shit to load! its a waste and I've seen places with 300 employees doing this same ritual, think about how many wasted hours they had on the clock for a year! That's why i just can't do corporate anymore, I just can't deal with illogical bullshit and that is corp in a nutshell, totally illogical bullshit.

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    46. Re:Sounds familiar by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Ya wanna know what REALLY sucks? because so many new systems comes with Norton or McAfee trial i've found a lot of malware guys write for those AVs so that if it blows past Norton and Mccrappy they consider it ready to go. the record for the worst infected machine at the last shop i worked at was a Toshiba laptop that had norton home...and over 2200 infections! That thing took nearly an hour and a half to boot on AC power just because of all the shit running on it. Just for laughs my boss ran the Norton that was installed and it said "nope! All clean!" while we were seeing pop ups and crap going everywhere. That is why I always give them either Avast or Comodo, because they run like a dream compared to those pieces of malware pretending to be AV.

      As for Vista...the problems with Vista could be summed up in one sentence...crappy drivers and Vista capable, both of which were MSFT's fault. if you had tried the alpha and beta you'd have found that just a few months before release MSFT changed the driver model enough that drivers that worked on alpha wouldn't run on beta 2 which left the OEMs scrambling for drivers and the ones building the actual parts naturally pissed off. By the time SP2 had rolled around most of the problems had been fixed but by then it was already too late as everyone was gearing up for Win 7 and simply didn't care. if MSFT would have withheld the launch for 6 months to get better drivers built and told the OEMs that if they wanted to advertise their machines as capable of running vista they'd have to throw in a cheap DX9 card then Vista would have probably gotten the love that Win 7 did, but they totally screwed the pooch. you watch Win 8 will likewise be a pooch screw and just cement in users minds that MSFT follows the Star trek rule of "every other release is shitty".

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    47. Re:Sounds familiar by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Did you even read my comment?

      One word: Whoosh.

      Also, you fail at Latin. Virus is of neutral gender. If the word virius existed, it would be a gendered noun.

    48. Re:Sounds familiar by oKtosiTe · · Score: 1

      Hey, moderators are people too, you know! Foolish people, perhaps, but people nonetheless. (You insensitive clod!)

    49. Re:Sounds familiar by ais523 · · Score: 1

      +5 flamebait is no longer possible; the adjective gets hidden if it contradicts the number.

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    50. Re:Sounds familiar by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      whos the asshole that moded this troll???? playing into the tread != to troll

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  2. Question- How did scammers do this? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got a similar call to the guy in the article. So I hung up.

    They called back, and I hung up again except the phone didn't hang up. I even held down the "on hook" button but the call would not terminate. Any ideas how the scammers accomplished this?

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    1. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by SScorpio · · Score: 4, Funny

      In your rage you slammed down the receiver too hard and now the "on hook" button isn't registering correctly?

    2. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      the call is coming from inside the house!

    3. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell phone?

      VoIP phone?

      Landline phone?

      The specific answer is different in each case. The general answer is a signalling failure in the phone switch - it was a glitch not an attack on your phone line.

    4. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll use logmein to fix your phone issue.

    5. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Um. No. My phone works just fine. I also disconnected the line which should have terminated the call immediate, but the scammer was still talking when I reconnected the line. (I figure they were using some override built into the POTS.)

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    6. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      On some phone systems (for example Luxembourg during the eighties), only the caller can hang up a line. If the callee "hangs up" it's not really hung up until the caller hangs up as well, and a malicious caller can tie up his victim's line as long as he wants.

      Normally this is not an issue, as in a normal call both parties will hang up. However, back in the day, pranksters figured out that this was an excellent way of annoying call-in amateur ("pirate") radio stations, completely sabotaging their game shows this way...

    7. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

    8. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had a similar call about a month ago. My wife answered it and then hung up. I wish she would have handed the phone to me. I would have had a field day, acting stupid, and getting as much info as I could so that I could return their "favor".

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    9. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by kammat · · Score: 2

      Most landlines won't disconnect until the sender hangs up. I learned this beauty last election cycle when robocampaigns would call and *not*fucking*drop*the*line* after I hung up right away. Two minutes later I picked back up and they were still going.

    10. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Called from a landline? Landline calls won't terminate until the originating caller hangs up.

    11. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Australia, at least it used to be that the callee could hang up the phone and as long as the caller didn't hang up the line would stay connected for several minutes.
      So I could hang up and then pick up the phone after a minute and the caller would still be there.

    12. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mom! Hang up the phone!

    13. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by v1 · · Score: 1

      It can also be a part of your phone service features. If you have call waiting or call transfer for example, it can prevent you from disconnecting the caller.

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    14. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty normal and quite convenient, it means you can hang up and go pick up another phone if you need to

    15. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      Um. No. My phone works just fine. I also disconnected the line which should have terminated the call immediate, but the scammer was still talking when I reconnected the line. (I figure they were using some override built into the POTS.)

      ...Which is precisely why man invented the airhorn.

      Next time those bastards grab your line and won't let go, give them a really, really fucking loud reason to.

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    16. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      No mine (Bell Atlantic) doesn't work that way. I hang-up on telemarketers all the time, and they disappear. This one was the sole exception which is why it's stuck in my mind a year later.

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    17. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by bobbied · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well... There used to be a slight delay (like 10 seconds) between the "on hook" (current stops flowing in the loop) and the processing of the "on Hook" condition by the switch. This was to avoid disconnecting calls for momentary current breaks such as when you where dialing a rotary phone or if the user was doing a hook "flash" to switch between parties in a 3-way call. In some cases this delay has been emulated by recent phone system designs for compatibility reasons or simply because that's the way things used to work and the spec still calls for it. These days, I don't think there are many land line phones doing rotary dial and processing flash hook signals, at least in the industrialized world.

      This feature was what caused the "Telemarketers have total control of my phone when they call and I can't hang up on them!" rumor from yesteryear. I'm betting that this was the reason you couldn't hang up on them. Next time hang up and wait about 20 seconds and I'll bet you will get a dial tone when you pick up.

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    18. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it allows the called party to hang up and move to perhaps a more convinient second line. I recall Telstra have this set to 60 or 90 seconds before the call gets terminated if the called party doesn't pick up again. It's one of those exchange behaviours you don't find is carried across onto VoIP system.

    19. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

      I use one of these. It's been working well for me for about 5 years now. It gives them a message more polite than I would and then hangs up.

      I don't work for them or anything, I'm sure you could hack together a similar device, but the dumb thing just works. Only drawback is you need to be at the phone where you plugged it in, or buy one for each phone.

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    20. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, this is the correct explanation.

      One note to add: robo-dialers are supposed to be programmed to disconnect immediately when the receiving end hangs up (without waiting the 10 seconds for the switch to drop the call). This is because people who have an emergency while their phone is ringing can't call 911 (too much panic to hang up and wait 10 seconds).

    21. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by budgenator · · Score: 2

      I'm not a Pheaker, but as I understand it, there is a way to reverse the roles of the caller and the callee. It's useful for the 911 and the police as they can maintain the connection long enough to preform a trace.

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    22. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Technician · · Score: 2

      Wow, they are still at this. I did get to mess with one and tied him up for about 20 minutes. I had my netbook running Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I played along to see how long it would take for them to figure out I wasn't running windows. They didn't start trying to get me to look for Windows error messages. They started by trying to get me to go to a site for Remote Desktop Management so they could see my PC. I played along and got to the download. They wanted me to open it since I said I could not run it. I opened it with archive manager and told them of the other Exe in the exe archive. They wanted me to run that too. Again, I could not run it. Then they tried to get me to check for Windows error messages. Along this path they finally asked what version of Windows I was running. After I told them, they made a quick appology (surpried me) and they hung up. The caller ID was faked.

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    23. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      VoIP can usually transfer much more fluidly anyway. On my Gigaset phones I'm pretty sure I can transfer it to another handset with a key combo and it will ring the other phone.

    24. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Bromskloss · · Score: 5, Funny

      On some phone systems (for example Luxembourg during the eighties), only the caller can hang up a line.

      cpu6502, do you remember if you were in Luxembourg in the eighties when this happened?

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    25. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by bobbied · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think a dialer would have no way to know that the called party was trying to hang up until the local switch processed the "on hook" (hang up) event. Looking at the SS7 ISUP signaling, there is nothing that would carry that information back to the caller that indicated a hook flash once the call was Answered.

      As I recall the one commercial dialer I worked on years ago, we did listen for modem tones, but would pass any answered calls to the operators for processing. We could also hear the "Beep" from most answering machines and deal with that by calling back later, but it was hit/miss at best. We could also listen for silence, and only transfer calls that somebody said "hello" (actually anything else) to operators, but we would hang up on silence after a few seconds, not on a called party hook flash. All this was done to reduce the Long Distance charges and not pass bad calls to operators that where paid by the hour. The motive was $$ not because the called party might need to make a 911 call.

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    26. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by swanzilla · · Score: 1

      ...Which is precisely why man invented the airhorn. Next time those bastards grab your line and won't let go, give them a really, really fucking loud reason to.

      *In order for ploy to work, caller must be phoning from air horn.

    27. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would the telemarketers bother hanging on the line? If you hang up on them, they'll hang up their end and move on to the next number.

    28. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They didn't use any trick. That's how a landline works. It takes a while to register that you hang up, especially if the other person is still talking.

    29. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Calos · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the problem that the airhorn will be much louder in person.

      Just wire something into the line, which, at the press of a button, will generate a very loud and high pitched noise. Just remove your own ear from your phone first.

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    30. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Zapotek · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used to use a modem for that back in the dial-up days; when I wanted to go on-line but someone in the house was using the phone I sent a message to the modem via the terminal and it started screaching bloody murder.

    31. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by neonsignal · · Score: 2

      I spent nearly 15 minutes on the line to one guy who tried to talk me through pressing the Windows button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen.

      I didn't even have to lie; I repeatedly told him I was running Linux, so I didn't have a Windows button. He thought I was an idiot, kept on trying to explain how to bring up the Windows control panel so that I could see the "error messages". Eventually in frustration he put on his supervisor, who after learning I ran Linux, apologized and quickly hung up on me.

    32. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would have been the ATA command.

      Damn, I feel old for remembering that.

    33. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by slew · · Score: 2

      I actually did this.

      Of course at first they assumed I had a windows machine so when I claimed to not know how to type in their url, they tried to get me to hit the windows key to bring up the start menu to open a browser. When I told them I didn't have a window key on my keyboard, they immediatly assumed that I had a mac, so then they transfered me to their "mac" guy, and after messing with that guy's head for a while, I let it slip that I think my brother-in-law set me up with a linux machine and they handed me off to their "linux" expert who of course didn't know how to get me to type in their url into a custom opera based browser which had DNS blocking (I don't have anything like that, I just made that configuration up). At that point, the third guy politely told me that they were sorry that couldn't help me and hung up. That was about 30 minutes of me randomly typing and surfing the internet with the telephone on the desk occasionally picking up the phone to tell them that what they asked me to do didn't work... At least they weren't calling anyone else, but I have to admit, they had a pretty good call script they were working from...

      From what I could tell, I think the scam was that they hacked a web page to make a pop-up that claimed to scan your hard drive for viruses so they could sell you a virus elimination package, but I didn't actually go to the url they were pitching and of course the domain was registered to some random corp from nowhere...

    34. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some systems it's a lot longer than 20 seconds. Mine will go at least 90 seconds before finally dropping the connection.

    35. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Eyeball97 · · Score: 2

      Jeez, you kids are young... Did you never wonder where the phrase "Hold the line, please" comes from? It's a request to keep the line open. The caller being able to keep the line open, is by design. Perhaps some providers no longer adhere to this standard but if yours do, there's your answer.

    36. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by mortonda · · Score: 2

      Just speak a little too loudly off phone: "Hey Fred, you got the FBI trace running on this call? 1 minute? I can keep him on for that long..."

    37. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I had a POTS line with Verizon for the longest time, 1-2 decades ago, I noticed something interesting. If I called someone and they hung up, if they would pick their phone back up in the next 45 seconds I would still be there. If someone initiated the call to me and they hung up, I would immediately clicks and be disconnected, with the eventual "If you'd like to make a call, please hang up..." recording about 45 seconds later, which would repeat a few times and then turn into a very loud busy signal. This case worked completely in the reverse as well; if someone called me I could not disconnect my call with them unless I left the phone hung up for over 45 seconds, but my calling them would let me immediately disconnect myself from them.

      These scenarios held true for the entire 20 something years that I had Verizon POTS, across multiple houses/lines.

    38. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by aus_jackd · · Score: 1

      They call me fairly regularly, perhaps a couple of times a month. I simply hang up on them now, but when it first started (about a year ago) I used to have fun with them.

      Indian Scammer: Sir, are you at your computer?
      Me: Yes I am.
      Indian Scammer: Sir, please click the start button on the bottom left of your computer screen.
      Me: I have no start button.
      Indian Scammer: Are you using Windows, sir?
      Me: No.
      Indian Scammer: Oh, you have an Apple computer.
      Me: No, I use Ubuntu.
      *pause*
      Indian Scammer: So you don't use Apple?
      Me: No.
      Indian Scammer: Please click the start button on the bottom left of your computer screen.

      Repeat ad nauseam. I've kept them on the line for over minutes once. He said he would get his "manager" to help me and then just hung up.

    39. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the 80s, my Grandfather still had a party line as he lives in the middle of nowhere and never changed his phone to single service.

    40. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      I suspect this was in the days before telcos went to SS7.

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    41. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I always get those scammers to hang up. I just all innocently ask them for their address, no matter what they say, they usually respond with an excuse me, and I just all so innocently ask for their address again, buggers just hang right up at that point, somehow I think they think I might be someone they don't want to deal with.

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    42. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by slew · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not a Pheaker, but as I understand it, there is a way to reverse the roles of the caller and the callee. It's useful for the 911 and the police as they can maintain the connection long enough to preform a trace.

      My information is pretty dated, but as I recall, although theoretically you can do pretty much anything in the exchange (say like reverse roles and perform a trace), in practice, you probably can't do too much at the calling or called side unless it was the same exchange that handled the caller and callee (esp if it is a crufty old 5ESS). Of course with the current telephone network, no phreaking signals are accepted as the voice path and the signalling path is now totally separate... (In the United States, the last exchange that kind of stuff worked on was wawina and that ended in June 15, 2006)

      Note that in SS7 (and it's messages, described by the ITU Q.764 standard which is freely available), either side can disconnect. If the calling party disconnects, a release request (REL) is sent to the terminating exchange and it's up to that exchange to release the line and send a release complete (RLC). If the terminating exchange is next to the police dept or 911**, that terminating exchange could theoretically could hold the line for a while for a trace (although intermediate exchanges may time this out, so you can't do this forever). The same is true for the called party disconnecting which initiates a REL going back to the originating exchange. In this case the originating exchange might hold the line for a while after receiving a REL, but even if the caller doesn't hang up, eventually it will release and send the RLC back to the terminating exchange and release the called line. For other than weird billing purposes, there's not much of a reason to switch caller and callee after a call starts as the caller's exchange is the one that usually initiates the billing record (unless you want to bill say both sides). I don't think you can cancel billing once it started on the caller's originating exchange on most systems.

      **911 doesn't work by tracing your call through the network, it works by the orignating exchange sending the correct network address information about the caller in a call-origination message to the 911 exchange (similar to callerID).

    43. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had this happen yesterday, I have Comcast DigitalVoice, some robo caller called and I could not hang up on them. has never happened before, hasn't happened since.

      extremely annoying....

    44. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Deathmoo · · Score: 2

      I like this idea very much! Now to find a modem...

      They didn't like me very much when this "fake MS virus support" guy phoned me earlier this week (Canada). He didn't like my attitude, if you can believe that! He phones me, with the express purpose of stealing from me, and then expects me to be polite?

      Well fuck that!

    45. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I decided I was running Windows XP with the Start Menu in Classic mode (true) and a 101-key keyboard (not true). Really threw the caller for a loop -- I wasn't seeing the Start Menu options they were looking for, so they asked me to use the Windows key shortcuts instead, but my keyboard didn't have the Windows key, so I was asked to click on a Start Menu option that didn't exist, so...

      Next time, I think I'll use Windows 95 and my best "clueless computer user" imitation.

    46. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Nothing2Chere · · Score: 1

      You don't need an air horn. You can easily substitute that can of compressed air sitting on your shelf. n2ch

    47. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      I got a similar call to the guy in the article. So I hung up.

      They called back, and I hung up again except the phone didn't hang up. I even held down the "on hook" button but the call would not terminate. Any ideas how the scammers accomplished this?

      Yeah, they initiated the call. When someone calls you and hangs up, it disconects right away. But when you try to disconnect, it takes something like 10-15 seconds to disconnect. I don't know why that's the way it is, but that's the way it is.

      Of course, I'm talking about an old POTS line. Not VOIP or cell.

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    48. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I thought if the caller hangs up, it hangs up (essentially) immediately. But if the callee "hangs up", it takes around 10 seconds.

      Was it longer than that?

    49. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of that song by Toto.

    50. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We keep an air horn handy for just this reason. One woman even called us back to give us hell for blowing her ears out. So we nailed her with the air horn again.

    51. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um. No. My phone works just fine. I also disconnected the line which should have terminated the call immediate, but the scammer was still talking when I reconnected the line. (I figure they were using some override built into the POTS.)

      Such a feature doesn't exist in DMS-100 (unless an engineer is doing a dialtone plunge, but that's not a DMS feature, that's an actual set or test head connected to the line keeping it open). More likely, you have a marginal short on your line, and when you "hung up", the short was low enough at the time to trick the DMS into thinking that there was still a phone of the hook, so it didn't close the line. Depending on the amount of T-R leak that's happening, you may never notice it when you're using the phone, but it could still be enough to trick the DMS into thinking your phone's off the hook.

      Of course, in a situation like that, chances are you'd have no dial tone at all, because the DMS would self-disconnect from the line to avoid being damaged, and they wouldn't have been able to ring your line at all, as it would sound busy (or forward to voicemail if you have that line option) with the DMS in PLO state. I suppose if it's a swinging short it could work the way you're describing, but the chances are slim enough that it's equally possible you're just making it up. I'd have to see a 12-point metallic test to know for sure what the problem is with your line, but assuming you're telling the truth, my money's on a swinging tip-ring short.

      I guess, maybe, if you're on FTTH and the ONT is bugged out (or you have a problem with your inside wiring), it could behave like that, too. Usually with FTTH I don't see anywhere near the kind of weird shit that I see on copperline, though.

      The other possibility is as folks have suggested, 3-way calling. If you hang up and pick up shortly afterwards, it's the same effect as pressing the "flash" or "link" button on your phone, and the DMS will put the first call on hold to allow you to dial a 2nd number. If it triggered when you hung up, it would suggest a defective phone.

      Obligatory disclaimer: I do work for the local phone company, and one of my many job functions has been troubleshooting/diagnosing this kind of weird behaviour in order to determine if a field tech visit is needed. I have seen the problem you're describing before, but usually it's followed by a loss of dialtone within an hour after the fact.

    52. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by anubi · · Score: 1

      Try one of these...

      Telecrapper 2000

      When you get bored, listen to your victims discovering what they have been pitching to...

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    53. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Nethead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember working C64 BASIC code to hack out call progress detection back in the early 80's. Had a Code-A-Phone where we pulled the 8042 microcontroler and emulated it with the C64. The Teltone/SSI chips (981, etc.) really saved our asses. Then I figured out how to brute-force calling card numbers with the hardware. Long story short, three years in Club Fed.

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    54. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by anubi · · Score: 1

      Home site of Telecrapper...

      Hilarious YouTube links there.

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    55. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Nethead · · Score: 1

      There was a big flap in Anchorage back in the early oughts when the wrong address went to the PSAP. I was at ACS working on another project and had a desk in the CO next to a working redundant 911 call center that they had built for the lawsuits that came from that incident. (Something like a cop got killed at home and it took them two hours to find the house.) Fun to have a chance to poke at a off-line PSAP and see what made them tick.

      But for standard lines these days (and anytime since the late 70s) CPC, or Called Party Control, should send a signal to reverse the polarity of the calling party to indicate release (on a coin station that's how they collect the coin.)

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    56. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes mine takes forever to hang up. So I just pull the power cord on my MTA. >2 minutes to wait for it to get hung up on or 30 seconds to unplug the MTA and have it restart? I'll take pulling the plug.

    57. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To his credit;

      This very thing happened to me today. Typical call from some telemarketing co; upon answering, I was greeted with, "Please hold for an important message regarding government funding for small businesses"... or something of that sort...

      Immediately I hung the phone up. I needed to make a call, so I grabbed the receiver approx 7-10 seconds later and instead of dialtone, I could hear the message being played. So I hung up and waited a bit longer this time, perhaps 15-20 (more) seconds. Same thing.

      I was quite curious by this time because MY phones are working just fine. So I disconnected the incoming POTS line, waited about 10 seconds and reconnected. Same thing; no dialtone and I could hear the message being played as if I had never disconnected in the first place.

      Alas, I waited about 60 seconds before picking up the handset to be greeted with dialtone. I made my call, and received probably 40 more today without any problems.

      The telephone is an at&t 945 small business, 4 line, wired phone, in case you were wondering.

      Not making this up.

    58. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by SgtAaron · · Score: 2

      I remember working C64 BASIC code to hack out call progress detection back in the early 80's. Had a Code-A-Phone where we pulled the 8042 microcontroler and emulated it with the C64. The Teltone/SSI chips (981, etc.) really saved our asses. Then I figured out how to brute-force calling card numbers with the hardware. Long story short, three years in Club Fed.

      I was recently setting up a web power switch and its manual said the scripting language it used was BASIC, and I instantly flashed back to writing
      a Star Trek II (Kaaahhhnn) simulator in BASIC during the 80's that had photon torpedoes about 1cm x 1cm. Strange how the brain works sometimes. Well, it
      wasn't as sophisticated as your call progress detection hack, by any means, but I wish I had managed to saved that 5 1/4" floppy, just for grins.

      Also, I believe this might be the first time in my years of having a slashdot login that I recall seeing someone admit to spending time in the slammer without posting as an AC. Cheers #1563, and happy for you that you left the club in time to garner a four-digit slashdot userid! I'm not jealous or anything. Ah, I'm off-topic. Been here 12 years and have a six-digit userid, I'll be off-topic for once. Heh.

      But to get back on topic, though most likely nobody will read it. Working for an ISP off-and-on these last 15 years has nearly forced me to want to line up these scammers... well and do something not nice to them. Perhaps force them to watch under bright lights whilst someone social engineers one of their family and gets them to give up their life savings, at least their email password so we can login to their webmail and send nasty emails to all of their contacts. This is a symptom of having lots of customers do just that and *poof* we have thousands of emails going all over the place and Yahoo and what not deferring everything, so customers call up wondering why their email (forwarded joke, with attachments) to Grandma hasn't arrived yet. Maybe these scammers are desperate, maybe not. But it's kind of like shitting on someone else's lawn and not cleaning it up. *Someone* has to, and it's usually us.

      I did login to the latest Nigerian scammer's web site, at some colo center in Germany btw, and enter a username of "GO BITE YOURSELF HOSER" and a password of "GET A LIFE". Wish I could say I tied them up on the phone for 30 minutes, but that is my contribution so far.

    59. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When off the hook arond here, phones connect automatically to the 911 service and it starts tracing and recording. Only after the first number is dialed for a number does that recording turn off; the "911" only connects you to an operator. I found that out because there was a felony case where the victim picked up the phone and there was evidence of the crime that was recorded before she dialed 911.

    60. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      I've had this before.

      I'm in australia and the way our landlines work, if the caller does not hang up, the call stays open. Not sure if it is still the same but I've heard of people needing to call someone on a different line hours later to tell them to hang up the first call.

      I'm not joking.

      Thanks to mobiles etc. these days the call will end once either party hangs up. Not sure if the situation has changed for calls between 2 landlines.

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    61. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you dont have an air horn handy, the test button on a smoke detector will do just fine :)

    62. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Nethead · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, Club Fed (Lompoc FPC) was real hell. They made me write AP/AR financial software for the BOP using Clipper Summer '87 on an XT. Before getting in the computer department at Lompoc I was on the irrigation crew (think hay fields) with Ivan Boesky humping lines of sprinklers through tall wet grass.

      When I got out I went back to broadcast engineering, keeping local radio stations on the air. Then the Internet started and I worked with some locals and people from Seattle to get more than 9 dial-up lines in my small town. Found a good geek woman and we both ended up in Seattle working for Wolfe.net where I answered a cry from Malda for bandwidth. Seems that slashdot's T1 wasn't able to deal with the load and they were looking for someone to host images. I was at an ISP that had a whopping T3 so I set up an old Pent 90 with slackware and apache and handed it over to them. We hosted images.slashdot.org for about a year or so.

      At that ISP I took to heart the spammers of the day, mostly teen customers that wanted to "make money fast." I would first try to call them and advise them that it was against the AUP, but would often get the parents. If that didn't work I'd disable the account until the parents would call (of course, they paid the bill.) This was back in the dial-up days and you could do that stuff.

      Anyway, my wife and I rode the I-boom up and down, saved some money and now live on an Indian reservation looking over Puget Sound. I now spend my days as an independent field tech going around and fixing things. Life is good.

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    63. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by snowgirl · · Score: 2

      I spent nearly 15 minutes on the line to one guy who tried to talk me through pressing the Windows button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen.

      Do you run into Hebrew or Arabic Windows more than anything else? Because most localizations have the Windows button in the bottom LEFT hand corner...

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    64. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by neonsignal · · Score: 1

      haha - yes you're right, he must have said left hand side. My feeble excuse is that it's been a while since I've used Windows...

    65. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by macshit · · Score: 1

      My experience is that it will disconnect [if the recipient hangs up], but there's a fairly long delay. I think the intent is to give the call recipient some time to move to another extension without having to leave the original extension off the hook.

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    66. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      haha - yes you're right, he must have said left hand side. My feeble excuse is that it's been a while since I've used Windows...

      A totally valid excuse. :)

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    67. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw nothing in CanHasDIY's posts that establish that s/he disconnected the line long enough to terminate the call.

    68. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It worked like that in Norway as well. I abused it myself.

    69. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by wrook · · Score: 3, Informative

      Disclaimer: I used to work on the DMS-100 (perhaps I should post this as anonymous coward... :-P ) At least when i worked on it, there were plenty of bugs with respect to various features (especially 3-way call) and various agent types. Stupidly enough, although it was not the correct way to do things, the most common way to clear a call was to take down one end and then wait for the audit process to come around, notice that one end was down and take down the other end. If you hang up and then pick up the phone again, depending on what code paths you were going through, you could reconnect the call before the audit process tore it down. Unfortunately, it was a problem that was nearly impossible to fix because the DMS uses completely different code depending on agent types and features that are in use. You would practically have to go through all 30 million lines of code.

      It's been about 15 years since I worked there, so I can't remember very much any more, but I used to play party games demonstrating all the bizarre behaviour you could get your phone to do. The thing was that end users think of their phone as a kind of widget. They have no idea there's a computer in the switch directing things. When weird things happen they either blame themselves or come up with conclusions like the GP (the scammers figured out how to hold the line up). Just bad code, that's all.

    70. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I abused it myself.

      Don't worry. We all do.

    71. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is true for all uk phones - the call is disconecrted by the caller not the receiver. I have on many occasions even at work accidentally hung up whislt trying to transfer and have then just hit the external line and they are there again. Usually have to redo it every 30s from then on as my phoen thinks i have picked it up picked an external line and thennot dialled but the caller is def still on the line.

    72. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may like http://barrystaes.nl/scambait/

    73. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Yes, it allows the called party to hang up and move to perhaps a more convinient second line."

      It's also handy for home-invaders or burglars.
      Your buddy calls the victim from a public phone and doesn't hang up so they can't call the cops for help.

    74. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, to mess with telemarketers say hello, wait for the live connect and then hang up and cost them a long distance charge

    75. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These guys called me once, and I hung up. They called me again, and I basically spent half an hour fucking them so hard! had a jolly good time making them repeat the pitch so many times until I was laughing so hard that they realized they were being had.

      I used to work in telemarketing when I was a skid mark, so I know how these things work:

      Hang up right away == scared or angry == potential confusion == potential sale == callback list == continual call backs until they catch you half awake or off guard.
      Waste their time and make them feel stupid == do not call list == no more persistent call backs.

      Also literally telling them to put you on their 'do not call' list after making a fool of them lets them know you are in the know and they really do not want to call you back at that point.

    76. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how the phone system works.....

      The person who called is the only person who can terminate the call.

      At least that's the way it's worked with my phones since I've been using them (with the exception of mobile phones where either party can terminate the call)

    77. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Weird. Talk to your phone provider. It's not unreasonable to expect calls to end when you hang up. Not doing so can be dangerous. What if you needed to call 911?

    78. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I remember, when I was younger (and lived in a very rural area) if the caller did not hang up, the call was still connected. I have no idea what kind of switching system they used, I know most of them became 5ESS after the 90s, but I think some other types still existed that exhibited this behavior. Although like a lower poster replied, it could have been a slight short on the line causing the switch to not completely 'see' the onhook. Our lines were terribly noisy out there causing a ton of errors on the line when connecting to BBSs.. the bane of my youth =P

    79. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      On some phone systems (for example Luxembourg during the eighties), only the caller can hang up a line. If the callee "hangs up" it's not really hung up until the caller hangs up as well, and a malicious caller can tie up his victim's line as long as he wants.

      Normally this is not an issue, as in a normal call both parties will hang up. However, back in the day, pranksters figured out that this was an excellent way of annoying call-in amateur ("pirate") radio stations, completely sabotaging their game shows this way...

      Good to know that even stupid technological failures can be put to productive use.

    80. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by doston · · Score: 1

      Um. No. My phone works just fine. I also disconnected the line which should have terminated the call immediate, but the scammer was still talking when I reconnected the line. (I figure they were using some override built into the POTS.)

      ...Which is precisely why man invented the airhorn. Next time those bastards grab your line and won't let go, give them a really, really fucking loud reason to.

      Like the Hornster http://www.gizmag.com/hornster-worlds-loudest-bicycle-horn/22457/

    81. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      Um. No. My phone works just fine. I also disconnected the line which should have terminated the call immediate, but the scammer was still talking when I reconnected the line. (I figure they were using some override built into the POTS.)

      This is by design. If the called party hangs up the call won't disconnect for many seconds, but if the caller hangs up the disconnect will be quicker. The reason for this is to allow the called party to change extensions.

      For example, if I answered the kitchen phone because I happened to be in the kitchen when you called, but I need to go pick up the phone in the other room before we continue the call. Since you called me, it stands to reason that you were already on the phone you wanted to use before you called.

      As a poster below points out, this works in conjunction with call waiting, too. If I'm already on a call when another comes in, I need to be able to flash between the calls without immediately disconnecting the inactive call.

    82. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      Please post a blog of these party games.

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    83. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whistle at 2600Hz and see what happens next!

    84. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm - back in time - '60s - I worked on a Main distributing frame connected
      to a step by step exchange. afaik the area had no electronic equipment at all.
      Such things were not considered dependable enough. There were a couple
      of cross-bar sites. In general if someone called you and did not hang up; you
      were connected to that caller until some maintenance worker pulled the plug
      for some other reason.
      ahhh the old days; such bliss.

    85. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by FreedomFirstThenPeac · · Score: 1

      People, people. Where is my AI phone App... one that can sound human (Turing test) to a scammer so that the scammer will just keep trying to explain how they are going to help me? I'm thinking the language barrier would let AI-generated English pass well enough to keep someone busy.

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    86. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, just connect your modem to the line and when they mention your computer, just say, "Here, I'll let you talk with it."

    87. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Do you have call waiting? Doesn't that have the feature of leaving the call active for a certain amount of time? If so, these scammers would likely stay on the line hoping that your phone's strange behavior would lend credence to their tale.

    88. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      A 300-baud modem with acoustic coupler works really well for this, if you can find one. Although I suppose it'd be harder to use with a cell phone.

    89. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by glorybe · · Score: 1

      This might create an opportunity for a large law suite. Bill collectors are allowed one call per day. If you pick up a phone and put it back on the hook without any conversation they have just had their one call for the day. If they dial back simply because they reached an answering machine or you did not speak to them they would be in violation. The number of judges wanting to hang debt collectors is substantial and a few suits like this will tend to hit one or two that pay out large.

    90. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing to look back 20 years ago, and see that phone calls used to be so expensive that it was worth spending hundreds of hours hacking to get free minutes. Now you can Skype or Google Phone for free or very cheaply to anywhere in the world and any effort to hack the system for free minutes would not be worth the effort. Maybe in another 20 years we'll have free of very cheap data...

    91. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, this device already exists. It's called "Every button on your phone's dial pad"

    92. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I didn't even have to lie; I repeatedly told him I was running Linux, so I didn't have a Windows button. He thought I was an idiot, kept on trying to explain how to bring up the Windows control panel so that I could see the "error messages".

      This guy was probably making minimum wage and probably thought it was a legit business he was employed by. Believe or not, most non-techies I know (and a few who think they're technologically literate) never even heard of Linux until I told them about it! Often when I had my last notebook (haven't installed Linux on the new one yet) at the bar, almost every time at least one person would ask "what version of Windows is that?

      They're always amazed when I tell them it's free and doesn't need antivirus and show them the things it can do that Windows can't.

    93. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Seeing as they'll be paying for the call, you might as well let them waste their money. That or tell them that you're "tracking their call"; 5p says that they're mostly not bright enough to know with any certainty that you're talking rubbish.

    94. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      lucky we're not calling through stargates then... you'd be boned for thirty eight minutes.

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    95. Re:Question- How did scammers do this? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      it will have if the exchange (or any part of the route) is digital. If the call is terminated at either end, the connection is permanently broken. Most (if not all) UK branch exchanges these days are digital. There may be some analogue PBX (Private Branch Exchange, or Switchboard) equipment still in use (I have a 64-line PBX in the basement somewhere), but more usually these days branching occurs over a DSL to VOIP via a non-geographic number and the VOIP software does the branching.

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  3. Bummer is, it works by Toe,+The · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scammers (and spammers) wouldn't do this stuff if it didn't pay off.

    Even though these guys were idiots, they still manage to scam people. So what does that say about their victims? Ugh.

    1. Re:Bummer is, it works by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I'd suspect comparative advantage in action: These were phone scammers. The techie scammers are out there dumping drive-by downloads and building attack toolkits for sale. The less technical ones are falling back on their people skills and doing social engineering attacks...

    2. Re:Bummer is, it works by neonsignal · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a bit unfair - the victims may be gullible, but when the public are constantly being being thrown news of real and imagined malware threats, the less knowledgeable ones are at an unfair disadvantage. Remember, these scammers are unashamedly lying and extorting money; their victims are not necessarily stupid, just too trusting of a cold caller. Without trust our society would not function; the fault here lies squarely with the scammers. If you think that the victims need more education, then it is your responsibility to inform them of the risks, not to call them "idiots".

    3. Re:Bummer is, it works by eddy+the+lip · · Score: 1

      I know someone that got scammed by them, so I have at least one data point: pensioner with little computer knowledge, uses facebook to keep up with the grand kids, not as jaded as I am.

      By no means feeble minded, just from a different era, and it pisses me off to no end that there are people out there that will happily scam people living on fixed income.

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    4. Re:Bummer is, it works by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would really like to agree with you at least a little bit, but it isn't 1995 anymore. Waving off ignorance as "I don't understand computers" isn't a valid answer anymore. It is basic safety when using a telephone not to give out credit card numbers or any other personal information to someone that calls you. Not typing things into your computer and giving access to someone that calls you isn't "Computer Knowledge" it is "Telephone Knowledge", and the telephone has been in wide use long enough that claiming you don't know how to use it isn't a valid answer either.

  4. Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where are the calls coming from? Probably India or some impoverished nation. Some of the people working in those call centers really need the $2.00 a day that they make so that they can feed their family.

    I'd do some shady shit too if I had to in order to survive and so would you. So don't judge too harshly and don't yell or belittle the guy on the phone. Don't hate the player, hate the game...

    1. Re:Can you blame them? by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't hate the player, hate the game...

      No. I hate both.

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    2. Re:Can you blame them? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3

      Your 'peak hatred' attitude is disguistingly defeatist.

      Hate player, the game, the phrase 'don't hate the player, hate the game' and anybody who uses that phrase. And you'll still have plenty to go around!

    3. Re:Can you blame them? by Tanktalus · · Score: 2

      Where are the calls coming from? Probably India or some impoverished nation.

      Yes, from India. I've had them on the line more than a few times, and even strung them along in a VirtualBox session once, too. Except that I stopped it when they asked for actual money and explained to them that everything they said was a lie, starting with their names. They hung up that time. Another time I simply asked them why they liked scamming people, and the guy yelled at me as if to be offended by this. That was entertaining - knowing that I knew more about what they were talking about than they did, he wasn't going to be able to browbeat me into agreeing he actually was with Microsoft.

      Any way, the accent can't be missed. It has been thick every time. Of course, in this day and age, the accent alone doesn't mean it's not Microsoft :-(

    4. Re:Can you blame them? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "Where are the calls coming from? "

      Voip service probably one of the several thousand of half Voip services that have POP lines in the USA. Hell you can do this with Skype.

      If they were true hackers, they would compromise a company phone system and then dial in and then back out to completely hide their location. but very few hackers are actually hackers anymore.

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    5. Re:Can you blame them? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Oh Bo-Ho! Let's all live a life human predation?

    6. Re:Can you blame them? by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn straight I can blame them.

      You don't see me trying to scam Bill Gates or some other bullshit.

      If you are at the level where you are pulling these scams internationally over not only the internet, but also calling your victims, then you are not starving and you are probably a little better educated than those around you. These are the people that are dragging down their societies instead of building them up.

      I not only blame them, I would like to shoot them for the betterment of their communities.

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    7. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bo-Ho? Is that Little Bo-Peep's brother or maybe her whorish sister?

    8. Re:Can you blame them? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You realize that fraud and scamming people in india is a crime too right?

      I don't begrudge and indian guy a job at Infosys or IBM or actual microsoft. You may not like outsourcing, but you can't fault someone for taking a decent job that's a step up from what they have, and you can't expect them to feel bad about taking your job when you get paid 50x as much as they do.

      But you still don't feel bad for the guy trying to rob you on the street in New Delhi. He's as much a criminal by indian standards as by western ones.

      I admit, there *is* a grey area. Not the area you talked about. But there is a grey area. I feel bad for people there who have to pay bribes to buy a train ticket (which is everyone), and I feel worse when they come here and think they have to do the same thing. But there is a matter of different cultures, and pervasive corruption and ciminality that honest people can't avoid. Fine, I'll forgive some of that. But trying to theft is theft, and I have relatively little tolerance for it, and none at all when it's an intentional organized corporate activity.

    9. Re:Can you blame them? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Apparently no so impoverished as to be unable to afford a call center.

    10. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think the GP was about the guy running the operation. Just the guy stuck dialing the phone.

      It would be interesting to see what most people would do at the end of the rope. No job and no skills, no family or support system to fall back on. Would you just lay down and die? Would you do whatever you had to do to make it through the day and look after your family?

      The guys doing the dialing could have chosen much worse crimes to do. They could turn to mugging, abduction, etc. but they chose a "victimless" (in their eyes) crime.

    11. Re:Can you blame them? by budgenator · · Score: 2

      Ah the good old days when hacking meant connecting stepper motor to an Etch-a-sketch to use with the computer they had just finished wire-wrapping last week.

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    12. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that fraud and scamming people in india is a crime too right?

      So is bribery.

    13. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain that the guy dialing for dollars isn't the same guy that owns the call center. Do you think they are?

    14. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm going to setup a VM with a desktop showing me raping Shiva, shooting and dismembering a cow while holding the Pakistani flag and taking a shit on a set of cricket stumps. The audio would be interesting.

    15. Re:Can you blame them? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it's one of the fusions from Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. Like a Hawaiian pop singer with super-powered nose hair, or something.

    16. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that fraud and scamming people in india is a crime too right?

      I don't begrudge and indian guy a job at Infosys or IBM or actual microsoft. You may not like outsourcing, but you can't fault someone for taking a decent job that's a step up from what they have, and you can't expect them to feel bad about taking your job when you get paid 50x as much as they do.

      But you still don't feel bad for the guy trying to rob you on the street in New Delhi. He's as much a criminal by indian standards as by western ones.

      I admit, there *is* a grey area. Not the area you talked about. But there is a grey area. I feel bad for people there who have to pay bribes to buy a train ticket (which is everyone), and I feel worse when they come here and think they have to do the same thing. But there is a matter of different cultures, and pervasive corruption and ciminality that honest people can't avoid. Fine, I'll forgive some of that. But trying to theft is theft, and I have relatively little tolerance for it, and none at all when it's an intentional organized corporate activity.

      They can not help that their jobs were sent to a cheaper pool of labor

    17. Re:Can you blame them? by Deathmoo · · Score: 1

      I'm tempted to be sympathetic. I indeed would be tempted to do less than savory things if it meant the difference between starving or not. But my sympathy ends when someone tries to steal from me, or people I know personally. Now you are an enemy, and shall reap what you have sown.

      When someone begs me for change when I'm out walking or whatever, I politely decline usually. If the person becomes aggressive, or tries to take the change, or break into my property... Well, I can't assume that that person means me no harm, can I? Expect a rational person to act accordingly to protect their property and/or person.

      Lots of the victims of these scammers are fixed - income people. Falling victim to a scam could push them into bankruptcy. How is it better that the victim of the scam is pushed into bankruptcy, instead of the perpetrator of it?

    18. Re:Can you blame them? by NemoinSpace · · Score: 3

      Why don't you go back to responding to Nigerian email scams instead of posting variations of liberal ethics on slashdot?
      People of honor will do whatever they have to do to make it through the day. And they will do it honorably - or die trying.
      Scumbags however, will be scumbags their whole life and will count on morons like you to justify their pathological behavior.
      Usually guys like this tend to congregate in town inhabited by guys like you. Then of course you will call upon guys like me to take care of your "problem" for you. Because of course, you prefer to remain anonymous cowards, all the while spewing your superior social intellect.
      /end ass ream.

    19. Re:Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that they have a reason to scam (work from home and get a lot of money vs unemployment/horrible jobs), with little risk (even if they're caught, buying the authorities is cheap), it's only natural scamming will flourish. Realistically the only solution waiting until they have a better economy (which would drive scammers to locals, which in turn would put pressure in the government to curtail scamming) - cracking down on scammers won't happen, and the general population simply loves giving their money to scammers.

      Why don't you go back to responding to Nigerian email scams instead of posting variations of liberal ethics on slashdot?

      There's nothing liberal in what he said. He said it's possible that depending on circumstances people who otherwise would have lead honest lives will could become criminals. That's trivial to prove in the extreme cases - observe some animals and you'll see they generally take higher risks when they must.

      People of honor will do whatever they have to do to make it through the day. And they will do it honorably - or die trying.

      Saying that when you have an easy life is easy, though guy. I doubt you'd think like that if you were born to a poor family in a bad caste in India, although I'm sure you'll pretend otherwise.

    20. Re:Can you blame them? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      "Any way, the accent can't be missed. It has been thick every time. Of course, in this day and age, the accent alone doesn't mean it's not Microsoft :-("

      Does if they call you. They don't outsource their sales force. The keep the sales jobs in the country they are selling in. Not that surprising, really.

    21. Re:Can you blame them? by wrook · · Score: 1

      I feel bad for people who are suffering, no matter what they do. I do not condone people stealing from others, no matter how they are suffering. No matter how I feel towards someone and no matter what kind of judgement I pass on them, I try not to let it get in the way of creating a successful resolution to problems.

    22. Re:Can you blame them? by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      That's about what I said, isn't it? Their "accent alone doesn't mean it's not Microsoft". You have to use that in combination with other factors, such as who called whom, what is being said, how it is being said, and knowledge of the domain (such as knowing that MS doesn't outsource their sales force - while it makes sense to me, outsourcing development doesn't make sense to me and they do that anyway, so "makes sense to me" doesn't seem to be sufficient for determining this).

    23. Re:Can you blame them? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      ... says the person who's never lived in actual poverty.

    24. Re:Can you blame them? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Bwahahaha! You have no idea.

      I have.

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    25. Re:Can you blame them? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      The cream of the crop are not the ones that are being suckered, it's usually the people who are scraping bottom. The people who are not doing all that much better than the person scamming are the victims.

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    26. Re:Can you blame them? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      That was my point.....

      You can't be an honest man in india, never paying bribes, and still get anything done. One of my Uncles tried, it kept landing him in prison.

      Just the same as everyone speeds in north america, we all know it's against the rules, but it's what everyone does. If you aren't speeding on the road you can be endangering yourself and everyone else because that's just the convention.

      But the only people who are institutionally allowed to steal are banks. And that's a whole other topic.

    27. Re:Can you blame them? by cmat · · Score: 1

      While I can not comment on the premise of your reply, I also can't understand how driving at the speed limit (or slower if you wanted) could possibly endanger others on the road... Multiple lane highway? Don't drive slowly in the left-most lane and you'll be fine. Single lane road? The worst that can happen is some asshole speeding up behind you and hitting you from behind (which can happen at any speed you care to drive at unless you happen to be driving at the highest speed of anyone on the road, at which point I would say you ARE endangering everyone else on the road).

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    28. Re:Can you blame them? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      On a multi lane highway with entrances and exits going just the speed limit even in the rightmost lane can cause traffic flow problems. Especially in heavy traffic as everyone is moving to get around you.

      By only driving the speed limit when everyone else wants to drive 10Km/h or 10Mph faster means they're likely do reckless things to get around you, that's bad.

      Conventions are just that, it's just how people behave. You don't expect to have to judge the speed of a car that's doing 80 in a 100 zone, you don't really want to move around him, because maybe you're happy doing 110 when the next lane over is doing 120 etc.

      I chose it specifically because it's a stupid problem to have.

    29. Re:Can you blame them? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I've got to get that spell checker worked on, it's killing my Ironie.

    30. Re:Can you blame them? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      Agree with you, except for one small bone to pick: these are NOT liberal ethics, in general. Liberal ethics would be more about finding ways to help these people get to where they need to be instead of resorting to stupid scams like this; not justifying clear-cut assholery based on poverty level. In this particular situation, both conservative and liberal ethics have the same goal; prevent assholes from screwing other people. The means to do so are where the differences come into play.

      Anyway, it wouldn't be very interesting at all to see what people do at the end of the rope; we know what they will do. Assholes will be assholes, and honorable people will be honorable. There are other means to pull yourself out of poverty, and you can't use "But, I'm poor!" as an excuse to systematically victimize others. Hell, just speaking English in the first place should open a bunch of opportunities up. May not be as profitable, but therein lies the rub.

      The problem comes in when these assholes all over the planet can find jobs where they call people to safely victimize them with no repercussions. Being poor simply doesn't excuse victimizing someone; it doesn't even put it into a gray area. It's the difference between asking for spare change and mugging someone for it.

      Oh, and before someone chimes in with the classic "but, but, but! you've never lived in poverty before!" I'll pre-empt it: There is a standard, on some continent, in some country, in some city, for some person, that can be used to conclude "neither have these motherfuckers."

  5. Not surprising by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hardly surprising their tech know-how was stone-age. If they were actually competent, they wouldn't be running some lame over-the-phone scam like this. They would either be working a legitimate job or running a large-scale botnet somewhere. The vast majority of criminals are stupid, because smart people either don't get into crime or don't do low-level crap like this.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by oxdas · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are much better outlets for exceptional scammers and thieves; politics and wall street seem popular right now.

    2. Re:Not surprising by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      What was the point of destroying the Windows install by erasing services? That makes no sense because, even if they did manage to sell the customer on the product, they'd never be able to recover the machine.

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    3. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Their goal is to sell the "product", not recover the machine. As soon as they have the victim's money, their job is finished.

    4. Re:Not surprising by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      They got to a safe mode command prompt. They should be able to (maybe?) run msconfig from the command prompt and re-enable everything. This would, admittedly, look pretty funny, after having just disabled it due to "malware."

    5. Re:Not surprising by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      "Disabling", not deleting. Windows services are pretty easy to disable (Administrative Tools-> Services), such that the computer will start malfunctioning, without deleting them. The really important ones can't normally be turned off from the GUI, but there are ways around that. Turning them back on is pretty trivial, unless you go too far and can't actually boot the machine (in which case Safe Mode should still work).

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    6. Re:Not surprising by Digicaf · · Score: 1

      It would be pretty effective at causing panic and fear in the average user. The user could then give their credit info over the phone, or the agent could tell them the command to re-enable the gui and get them on-line again. It wouldn't have to be perfect and they wouldn't care if the right services were re-enabled, since they'd just charge the card and get off the phone.

    7. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They use LogMeIn to get to the desktop. Gotta have a desktop to get to LogMeIn...

    8. Re:Not surprising by Nothing2Chere · · Score: 1

      This is funny shit, but I'd mod this fucking Insightful.

    9. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it matter if they can recover the machine? Once they've sold the product they've got the money and don't care any more.

  6. I got one of these, too by J053 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Happened just the other day. They didn't claim to be from Microsoft, though. I asked the caller what OS was on my computer, and she said "Either XP or 7". I don't have any Windows systems in my house, and the call was interrupting something else I wanted to do, so I just said "Wrong!" and hung up.

    1. Re:I got one of these, too by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now see this would be fun, fire up a VM with Ubuntu 11 on it and let them have a go.

      Or better yet, a windows Skinned XFCE. it looks right but nothing is right......

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    2. Re:I got one of these, too by jamesh · · Score: 2

      Me too, only i do have windows. I played dumb for a bit - she asked me to open event viewer and look for any warning or error messages (there always are) which would indicate my computer was infected. I told her there were none. We went around in circles for ages with her getting me to re-open event viewer, scroll down, etc, to find this "proof" that my computer was infected. After a while she started asking every few minutes if I still wanted to continue the call. Eventually I told her i'm bored of this and hung up.

      I suspect that a lot of these "first level" support people who actually call you then eventually pass you on are people who responded to "make money from home" ads, and are just as stupid as the people they are trying to scam.

    3. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happened to me too. I said I didn't have a computer and hung up, but immediately thought that I should have at least heard what they wanted me to do. Never mind, they'll call again ;-)

    4. Re:I got one of these, too by chuckymonkey · · Score: 2

      I think a good tactic is to do what this guy did or something similar. Waste as much of their time as you can because they're not going to make any money off of you and the longer you tie them up the less profitable they are.

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    5. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had a call from these guys once.

      I set up a new user account in Ubuntu, and then ran the remote access software they asked me to download in Wine.
      The remote software sort of started to work, and connected to something their end, but didn't work enough to give any desktop access.
      I was running wireshark too, so could see which IP addresses it was talking to.

      So, I just kept babbling stuff, and pretending I did not know how to set up the remote access software properly. Then I started dropping hints about 'the base firewall' and 'asking the officer on duty' to make it seem like I was on a militery base. Then I said that the commander of the computer section wanted to talk the them, and the phone went dead.

    6. Re:I got one of these, too by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Oh my god, that XFCE idea is brilliant.

    7. Re:I got one of these, too by neonsignal · · Score: 4, Funny

      A elderly friend of my parents got one of these scam calls; the caller at the end of the line explained to her that "they could see that there was a problem with her computer" and that they could help her to fix it. She said "there sure is a problem; I took it down to the rubbish tip last month".

    8. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If nothing else, let 'em at a real Windows VM, and log the network feed. If their tech-fu is so backwards, this, on its own, might open up some entertainment opportunities for a clever hacker.

    9. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      My Mum, continously gets these... One day when I was at her house, she got a call... This is when the fun began... The call goes as follows.

      Indian Woman: Hello I am calling from Windows. We have seen that your pc has a virus. We would like to remove the virus from Microsoft.
      My Mum: I don't understand my computer is fine. Where are you calling from?
      Indian Woman: I am calling from Windows. Our software has informed us that you have a virus, and needs to be removed?
      My Mum: I'm just going to put someone else on the phone.
      Indian Woman: OK
      My Mum: *passes phone to me
      Me: *mash 6 random phone buttons.* Hello Madam, you have fallen into a continuously monitored phone number. You have made so many calls pretending to represent Microsoft falsly, that we at Microsoft are now starting to monitor these calls, and have provided a service to record and trace calls.
      Indian Woman: I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG! (screamed)
      Me: Never the less madam you have twice used our trademarked name Windows. and presented yourself as an employee of Microsoft. Therefore you are breaching various trademark rules and copyright rules. In addition you are liable in the uk for libel as the calls are being recorded.
      Indian Woman: I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!!! (screamed even louder in a higher pitched voice)
      Me: Never the less you have broken the law. These calls are being recorded, and you have been on the call for a long enough period now for our technical team to have traced the call back to your place of operations. The Indian police should be contacting you within the next few days. To assist them with our joint operations to stop this scam.
      Indian Woman: I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!!! (now shouted in such a pitch that it hurt my ears)
      Phone: click duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu .

    10. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except their time is worth something next to nothing. What about your time?

    11. Re:I got one of these, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded 'funny', because there's no +1 Awesome

    12. Re:I got one of these, too by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      We went around in circles for ages

      True story:

      Scammer: Okay, I need you to click on "start."
      Me: Start... I don't know what that is.
      Sc: The Start Menu. Down in the corner, it says "start."
      Me: I don't see anything that says "start" on it.
      Sc: Ok, there should be a glass ball with the Windows logo on it.
      Me: No... But I do see an orb with a flag.
      Sc: Yes. Click on that and then click on Internet Explorer.
      Me: Ok, I clicked on it but I don't see Internet Explorer.
      Sc: Click on "All Programs" and find it in there.
      Me: But if I click on all programs, won't that slow my computer way down?
      Sc: What? No, there is a button that says "All Programs."
      Me: Oh... I see. Internet Explorer. Got it.
      Sc: I need you to go to whatismyip.com and tell me what it says.
      Me: Ok...

      [Two minutes pass]

      Me: Ok, now what?
      Sc: Tell me what it says.
      Me: "No proxy detected."
      Sc: What does it say for the address?
      Me: It says, whatismyip.com.
      Sc: No, what is your IP address?
      Me: I don't know. Shouldn't you know this?
      Sc: I do not know for security reasons. What does the number say on your screen?
      Me: Let's see here... It says, 192.198.1.---

      [*Click*; line goes dead]

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  7. I wonder if the day will come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When these guys will be out of business? Will humanity ever learn? Or are we too trusting of people on the other end of the phone line?

  8. What I do by Mortimer82 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I say "Okay, hold on a moment please." I then leave the phone call active, put the phone on my desk or something and do something else until they get bored.

    1. Re:What I do by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do that, except I'll go back every couple minutes or so and say .. can you hold on, I really want to talk to you, but I have to finish this one thing ..

      I keep a log of how long they will hang on ... the current record, for some insurance company, was nearly 35 minutes before they hung up. They did call back three time afterwards ... but didn't hold on much more than a couple minutes.

      My goal, keep them online, but not making a sale for as long as I can. If everyone took 30 minutes for each of these sales type calls and never actually buying, then they would stop calling, as the profit margins would sink.

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    2. Re:What I do by OldTechGuy · · Score: 1

      I tell them that I have a friend in Nigeria who has millions of dollars he needs to launder out of the country, but he can't because HIS system is so infected. I then suggest that they might be a match made for each other...

    3. Re:What I do by jamesh · · Score: 2

      "Hang on, I just need to find my credit card" will get them waiting for longer.

    4. Re:What I do by The+Mister+Purple · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I once worked for a place that was going through a bankruptcy. Even though all creditors had theoretically been dealt with, there were still a couple collection agencies that chose to not understand that. Because I'm not intimidated by veiled lawsuit threats (or unveiled ones, for that matter), I wound up being "the guy who screens calls". I got quite good at stalling, getting "interrupted" and generally dragging out calls. This eliminated most of the collection calls with a couple of weeks of this treatment. However, there was one collector who, despite getting worked into a frothing rage on a regular basis, kept calling. Eventually, after he had raged for a bit and was catching his breath (I like to think I shortened his life by several years), I explained my tactics to him. At first, he didn't get it, but after I explained that I knew about call time metrics and that I was messing his up on purpose, he REALLY freaked out. After another 5 minutes or so, I pointed out that keeping on the line with me wasn't improving his numbers. He never called back after that.

      Just remember: at a certain point, they aren't wasting your time - they are wasting their own time and amusing you in the process.

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    5. Re:What I do by dasunt · · Score: 2

      My goal, keep them online, but not making a sale for as long as I can. If everyone took 30 minutes for each of these sales type calls and never actually buying, then they would stop calling, as the profit margins would sink.

      Or we'd see telemarketers being the driving force behind a Turing-test-passing AI

      ;)

    6. Re:What I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time kept on line:
          2 days ago: 53 mins
          months ago: 1hr 47mins

      Useful lines ...
          "I've got my credit card and I really need your help"
          "yeah, I think it has a virus ... it takes literally 10mins to boot" (make 'em wait 10mins)
          "oh, you meant the PC, not the Mac, hold on" ... 10mins
          "The screen has gone blue and it's crashed... I'll reboot" ... 10mins
          "Someone's at the door, I'll be back" ... 5 mins
          "My wife turned it off while I was downstairs, sorry" ... 10mins
          "I bought a ferrari last week, I got a yellow one. Do you like ferraris"...5 mins
          "What's your job? I break legs for a living" (at this point they got suspicious)

    7. Re:What I do by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    8. Re:What I do by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One time the woman wouldn't take no for an answer.

      "Listen, do you get paid by the hour or by the call?"

      "By the call."

      "So I've told you I'm not interested, why waste your time? Hang up and move on."

      "Well, I..." *lightbulb on sound* "Good night, sir."

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    9. Re:What I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell them that I have a friend in Nigeria who has millions of dollars he needs to launder out of the country, but he can't because HIS system is so infected. I then suggest that they might be a match made for each other...

      I string them along for as long as I can. Once that's not possible any more, i tell them I'm not interested in being scammed. If the scammer is female, I suggest that they go back to turning tricks, as it's more honest work. Good times!

    10. Re:What I do by Mana+Mana · · Score: 2

      This must have been in the 1990s, that's when Abrahan & Straus*, A&S don't you know, got caught hiring unethical bill collectors willing to illegally go after debt-free post-bankruptcy individuals. Eventually this story broke nationally in the news, and A&S was prosecuted either criminally or civilly in the US courts. It went bad for them, as it should, as the bankruptcy law process washes away the old so as to start anew. A&S suffered very bad publicity for their lack of intelligence.

      Anyway, I knew someone who owed A&S/Stern's, went successfully through bankruptcy, whom months later received a hesitant, soft spoken, hemming-hawing telephone call that caused this cleared debtor to say: Are you trying to say you're a bill collector for A&S?

      This person thought (pre-news story, btw) the caller was either a scammer or a retardate, thus he gave him his bankruptcy lawyer's phone number so as to have his concern addressed. Weeks later a different, nastier collector calls, and threatens and blusters and says he'll sue: Go ahead, said the collectee, there is no debt, send me the proof as the law requires! he says finally. More greater bigger bluster comes his way.

      So collectee says, OK give me your name, your company name and your phone number where you can be reached during business hours. Collectee calls his bankruptcy lawyer and says to the receptionist he knows well, ``wazzup, why didn't you handle these idiots.'' She says, I did, in fact hold on, I'll conference you in whilst I call this second guy, you listen silently on the line. He did.

      She spoke with 2nd dude, nastier dude, explained how they should already know this is post-bankruptcy expunged, but anyhow here's the bankruptcy certificate, via fax, again, that idiot number one had already received weeks earlier as a courtesy. Nasty dude complained that collectee was mean, unreasonable, and yelled at him.

      This is priceless, she said, yes, he did, he was angry, as I had already talked, faxed, and dealt with this with his colleague weeks ago, and how they were violating the law. To that he said farewell and was never heard from again. A year later the news broke on what A&S/Stern's was illegally collecting null debt via threats and harassment.

      Long way of saying, if this ever happens to you, contact your State Attorney General (to fuck them over), your bankruptcy lawyer (to clear your mind), and for deserving riches hire a vicious, civil attorney to sue the collector and their original client for un mucho dinero settlement or for grande winning verdict damages!

      * aka Stern's

    11. Re:What I do by snowgirl · · Score: 2

      I had a collection agency just recently call both my parents suggesting that they were going to be serving process to them for a debt that I owe. I immediately suspected something was up, because that just sounded inconsistent with legal process as I understood it, and my mom was just like "whatever, my daughter will deal with it, I'll just pass the information on." My dad however freaked out suggested that I was going to go to jail and other things, and that if they accept the process for me that they'll be entangled into the suit somehow.

      I called them up, and talked to them for a bit. They implied that there was already legal action pending, but then I let them know that I was uncollectable (even if they sued, and had a valid debt, and a judgement, there would be nothing to collect), and then they seemed to imply that there was no pending legal action. They also suggested that they were a law office, but admitted when I pressed that they didn't have any lawyers on staff, but hired them on as needed. The whole thing sounded fishy, and having a good idea of my rights, I played it heavy handed, and threatened them back and stuff. ("I'll fight this in court, just to raise the cost for you, and you still won't collect anything, because I'm uncollectable.") Overall, it was a fairly enjoyable phone call for me... being able to bludgeon debt collectors back is cathartic...

      Later, I talked to a lawyer friend who commented that yeah, the whole deal was illegal, and if we could identify them that I could sue them for $1,000, and also get the debt cleared. The people were fly-by-night though, and seemed to be using Google Voice or something and when we tried to call back, got no response.

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    12. Re:What I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhhh! My eyes! Why do you torture me?

    13. Re:What I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My goal, keep them online, but not making a sale for as long as I can."

      My sentiments exactly. And its cheap entertainment.

      I seem to average about 15 mins of their time but made about 40 minutes on one call. I've managed to get one to visit a link-shortened Goatse, got a lecture on morals from another I persuaded to visit lemonparty.org, and had a yelling match with a third who I got to spell out c*ntface and then explained why he was one.

  9. And the fix is easy by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reboot the PC. Just after POST (power on self test), tap the F8 key once a second to invoke Windows boot options. Choose "Safe Mode". Click the Start button and type in MSCONFIG. Select "Normal Startup" under the General tab. Reboot again and all should be well. Assuming you didn't provide CC info or let them install any other application.

    I'd love to know what public IP they're hiding behind.

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    1. Re:And the fix is easy by noc007 · · Score: 1

      If you're working in a VM like the article, you can either take a snapshot before you hand over control or just before they reboot it. Restore the snapshot and tell them it's working great. I might be willing to waste my time and theirs just to find out what they'd do next.

      /Glad I don't have a landline.
      //Glad I have an Android phone to send blacklisted numbers to my voicemail and YouMail to give them an annoying sound and then hang up without the option to leave a message.

    2. Re:And the fix is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just hit the reset/power button and choose the "Last Known Good Configuration" option from the F8 which loads a backup of the Registry (ControlSet00x) Current Control Set is the running default but every successful 'proper' reboot backs up to 001, etc (up to 003 i think) choosing this option loads the backup that was the last to boot normally and shutdown without error.

      This work a good portion of the time, but depending on how bad the compromise is make sure your backups are good and wipe/reload (image if your a corp. environment.)

    3. Re:And the fix is easy by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, if your virtual PC software supports it (MS Virtual PC does) turn on Undo disks, and when they reboot the VM you just select the option "Delete changes". Poof, VM restored back to pre-scammer state.

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    4. Re:And the fix is easy by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you had to. If your system is really hosed, you could always restore from a system restore state.

      Start --> Accessories --> System Tools --> System Restore

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  10. so BAD even YOUR MOM won't fall for this by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These "Dave from Houston" fuckheads have called my house repeatedly. Unfortunately, I haven't been home to screw with them. Even my wife felt bad for these pitiful lamebrains when she told them none of our computers run Windows. And then these disorganized half-wits can't remember the FAILED on their previous calls, so they call back again.

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    1. Re:so BAD even YOUR MOM won't fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I told "Windows technical support" that I had a Mac. He consulted a supervisor and came back claiming to be from "Mac technical support." Reminded me of Chevy Chase's "land shark/candygram" bit (SNL, mid '70s).

  11. Five Times by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2

    I've been called by these morons five (yes, FIVE) times so far. Lately, they've taken to calling me at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. Now, getting a call from a scammer is annoying - getting a call from a scammer in the middle of the night when you're sound asleep makes you want to stab someone in the throat. Or maybe that's just me...

    I hope these pricks die in a fire.

    1. Re:Five Times by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no, not just you that I want to stab in the throat.

    2. Re:Five Times by Krokus · · Score: 1

      I used to get called two or three times a day, every day, from... somebody. Every time I picked up the phone, they appeared to immediately hang up. I eventually got tired of this and reported them to the CRTC via email (I'm in Canada) because I'd no idea what else to do to make it stop. I got a reply from them in less than two hours. They said that the caller was a company in Ontario (I'm in BC) who claimed they were attempting to contact "a previous owner of the house" as part of some collections thing. I'd been living in my house for five years; the calls had only been going on for about a week. I suspect they fibbed to the CRTC. :)

      Anyway, I never received a call from them ever again after that. Thanks, CRTC. :)

  12. Had one of those idiots too. by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had one of these guys on the line a while back. Coincidentally while I was fixing some issues with the PC at my computer-illiterate parents' house. Apparently they called a few times before but they only spoke english (with a very heavy indian accent) and my dad wouldn't even know how to order a beer in english, so their "conversations" ended without any harm done.

    They directed me to try all different kinds of command line tools that would display long lists of errors (which is was supposed to do on a healthy system). I checked everything he told me to do by first searching on google and within a few minutes I got to a webpage detailing the phone script the scammers were using.

    Oddly enough I told him that I was checking everything on Google first and even told him I found this website, but we still went on for nearly 15 minutes or so (he was paying for the phone bill, I could see no harm in making it expensive). I kept asking him questions and calling him out on his lies (literally calling it lies), but still he kept going. At some point it was all some morbid curiosity trip for me, eager to find out how far this could possibly go. He even kept talking after I told him I had enough fun and was going to hang up. I can't quite understand why he kept wasting so much of his time when I identified him as a scammer after the first two minutes and told him so.

    I can understand how they could fool a less informed computer user though.

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    1. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I had a call recently and managed to get them to hang up on me.

      If you have the time and enjoy a laugh, wind them up by telling them the computer is really slow to boot up, ask them to repeat all the commands on multiple occasions, tell them that the commands don't work, put them on hold (phone to the speakers playing thrash metal works really well), laugh at their stupidity and eventually they get annoyed and they hang up.

      The same thing works really well with cold sales calls and with those guys you can also wind up their supervisors. I managed to get supervisors to curse at me and then hang up.

      It was well worth the laugh.

    2. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 2

      I think the people they hire to run the phone lines are paid for minutes on the phone.

    3. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, when you have to earn a bit of money to buy food for your family, you'd do whatever it takes even if it's immoral, painful and stupid.

    4. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by ep32g79 · · Score: 1

      ... ask them to repeat all the commands on multiple occasions, tell them that the commands don't work, put them on hold (phone to the speakers playing thrash metal works really well), laugh at their stupidity

      In other words, pretend you're a luser?

    5. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe some of these systems are actual bots as it easy to get them in a loop .

      example i had one call at the shop .
      (doing this from memory so its not exact)

      it told me it had detected a virus and whether a had a windows or a mac ?

      i replied . a what ?

      it then said we have detected a virus on your windows.

      what windows ?

      it then said you have questions ?

      i said what windows ?

      it then said yes! yes!

      and repeated the whole virus thing again .

      which i just kept repeating what .

      soon another voice came on the phone accusing me of f.cking with him and why am i f.cking with him for i have called his home many times .

      i just answered with the do you have questions ?

      then it went to another voice . a female voice who wanted to know if i wanted a good time.

      i asked it does it have questions .

      it said i was funny .

      i exchanged some more banter it would always loop back to the your funny or lets have fun line.

      it soon hung up after about 30 minutes.

    6. Re:Had one of those idiots too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a perfect job for an unemployed /.er. If you get a real dumbass, just muddle through everything so that it doens't cause any harm in the end. If you get a nerd in a basement, then both of you will know what's going on pretty soon and you can string out the call for hours.

  13. Re:Deplorable by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right, like the script kitties could tell they where dealing with a Mac much less have a workable scam for Mac they could talk the hapless Apple user though over the phone. If it ain't windows, they ain't getting anywhere cause they usually only know windows.

    Before my ISP started blocking port 80,I ran an Apache web server on a stand alone Linux box in my DMZ that had nothing but a single HTML page on it. 99.99% of the access logs where exploits that only worked on Windows products and multiple break in attempts where from the same IP over and over. If they where too ignorant to look at the server type before they tried to break in, or if they somehow figured that what didn't work 15 seconds ago might work this time then it sure fits the view that they are pretty unsophisticated in their approaches when they are trying to break in.

    Just running an OS other than Windows offers significant protection from the bulk of web based attacks. Not that it makes breaking in any harder mind you, it's just that most of the "hackers" out there don't know the difference between Red Hat, Ubuntu or Windows and usually cannot even understand what an IP address is much less a TCP port because they just run the tool somebody else wrote for them. These folks don't scare me.

    Of course there are a FEW folks who don't fall into what I call "Script Kitties" class, and they are really the dangerous ones because they understand that it is not the breaking in, but the exploitation of getting access that matters. Most of these guys/gals are not going to call you on your phone unless they have reason to target you, and you can bet they won't resort to such low tech methods described in this article.

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  14. Talking by severett · · Score: 1

    I was able to keep them on the line talking about random stuff, and not anywhere near a computer until some manager yelled at the poor phone dweeb.

    Awesome. :)

    1. Re:Talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one call on the line for half an hour, while I gave a commentary about getting the machine booted then he hung up, before finishing the cloning of a Windows-VM for their play and ethernet logging on the base Linux machine.

  15. I recorded one by Barryke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Three months ago i got a similar call, recorded the conversation (me playing the silly user and him trying to scam me) and forgot to put it online.

    So here it is slashdot, i created this page just for you:
    http://barrystaes.nl/scambait/

    (click the AMR file, its the original file my Android phone recorded and 10x smaller)

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    1. Re:I recorded one by blanchae · · Score: 1

      Extremely funny. I loved when he said look at your keyboard and you said you saw a flashing cursor. He just about lost it!

    2. Re:I recorded one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I left one to play in a VM. As I wrote at the time:

      These scammers have been calling me weekly for about a year so a few weeks ago I fired up a freshly installed Windows 2000 VM and played along.

      I installed logmein at their request and they took control. The "engineer" showed me event viewer ("look, infections!"), opened a command-prompt, typed a few irrelevant commands (ping, nslookup and tree) and then typed the word "expired". The salesman assured me that this meant my "core security system" had expired.

      The engineer then took me to their website where they clicked a button to initiate a £40 paypal payment "to renew my core security system". Happily the ancient version of IE in Windows 2000 didn't understand paypal's https so it wouldn't connect. After half an hour of pointless tinkering they installed firefox and got me connected. And, of course, I refused to enter my details.

      Anyway, this isn't a sophisticated scam. There's no malware. They are just trying to convince you to give them £40.

      I reported the scam to paypal, but they weren't interested because I hadn't parted with any money.

    3. Re:I recorded one by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      Well done. There's nothing funnier than a pissed-off Indian.

    4. Re:I recorded one by anilg · · Score: 4, Informative

      L.O.L!

      It's funnier to me because you probaby did not catch him swearing in hindi. At around 17:32 he goes "madarchod have you put the dot", which transates to "Motherf**ker have you put the dot", and you go "Dot, yes".

      Then at 19:28 he goes "kahan se ... behenchod" which is roughly "Where did this sisterf**ker come from?".

      And then the end was epic! A++ would hear more recorded conversations

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    5. Re:I recorded one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it on the left?

      Thank you for posting this :)

    6. Re:I recorded one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fun, leuk !

    7. Re:I recorded one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Since I earn 10 miles per £ on my AmEx, if that ever happens to me, I wonder if I should just pay it, then report a scam, get it refunded and get a new card.

  16. An awesome telemarketing call I got by Teppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a rule for dealing with telemarketers - if they admit they're telemarketing right away, I'll nicely tell them I'm not interested. If they lie, then anything goes. Here's what happened to someone that called me from a "security company:"

    Her: Is the business owner there?
    Me: Are you telemarketing?
    Her: No.
    Me: Ok, this is the owner, how can I help you?
    Her: Are you aware of the security threats faced by businesses that use the internet?
    Me: Oh, yes, I'm well aware of threats. There are all sorts of threats when you're in business.
    Her: Does your business use PCs?
    Me: Security is a big problem, lawsuits.
    Her: Ok, well, we offer a comprehensive...
    Me: Because you know, you can be sued for all sorts of things. Employers can be sued by their employees. Business owners have to be very careful.
    Her: (Trying to get back to her script) Yes, I'm aware of that. Well anyway, if your business is one of the millions...
    Me: For instance, sexual harassment lawsuits, those are a huge concern if you're in business.
    Her: I don't think that's ...
    Me: Do you realize that people can sue their employer for harassment just because they receive unwanted sexual advances while at work?
    Her: No, I didn't, but...
    Me: (whispering) So... what are you wearing?

    1. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last one I had fun with...

      DirectTV was the caller and this was coff*not a sales call*coff

      him: Good afternoon Mr *****, I'm ****** from Direct TV making a courtesy call.
      me: ummm, yeah
      him: I am speaking with Mr *******?
      me: ummm, yeah
      him: How are you today?, can I tell you about (I cut off his courtesy sales call here)
      me: How am I doing? Let me tell you! I just got fired, my wife left me and the f*cking dog died!
      him: (...silence you could cut with a knife...)
      him: Well, ummm
      me: Do you have any more brilliant f*cking questions?
      him: No

      He actually hung up first, was kinda disappointed I didn't get to make him feel smaller and try perusing a sales call veiled in a courtesy call.

    2. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by gman003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, I do this all the time to political surveys. Started out just re-using some Monty Python bits ("I believe America should be an anarcho-syndicalist commune...")

      I'm pretty sure the Republicans' database lists me as a registered Communist and practicing Norse pagan who believes gay marriage should be mandatory, thinks abortion should be illegal "except for ugly chicks like Hillary", supports using nuclear weapons to secure the Canadian border, watches exclusively Fox News, and has voted for Ron Paul in every election since '92. They seem to have caught on - they haven't called at all since 2010 or so.

      If the Democrats ever call, I'm telling them I'm a monarchist, an ordained Coptic Orthodox deacon, and a veteran of the Third Punic War. I may even claim responsibility for the assassination of William McKinley.

    3. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite was a "courtesy call" that went like this:

      M: Hello?
      T: Hello, Mr $name. This is a courtesy call from $MyPhoneAndInternetCompany.
      M: Do you know what time it is?
      T: It is currently 6:30. Now, as I was sayin-
      M: Do you know what most people do at this time.
      T: Eat dinner. Now as I was sayin-
      M: Exactly, and do you think it is "courteous" to interrupt someones dinner?
      T: Ahhh-
      M: It isn't and therefore you suck at your job.
      T: I'm sorry you think that. Now, as I was sayin-
      M: *click*

    4. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by kaliann · · Score: 2

      I have no mod points, but I loled, and I thank you.

    5. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      Crap, the last telemarketer that called me was female. Incidentally, did you know that sexual harassment is not a crime outside the workplace? At least, that's what two cops told me...

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    6. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by noc007 · · Score: 1

      Go on...

    7. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you "Funny", but in all my years on Slashdot, this is the first post to ever make me 100% literally cry laughing, so 'funny' just doesn't cut it. I hope you don't mind me cutting and pasting this and making it my Facebook status.

    8. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Crap, the last telemarketer that called me was female. Incidentally, did you know that sexual harassment is not a crime outside the workplace? At least, that's what two cops told me...

      It's not a crime in the workplace either... however it is a civil offense, that can be sued for in the workplace. Outside of the workplace, indeed it is entirely unactionable.

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    9. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by chrb · · Score: 1
    10. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by flonker · · Score: 1

      Me: (whispering) So... what are you wearing?

      I've tried that a couple of times. The first time, the woman was extremely offended and hung up. The second time, the guy laughed and hung up.

      Sadly, I haven't gotten actual people for a long time now. These days, it's all pre-recorded messages, mostly from debt collectors. All you can do with those is call them back and say "wrong number", and they stop calling for a few months until they form a new company. And since now you're the one calling, they're no longer fair game. (IMO anyway)

    11. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was amusing, but why do you have to mess with political surveys? Unlike the scammers mentioned in this article, political surveys do serve a public good, and there isn't a need to confuse them. The fake political surveys would make robocalls and wouldn't use real people, anyway.

    12. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love when Time Warner tries to call to upsell me on whatever variety pack of the month they're pushing. Seeing as I have basic cable internet from them, they are just so eager to let me know about all the money I could save by upgrading to a bundle with TV or home phone. It usually goes something like this:

      Hi, am I speaking to Mr. X?

      Yes

      Well I'm from Time Warner Cable and I'm just calling to let you know about some of the great deals we are offering in your area which could save you money. How much are you currently paying each month for cable TV?

      I don't have cable TV.

      Oh. Uh, well, if you'd be interested we do offer a basic package with cable TV and internet service for only $x, would that interest you at all?

      No. I don't watch TV, I usually just watch movies.

      Okay... well... then, who is your current home phone provider?

      I don't have a home phone.

      ...oh. You don't have a home phone?

      No. I use my cell phone or the internet.

      Well would you be interested in-

      No.

      At this point they always sound pretty deflated. Sometimes they even apologize to ME because they couldn't help me save any money. It's worth the wait, really.

    13. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by mimio · · Score: 1

      This was too funny and I did not see it coming. Thanks a lot for fixing my monday!

    14. Re:An awesome telemarketing call I got by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      What worries me is when the men at the other end of the line (invariably a Bangalorian judging by the dialects) respond to the question...

      Something I can assure you, my wife takes great exception to.

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  17. Get them to hang up the quickest. by Necronomicode · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've had numerous calls like this. I've taken a number of different stances on dealing with it. On the last one I didn't really have the time or patience so it went like this:-
    Them: "Sir, we are ringing you about the errors on your computer".
    Me: "Oh, this scam again, trying to get money from people that don't know any better. I don't know how you get away with it, you should be ashamed or yourselves, ashamed!"
    Them: "Brrrrrrr....".

    Quickest hang up yet. Felt kinda sorry for the poor woman reading the script but if you're gonna work for 'Evil Inc.' then that's what you get.

    Other good tactics:
    "Oh, I'm out of work, actually could you lend me fifty quid?"
    "This is GCHQ madam, the UK government security center - it is a criminal offence to have access to our secure servers. Are you a terrorist?"
    "On mondays my papa sings my happy song, huh, huh, huh"

    Since they have a script maybe we should make one for us, just to see how they like it :-)

    1. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      One time I got a call from a guy trying to sell a travel service. I try to be polite, since my wife did telemarketing to get through school.

      "How often do you travel?"

      "I can not leave the country at this time."

      "Uh, okay, what about your family, kids?"

      "They are quite young, so they wouldn't travel without a parent."

      "Okay, what about your wife?"

      "I have been advised by my lawyer not to answer any questions about the whereabouts of my wife."

      "..."

      "..."

      "You, uh, you have a good night sir."

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    2. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shite, dude - I just ran out of mod points. That was hilarious!

    3. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hans Reiser, is that you?

    4. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Bieeanda · · Score: 1
      Many years ago, when I was still living with my parents, I intercepted what was probably a telemarketing call. The background babble was loud, like they were calling from one of those phone bleachers they set up for PBS donation drives.

      Caller (in thick Indian accent): Hello, is Mrs. (Amazing mispronunciation of our surname) there?

      Normally I would have just hung up, but something possessed me that day.

      Me: Oh. I'm sorry, but she died last week.

      Caller: (sound of bending over backward to apologize and get off the line).

      A friend of mine got one that was even better, claiming to be collecting donations to support sufferers of a fairly uncommon disability. She's just happened to suffer from this disability all of her life, so she was quite interested in hearing about where she could sign up. Git hung up damn fast after that.

    5. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Inda · · Score: 1

      I'm a man who smokes with a really deep voice. I had a call from Indian "Steve" a few months back

      Steve: Hi, this is Steve from Computer Something Something. Can I speak to Kaz Inda (my wife)?

      Me: Hi, speaking.

      Steve: [reading from his script] Would have 2 minutes to answer some computer related questions?

      At which point I placed him on the speaker and the fun began.

      After the tenth question about my OS, usaged, etc, Steve got confused.

      Steve: Can I take your name again?

      Me: It's Kaz Inda. You phoned me and asked for me by name, remember?

      Steve: I do not beleive you are a woman sir.

      Me: I'm shocked and flabergasted. Of course I'm a woman. How can you say a thing like that?

      Steve: You're an idiot.

      Me: You're an idiot.

      They've never phoned back =)

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    6. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      "I have been advised by my lawyer not to answer any questions about the whereabouts of my wife."

      "..."

      "..."

      "You, uh, you have a good night sir."

      Ahaha :D

    7. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That's more polite than some. Many years ago - I was maybe 16, and I got a call from a telemarketer trying to sell long distance service.

      They asked for my parent, and I said that they had died just the week before. They did briefly say "I'm sorry" and then went on to ask if I was now in charge of the long distance bill.

    8. Re:Get them to hang up the quickest. by GoingNow · · Score: 1

      Quickest hang up yet. Felt kinda sorry for the poor woman reading the script but if you're gonna work for 'Evil Inc.' then that's what you get.

      I don't feel sorry for them at all. They are lying scumbags who deserve whatever we do to them. They usually hang up very quickly when I say "You should have your lips sewed to a cow's arse so they can shit down your neck three times a day, you maggot."

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  18. Aussies used to these clowns by now by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

    Welcome to the party; they've been calling me, my family, my friends and everyone else for years.

    I can recite the pitch opening from memory by now (it almost always begins, "I am from the Windows Technical Support Department", in a strong Indian accent). At first I was irritated ("Huh? Go away"), then angry ("Don't ever call me again!"), then amused ("Why yes! Which one of the seven completely different boxen are you referring to?"), then bored ("Computer? You mean my Google pad thing?"), then concerned ("Do you realise your supervisor is making you break the law?"), and now I just hang up mid-syllable.

    And even then they sometimes ring right back, just in case I hung up by accident.

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    1. Re:Aussies used to these clowns by now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These jerks call my mum just about every day, and they used to get a little confused when she explains she's running Ubuntu. Didn't stop them calling back, of course, and now when she picks up the phone if there's a long delay before anyone starts speaking, she just hangs up. I guess the joke wears a little thin after a few years.

  19. I'm from Windows Computer by JoeCommodore · · Score: 2

    Most of them know better than to say actual company names so they usually start with something like:

    "Hello, Sir, I am calling from Windows Computer..."

    Which I usually state what's windows computer, never heard of em... etc. Some of the other posts do give me more ideas. :-D

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  20. Re:Deplorable by CCarrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right, like the script kitties could tell they where dealing with a Mac...

    I just had this adorable image in my head of a bunch of kittens (picture Royale commercials) gamboling around an iMac, batting the mouse around, laying on the top of the monitor and pawing at the screen, puzzled innocence in their wide blue eyes as they try to figure out where the food comes out. Awww... :)

    I think the term is actually 'script kiddies', due to the (usual) youth of the wanna-be bad asses. It's simply the difference between the voiced alveolar stop 'd' and the voiceless alveolar stop 't', so it's easy to misinterpret in speech.

    Okay, phonetics info-break over, now back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

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  21. Reminds me of the copy machine toner scam... by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 1

    I used to get calls from scammers trying to sell me over-priced copy machine toner. They would claim to be my "copier company", then ask for the model number. So I'd make up a fake model number and see how long I could keep them on the phone.

    Scammer: "We don't show a Nikon Z1000 on our list. Are you sure that's the model?"
    Me: " I'll check again. Can I put you on hold while I go to the second floor?"
    (we start timing)
    Me: "Ah, it's a Nikon Z2100. You know - one of those big ones. It really eats a lot of toner, you know. We sure buy a lot of it"
    Scammer: "Really? We can make you a great price. But I still don't find that on our list. Are you sure about the model?"
    Me: "Well I'll go down there and check again. Can you hold on a few minutes?
    (Timer rings - I pickup the phone)
    Me: "Yep - its a Canon KR600 all right."
    Scammer: "Ah - you said Nikon before. Hmmm ....I don't have that one on my list either"
    Me: "You should have - your company sold it to us."
    Scammer" Ah... yes.... Could you check that number again?
    Me: "I might have written it down wrong. I'll check again. We run it non-stop so I know the boss will be excited that we can save on all that toner we buy. Can you hold?"

    When I get tired of the game, I'd pass them on so someone else to play. 15 minutes was easy. Never broke the 1 hour mark, but not for lack of trying.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of the copy machine toner scam... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh your comment was serious? I gathered from the title it was gonna be about HP overcharging for toner cartridges.

  22. These are mostly from the Asian region by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a culture of having the opportunity to save face when they're wrong.

    If you get the chance to talk to one of them again, start telling them outright that what they are doing is wrong and that they need to study more. That'll upset personally more than anything else you can try.

    1. Re:These are mostly from the Asian region by Simploid · · Score: 1

      I did something similar once. I confronted them that what they're doing is not right and advised them to look for a better job.

  23. Sometimes they bite back... by c9brown · · Score: 1

    My room-mate got the call once, lead them on for a while and then hung up. The woman (with a strong Indian accent) called back and yelled at him "fuck your mother!"

  24. Just gotta say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some of these are freaking priceless. I'm taking notes, and hope you don't mind if I utilize a few of these in the future.

    I'll be sure to credit /. in general at the end of the call. Or maybe just pepper "slashdot" into my sentences at odd intervals.

    captcha: stranger

  25. not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    news

  26. Re:Deplorable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pedantry only suits smart people.

  27. I've had a few of these. by epp_b · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've gotten a few of these calls. Some idiot with a foreign accent claiming to be "from Windows" (seriously, those were their words).

    My mom gotten them too; she immediately hangs up the phone. One of the scammers actually the gall to call her not two seconds later to scold her that hanging up the phone was rude!

    I have a similar idea to this guy, except I'd make a little more fun, though I wasn't sure it would work until now. I'm delighted to see that they use a remote control program. My plan is to let them into a sandboxed VM where I'll have prepared a webpage that launches 500 goatse popups or something. I'll record my session, too, but, uh ... just the phone call ;)

    I can't wait to get another one of these calls.

    *rubs hands together with an evil grin*

    1. Re:I've had a few of these. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a few of these calls as well. One that sticks in my mind was a female Indian caller that informed me they were from Microsoft and that my computer had "errors". I just laughed at her and commented on how it would be a cold day in hell before Microsoft started offering free support to their customers. She became very offended that I had the audacity to laugh in her face, and started giving me a lecture to that effect. I just told her that if she was going to keep running this scam she needed to grow a thicker skin and hung up.

      To this day I still wonder if she was actually offended or if she was pretending so that I'd take pity and go along with the whole charade.

    2. Re:I've had a few of these. by rjforster · · Score: 1

      I've gotten a few of these calls. Some idiot with a foreign accent claiming to be "from Windows" (seriously, those were their words).

      I'll have to remember that if I ever get one of these calls (lucky so far!). If they are 'from Windows' I'll ask "front or back?". "Are you the double-glazed ones?"

      Of course, if they ask me to run something and read out my ip address it's going to be 127.63.24.12

  28. Similar Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once got a similar call "I'm from Microsoft and your computer appears to have a virus." I faked call interference with some foil and eventually convinced him that the problem was on his end. The clown spent five minutes checking his headset and whatnot before he caught on and hung up.

  29. Interesting... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I would have thought it impossible to disable the VMWare service from *within* a VM... that one would require a special tool that effectively runs outside of any VM to do it.

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can disable one or more of the VMware Tools services. That won't render the VM inoperable, though, but it'll break things like file drag-and-drop between host and VM, hardware graphics acceleration, and mouse capturing.

  30. That's what answering machines are for by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    If I recognize the voice speaking, I pick up the phone and answer the call. If I don't recognize it, I let it go to voice mail. Actually, most robo-diallers seem to recognize answering machines, so I don't too many telemarketing messages on the voicemail.

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    1. Re:That's what answering machines are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this. I used to do this when I had an answering machine (voice mail these days and cant change the intro).

      Hello, (pause 5 seconds)
      I am not home right now leave a message *beep*. (this bit needs to be FAST)

      Gets 99% of them right into leaving a message. Found out one time that someone had bought a tv from his brother :)

      It is also amusing with friends and family :) You will get tons of "I *HATE* your message"

  31. Moron scammers by seguelucre · · Score: 0

    These idiots called me one morning...heavy accents and all...claiming to be from u$oft telling me that my computer had messaged them that it had a virus. I flumoxed them when I told them that all my computers ran the linux operating system and it would be very strange if it had called them. Had I known how to turn it around on them, I would have. They are so stupid they deserve the Darwin award.

    1. Re:Moron scammers by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      I would have put the phone on the desk, yelled at the computer (make up your own stuff for this bit), and then played an mp3 VERY LOUD of a .357 Magnum going off five times right next to the phone.

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      Operation Guillotine is in effect.
  32. Re:Deplorable by kiwimate · · Score: 2

    How can you be that knowledgeable about computers and exploits and still use the word "where" four times in two paragraphs when you should've used "were"? This is why they think they can get away with it, people - an enormous lack of linguistic awareness!

  33. Same experience without the video by kaychoro · · Score: 1
    I had the same call come to me twice. The second time I took a little more time and here's how it went: They usually ask you to open up the event viewer to show you all the "malware" on your system. After booting up my windows XP VM, he opened up a command prompt window to one of the Windows folders. Then he ran the command "attrib". at the end I got a similar the command prompt back:

    C:\Windows>Windows firewall subscription has expired.

    with the written text about the firewall being typed MUCH slower than my 8 year old son types. Eventually I told the guy he was doing all of this in a VM, and he didn't think I was as smart as I said, so he asked a couple of obscure computer questions (about msconfig and northbridge/southbridge)... I then asked him if I could ask him a question... I asked, "Will you take me off of your call list?" I tried to guilt him out of doing what he was doing, but I figured I'd wasted enough time, so I hung up. I haven't had another call since then.

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    1. Re:Same experience without the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One that a family member had was they typed in a phrase that started with "windows" into the command prompt, which returned the error about it not being a valid command. So they got half-way suckered in but still thought it was odd that they would call him. So lately, I've added a batch files called windows, version (as at least once a family member just typed "version" into window's search feature to find it), firewall and a couple of others. All of which echo the text:

      Notice: Anyone who has had you run this command is attempting to scam you.
      Do not give them any of your personally identifying information.
      Hang up on them immediately and disconnect the YELLOW cable attached to your router.
      Then call your computer technical support person.

      SOMEONE IS ATTEMPTING TO SCAM YOU.
      PLEASE DISCONNECT THE YELLOW CABLE ATTACHED TO YOUR ROUTER.
      DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL YOU TALK TO TECHNICAL SUPPORT.

      The yellow cable in question is the Ethernet connection between the router and either the cable or DSL modem (I got a whole bunch of them from a computer business that was liquidating). I've gotten numerous calls from older family members thanks to those batch files.

  34. Utter nonsense... by bayankaran · · Score: 1

    I feel bad for people there who have to pay bribes to buy a train ticket (which is everyone), and I feel worse when they come here and think they have to do the same .

    There are a lot of issues with India, but buying train tickets is not one of them.
    Indian Railway runs irctc.co.in - the portal for buying tickets. It is as good or bad as any system anywhere in the world. I have been using the portal for buying tickets for the last 12 years, as recently as May 22, 2012. I do not know how or where one has to pay a bribe.
    If you do not have online access/credit/debit cards, you can go to a booking center and book a ticket. There are touts or middlemen who will book your ticket for a fee if you do not want to stand in the queue, but thats not corruption.
    Please verify before you make blanket statements. If you met Indians from India who paid a bribe in buying a train ticket, I sympathize with them. They have been taken for a ride...apparently not a train ride.

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    Tat Tvam Asi
    1. Re:Utter nonsense... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      As of November, to actually board a train required a 'service fee' to the conductor beyond the posted and paid ticket price. I'm sorry sir that seat is not available.

      In fact, to question if this was still going on I asked my relatives who live variously between New Delhi and Allahabad and every single one of them had to pay a bribe to actually board a train the last time they did (which would in fact be today).

      I suppose it depends what class of ticket you have, where you're going, and what state(s) you're in. But UP at least, is corrupt top to bottom.

      Being a white guy with an indian last name has it's odd quirks when traveling to the area. My father is an indian guy with an indian name, he gets the same deal every other indian gets, even though he's obviously an expat. I on the other hand get one deal over the phone, and another in person. Naturally I have no problem paying the tourist price when asked, as that is probably appropriate. It's the odd in betweens, where I'm standing around with half a dozen locals and no one is quite sure whether to just charge me a pile of money as a tourist, or make me pay the customary unlisted fees.

    2. Re:Utter nonsense... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      2001, Full train. We were escorted to the stationmaster's rather large office, with only three chairs facing a large wooden desk, where we sat for five minutes while he wrote something at his desk. Eventually he looks up and tells us he can get us tickets for the train if we pay him.
      We got up, walked out, and caught a bus.

  35. Seriously damning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not for the scammers, but for the rest of us, and especially everyone who thinks that "intuitive" --the idea that people should be using computers without any training whatsoever-- is a good idea. Exactly because of this. The scammers are "stone age" because they don't need to be any more sophisticated.

    Think about that for a minute.

  36. Religion by waimate · · Score: 1

    I lead them along, then thank them profusely, then tell them god has a special place picked out for them, then ask if they believe in god (interestingly, 100% of them feel unable to duck this question and willingly admit they believe), then I tell them they're a bad, bad person and that god will send them to hell. To hell, I say.

    Free entertainment.

  37. scam sophistication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went through this a couple of months ago. I went through the whole spiel asking lots of annoying questions, and was amazed at how well the caller held his line. Then he passed me on to his supervisor, who lost it within 30 seconds when I started pointing out that the competitive environment in the scam industry meant that they really should update their business model and approach.

    Then I checked out the website they were selling their package from - http://www.teche4pc.com/ - and was again amazed at how sophisticed an online front they had built to their scam. I've had scam websites shut down before by contacting their hosting company, but to my dismay, this lot own their own hosting company. I then contated VeriSign India to try rattle them about a scam wearing their label, but they are totally not interested in investigating stuff like that.

    I know a few people that have been ripped off via scams. My elderly father fell for one of these tech support calls and handed over his credit card number (which we cancelled within 5 minutes so the damage was a lesson learned and a bit of embarrassment.

    (Posting as AC as my handle is not that anonymous.)

  38. Don't hang up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you get a call like this, do *not* hang up. Tell them that they need to speak to your dad, and you'll just get him.

    Put the phone down on the sideboard and go back to watching TV. Every few minutes pick it up and say "Sorry, he's just coming". See how long you can keep them on the line.

    These schemes only succeed by volume; if they call enough people *someone* will fall for it. Every second you can keep them on the phone for is a second that they aren't earning...

    1. Re:Don't hang up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sideboard? Are you Chas and/or Dave?

  39. I did this too by nozzo · · Score: 1

    I didn't think to video it but one day when I was working from home I got a call from 'Microsoft' wanting to 'fix' my PC. oh boy, I was literally rubbing my hands together with glee as I fired up my test VM and let them in. The caller put me through to a 'technical' guy. They setup a remote session but then I pretended that they lost 5 years of email they put the phone down! Can't wait for them to call back. he he.

  40. Re:Deplorable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe it was "script kiddies", but even the EFF has been having fun with the play on words recently: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150800474706946&set=a.406154656945.190921.97703891945&type=3
    http://youtu.be/nLnIaNFGViw

  41. Legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, is this legit, or is it a scammer trying to promote SOURCEfire?

  42. Caller ID : 0000000000 by stx23 · · Score: 1

    They've managed a neat trick in calling me recently, CallerID shows up as a row of 0s. It has also enabled me to set a silent ringtone to the number so I don't hear them call either.

  43. A friend said he got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He knew right away what it was. As soon as he asked which computer it was, his Linux or Mac box they hung up.

    Personally I just let the answering machine handle it. I screen my calls anyway so it's no big deal.

  44. Dollar Store Air Horns by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    The local dollar store sells air horns. They don't last very long but for a few bursts they are perfect. I can still be pleasantly surprised by stopping in dollar stores on just what they will sell.

  45. Re:Had a call JUST like this about 1 month ago by danbeck · · Score: 1

    Your post looked VERY informative and I REALLY wanted to read it, but they way you capitalize EVERY adverb and verb is really FREAKING annoying. Just STOP doing that, just STOP. You WORKED SO HARD on your comment, but it ONLY ended up making you look REALLY stupid.

  46. Link Plz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I checked everything he told me to do by first searching on google and within a few minutes I got to a webpage detailing the phone script the scammers were using.

    For our amusement, may we have a link or search terms please?

  47. Call back number! by DarkElven1 · · Score: 1

    One of my users got a call from these cons, but was smart enough to only play along a little to see what they were up to. She actually got the guy to give her his phone number, even though caller ID came back blocked. Now, every now and again, I call him back and mess with him. I play along with his script until I feel like turning it around and belittle him in various ways. If anyone else would like to join in on the fun, while the number is still active, it's 209-965-7943. They harass us and our users, now its our turn!

  48. Re:Had a call JUST like this about 1 month ago by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    APK, your story sounds odd. There was probably a reason for MSSE running slow, possibly an infection or some other problem with something the computer was doing.

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  49. No surpise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is anyone surprised that these guys that are attempting to exploit the human element aren't that good at the technical element?

  50. My boyfriend got a similar call... by courtTheBee · · Score: 1

    My boyfriend received one of these kinds of calls a few weeks ago and I just couldn't help but giggle in the background. He's like, a master linux sys admin and he decided to play with them a little bit as well.

    The phone conversation (not verbatim):
    Scammer: "We have been informed that you have malware on your computer and you need our software!"
    Boyfriend: "O rly? How do you know this?"
    Sc: "We are monitoring your computer and see that you have a lot of malware. You need to purchase our product to get rid of the malware!"
    BF: "How are you monitoring my computer?"
    Sc: "You have malware! We have your IP address!"
    BF: "Well, can you tell me what my IP address is?"
    Sc: "192.168.0.1 - you have malware!"
    BF: *starts laughing uncontrollably*
    Sc: "S-s-sir, you have malware! You need to purchase our product to save your computer! We are monitoring--"
    BF: *continues laughing*
    Sc: "Bu-but malware--"
    BF: *hangs up phone*

  51. "Stone Age" works just fine by confuscan · · Score: 1

    If what or who you're hunting has limited intelligence and defenses (typical target of AV spammers) then spears and rocks work just fine.

  52. Re:Had a call JUST like this about 1 month ago by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Why was this happening from an otherwise excellent program? Single Core CPU trying to run multithreaded code I suspect (yes, multithreaded code actually SLOWS DOWN due to overheads it has, on 1 core systems).

    It's simple: Microsoft makes money on every non-Apple computer sold. If they can slow your old box down enough to frustrate you, you'll buy a new computer and they've sold another copy of Windows.

    I suspect this is why Windows runs slower and slower as the machine ages. I suspect it's engineered to, just to make you buy a new PC!

    Back when I upgraded from 98 to XP, I'd just done a wipe and reinstall of 98 a week before installing XP (got XP because I stupidly forgot to check to see if I had driver disks for hardware and none of the drivers were available on the internet for 98, only XP). One of the installation screens bragged that XP was faster than 98. Well, it was faster than 98 was before I reinstalled 98, but actually a little slower than the freshly installed 98.

    The best free AV is Linux.

  53. Re:Had a call JUST like this about 1 month ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got them to give me a url they said was an online cleanup (which was NOT "legit", nor on ANY custom hosts file OR DNSBL yet)

    STOP! Hammertime.

    Anyone who thinks that a custom hosts file is a viable defense from malicious URLs is an idiot. (This means you, APK.)

  54. "Hold the line" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed and that is the origin of the phrase "please hold the line" - it was entirely within the control of the Caller to keep the line open - hence the basic receptionist training of "I'm putting you through now - please hold the line"

  55. Re:Had a call JUST like this about 1 month ago by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

    Hey APK, there is actually an easy fix for the MSE bug, I've run into that one myself quite a few times. if MSE gets a bad update instead of doing the smart thing and dumping it and starting over it will often load a bad update which will cause the thing to crap itself. Dumb i know, but that's what it does. Use Revo to uninstall it in moderate mode so it can clear out the leftover files and reg entries than just go to ninite.com and use their automated installer for MSE. it fixes it right up.

    Although more and more often I'm just giving them Comodo when they have a problem with MSE because while MSE works great on downloaded files it don't do jack shit about drive bys as it does not do a "scan before load" on web pages. You have to remember that MSE was NOT an antivirus, it was originally Giant antispy that MSFT just bought. It is the lowest resource but it also does the least, so its a trade off. And yes Comodo will occasionally flag a small dev program falsely but honestly? I'd rather they make little mistakes than like AVG flagging critical system files make big ones. the Comodo guys are pretty good about getting a false positive unflagged and they update every 4 hours so it propagates through the system pretty quickly.

    So just do that little trick, you can download revo from ninite so it won't take but a couple of minutes and his MSE will be right as rain. Its stupid, you shouldn't have to do that, but welcome to MSE, where dumbshit happens.

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    ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
  56. Windows 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I happened to be testing Windows 8 when I received one of these calls (this would have been a couple of days after the preview was released, so it was unlikely they were familiar with it). They kept insisting I press the start button in the lower left corner to "run something to show how infected my computer was". I managed to string them along for about 10 minutes before revealing I didn't have a start button any more because I was using Windows 8 and asked them would that make a difference to what they were asking. They didn't have a clue how to handle it. I have to say it was very satisfying...

  57. Re:Deplorable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans don't differentiate between t and d in the middle of words. Come to England i fyou really want to hear the difference

  58. Re:Thanks, can't hurt to try your suggestion by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

    I take it that its a REALLY old laptop then? Might want to tell him to keep an eye out on this site and grab him a cheap return because the celery is frankly a dog of a chip which i'm sure you know. I got myself one of those EEE-PC E350 netbooks and I can tell ya it stomped the Pentium mobile I had before it, really sweet and even does 1080p over HDMI.

    But that little trick i told you will fix him right up, hell i had to do that trick myself a couple of days ago because MSE crapped itself by trying to update while WU was trying to update MSE and boned itself. one of these days i'll have to toss it for Comodo but since that machine is mainly gaming and transcoding its not like its really in any danger of bugs and Comodo takes about 3 days to train.

    BTW if you give your roomie a hand be sure to point him towards ninite as that will take care of most of the "must have" software without any toolbars or 'clicky clicky next next next" bullshit. its the closest thing to a Windows repo I've ever found, you can even check the boxes for stuff you already have and it'll only install if there is a new version, just a great little resource. peace.

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    ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
  59. Re:Little tidbit in my "p.s." 4U (return favor) by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

    Let ya in on a little secret...old barb has been doing that one for years. the funny part is for a Linux user i have never heard anyone bitch about the broken crap as much as her and in fact last i heard she had said she had wiped her SUSE and replaced it with....WinXP! Anyway she's part of Noyes roundtable on Linux Insider (along with me as the "token Windows guy") and spends most of her time over there bitching but if you see her "Tom" UID she be trolling. hell I think the whole "Tom" handle stand for Trolling On...something, damned if I can remember.

    And you can tell your roomie i know what that is like, PC repair can be feast or famine and I have some customers on disability, that's a rough life. Tell him to keep an eye out on Craigslist, that is what I did for one of my disabled customers and I managed to snag him a less than 8 month old mint shape Dell mini Atom netbook for $80. compared to that POS old Pentium 4 Mobile (no shit, a P4 jammed in a laptop case! Talk about a lap burner) that Atom runs rings around it while giving him nearly 8 hours on a battery. I did some tweaking on it, cleaned out the extra Dell crap, turned off the services he'd never use, the usual, and now Win 7 starter shows he has nearly 600Mb free out of 1Gb on first boot and the thing is snappy as hell. Not as nice as my E350 but I wouldn't have any problem using it as a day to day machine.

    Nice choice on CPU BTW, those i7s are damned nice chips, little too rich for my blood. I got a couple of teen boys who also game so if I was rocking something THAT nice while they were sucking hind tit I'd never hear the end LOL! So me and the boys went AMD, the youngest has a Deneb quad while me and the oldest are rocking Thubans. You'd be surprised how much headroom those 1035Ts have, just for shits and giggles since my board has a killer OCing tool I decided to see what she would do and managed to go from 2.6Ghz to nearly 3.1Ghz without bumping the volts but in the end I figured...why bother? As you know with the i7 once you have that many cores it blows through any job like crap through a goose so now I just run stock, Turbo shoots it up to 3Ghz anyway when I just have 3 cores being hit so it isn't like it is dragging ass or anything.

    But you have yourself a great memorial day weekend APK,and just remember there really ain't no point in arguing against groupthink on THIS site, you may as well be pissing in the wind for all the good it'll do. I mean there is Barb running WinXP and STILL defending Linux, when the damned thing wouldn't even work for her without crapping all over itself on update LOL! That is why I have any FOSS articles just blocked, no point in wasting your breath on the close minded ya know? Peace.

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    ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
  60. Re:Keep blowin' ur mod points trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, KEEP BLOWING THOSE MODPOINTS of yours trolls! You'll run dry of them

    Admins have unlimited modpoints, and I've not been "blowing" anything but a few clicks of the mouse to send every single one of your useless spammy posts their direction so they can nuke you to -1 where you belong.

  61. Re:Little tidbit in my "p.s." 4U (return favor) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barbie used to be a man, so I'll let you guess where "Tom" comes from. Although for a while she'd cleverly (re?)defined it as "The Online Me".

  62. Re:Keep blowin' ur modpoints trolls, lol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rage harder, faggot.

  63. Re:My, my "such language" (lmao) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't used a modpoint on you in... oh, weeks, months probably.

  64. Re:"Barbie troll" has disappeared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wish. Lose some weight, fatass, you might be able to finally find your dick and discover a more entertaining pastime than spamming Slashdot.

  65. Re:Barbara, not Barbie stalks by ac posts? Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wanker

  66. Throw it back at them by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    (proved):

    So when you get the call, make a holy show of not being able to install the software. Just sort of randomly offer your public IP, and when they jump on your dick for it, give it to them and let 'em rip:

    "One two seven dot zero dot zero dot one."

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    Operation Guillotine is in effect.