When was hardware and software to poor schools ever part of the trial?
The remedy can be punitive in any way the courts see fit. I don't see why it's not reasonable to attack their markets where it hurts them the most as a punishment.
I think just about every school with a Computer Science program has a machine named "turing". It's kind of like naming schools after famous people, but in a geeky way:-)
It could be they are naming it after the famous Computer Scientist, or it could be a joke on the Turing Machine. You know, like so they can say "and this, is the Turing Machine".
Kind of like how ILM used to have a computer named Dagobah.... "and this, is the Dagobah System".
Considering my wife runs Office 2000 on an old K6 233Mhz PC with Win/98 -- and the speed is fine -- you are just spreading more Microsoft FUD.
Considering that Office 2000 is now more than 2 and 1/2 years old, back when a K6-233 wasn't that slow of a machine, your wife's experiences really don't count for much.
Besides, Microsoft FUD is what Microsoft does to convince you that you really don't want to use (Lotus, Wordperfect, OS/2, Linux, pick one). If the poster was spreading FUD it was anti-Microsoft FUD.
Encourage the Senator to remain aware that legislation about the Internet doesn't have crisp borders. Bits don't change color when they cross national boundaries.
True, but any network company doing business in the US is required to follow US law. Requiring all network providers to do egress filtering and to aggressively shutdown offending blocks of addresses would be a good step.
Perhaps the government could maintain a centralized control center that would coordinate reports of attacks, contact offending network providers and monitor corrective actions.
If this worked, then these practices could be spread to other countries via treaties or other international agreements.
I guess one problem is that this would make anyone performing cross-border connections (satellite, phone lines, etc.) a "network provider" and subject to potentially stifling regulation. Maybe only regulate those who have a certain threshold aggregate bandwidth. On the other hand, that's a moving target with advances in telecommunications. Or how about only those that sell services... then, you'd have to handle the case of cooperatives. Hmmmm... This could require some thought. So much for pat answers!
Are they doing it to support a competing platform in the market, to lessen the monopoly perception?
Absolutely. That's the reason they initially supported IE on Solaris and Linux, too.
Funny you mention the famous 1997 investment, point out that it was a sham and then don't buy the argument that they do things to lesson the monopoly perception.
Another reason to support it on the Mac is so they can make sure that a competing browser doesn't grow up on the Mac to challenge their intended dominance of internet standards through their monopoly position in Browser software.
If they weren't getting regulatory heat now, you could bet that they would abandon W3C standards in favor of their own. Not that they don't already do this in subtle ways now.
IE is no more a loss leader than any other piece of windows is.
Mod this guy up. IE is just a component to Windows. Maybe it's still available, but I couldn't find IE 6 for Windows 3.1, Windows 95 or Linux. Now, it's free when you buy a copy of the latest Windows. It's just a feature of Windows and they update it to lure you off of other platforms.
I've always been struck with how much energy is thrown away in cooling towers at turbine-based electric generating plants.
Just a little background for people who don't understand the function of a cooling tower. A turbine plant turns it's turbines by converting a liquid (typically water) to a gas (steam). Once you have the steam, you have to cool it down if you want to use it again or if you want to efficiently discard it. Some plants are designed to cool it down to the point where very little additional heat will boil it again, but this can be tricky. Some plants have been designed such that the waste steam is cooled in heating buildings through steam radiators, but it can be problematic finding customers for this steam, especially year round.
If we have an efficient way to convert this steam to energy as we cool it, then the efficiency of these plants could go way up.
On a related note, I wish the politicians were seriously working towards about energy efficiency, alternate fuels and new oil exploration now. I only hear half measures and partisan wrangling. It's like the politicians seem to believe that we can't have BOTH more energy efficiency and new energy sources. I'd like to be less dependent on some of the foreign oil now. Some of those areas just aren't looking too stable these days.
I suppose you don't mind it when someone send you mail, and you see a bunch of tags all over the place because it's in HTML. XML is just the same kind of thing... all cluttered with tags. The computer can read XML easier and more quickly than humans. Sure it could read it even faster if it didn't have to parse all those tags. But I wouldn't call this a design intended for humans to read.
The XML isn't human readable, but browsers and other applications can make pretty good guesses at a nice human readable representation.
Further, you can define style sheets to produce different views, with data that would be unimportant to a particular human (or application) elided.
It may be oversold, but the point is that the data definition is well defined such that writers and readers (often human readers, also applications) can interact more easily. It's about portability of data, which readability is a subset.
Why MUST we be forced into one-size-fits-all RDBMS solutions?
Someone had to come up with the buzzword-compliant "Object-Oriented" Database to break the hypnotism the Relational Database vendors and theorists have over the industry.
It seems to me that a lot of data is hierarchical in nature. It's represented that way in programs and sometimes, you just want it to be persistent. A hierarchical database is sometimes just the thing you need, but we're forced into taking our nice hierarchies and deconstructing it into tables to make it fit in the one tool for persistant data storage that's blessed.
thats the whole 'keyword' bit - sold to the highest bidder.
I still don't get it. If you implemented the AOL protocol, it seems like you would want to implement the 'keyword' stuff too. Sure, they sell the keywords to clients, but there is, apparently, quite a bit of convenience to the user in being able to type in a easy-to-remember, no URL syntax, keyword and up comes your reference.
An Open Source client without the keyword interface would lose to one with it.
I have to say you were a very advanced "kid". LeGuin is hard reading for most kids.
I don't know what works the poster was referring to, or what the poster meant by "kid", but LeGuin has a number of books directed at young children. They are very very good. Here's a good reference to them http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/authors/leguin/juv enile.html
As for LeGuin's non-children's works, The Lathe of Heaven wouldn't be a hard read for most kids who enjoy Harry Potter. The Dispossessed or The Left Hand of Darkness might require an older teen to appreciate.
Maybe The Wizard of Earthsea or The Word for World is Forest would be appropriate for kids, I'd have to go reread them to be sure. I read those as a young teen myself.
I was referring to the consumer, the user community as the Industry. I've yet to meet a user who wants the new subscription-based model that MS was pushing for XP (but seems to have backed away from, for now). Users on the corporate desktop aren't looking forward to a new OS while they are still either planning their W2K migration, in the middle of it. Very few IT organizations have completed a W2K deployment.
What is it with these high numbered/. accounts with the canned straight-from-the-mouth of MS spinmeister opinions? With a hotmail address, no less!
While you are wearing your "user" hat for a minute, I just have to ask, are you a Microsoft employee? Or an employee of an organization that has a close relationship with Microsoft?
I don't know about you, but most clueful observers believe that Microsoft has competed unfairly using their monopoly power. If it takes the courts to rectify things, then so be it. Again, I know of few "users" who really feel strongly one way or the other about the DOJ/States case. Mostly you hear support for the MS position from MS themselves, their lackey "free competition" organizations and developers who are beholding to MS for their livelihood.
From MS's recent actions, it almost seems like MS would welcome an injunction against XP. MS can see that the Industry, which has hardly enthusiastically embraced W2K, is not ready for something new, especially something which provides so little to the customer over what W2K provides.
I wonder if MS would like XP's delivery to move way out, and blame the courts for it.
Brooks, Fred, The Mythical Man-Month -- Because it woke the world up to how to build big systems.
Oh? The world is awake when it comes to the issues concerning how to build big systems?
I hadn't noticed.
I do agree with the choice, I'm just disparing at how few project managers and executives I've known really understand something as simple as "adding people to a late project makes it later".
So, pay the higher prices, become a member of group X or shop somewhere else.
Still doesn't seem like a privacy issue to me.
You know, there are hugely popular websites where consumers exchange coupons and information about which stores are running promotions and how to jack with them to squeeze these companies. You wouldn't believe some of the things people get from doing this. The consumers come armed with information when they come to shop, the stores just want to level the playing field a bit by getting some information about their consumers.
It's still not a privacy issue, they just decided they'd like to be able to target market more effectively. If you don't like it, don't shop there.
How long until safeway starts bragging about its 300Gb of data collected by its club cards?
If you don't want Safeway to collect information on your purchases, then don't have or use a club card.
It's that simple. You are trading information about yourself for discounts. Seems like a reasonable exchange rather than some sinister invasion of privacy to me.
I might have a problem if they were piggybacking on your Credit cards or scanning your checks in to compile statistics about you without your knowledge, but anyone who thinks they might not use those club cards to gain information about you is naive.
Terrorism, arson, and vandalism are wrong, no matter how much you believe in your cause.
Heh, and those on the right, Christian religious groups and militias are often accused of being absolutist.
I wonder if you'd feel the same about arson and vandalism if we were taking about acts that the resistance performed in occupied France during the Second World War. (Note how I cleverly avoid Godwin's Law by not actually using the 'H' word or referring to his political party!)
Without getting into a debate on the morality of abortion, is this particular kind of "eco"-terrorism justified? By blowing up an abortion clinic, the militias are saying that it is okay for them to kill, but it is not okay for the clinic itself to "kill." They view abortion as killing, which is wrong, but then they turn around and start killing people at the abortion clinic.
They clearly don't view all killing as wrong. These same people are largely in favor of the death penalty, for example.
Let me get this out of the way up front. I don't think the bombing of abortion clinics is justified. However, I think those who do would say that they are administering justice, killing those guilty of horrible crimes. They would make the distinction between innocent life of the unborn and the culpable life of the abortionist.
Again, I don't agree with them. I'm not even in favor of the death penalty, so I don't see this as justifiable in any way.
Baloney. It's not some conspiracy. You always hear about it anytime one of these groups does something destructive.
If you want a conspiracy theory, why not posit that it was FBI that torched the SUV dealership and blamed eco-terrorists. Yeah! That makes sense! Seeing as Bush is being criticized on environmental issues and all...
Entering services will be difficult for Compaq, just as it has been for Dell, H-P, and all the other OEMs that are jumping on the bandwagon.
Of course, unlike Dell and HP, Compaq isn't just now entering services, they are expanding on what they bought when they got DEC, combined with their own services organization that they've been developing for years.
I hadn't looked at C99 that much (are there any implementations yet?). I know that they tried to put something like that into C90, but it was rejected.
Indeed. The fact that a FORTRAN compiler, unlike C/C++ compiler, can verify that two objects aren't actually the same allows optimizations to be done that make FORTRAN code typically faster than C/C++, especially in number crunching.
Yes, I know... I'm quite embarrassed about this post now. I wish I could recall it.
I both showed that I didn't have a grasp of the metric system AND that I didn't understand that the poster was talking about not being able to see the whole CPU, not just the transistor (which you've not been able to see for years).
I guess I'm being moderated up for my unsupported suppositions later in the post, but that's not really any different than the post I was responding to. He just had different unsupported suppositions...
I wish I had mod points so I could set my own post to "Overrated". Oh, but you can't mod your own posts, can you? That should be changed. Everyone should be allowed to apply Overrated to their own posts...
I second this. Even if you do decide to use one of those IDEs you've mentioned, you'll also want to become proficient in Linux toolsets if you're serious about development in Linux.
Why? Because you'll need to perform setup and configuration that can only really be done effectively from something like Emacs and the shell.
If you were developing to target the Windows platform, I wouldn't recommend that you use Cygwin as your primary toolset, similarly, I wouldn't recommend toolsets that are designed with Windows developers in mind as your primary toolset in Linux.
Go ahead and use the IDE for what it's designed for, screen layout and class browsing and such, but don't come whining to us if there's some hot new tools that come out for Linux later that don't integrate well with your chosen IDE.
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When was hardware and software to poor schools ever part of the trial?
The remedy can be punitive in any way the courts see fit. I don't see why it's not reasonable to attack their markets where it hurts them the most as a punishment.
It could be they are naming it after the famous Computer Scientist, or it could be a joke on the Turing Machine. You know, like so they can say "and this, is the Turing Machine".
Kind of like how ILM used to have a computer named Dagobah.... "and this, is the Dagobah System".
Considering that Office 2000 is now more than 2 and 1/2 years old, back when a K6-233 wasn't that slow of a machine, your wife's experiences really don't count for much.
Besides, Microsoft FUD is what Microsoft does to convince you that you really don't want to use (Lotus, Wordperfect, OS/2, Linux, pick one). If the poster was spreading FUD it was anti-Microsoft FUD.
Maybe you should be more careful before posting.
True, but any network company doing business in the US is required to follow US law. Requiring all network providers to do egress filtering and to aggressively shutdown offending blocks of addresses would be a good step.
Perhaps the government could maintain a centralized control center that would coordinate reports of attacks, contact offending network providers and monitor corrective actions.
If this worked, then these practices could be spread to other countries via treaties or other international agreements.
I guess one problem is that this would make anyone performing cross-border connections (satellite, phone lines, etc.) a "network provider" and subject to potentially stifling regulation. Maybe only regulate those who have a certain threshold aggregate bandwidth. On the other hand, that's a moving target with advances in telecommunications. Or how about only those that sell services... then, you'd have to handle the case of cooperatives. Hmmmm... This could require some thought. So much for pat answers!
Absolutely. That's the reason they initially supported IE on Solaris and Linux, too.
Funny you mention the famous 1997 investment, point out that it was a sham and then don't buy the argument that they do things to lesson the monopoly perception.
Another reason to support it on the Mac is so they can make sure that a competing browser doesn't grow up on the Mac to challenge their intended dominance of internet standards through their monopoly position in Browser software.
If they weren't getting regulatory heat now, you could bet that they would abandon W3C standards in favor of their own. Not that they don't already do this in subtle ways now.
Mod this guy up. IE is just a component to Windows. Maybe it's still available, but I couldn't find IE 6 for Windows 3.1, Windows 95 or Linux. Now, it's free when you buy a copy of the latest Windows. It's just a feature of Windows and they update it to lure you off of other platforms.
I've always been struck with how much energy is thrown away in cooling towers at turbine-based electric generating plants.
Just a little background for people who don't understand the function of a cooling tower. A turbine plant turns it's turbines by converting a liquid (typically water) to a gas (steam). Once you have the steam, you have to cool it down if you want to use it again or if you want to efficiently discard it. Some plants are designed to cool it down to the point where very little additional heat will boil it again, but this can be tricky. Some plants have been designed such that the waste steam is cooled in heating buildings through steam radiators, but it can be problematic finding customers for this steam, especially year round.
If we have an efficient way to convert this steam to energy as we cool it, then the efficiency of these plants could go way up.
On a related note, I wish the politicians were seriously working towards about energy efficiency, alternate fuels and new oil exploration now. I only hear half measures and partisan wrangling. It's like the politicians seem to believe that we can't have BOTH more energy efficiency and new energy sources. I'd like to be less dependent on some of the foreign oil now. Some of those areas just aren't looking too stable these days.
I suppose you don't mind it when someone send you mail, and you see a bunch of tags all over the place because it's in HTML. XML is just the same kind of thing ... all cluttered with tags. The computer can read XML easier and more quickly than humans. Sure it could read it even faster if it didn't have to parse all those tags. But I wouldn't call this a design intended for humans to read.
The XML isn't human readable, but browsers and other applications can make pretty good guesses at a nice human readable representation.
Further, you can define style sheets to produce different views, with data that would be unimportant to a particular human (or application) elided.
It may be oversold, but the point is that the data definition is well defined such that writers and readers (often human readers, also applications) can interact more easily. It's about portability of data, which readability is a subset.
Why MUST we be forced into one-size-fits-all RDBMS solutions?
Someone had to come up with the buzzword-compliant "Object-Oriented" Database to break the hypnotism the Relational Database vendors and theorists have over the industry.
It seems to me that a lot of data is hierarchical in nature. It's represented that way in programs and sometimes, you just want it to be persistent. A hierarchical database is sometimes just the thing you need, but we're forced into taking our nice hierarchies and deconstructing it into tables to make it fit in the one tool for persistant data storage that's blessed.
For a lot of code that doesn't declare everything, you'll need to understand the variable name/typing default rules.
You should understand what a COMMON, and EQUIVALENCE. Uhhmm, remember that everything is call by reference is important.
That about does it, though, certainly up through FORTRAN77. FORTRAN90 is a much more complicated language.
I still don't get it. If you implemented the AOL protocol, it seems like you would want to implement the 'keyword' stuff too. Sure, they sell the keywords to clients, but there is, apparently, quite a bit of convenience to the user in being able to type in a easy-to-remember, no URL syntax, keyword and up comes your reference.
An Open Source client without the keyword interface would lose to one with it.
I don't know what works the poster was referring to, or what the poster meant by "kid", but LeGuin has a number of books directed at young children. They are very very good. Here's a good reference to them http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/authors/leguin/juv enile.html
As for LeGuin's non-children's works, The Lathe of Heaven wouldn't be a hard read for most kids who enjoy Harry Potter. The Dispossessed or The Left Hand of Darkness might require an older teen to appreciate.
Maybe The Wizard of Earthsea or The Word for World is Forest would be appropriate for kids, I'd have to go reread them to be sure. I read those as a young teen myself.
What is it with these high numbered /. accounts with the canned straight-from-the-mouth of MS spinmeister opinions? With a hotmail address, no less!
While you are wearing your "user" hat for a minute, I just have to ask, are you a Microsoft employee? Or an employee of an organization that has a close relationship with Microsoft?
I don't know about you, but most clueful observers believe that Microsoft has competed unfairly using their monopoly power. If it takes the courts to rectify things, then so be it. Again, I know of few "users" who really feel strongly one way or the other about the DOJ/States case. Mostly you hear support for the MS position from MS themselves, their lackey "free competition" organizations and developers who are beholding to MS for their livelihood.
I wonder if MS would like XP's delivery to move way out, and blame the courts for it.
Oh? The world is awake when it comes to the issues concerning how to build big systems?
I hadn't noticed.
I do agree with the choice, I'm just disparing at how few project managers and executives I've known really understand something as simple as "adding people to a late project makes it later".
Still doesn't seem like a privacy issue to me.
You know, there are hugely popular websites where consumers exchange coupons and information about which stores are running promotions and how to jack with them to squeeze these companies. You wouldn't believe some of the things people get from doing this. The consumers come armed with information when they come to shop, the stores just want to level the playing field a bit by getting some information about their consumers.
It's still not a privacy issue, they just decided they'd like to be able to target market more effectively. If you don't like it, don't shop there.
If you don't want Safeway to collect information on your purchases, then don't have or use a club card.
It's that simple. You are trading information about yourself for discounts. Seems like a reasonable exchange rather than some sinister invasion of privacy to me.
I might have a problem if they were piggybacking on your Credit cards or scanning your checks in to compile statistics about you without your knowledge, but anyone who thinks they might not use those club cards to gain information about you is naive.
Heh, and those on the right, Christian religious groups and militias are often accused of being absolutist.
I wonder if you'd feel the same about arson and vandalism if we were taking about acts that the resistance performed in occupied France during the Second World War. (Note how I cleverly avoid Godwin's Law by not actually using the 'H' word or referring to his political party!)
They clearly don't view all killing as wrong. These same people are largely in favor of the death penalty, for example.
Let me get this out of the way up front. I don't think the bombing of abortion clinics is justified. However, I think those who do would say that they are administering justice, killing those guilty of horrible crimes. They would make the distinction between innocent life of the unborn and the culpable life of the abortionist.
Again, I don't agree with them. I'm not even in favor of the death penalty, so I don't see this as justifiable in any way.
If you want a conspiracy theory, why not posit that it was FBI that torched the SUV dealership and blamed eco-terrorists. Yeah! That makes sense! Seeing as Bush is being criticized on environmental issues and all...
Of course, unlike Dell and HP, Compaq isn't just now entering services, they are expanding on what they bought when they got DEC, combined with their own services organization that they've been developing for years.
See here for more information.
Disclaimer: I happen to work for Compaq Services.
I hadn't looked at C99 that much (are there any implementations yet?). I know that they tried to put something like that into C90, but it was rejected.
Indeed. The fact that a FORTRAN compiler, unlike C/C++ compiler, can verify that two objects aren't actually the same allows optimizations to be done that make FORTRAN code typically faster than C/C++, especially in number crunching.
I both showed that I didn't have a grasp of the metric system AND that I didn't understand that the poster was talking about not being able to see the whole CPU, not just the transistor (which you've not been able to see for years).
I guess I'm being moderated up for my unsupported suppositions later in the post, but that's not really any different than the post I was responding to. He just had different unsupported suppositions...
I wish I had mod points so I could set my own post to "Overrated". Oh, but you can't mod your own posts, can you? That should be changed. Everyone should be allowed to apply Overrated to their own posts...
Why? Because you'll need to perform setup and configuration that can only really be done effectively from something like Emacs and the shell.
If you were developing to target the Windows platform, I wouldn't recommend that you use Cygwin as your primary toolset, similarly, I wouldn't recommend toolsets that are designed with Windows developers in mind as your primary toolset in Linux.
Go ahead and use the IDE for what it's designed for, screen layout and class browsing and such, but don't come whining to us if there's some hot new tools that come out for Linux later that don't integrate well with your chosen IDE.