If you believe that nonsense you really are ignorant. Ralph has been inside the system he knows how it works, to say he's left of Mao is a bunch of nonsensical crap the man most certainly believes in free-markets what he doesn't believe in is the abuse of power and the concentration of wealth and privilege.
Like I said you are absolute proof of how well the corporate media has gotten you. They've framed the whole thing your entire life as anyone who criticizes the system as "left", a "communist", a dirty "socialist". These are all corporate talking points. Corporations know that your mind doesn't work like a rational machine. I can tell you the facts and the figures and you still wouldn't believe me. It is science.
In the past 40 years we're learning things about the brain that go against what we've assumed about human reasoning and how it works:
The problem is there is abundant evidence out in the Open, America has fox news, the Canada now has sun. conservative majority was just elected in Canada. This is evidence of big corporate money and their influence. I'm not a real big fan of ideology I'm one for analysis but there comes a point where even corporate capitalism has gone too far and out of control and universities need freedom of inquiry to criticize it and do proper science.
If the shoe was on the other foot I'd still say the same thing. The abuse of power to stifle the search for the truth is something we should all be concerned about. In our era all the power and money is with the corporate capitalists so they are going to be ones criticized because they have all the power to influence things through corporate ownership of the media and framing of messages.
You have to understand that corporations use science to manipulate us and they're getting really good at it. One can look at the knee jerk responses and how deeply offended people get when you criticize the ideals they've been taught all their life through the corporate system and the media.
When corporations can go to the fed and get trillions in bailout money you've shown yourself politically and historically ignorant, whens the last time a union has been able to make a trillion dollar request from the fed? Oh that's right NEVER. You americans really are politically and historically ignorant.
Watch as Grayson grills the inspector general of the federal reserve:
The truth is unregulated markets failed big time and with the government under the thumb of the bankers and the incompetence and political and historical illiteracy of the american public there isn't much hope of ousting corruption in high places and you're just more evidence of the success of the corporate propaganda machine.
Well perhaps if you knew anything about US history you'd know that there are real good reasons there buddy to suspect that there are forces in this world that really are out to fuck you over for their own greed and political ambitions.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."--Smedley Butler
"Are you freaking kidding me?? Academia as a right wing institution. Dude! I really want some of what you're smoking, only not as much as it seems if you smoke too much, you turn stupid!"
This is proof you are a child of american media, you're spouting corporate talking points that have been drilled into your head since you were born. The university is the last bastion of a very weak left and right wingers know it they want to silence the left and put it down for the count while it is weak by controlling funding. Social spending has been declining while corporate welfare has been increasing over time (if you don't believe this just look at tax policy). If you look at ACTUAL POLICY you can only see "right wing" all the way through over the last 30 years, to say there is a strong left especially in america is to live in propaganda never never land.
All policies over the last 30 years in Canada for instance are totally right wing policies. To say academia is a "hotbed of hardcore leftism" is nonsensical corporate bullshit. The left lost a lot of confidence after the fall of russia and many young kids don't believe in 'left/right' pseudo garbage most older americans and canadians have been raised on because they know it's fake BS and there is only the right corporate parties governing and the elections are just there for theater to give the public the illusion that they are making meaningful choices.
All governments in US and Canada are right wing conservative (liberals in canada are conservative, a corporate party that is has been propagandized as a fake left), in the US there IS NO LEFT AT ALL in politics. Democrats and repubs are just subsidiaries of wallstreet and you have election theater. The fact that americans can think anything the democrats can do to help the poor or the needy is socialism is proof of how far gone americans really are down the shit-hole of propaganda.
The fact that you believe you even have a left in america is just proof of how successful corporate propaganda campaigns have been to get you to believe that nonsense.
"They often do a much better job of educating students for less money spent per student."
Only if you think corporations and their think tanks would have NO grounds to fudge their 'studies' to have them say what they want to clueless people who lack critical thinking to believe. They wouldn't do things like oh I don't know, fudge science for political gain or screw up the economy and then socialize losses on the backs of the taxpayer right?
Right now corporations are trying to privatize education to limit political views so they can turn the world into a right wing aristocracy. Universities in Canada and around the world have become more and more dependent on corporate donors and this means freedom of inquiry will be stifled big time. Do you really think rich conservative right wingers want any criticism of capitalism or protection for the poor? There was a big thing at U of T about naming something after Tommy douglas (tommy was father of 'socialist healthcare' in canada which pisses off the corps and right wingers and they still hate him for it) and the administration said 'no' because they were worried about offending the ideals of their donors and the donors denying them future funds. This means universities will become hotbeds of corporatist and unchecked capitalist propaganda and damn the scientific evidence. No thanks.
Nope. Here's the full one, I just use bit.ly because it has a quickcopy/paste of links feature that you can re-use (most common links have a menu when you load the page just hit "copy").
"Even you have to admit the fact that marketing is far more important than cold hard facts and results"
And there is a reason for this, human reasoning/our minds don't work according to how the enlightenment thought they did... most of us are raised with 'enlightenment thinking' which is incorrect... see below:
The problem with nerds is that what they think matters, actually matters to other people. Nerds often get caught up in being perfectionists when "good enough" is usually good enough for the masses. Now I agree amazon's site is rather bloated but they have a search box and SELL everything, not only that but you can usually just use google + amazon in google search and find what you're looking for on a plethora of sites anyway.
I think everyone under-estimates the power of search engines to make up the difference in negative aspects of website user interfaces.
Firefoxes fucking problem is user interface and that it keeps breaking plug-ins. What they really need is to make peoples web experience BETTER. I use chrome ONLY because it is fast and the interface doesn't get in the way PLUS it has the ability to search your bookmarks like you search your email in gmail. That alone is a huge boon so you no longer have to use services like Delicious and tag everything, even though I think delicious is still a great alternative for finding great stuff they don't have a client side program everything is centralized on the server and you have to login, great for them to monitor users habits/trends in peoples tastes not so good for end users.
A breakthrough they could work on is auto-organizing bookmarks according to topic, and index peoples bookmarks by tags. tagging is a great idea but it needs to be automated because sometimes a search just doesn't cut it. If firefox team had someone on their team with vision they could take web browsing to the next level. There are tonnes of firefox plugins I've found that I've often wishes were just incorporated into the browser as a feature.
Photo's are meant to be attention grabbing lets not forget. Just posting pictures that don't grab an audiences attention won't work. So of course thought goes into the shot for media coverage to drive page views. The same way news anchors tend to be dolled up with makeup or pretty to get higher ratings.
"Apart from that, why do you need to tinker with it?"
I don't think you get it at all. The point being is that on the PC as software/hardware advances this means the software at some point will break/stop working. There is no recourse for those who've paid for it to update it. I have a tonne of games I'd love to mess with that have stopped working properly but I can't because of our IP aristocracy.
Consider Freespace 2, Descent, and Doom. All of these games will live on/be updated as new OS's are released thanks to having the code. While tonnes of commercial games end up in static obscurity having to run under emulators instead of just being able to tweak/update the code. Not to mention you can actually fix things that were badly implemented and broken in commercial releases.
My point being is that locked down code prevents innovation and learning from already existing works. Instead of having to learn from the ground up, you learn by examining others works and playing with already working games.
"Sounds like you forgot about the bnetd fiasco -- that was a good 10 years ago."
Oh I knew about it, but they've become EXTRA douchebags since - online, no lan, etc. They've taken it to the ultimate level. A far cry from the days of spawn options and being able to play with your friends on LAN without the great all seeing b.net eye.
Sorry I'm replying twice, I didn't frame the 'source-code' statement correctly, what I mean is - after the sales window of a game, when a game gets old enough the code should be required to be released so the game be preserved/modified modified/updated. This is especially true with old games (i.e. mechwarrior, dos, win95) that break. There is no reason for old software to break but under current IP laws, the owners of software have no means to keep it working.
That is where it comes from my apologies for not being clear. I respect developers but I do not respect abuse of IP and the public having no say or rights over shit they invest in. I'm not a fan of how IP is structured as it is today, esp since there is no public domain anymore because of brainwashing by the money power.
"You pay money for a sporting event, yet you don't get to choose how the teams play."
Sporting events dont break down. Sporting events can't be modified with new content, sporting events don't have bugs one could fix, sporting events can't be extended and updated to work on modern machines.
I hope you see the idiocy of you statement. There is no fundamental reason for software to go out of date at all. I'd really like to see some intelligent law passed that allows for rights to get game-code after the sales window of a game. Although I didn't frame it correctly in my original post, I do respect developers and game creators, but once a game has become old (over it's sales window) the code should be opened up. So many games break/can't be updated and have to be emulated, they aren't easily modified/updated/extended/etc because the code has been lost.
Forgive me for not exactly framing it correctly in my OP but I believe copyright law and IP generally speaking is horribly broken because of the theft of the public domain, there is no reason for old games like say Mechwarrior 2 to not have their source-code released long after its sales window has expired, but the way the public gets shafted means no one can preserve/update/extend for future generations, this also means cultural innovations are squelched by corporate aristocracy..
And that is the whole point that you buy their legalistic BULLSHIT. That was the whole point about "IP" and "software as a scam" (service). The whole culture has been infected with this territorial feudalistic mentality and it's BULLSHIT PERIOD where ideas are "owned" and if you try to remake those ideas on your own you get fucked legally/financially. Imagine if you weren't able to work on your car without getting permission because "that's not how the car was sold!" SAME FUCKING DEAL BUDDY. The only difference is you are indifferent because it's not something you care about, if it was something like your car where you could only get it fixed at some inflated price at mechanics chosen by the seller you'd be pissed.
Just because you don't care about it, doesn't mean others don't. Just because you find it 'frivolous' doesn't and meaningless TO YOU mean shit because because the public is STILL PAYING and getting no ownership stake or rights in return for that money. Using language and legalistic bullshit invented by con men and that has become cultural habit out of an accident of history means little.
If you are a GAMER and not some retarded kid, then you should WANT open-ness on the PC for games. Level editing tools, new player models, etc, for game longevity.
I'm not trying to get into a fanboy war with you hence I wanted you to stay on topic you're just being a douche though not adding ANYTHING to the discussion.
People use greed in the place of capitalism because everyone so afraid of being called a "dirty leftist/socailist" because of long term media propaganda in schools and on TV. I swear americans are some of the most chicken shit brainwashed people on the god damn planet. If americans were smart they'd universally claim they want socialism, both left and right and scare the living daylights out of the top 1%. That would definitely get the upper classes attention.
What does your comment have to do with innovation and tinkerers? The answer is : nothing. Keep the thread on topic. Entire genre's were spawned by the mod community on the PC, can't do that on consoles. You had to wait for corporations to give you ports of arcade games (which let's face it, all the great fighting games were arcade games first). I know I owned an NES/SNES/PS1/etc.
Games were made for the PC back then as well in the NES/SNES era, i.e. Civ 1, one of the greatest games of all time, released 1991. The point is the open-ness allows for new levels, modabiliy instead of having to buy more rip-off DLC map packs from the dealer.
Things like quake world, map packs, new models, rocket arena, all impossible with closed locked down games.
"I think the crux of your problem is you don't like the methods companies have chosen to ensure that their games aren't stolen. That's the main reason for many of those things."
But you don't get it corporations have ALREADY STOLEN from the people the public domain, as well as the right to own,modify,preserve, things they pay good money for. Piracy is just the correct response for software developers having taken away peoples RIGHT TO OWN WHAT THEY BUY. Consecrations and business hacks have come up with all sorts of bullshit legal concepts and laws to brainwash people like yourself. You should go look at the history of intellectual property, it didn't just fall out of the sky. It was organized by the money powers to gain monopoly it is really a form or rent seeking in many instances when you get down to it. That just hurts tinkerers and innovators everywhere.
So we have clueless people like you walking around the planet supporting this corporate suffocation of cultural innovation and inventiveness because you are clueless about history and are indifferent to games. You are EXACTLY the kind of person I'm talking about. This is why my post is lost on you.
Now look at what happens when companies release incomplete games or badly coded games the community cannot fix them. There are a plethora of games with problems that enthusiasts/tinkerers could fix but we can't because we live in an IP aristocracy, with a feudal model of ownership for the lords, none for the paying serfs.
Demigod BTW is one of my fav games and I dislike that I can't fix/modify/update it/make it better. Even though I paid money for the game and I have no recourse against companies like this in our little IP aristocracy.
... a good mentor who is wise. IMHO as well as reading classic greek philosophers like Socrates/Plato, etc.
Just because you are a prodigy doesn't mean a lot if you don't gain any kind of maturity. There's a history of prodigy's believing they are a little too special and distant from everyone else when it is really about their own toxic perspective. The kind of a philosophy a child adopts affects his worldview, so he should learn from excellent examples and mentors to help him/her along to not become a jaded cynical bumpkin who can't co-operate with anyone.
We shouldn't worry about educating the gifted, we should just let these kids go as far as they want to go. I don't believe we should push people with talents and mine them for their ability to work. I really hate this 'genius/prodigy' obsession people have like these kids somehow owe their lives to become something society finds socially useful. Work is still work even to talented people - they get bored, they get tired, they get annoyed. Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you're not human.
IMHO many of the greeks had it right, one can look around today and see many intelligent people who can't even approach the simple wisdom of the greek philosophers.
"Socrates believed the best way for people to live was to focus on self-development rather than the pursuit of material wealth.[citation needed] He always invited others to try to concentrate more on friendships and a sense of true community, for Socrates felt this was the best way for people to grow together as a populace.[citation needed] His actions lived up to this: in the end, Socrates accepted his death sentence when most thought he would simply leave Athens, as he felt he could not run away from or go against the will of his community; as mentioned above, his reputation for valor on the battlefield was without reproach.
The idea that humans possessed certain virtues formed a common thread in Socrates' teachings. These virtues represented the most important qualities for a person to have, foremost of which were the philosophical or intellectual virtues. Socrates stressed that "virtue was the most valuable of all possessions; the ideal life was spent in search of the Good. Truth lies beneath the shadows of existence, and it is the job of the philosopher to show the rest how little they really know.""
Socrates wanted people to focus on treating each other like human beings instead of means towards some material or utilitarian end. Many problems in the world come from our obsession with trying to one-up, out-compete and out-screw the other guy. What we often really need is to tell the world to fuck off and just live our lives and enjoy them while we are here focusing on improving our relationships rather then our productivity and capacity to destroy ourselves via work and material competition.
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"Oh, and Ralph Nader is left of Mao"
If you believe that nonsense you really are ignorant. Ralph has been inside the system he knows how it works, to say he's left of Mao is a bunch of nonsensical crap the man most certainly believes in free-markets what he doesn't believe in is the abuse of power and the concentration of wealth and privilege.
Like I said you are absolute proof of how well the corporate media has gotten you. They've framed the whole thing your entire life as anyone who criticizes the system as "left", a "communist", a dirty "socialist". These are all corporate talking points. Corporations know that your mind doesn't work like a rational machine. I can tell you the facts and the figures and you still wouldn't believe me. It is science.
In the past 40 years we're learning things about the brain that go against what we've assumed about human reasoning and how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ
I always prefer science and analysis to ideology but even I can see with the bailouts the abuse of power is excessive.
How do you square what you believe with trillion dollars in bailouts to corporations and CEO's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ
http://www.dailybail.com/
The problem is there is abundant evidence out in the Open, America has fox news, the Canada now has sun. conservative majority was just elected in Canada. This is evidence of big corporate money and their influence. I'm not a real big fan of ideology I'm one for analysis but there comes a point where even corporate capitalism has gone too far and out of control and universities need freedom of inquiry to criticize it and do proper science.
If the shoe was on the other foot I'd still say the same thing. The abuse of power to stifle the search for the truth is something we should all be concerned about. In our era all the power and money is with the corporate capitalists so they are going to be ones criticized because they have all the power to influence things through corporate ownership of the media and framing of messages.
You have to understand that corporations use science to manipulate us and they're getting really good at it. One can look at the knee jerk responses and how deeply offended people get when you criticize the ideals they've been taught all their life through the corporate system and the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ
When corporations can go to the fed and get trillions in bailout money you've shown yourself politically and historically ignorant, whens the last time a union has been able to make a trillion dollar request from the fed? Oh that's right NEVER. You americans really are politically and historically ignorant.
Watch as Grayson grills the inspector general of the federal reserve:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ
More on private sector corruption and incompetence here
http://www.dailybail.com/
The truth is unregulated markets failed big time and with the government under the thumb of the bankers and the incompetence and political and historical illiteracy of the american public there isn't much hope of ousting corruption in high places and you're just more evidence of the success of the corporate propaganda machine.
See this interview with Nader here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdAtGV6hVCk
Well perhaps if you knew anything about US history you'd know that there are real good reasons there buddy to suspect that there are forces in this world that really are out to fuck you over for their own greed and political ambitions.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."--Smedley Butler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMEI8bnbw1o
"Are you freaking kidding me?? Academia as a right wing institution. Dude! I really want some of what you're smoking, only not as much as it seems if you smoke too much, you turn stupid!"
This is proof you are a child of american media, you're spouting corporate talking points that have been drilled into your head since you were born. The university is the last bastion of a very weak left and right wingers know it they want to silence the left and put it down for the count while it is weak by controlling funding. Social spending has been declining while corporate welfare has been increasing over time (if you don't believe this just look at tax policy). If you look at ACTUAL POLICY you can only see "right wing" all the way through over the last 30 years, to say there is a strong left especially in america is to live in propaganda never never land.
All policies over the last 30 years in Canada for instance are totally right wing policies. To say academia is a "hotbed of hardcore leftism" is nonsensical corporate bullshit. The left lost a lot of confidence after the fall of russia and many young kids don't believe in 'left/right' pseudo garbage most older americans and canadians have been raised on because they know it's fake BS and there is only the right corporate parties governing and the elections are just there for theater to give the public the illusion that they are making meaningful choices.
All governments in US and Canada are right wing conservative (liberals in canada are conservative, a corporate party that is has been propagandized as a fake left), in the US there IS NO LEFT AT ALL in politics. Democrats and repubs are just subsidiaries of wallstreet and you have election theater. The fact that americans can think anything the democrats can do to help the poor or the needy is socialism is proof of how far gone americans really are down the shit-hole of propaganda.
The fact that you believe you even have a left in america is just proof of how successful corporate propaganda campaigns have been to get you to believe that nonsense.
See this interview with Nader here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdAtGV6hVCk
"They often do a much better job of educating students for less money spent per student."
Only if you think corporations and their think tanks would have NO grounds to fudge their 'studies' to have them say what they want to clueless people who lack critical thinking to believe. They wouldn't do things like oh I don't know, fudge science for political gain or screw up the economy and then socialize losses on the backs of the taxpayer right?
Grayson grilling the fed about secret (at the time) trillion dollar bailouts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ
More info here about corporate corruption:
http://www.dailybail.com/
"This isn't a coal mine or dangerous factory job. "
You should really get informed.
http://www.ivorytowerblues.com/
Right now corporations are trying to privatize education to limit political views so they can turn the world into a right wing aristocracy. Universities in Canada and around the world have become more and more dependent on corporate donors and this means freedom of inquiry will be stifled big time. Do you really think rich conservative right wingers want any criticism of capitalism or protection for the poor? There was a big thing at U of T about naming something after Tommy douglas (tommy was father of 'socialist healthcare' in canada which pisses off the corps and right wingers and they still hate him for it) and the administration said 'no' because they were worried about offending the ideals of their donors and the donors denying them future funds. This means universities will become hotbeds of corporatist and unchecked capitalist propaganda and damn the scientific evidence. No thanks.
Nope. Here's the full one, I just use bit.ly because it has a quickcopy/paste of links feature that you can re-use (most common links have a menu when you load the page just hit "copy").
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ
"Even you have to admit the fact that marketing is far more important than cold hard facts and results"
And there is a reason for this, human reasoning/our minds don't work according to how the enlightenment thought they did... most of us are raised with 'enlightenment thinking' which is incorrect... see below:
http://bit.ly/dYaWUc
Everyone should watch the following about human reason, and why facts 'don't support themselves' according to our minds.
http://bit.ly/dYaWUc
The problem with nerds is that what they think matters, actually matters to other people. Nerds often get caught up in being perfectionists when "good enough" is usually good enough for the masses. Now I agree amazon's site is rather bloated but they have a search box and SELL everything, not only that but you can usually just use google + amazon in google search and find what you're looking for on a plethora of sites anyway.
I think everyone under-estimates the power of search engines to make up the difference in negative aspects of website user interfaces.
Firefoxes fucking problem is user interface and that it keeps breaking plug-ins. What they really need is to make peoples web experience BETTER. I use chrome ONLY because it is fast and the interface doesn't get in the way PLUS it has the ability to search your bookmarks like you search your email in gmail. That alone is a huge boon so you no longer have to use services like Delicious and tag everything, even though I think delicious is still a great alternative for finding great stuff they don't have a client side program everything is centralized on the server and you have to login, great for them to monitor users habits/trends in peoples tastes not so good for end users.
A breakthrough they could work on is auto-organizing bookmarks according to topic, and index peoples bookmarks by tags. tagging is a great idea but it needs to be automated because sometimes a search just doesn't cut it. If firefox team had someone on their team with vision they could take web browsing to the next level. There are tonnes of firefox plugins I've found that I've often wishes were just incorporated into the browser as a feature.
"$25 for a mount still blows me away. That's more than a month of subscription time...for a vanity mount."
What's even more mind blowing is that there lots of stupid people who will just keep paying like gambling addicts.
Photo's are meant to be attention grabbing lets not forget. Just posting pictures that don't grab an audiences attention won't work. So of course thought goes into the shot for media coverage to drive page views. The same way news anchors tend to be dolled up with makeup or pretty to get higher ratings.
"Apart from that, why do you need to tinker with it?"
I don't think you get it at all. The point being is that on the PC as software/hardware advances this means the software at some point will break/stop working. There is no recourse for those who've paid for it to update it. I have a tonne of games I'd love to mess with that have stopped working properly but I can't because of our IP aristocracy.
Consider Freespace 2, Descent, and Doom. All of these games will live on/be updated as new OS's are released thanks to having the code. While tonnes of commercial games end up in static obscurity having to run under emulators instead of just being able to tweak/update the code. Not to mention you can actually fix things that were badly implemented and broken in commercial releases.
My point being is that locked down code prevents innovation and learning from already existing works. Instead of having to learn from the ground up, you learn by examining others works and playing with already working games.
Here's another one about their demands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8o3peQq79Q
"Sounds like you forgot about the bnetd fiasco -- that was a good 10 years ago."
Oh I knew about it, but they've become EXTRA douchebags since - online, no lan, etc. They've taken it to the ultimate level. A far cry from the days of spawn options and being able to play with your friends on LAN without the great all seeing b.net eye.
Sorry I'm replying twice, I didn't frame the 'source-code' statement correctly, what I mean is - after the sales window of a game, when a game gets old enough the code should be required to be released so the game be preserved/modified modified/updated. This is especially true with old games (i.e. mechwarrior, dos, win95) that break. There is no reason for old software to break but under current IP laws, the owners of software have no means to keep it working.
That is where it comes from my apologies for not being clear. I respect developers but I do not respect abuse of IP and the public having no say or rights over shit they invest in. I'm not a fan of how IP is structured as it is today, esp since there is no public domain anymore because of brainwashing by the money power.
"You pay money for a sporting event, yet you don't get to choose how the teams play."
Sporting events dont break down. Sporting events can't be modified with new content, sporting events don't have bugs one could fix, sporting events can't be extended and updated to work on modern machines.
I hope you see the idiocy of you statement. There is no fundamental reason for software to go out of date at all. I'd really like to see some intelligent law passed that allows for rights to get game-code after the sales window of a game. Although I didn't frame it correctly in my original post, I do respect developers and game creators, but once a game has become old (over it's sales window) the code should be opened up. So many games break/can't be updated and have to be emulated, they aren't easily modified/updated/extended/etc because the code has been lost.
Forgive me for not exactly framing it correctly in my OP but I believe copyright law and IP generally speaking is horribly broken because of the theft of the public domain, there is no reason for old games like say Mechwarrior 2 to not have their source-code released long after its sales window has expired, but the way the public gets shafted means no one can preserve/update/extend for future generations, this also means cultural innovations are squelched by corporate aristocracy..
"That's NOT the product you're being sold."
And that is the whole point that you buy their legalistic BULLSHIT. That was the whole point about "IP" and "software as a scam" (service). The whole culture has been infected with this territorial feudalistic mentality and it's BULLSHIT PERIOD where ideas are "owned" and if you try to remake those ideas on your own you get fucked legally/financially. Imagine if you weren't able to work on your car without getting permission because "that's not how the car was sold!" SAME FUCKING DEAL BUDDY. The only difference is you are indifferent because it's not something you care about, if it was something like your car where you could only get it fixed at some inflated price at mechanics chosen by the seller you'd be pissed.
Just because you don't care about it, doesn't mean others don't. Just because you find it 'frivolous' doesn't and meaningless TO YOU mean shit because because the public is STILL PAYING and getting no ownership stake or rights in return for that money. Using language and legalistic bullshit invented by con men and that has become cultural habit out of an accident of history means little.
If you are a GAMER and not some retarded kid, then you should WANT open-ness on the PC for games. Level editing tools, new player models, etc, for game longevity.
I'm not trying to get into a fanboy war with you hence I wanted you to stay on topic you're just being a douche though not adding ANYTHING to the discussion.
"not just "greed," whatever that is."
People use greed in the place of capitalism because everyone so afraid of being called a "dirty leftist/socailist" because of long term media propaganda in schools and on TV. I swear americans are some of the most chicken shit brainwashed people on the god damn planet. If americans were smart they'd universally claim they want socialism, both left and right and scare the living daylights out of the top 1%. That would definitely get the upper classes attention.
What does your comment have to do with innovation and tinkerers? The answer is : nothing. Keep the thread on topic. Entire genre's were spawned by the mod community on the PC, can't do that on consoles. You had to wait for corporations to give you ports of arcade games (which let's face it, all the great fighting games were arcade games first). I know I owned an NES/SNES/PS1/etc.
Games were made for the PC back then as well in the NES/SNES era, i.e. Civ 1, one of the greatest games of all time, released 1991. The point is the open-ness allows for new levels, modabiliy instead of having to buy more rip-off DLC map packs from the dealer.
Things like quake world, map packs, new models, rocket arena, all impossible with closed locked down games.
"I think the crux of your problem is you don't like the methods companies have chosen to ensure that their games aren't stolen. That's the main reason for many of those things."
But you don't get it corporations have ALREADY STOLEN from the people the public domain, as well as the right to own,modify,preserve, things they pay good money for. Piracy is just the correct response for software developers having taken away peoples RIGHT TO OWN WHAT THEY BUY. Consecrations and business hacks have come up with all sorts of bullshit legal concepts and laws to brainwash people like yourself. You should go look at the history of intellectual property, it didn't just fall out of the sky. It was organized by the money powers to gain monopoly it is really a form or rent seeking in many instances when you get down to it. That just hurts tinkerers and innovators everywhere.
http://www.ipocracy.org/
Things like this and this should be possible - whenever you BUY a game you should GET the source-code.
D2X-XL (a descent 2 open source project)
http://www.descent2.de/
Freespace 2 open
http://scp.indiegames.us/
That means that a lot of awesome stuff like this can't happen because kids aren't allowed to learn and tinker because of the walled gardens.
Remade FS2 open trailer (all work done by community).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhAR8rWPluQ
So we have clueless people like you walking around the planet supporting this corporate suffocation of cultural innovation and inventiveness because you are clueless about history and are indifferent to games. You are EXACTLY the kind of person I'm talking about. This is why my post is lost on you.
Now look at what happens when companies release incomplete games or badly coded games the community cannot fix them. There are a plethora of games with problems that enthusiasts/tinkerers could fix but we can't because we live in an IP aristocracy, with a feudal model of ownership for the lords, none for the paying serfs.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/973/973368p1.html
Demigod BTW is one of my fav games and I dislike that I can't fix/modify/update it/make it better. Even though I paid money for the game and I have no recourse against companies like this in our little IP aristocracy.
... a good mentor who is wise. IMHO as well as reading classic greek philosophers like Socrates/Plato, etc.
Just because you are a prodigy doesn't mean a lot if you don't gain any kind of maturity. There's a history of prodigy's believing they are a little too special and distant from everyone else when it is really about their own toxic perspective. The kind of a philosophy a child adopts affects his worldview, so he should learn from excellent examples and mentors to help him/her along to not become a jaded cynical bumpkin who can't co-operate with anyone.
We shouldn't worry about educating the gifted, we should just let these kids go as far as they want to go. I don't believe we should push people with talents and mine them for their ability to work. I really hate this 'genius/prodigy' obsession people have like these kids somehow owe their lives to become something society finds socially useful. Work is still work even to talented people - they get bored, they get tired, they get annoyed. Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you're not human.
IMHO many of the greeks had it right, one can look around today and see many intelligent people who can't even approach the simple wisdom of the greek philosophers.
"Socrates believed the best way for people to live was to focus on self-development rather than the pursuit of material wealth.[citation needed] He always invited others to try to concentrate more on friendships and a sense of true community, for Socrates felt this was the best way for people to grow together as a populace.[citation needed] His actions lived up to this: in the end, Socrates accepted his death sentence when most thought he would simply leave Athens, as he felt he could not run away from or go against the will of his community; as mentioned above, his reputation for valor on the battlefield was without reproach.
The idea that humans possessed certain virtues formed a common thread in Socrates' teachings. These virtues represented the most important qualities for a person to have, foremost of which were the philosophical or intellectual virtues. Socrates stressed that "virtue was the most valuable of all possessions; the ideal life was spent in search of the Good. Truth lies beneath the shadows of existence, and it is the job of the philosopher to show the rest how little they really know.""
Socrates wanted people to focus on treating each other like human beings instead of means towards some material or utilitarian end. Many problems in the world come from our obsession with trying to one-up, out-compete and out-screw the other guy. What we often really need is to tell the world to fuck off and just live our lives and enjoy them while we are here focusing on improving our relationships rather then our productivity and capacity to destroy ourselves via work and material competition.