You can send a kid from a poor background to university for that amount of money. Full scholarship to any state university in the US. You can even buy a house some places for that much. $75k is a lot to spend on a glorified pissing post. And this isn't even counting the yearly maintenance to the hydraulics and self cleaning gizmos.
between foregoing security updates or switching to that bloated thunderbird GUI monstrosity...
Pine is still being developed - in fact, a text-mode replacement called Alpine is due to be released by UW soon. It's just a 3rd-party patch site that's going down.
because first having a select menu, where you can do different things and first have to do something before you see your mail folder is sooo intuitive.
The way that the select menu is set up is actually quite intuitive since a simple "enter-enter" after starting pine gets you to your inbox. Besides, who's to say that you're starting pine to read e-mail? You could be using it to compose a new message and not want to type the address on the command line. Besides, I'm used to it - I've been using it for 10 years, so it's easy for me:)
Or having first to enable that you can see headers in some absurd long menu, before you can use the show headers shortcut to see the headers.
Annoying but not tragic. Given a good sysadmin, he'd have fixed that with a custom pinerc or.pinerc in/etc/skel. Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to distribute pine with that feature turned on, but it really doesn't matter since it's a no-brainer to activate it for all users.
Now you screen 1,000,000 people looking for one suspect, your system turns up 10,001 positives. Which one is it?
Worse, what if the answer is "none," since the actual criminal is either not in the database or wasn't recognized? Will the pressure to solve the case become great enough to pick the likeliest suspect out of those 10,001, and try to get a conviction.
In Texas, there was a case where two janitors were the suspect in the killing of a girl. One was Black, one was White. There was no strong evidence either way, so the police said to the Black man, "someone's gotta fry for this, you're the n-gg-r so you're elected." Turned out that neither of them was guilty, but the Black janitor lost 10 years of his life on Death Row. Fortunately, they didn't actually execute him.
Why Democrats getting stopped? Because they would be more likely to want to fight the no fly lists and other anti-terrorist measures.
Not really. Members of both parties, these days, with few exceptions are authoritarians. Remember that Democrats were strongly behind the PATRIOT Act and the Dept of Homeland Security right after 9/11. If you want freedom, vote Libertarian or Independent.
Permissions would be a problem if you put all your data on an ext3 disk under Windows, too.
XP, at least, will run under FAT32 which basically lacks permissions and ACLs. Couldn't it, in theory, work under ext3, assuming that it ignored anything but the first +r flag?
Eh, up there you're all (ugly) lesbians, filthy hippies or both anyway so who gives a crap?
Nah, more like limousine liberals. The *real* hippies have all moved out to Vermont or Oregon. Cheaper living, more land, cleaner air, and less intrusive government:-P
Vote in a government that openly wants a lot of power, and this is what you get. Oh, but it's necessary for government to have that power to raise taxes, set rules. Because that government is needed to do some good.:-P
And Taxachusetts has been known as a viper's nest of do-gooders and Puritans since the time of the Pilgrims. Keep in mind that in the 1600s, you could be hanged for fathering a child out of wedlock among other things, something that didn't normally happen even in Britain at that time. If you want a *free* society, move to New Hampshire or Vermont, depending on whether your leanings are Libertarian-Conservative or Libertarian-Socialist.
Or come down to NYC where we have a lot of laws but few people willing to actually obey the lot of them.
And when did having a felony conviction in one's past having any effect on whether one can get a driver's license or not?
I don't think this applies to all felons. However, it would make sense if you were (say) driving drunk and killed someone with your car. Manslaughter is a felony, and you'd definitely not want that person driving anytime soon.
The jerk-off cops didn't care that they had the wrong person. They still kept her illegally and lied to a judge to keep her in jail even longer.
If they lied to a judge, shouldn't they go to prison for perjury? Lying to secure an arrest or conviction carries the same amount of prison time (or even execution) as your "victim" served in a lot of states. So shouldn't they sit in jail for at least a week?
Better yet, there's always the option of someone finding them in a dark alley and using a baseball bat to rearrange their faces so that children won't ever be able to look at them in the face without running crying to mommy.
If you've behaved and it's been long enough (rules vary by state ~3-7 years after finishing your sentence including any parole) you might be able to get an annulment.
Vastly depends on the state and the will of the county judge. Plus you need money for various court fees and possibly for an attorney, but if you aren't working you may not have the money.
I understand your point, but by the same token would you want a convicted burglar as a house-sitter or a convicted child molester babysitting your children?
The convicted burglar? Depending on circumstances. If he broke into a store because he was starving on the street at age 18, and he's now 40, sure, why not? The child molester should never be let out onto the streets again. If someone's enough of a bastard to rape a child, they should get a mandatory death penalty.
Trust, unfortunately, is like fine crystal- once broken, it will never be the same. It can be repaired, but the initial breakage will always be there as a reminder. It is unfortunate that you made a bad choice in your youth, and that the results of your choice appears in any background checks done, but you cannot expect to engender 100% trustworthiness with a criminal record.
What about things like drug convictions? Some employers refuse to hire anyone with *any* criminal record. Personally, I think that unless someone has proven themselves to be a complete psychopath - i.e. multiple murders, child rape, etc, they can usually be reformed. The brain isn't the same at age 21 as it is at age 30 or even age 25. Also, people do have the ability to least from their mistakes.
And not all crimes are what they seem anyway. When I was 22, I was arrested (fortunately not convicted and even the arrest record was expunged eventually, thanks to a good lawyer I knew) for felony riot. The reason for the arrest? I had told off - but used no physical violence towards - a cop who had broken into a party on a noise complaint and punched my friend in the face for no reason. The cop wanted to "get me back" so he charged me with a felony - even the judge later agreed that that wasn't a reasonable charge.
today with cellphones, who uses them? they should be 24 hours below ground.
Foreign tourists that have GSM phones that don't work on US frequencies. People whose cellphone battery is dead and don't want to pay ass-raping rates for a quick charge. People who don't need a cell phone for work and don't want to pay $40/mo for a service they don't often use, yet need to make phone calls outside of home. People who want to remain anonymous - say, when giving a tip to the police about a prominent politician. Need I go on?
Besides, how is using a pay phone comparable to pissing in the street?
I moved to Thunderbird years ago. I'm not very rich but I can easily afford the CPU horsepower needed by Thunderbird. For others there's always mutt.
But what if I don't want a GUI e-mail client? Sure I can afford the CPU usage, but I'd rather have something small that lives in an SSH window or can even be used on systems where X isn't installed. And most of the graphics sent to me in e-mails are either (a) spam or (b) crap like signatures. The other 1% I can view in webmail should I need to.
Pine is just useless, and it should be abandoned.
Useless how? It allows you to read e-mail and organize it into different folders. What else is needed? A decent search function would be nice, I'd admit, but it's nothing that can't be easily written. That's like saying a 1960s car is useless because it doesn't have power windows, A/C, or ABS brakes...
The fate of Pine and nearly any other major character/terminal-oriented software no longer matters to me.
My laptop is set up to connect to my work VPN (actually my, since I have my own consulting company) basically continuously, no matter what wireless net it's on. It's much faster to then ssh in to my mail server - BSD not Linux:) - and fire up pine or mutt than it is to wait for Thunderbird or (Zoraster forbid!) Outlook to start up. And 99% of the time, graphics in my work e-mail are irrelevant. For the other 1%, there's webmail.
And, FYI, I can do a lot of stuff faster in a command shell than in a GUI. At least you don't need to twiddle a pointer around.
I know. I'm saying that worms could drop a payload that turns a machine into a botnet zombie.
Out of interest, as you were still installing the machine and hadn't yet installed all the updates, why wasn't it behind a locked-down firewall allowing only outgoing connections?
Because I was young, inexperienced, etc, and the previous sysadmin had put the server into a DMZ...
Because Image Stream http://www.imagestream.com/ already makes a REALLY capable Intel-based router, which is derived from Slackware, I believe. A lot of our Cisco gear is being phased out by the Image Stream products, since the Image Stream gear performs so much better, and is easier to manage. However, at my previous place of employment (also an ISP, but a much bigger one) we used exclusively Cisco equipment, and God help you if you tried to bring *anything* Linux into that environment:/
Cool, I'll have a look. Might be useful in my line of work since I tend to consult for small and medium-sized open-minded companies.
The vast majority of the net-using population don't know the difference between port 25 and a hole in the head. They'll never notice it's been blocked, except that the 'bots on their computers won't be able to spew so much spam.
They'll notice when they can't connect to their work mail servers (for example).
Third, and this is the big reason, most common networking equipment simply hasn't got the CPU to handle a bunch of filters. A Cisco 3640 on my network, for example, shows it only has a 100MHz processor--how much filtering do you think it can do without impacting throughput? An AS5300 on my network is only 150MHz.
So why not use standard servers with more than one Ethernet card running a Linux distro (or IPCop) plus ClamAV, Spamassassin, and ProxSMTP? Fast Intel-based hardware is relatively inexpensive and very reliable nowadays especially if it's redundant.
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Use a "borrowed" WiFi connection or a anonymous proxy. Not much that can do, really.
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*coughs up bloody phlegm*. "You insensitive clod!"
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Pine is still being developed - in fact, a text-mode replacement called Alpine is due to be released by UW soon. It's just a 3rd-party patch site that's going down.
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The way that the select menu is set up is actually quite intuitive since a simple "enter-enter" after starting pine gets you to your inbox. Besides, who's to say that you're starting pine to read e-mail? You could be using it to compose a new message and not want to type the address on the command line. Besides, I'm used to it - I've been using it for 10 years, so it's easy for me :)
Or having first to enable that you can see headers in some absurd long menu, before you can use the show headers shortcut to see the headers.
Annoying but not tragic. Given a good sysadmin, he'd have fixed that with a custom pinerc or .pinerc in /etc/skel. Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to distribute pine with that feature turned on, but it really doesn't matter since it's a no-brainer to activate it for all users.
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Worse, what if the answer is "none," since the actual criminal is either not in the database or wasn't recognized? Will the pressure to solve the case become great enough to pick the likeliest suspect out of those 10,001, and try to get a conviction.
In Texas, there was a case where two janitors were the suspect in the killing of a girl. One was Black, one was White. There was no strong evidence either way, so the police said to the Black man, "someone's gotta fry for this, you're the n-gg-r so you're elected." Turned out that neither of them was guilty, but the Black janitor lost 10 years of his life on Death Row. Fortunately, they didn't actually execute him.
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Not really. Members of both parties, these days, with few exceptions are authoritarians. Remember that Democrats were strongly behind the PATRIOT Act and the Dept of Homeland Security right after 9/11. If you want freedom, vote Libertarian or Independent.
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XP, at least, will run under FAT32 which basically lacks permissions and ACLs. Couldn't it, in theory, work under ext3, assuming that it ignored anything but the first +r flag?
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Nah, more like limousine liberals. The *real* hippies have all moved out to Vermont or Oregon. Cheaper living, more land, cleaner air, and less intrusive government :-P
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And Taxachusetts has been known as a viper's nest of do-gooders and Puritans since the time of the Pilgrims. Keep in mind that in the 1600s, you could be hanged for fathering a child out of wedlock among other things, something that didn't normally happen even in Britain at that time. If you want a *free* society, move to New Hampshire or Vermont, depending on whether your leanings are Libertarian-Conservative or Libertarian-Socialist.
Or come down to NYC where we have a lot of laws but few people willing to actually obey the lot of them.
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I don't think this applies to all felons. However, it would make sense if you were (say) driving drunk and killed someone with your car. Manslaughter is a felony, and you'd definitely not want that person driving anytime soon.
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If they lied to a judge, shouldn't they go to prison for perjury? Lying to secure an arrest or conviction carries the same amount of prison time (or even execution) as your "victim" served in a lot of states. So shouldn't they sit in jail for at least a week?
Better yet, there's always the option of someone finding them in a dark alley and using a baseball bat to rearrange their faces so that children won't ever be able to look at them in the face without running crying to mommy.
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Vastly depends on the state and the will of the county judge. Plus you need money for various court fees and possibly for an attorney, but if you aren't working you may not have the money.
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The convicted burglar? Depending on circumstances. If he broke into a store because he was starving on the street at age 18, and he's now 40, sure, why not? The child molester should never be let out onto the streets again. If someone's enough of a bastard to rape a child, they should get a mandatory death penalty.
Trust, unfortunately, is like fine crystal- once broken, it will never be the same. It can be repaired, but the initial breakage will always be there as a reminder. It is unfortunate that you made a bad choice in your youth, and that the results of your choice appears in any background checks done, but you cannot expect to engender 100% trustworthiness with a criminal record.
What about things like drug convictions? Some employers refuse to hire anyone with *any* criminal record. Personally, I think that unless someone has proven themselves to be a complete psychopath - i.e. multiple murders, child rape, etc, they can usually be reformed. The brain isn't the same at age 21 as it is at age 30 or even age 25. Also, people do have the ability to least from their mistakes.
And not all crimes are what they seem anyway. When I was 22, I was arrested (fortunately not convicted and even the arrest record was expunged eventually, thanks to a good lawyer I knew) for felony riot. The reason for the arrest? I had told off - but used no physical violence towards - a cop who had broken into a party on a noise complaint and punched my friend in the face for no reason. The cop wanted to "get me back" so he charged me with a felony - even the judge later agreed that that wasn't a reasonable charge.
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How long before the cities that install them get sued for discrimination? Not to mention all the handicapped people who can't stand up to pee...
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Foreign tourists that have GSM phones that don't work on US frequencies. People whose cellphone battery is dead and don't want to pay ass-raping rates for a quick charge. People who don't need a cell phone for work and don't want to pay $40/mo for a service they don't often use, yet need to make phone calls outside of home. People who want to remain anonymous - say, when giving a tip to the police about a prominent politician. Need I go on?
Besides, how is using a pay phone comparable to pissing in the street?
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But what if I don't want a GUI e-mail client? Sure I can afford the CPU usage, but I'd rather have something small that lives in an SSH window or can even be used on systems where X isn't installed. And most of the graphics sent to me in e-mails are either (a) spam or (b) crap like signatures. The other 1% I can view in webmail should I need to.
Pine is just useless, and it should be abandoned.
Useless how? It allows you to read e-mail and organize it into different folders. What else is needed? A decent search function would be nice, I'd admit, but it's nothing that can't be easily written. That's like saying a 1960s car is useless because it doesn't have power windows, A/C, or ABS brakes...
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The UI sucks and is so non-intuitive as compared to Pine that there's really no comparison.
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My laptop is set up to connect to my work VPN (actually my, since I have my own consulting company) basically continuously, no matter what wireless net it's on. It's much faster to then ssh in to my mail server - BSD not Linux :) - and fire up pine or mutt than it is to wait for Thunderbird or (Zoraster forbid!) Outlook to start up. And 99% of the time, graphics in my work e-mail are irrelevant. For the other 1%, there's webmail.
And, FYI, I can do a lot of stuff faster in a command shell than in a GUI. At least you don't need to twiddle a pointer around.
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I rather like a flatfile backend. It makes it easier to edit corrupted message store files.
GUI front end? I thought we were talking about text mode mail clients?
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I know. I'm saying that worms could drop a payload that turns a machine into a botnet zombie.
Out of interest, as you were still installing the machine and hadn't yet installed all the updates, why wasn't it behind a locked-down firewall allowing only outgoing connections?
Because I was young, inexperienced, etc, and the previous sysadmin had put the server into a DMZ...
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Cool, I'll have a look. Might be useful in my line of work since I tend to consult for small and medium-sized open-minded companies.
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They'll notice when they can't connect to their work mail servers (for example).
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So why not use standard servers with more than one Ethernet card running a Linux distro (or IPCop) plus ClamAV, Spamassassin, and ProxSMTP? Fast Intel-based hardware is relatively inexpensive and very reliable nowadays especially if it's redundant.
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Not useful if I want to interact with the server as another server out there in the ether, which is the ultimate test of functionality after all.
Besides, I don't have that problem since my ISP doesn't block 25. If they did, I'd drop them like a red hot potato.
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