I live in southern Ohio, and we've had an incident from the other side of this argument.
Basically, 3 college kids came to a car show that had a lot of "adult" activities going on (Mardi Gras type: drinking, girls lifting their tops to show off, etc.) The college kids (from North Carolina, I believe) took some pictures, went back to school, and posted some "what we did on our trip" photos on a web-site. As far as anyone knows (and everyone has stated) there was absolutely no interaction between the college students and the girls aside from the flash of the skin and the flash of the camera.
Meanwhile, the show had incensed so many of the local residents ("buckle of the bible belt" is particularly apt around here) that they wanted to prevent it from ever happening again. One of the folks search for photos of the event, found a picture of a 17-year local girl who was flashing the camera, and pushed to local county prosecutor into filing child pornography charges against the college kids.
The kids were indicted, arrested, extradited from North Carolina to Ohio, and now face hard prison time and being branded as sexual predators for life...all because they took photos of girls showing their goodies.
In my opinion, child pornography is a horrible thing, and anyone who abuses children should be tied to a table alone with the kid/parents and a rack of knives. However, it's just as much of an abuse to subvert the law and ruin multiple lives (the kids, their parents, their friends) to forward your own moral agenda.
The show was called "Cruise Fest", the county is the Scioto County, Ohio, and the website for the clerk of courts (and therefore the case information) is located at Scioto County clerk of court.
Same here...plus 7-zip, Celestia (lots of families with school-children), and a bunch of others.
I also have been putting in ClamWin when Norton dies/expires. 99% of the time it works (for some reason, random XP Home editions refuse to run it), and when it does, it saves a few bucks. I haven't used AVG myself, but I've heard good things about it...yet another in a long list of late-night study sessions to keep my head above water.
Better watch out! Despite his bald head and suspiciously gay-looking earring, Mr. Clean is gonna kick all y'all's asses!
Notice the proper use of the plural...definitely a fine product of a Southern American college!
And it don't matter anyways...the Pine-Sol sponge will wipe the floor with youens when the Tide comes in around Dawn...The floor will no longer be red from the blood of the Unbelievers!
Which brings up my thought during ROTS: Chewbacca went from being a mighty general who fought with Yoda to a smuggler who hangs out in Moes-Eisly space port. What dark path did he follow?
Selling Meth to the Ewoks?
Smuggling Ridlin in for the Jawas?
And then there were those movies a few years ago that he just doesn't want to talk about...but he needed the money.
Office mobile... because paper clips should be able to piss you off no matter where you are.
Why mod this as a troll? Maybe not a spectacular joke, but since more people on/. than not seem to dislike the little paper-clip/dog/einstein than like it, it's at least worth a chuckle.
At worst, I would chuckle and not give it mod points at all.
Just a little background info first. I was stationed as Naval Air Station Meridian as the air wing's network administrator for 3-1/2 yrs starting in 2001. (I was also an instructor for the jet program.) So, my comments are from direct, personal experience.
Things have probably changed in the last year since I left, I'm sure, but a little perspective might be in order.
While I was there, I did software development for personal interest, fun, and the thrill of making something that would help everyone. No glory, no money, just because I enjoyed it. I also did some development for some Coalition projects for multinational forces, basically because they needed it and no one else had anything that was even close to being finished ("close" meaning a beta version in less than a year.) I've used a lot of different OSS, but my own personal favorites were Java or Java+Tomcat. (Go ahead and email me directly if you want to criticise those choices; I can take it.)
During my tenure, internal software development was on the run. The NMCI project (Google for "EDS" and "NMCI" and you'll find out plenty) worked to specifically kill any applications that weren't "approved." There were legitimate reasons for this, but the end result was that practically only MS and MS-compatible products were allowed...bad news for anyone who wanted to write software.
One of the reasons I left (amongst many, none bitter) was that I enjoyed working with software but knew that I would have absolutely no future in it if I stayed in. Glad to find out I was wrong.
It's a very small step, but to have it officially announced that OSS is being used for a project shows that someone, somewhere, is paying attention to the (God forgive me for using this term...personally, I hate it) changes in "paradigms" about how software is developed, used, and implemented.
I like to program; I know dozens of other military guys/gals who also like it. It's good to see that they may have a future that allows them to do some good and enjoy it.
I was going to mod, but decided to jump in, instead...
I don't know Linus, I'm not a kernel-demigod, and you may know a lot more about him than I do. And while I'm a linux-enthusiast (and therefore an admirer of all the work that goes into it), I'm not a groupie who automatically jumps up to defend the Order of the Penguin.
With that said, I don't see how "contemporary ideas" have anything to do with his ability to manage and guide the development of an OS. I've read correspondence about kernel issues (as I've come across them), and it always seems to me that he tries to keep it simple and direct. "Does it work?" and "Will it screw things up later?" appear to be the underlying themes...very admirable ones, in my opinion.
Even more to the point: Why should anyone care if he has little or know knowledge outside his project? (And it appears to me that he has a lot of experience...but I can't/won't try to rattle off his resume. See above.)
If I have to have brain surgery, I don't give a damn whether or not my surgeon knows how to do an appendectomy; he's got one job to do, and that's all I care about.
Well-rounded educations, backgrounds, etc. are great when your project has to cover a wide range of issues. (Ever get involved in a government software project? It's a nightmare!) But if your needs are specific, then the more of an expert you are in that one area, the better off you'll be.
To me, he's a smart guy doing a pretty good job of herding cats. 'Nuff said.
I agree, in that wars do change, and we shouldn't be restricted by the "rules" or patterns of the past. That's why I said that so much sweat goes into it.
However, your post and mine beg the question of defining a "war." I agree that the current situation in Iraq is less of a war, and I would call it more realistically an occupation (maybe post-WWII Germany/Japan occupation, with "rebuilding" as the goal.)
As far as "push-button war," I can only say that it happens if both sides agree/plan/intend to operate with high-tech weapons. I don't see the hostiles in Iraq going that route...
Which brings me to your last, and (IMHO) best, point: Low-tech fighters are going to figure out that the guy with the Playstation or Gameboy is the one to hit, and it'll be back to man vs. man, attackers vs. defenders.
I guess my point was that it's not going to turn into Terminator or Rockem, Sockem Robots anytime soon. People just don't change that quickly, and a rebel/terrorist/whatever with a gutful of hate and a loaded magazine isn't going to be happy blowing up a fancy little tractor.
BTW, understand and appreciate your comment about the troops, etc. Hope none of my postings come off as rabid military-is-right newspeak.
I realize this may become flamebait, but I just gotta answer.
First, I agree with the relevant sentence: "..lower the bar for ethics and morality.." There is a danger that the ability to kill with impunity (in this instance, no danger to yourself) will lead to gross abuses of power. Sadly enough, it happens all the time.
Terminator sci-fi scenarios aside, however, I believe that the end result will be a more complicated battlefield with just another offensive/defensive capability. It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
Examples:
Machine guns, late 1800s-early 1900s
Tanks, WWI - WWII
Aircraft, same time
Submarines
ICBMs
Stealth
Etc, etc. Technology (digital, material, nuclear, whatever) increases our killing power, but eventually everyone (relatively speaking) either gets to an approximate base of technology or it's abandoned altogether.
In the end, however, wars have always come down to a soldier/marine/Zulu standing on a piece of ground and saying, "This is mine." Technology simply expands the size of that piece of ground.
To back it up, I spent 16 years of my life in the Marine Corps and Navy, and we studied it, argued it, and practiced it. A lot of work and sweat goes into war (preventing or fighting one), but the basic principles always remain the same.
Magic 8-ball prediction: Lots of hype, overblown claims of success/failure/abuse, then a real application of the concept over the next 10-20 years.
(BTW, you can probably guess my thoughts on the first part of the above post.)
I can't find the URL, but there is a whole slew of government reports on forensic copying tools. (I'm a private investigator, among other things, so the reports were immediately relevant in my line of work.)
They were official reports on the results of copying various file systems under various loads and conditions (ext2, ext3, FAT16 and 32, NTFS, etc), and went into great detail on how well they worked.
Several versions of dd were used, but the overall winner (from my initial readings) was the dd that came with FreeBSD (can't remember the exact version). Most others did really well, but only that dd tool was able to faithfully copy NTFS volumes.
I've been working on trying to follow up so I can be prepared in case a client ever needs those services--so far, none has, but it's just a matter of time.
This stretches the definition of "terrorism."
Real terrorism is an act against a civil populace for a political purpose...basically, trying to attack a government through its citizens.
This particular instance seems to fall entirely under criminal law...maybe vandalism at best. The fact that he directed them towards 911 just shows that he wasn't a very bright criminal.
(I would have sent them to the NAMBLA help desk--kill two birds with one stone!)
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I live in southern Ohio, and we've had an incident from the other side of this argument.
Basically, 3 college kids came to a car show that had a lot of "adult" activities going on (Mardi Gras type: drinking, girls lifting their tops to show off, etc.) The college kids (from North Carolina, I believe) took some pictures, went back to school, and posted some "what we did on our trip" photos on a web-site. As far as anyone knows (and everyone has stated) there was absolutely no interaction between the college students and the girls aside from the flash of the skin and the flash of the camera.
Meanwhile, the show had incensed so many of the local residents ("buckle of the bible belt" is particularly apt around here) that they wanted to prevent it from ever happening again. One of the folks search for photos of the event, found a picture of a 17-year local girl who was flashing the camera, and pushed to local county prosecutor into filing child pornography charges against the college kids.
The kids were indicted, arrested, extradited from North Carolina to Ohio, and now face hard prison time and being branded as sexual predators for life...all because they took photos of girls showing their goodies.
In my opinion, child pornography is a horrible thing, and anyone who abuses children should be tied to a table alone with the kid/parents and a rack of knives. However, it's just as much of an abuse to subvert the law and ruin multiple lives (the kids, their parents, their friends) to forward your own moral agenda.
The show was called "Cruise Fest", the county is the Scioto County, Ohio, and the website for the clerk of courts (and therefore the case information) is located at Scioto County clerk of court.
When I find the actual case, I'll post it here.
Same here...plus 7-zip, Celestia (lots of families with school-children), and a bunch of others.
I also have been putting in ClamWin when Norton dies/expires. 99% of the time it works (for some reason, random XP Home editions refuse to run it), and when it does, it saves a few bucks. I haven't used AVG myself, but I've heard good things about it...yet another in a long list of late-night study sessions to keep my head above water.
Better watch out! Despite his bald head and suspiciously gay-looking earring, Mr. Clean is gonna kick all y'all's asses!
Notice the proper use of the plural...definitely a fine product of a Southern American college!
And it don't matter anyways...the Pine-Sol sponge will wipe the floor with youens when the Tide comes in around Dawn...The floor will no longer be red from the blood of the Unbelievers!
But none of them do Windows...
Which brings up my thought during ROTS: Chewbacca went from being a mighty general who fought with Yoda to a smuggler who hangs out in Moes-Eisly space port. What dark path did he follow?
Why mod this as a troll? Maybe not a spectacular joke, but since more people on /. than not seem to dislike the little paper-clip/dog/einstein than like it, it's at least worth a chuckle.
At worst, I would chuckle and not give it mod points at all.
Just a little background info first. I was stationed as Naval Air Station Meridian as the air wing's network administrator for 3-1/2 yrs starting in 2001. (I was also an instructor for the jet program.) So, my comments are from direct, personal experience.
Things have probably changed in the last year since I left, I'm sure, but a little perspective might be in order.
While I was there, I did software development for personal interest, fun, and the thrill of making something that would help everyone. No glory, no money, just because I enjoyed it. I also did some development for some Coalition projects for multinational forces, basically because they needed it and no one else had anything that was even close to being finished ("close" meaning a beta version in less than a year.) I've used a lot of different OSS, but my own personal favorites were Java or Java+Tomcat. (Go ahead and email me directly if you want to criticise those choices; I can take it.)
During my tenure, internal software development was on the run. The NMCI project (Google for "EDS" and "NMCI" and you'll find out plenty) worked to specifically kill any applications that weren't "approved." There were legitimate reasons for this, but the end result was that practically only MS and MS-compatible products were allowed...bad news for anyone who wanted to write software.
One of the reasons I left (amongst many, none bitter) was that I enjoyed working with software but knew that I would have absolutely no future in it if I stayed in. Glad to find out I was wrong.
It's a very small step, but to have it officially announced that OSS is being used for a project shows that someone, somewhere, is paying attention to the (God forgive me for using this term...personally, I hate it) changes in "paradigms" about how software is developed, used, and implemented.
I like to program; I know dozens of other military guys/gals who also like it. It's good to see that they may have a future that allows them to do some good and enjoy it.
I was going to mod, but decided to jump in, instead... I don't know Linus, I'm not a kernel-demigod, and you may know a lot more about him than I do. And while I'm a linux-enthusiast (and therefore an admirer of all the work that goes into it), I'm not a groupie who automatically jumps up to defend the Order of the Penguin. With that said, I don't see how "contemporary ideas" have anything to do with his ability to manage and guide the development of an OS. I've read correspondence about kernel issues (as I've come across them), and it always seems to me that he tries to keep it simple and direct. "Does it work?" and "Will it screw things up later?" appear to be the underlying themes...very admirable ones, in my opinion. Even more to the point: Why should anyone care if he has little or know knowledge outside his project? (And it appears to me that he has a lot of experience...but I can't/won't try to rattle off his resume. See above.) If I have to have brain surgery, I don't give a damn whether or not my surgeon knows how to do an appendectomy; he's got one job to do, and that's all I care about. Well-rounded educations, backgrounds, etc. are great when your project has to cover a wide range of issues. (Ever get involved in a government software project? It's a nightmare!) But if your needs are specific, then the more of an expert you are in that one area, the better off you'll be. To me, he's a smart guy doing a pretty good job of herding cats. 'Nuff said.
I agree, in that wars do change, and we shouldn't be restricted by the "rules" or patterns of the past. That's why I said that so much sweat goes into it.
However, your post and mine beg the question of defining a "war." I agree that the current situation in Iraq is less of a war, and I would call it more realistically an occupation (maybe post-WWII Germany/Japan occupation, with "rebuilding" as the goal.)
As far as "push-button war," I can only say that it happens if both sides agree/plan/intend to operate with high-tech weapons. I don't see the hostiles in Iraq going that route...
Which brings me to your last, and (IMHO) best, point: Low-tech fighters are going to figure out that the guy with the Playstation or Gameboy is the one to hit, and it'll be back to man vs. man, attackers vs. defenders.
I guess my point was that it's not going to turn into Terminator or Rockem, Sockem Robots anytime soon. People just don't change that quickly, and a rebel/terrorist/whatever with a gutful of hate and a loaded magazine isn't going to be happy blowing up a fancy little tractor.
BTW, understand and appreciate your comment about the troops, etc. Hope none of my postings come off as rabid military-is-right newspeak.
I realize this may become flamebait, but I just gotta answer.
First, I agree with the relevant sentence: "..lower the bar for ethics and morality.." There is a danger that the ability to kill with impunity (in this instance, no danger to yourself) will lead to gross abuses of power. Sadly enough, it happens all the time.
Terminator sci-fi scenarios aside, however, I believe that the end result will be a more complicated battlefield with just another offensive/defensive capability. It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
Etc, etc. Technology (digital, material, nuclear, whatever) increases our killing power, but eventually everyone (relatively speaking) either gets to an approximate base of technology or it's abandoned altogether.
In the end, however, wars have always come down to a soldier/marine/Zulu standing on a piece of ground and saying, "This is mine." Technology simply expands the size of that piece of ground.
To back it up, I spent 16 years of my life in the Marine Corps and Navy, and we studied it, argued it, and practiced it. A lot of work and sweat goes into war (preventing or fighting one), but the basic principles always remain the same.
Magic 8-ball prediction: Lots of hype, overblown claims of success/failure/abuse, then a real application of the concept over the next 10-20 years.
(BTW, you can probably guess my thoughts on the first part of the above post.)
I can't find the URL, but there is a whole slew of government reports on forensic copying tools. (I'm a private investigator, among other things, so the reports were immediately relevant in my line of work.)
They were official reports on the results of copying various file systems under various loads and conditions (ext2, ext3, FAT16 and 32, NTFS, etc), and went into great detail on how well they worked.
Several versions of dd were used, but the overall winner (from my initial readings) was the dd that came with FreeBSD (can't remember the exact version). Most others did really well, but only that dd tool was able to faithfully copy NTFS volumes.
I've been working on trying to follow up so I can be prepared in case a client ever needs those services--so far, none has, but it's just a matter of time.
This stretches the definition of "terrorism." Real terrorism is an act against a civil populace for a political purpose...basically, trying to attack a government through its citizens. This particular instance seems to fall entirely under criminal law...maybe vandalism at best. The fact that he directed them towards 911 just shows that he wasn't a very bright criminal. (I would have sent them to the NAMBLA help desk--kill two birds with one stone!)