Simply put, the state doesn't need a crime nor any act of a parent to justify taking a kid. The kid simply needs to be "at risk" in the opinion of a government worker. After the kid is placed in state custody, the onus is on the family to prove they are not unfit, and this is impossible.
This case is an obvious abuse of state power, but, unfortunately, it is hardly the only one. Many thousands of kids are taken for even less of a pretext.
I won't comment directly on this case now. However, having had my own son taken by the state (ostensibly because his mother was taking prescription methadone while pregnant) at the hospital in which he was born, I can say that the system, which is similar in all states because of federally imposed funding arrangements, is based on greed for money. It has nothing to do with the "best interest of the child" etc. And there will never be much improvement until the child (so-called) welfare funding (the Adoption and Safe Families Act) stops promoting state kidnapping, and the family courts become open to public view. They are "confidential", that is, closed to public inspection and criticism.
After years of fighting our case, including an appeal, we lost. There is no winning these cases for the average person. Kids simply do not get returned to their families as the state claims. The exceptions are kids from influential families, kids from other government workers, kids from lawyers, and kids who somehow get publicity. That may be the saving factor in the case described above.
Snowden fled the US because the government here in the US would have put him in a cage (or maybe worse) had he stayed. There is no evidence he is working with Russia. He ended up there because the US revoked his passport while he was at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport. He didn't have any choice but to stay, and afterwards, upon Snowden's request for asylum, Russia took its time deciding to give it to him.
He released all the documents to a British news agency, The Guardian (and American news agencies as well), before he flew from Hong Kong.
The recent acrimony between the US and Russia came about from the US government's opportunistic alliance with the neo-Nazi installed government in the Ukraine, which opposes anything Russian, including the Russian people inside the Ukraine.
Weed out statements by Colbert himself. Currently, the first page results are all from different authors. Is there even one who sees Colbert's comments about Snowden as somehow pro-Snowden? If I'm missing some hidden bunch of people, enlighten me.
My compliments for the catch. With internet access, it seems a spell checker could alert the writer to unusual adverb-verb combinations.
Interestingly, although the two words have different meanings, in some combinations, they are almost interchangeable.“Fluctuates widely” or “fluctuates wildly” In some situations, doing something in a "wide" manner is similar to doing it in a "wild" manner.
they also gave obama a peace prize prior to being elected president, that price is as good as worthless anymore
Sure, Obama wasn't deserving of the Peace Prize. (Incidentally, his *nomination* came only 12 days after he took office, and The Nobel Committee *announced the award* on October 9, 2009, about 9 months after he assumed office on January 20, 2009.) But Obama's standing is irrelevant to that of Snowden.
The Nobel committee responsible for awarding the Peace prize is the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which although private, is a small group picked by the Norwegian Parliament. The people composing those eligible to nominate is a much larger group. Snowden has only been nominated, and the ones who nominated him are probably not on the committee.
Although I'm a Snowden supporter, I would hesitate to say he is deserving either. It's a peace prize, not a whistle-blower or a patriot prize.
... everyone missed his ching chong ding dong joke I do believe that the majority reporting on him dont get it
Colbert, being serious, quickly made an effort to "correct" the misconception that he was racist toward Asians.
“I just want to say that I'm not a racist — I don't even see race. Not even my own,” --Colbert
""I am willing to show #Asian community I care by introducing the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever,” was meant to be a satirical analog to the Washington Redskins Original Americans Foundation, whose creation was announced earlier this week by the team’s owner, Daniel Snyder. " --Colbert
He has made no such effort to correct the wildly held perception that he is against Snowden.
My statement was elliptical. I apologize if I didn't make it so you understood. I mean you may post a *reference* (the "something" I referred to). IOW, ideally, if you have a cite of somewhere where Colbert states he is truly a Snowden supporter, then post it.
You *do* realize my estimate of Colbert position is the prevailing one, don't you? Colbert must, as I suppose he reads about himself. And that being the case, I would suppose he would want to correct the prevailing (as you see it) misconception.
Let me get this straight. You believe one ambiguous clause about Kissinger is the hint that clarifies that Colbert's position on Snowden is sarcastic, that is, the opposite of what Colbert actually is saying. And somehow numerous tech site authors missed this obvious clue. Furthermore, you somehow believe Colbert has decided to perpetuate this misunderstanding for some reason.
The Kissinger comment inclusion is simply sloppy mixing. Colbert is also criticizing the Nobel people - that's all. It's wishful thinking to conclude that that negates his stand on Snowden.
However, I believe Colbert doesn't even understand fully what the Snowden revelations were about. Some of his humor is so lame from a tech perspective, you must give him a rather low rating in terms of understanding.
Everything Colbert says is double dipped in sarcasm. None of it should be taken at face value...
I previously was a Colbert fan, and I fully understand his style of humor and method of message. In this case, I tried hard to find a way to extortionate Colbert, but he provides nothing. It is possible to distill the seriousness from the fake-seriousness in what Colbert says, and Colbert is seriously taking an anti-Snowden position.
Colbert also states (by joking on the square) that his opinion is for sale. "...my conscience is clear, as long as the check clears."
If you have something that indicates otherwise, you may post.
Colbert didn't observe the boycott and spoke at the RSA Conference where he said, among other incomprehensible statements, that Snowden was " practically a war criminal". In terms of government use of computer technology to control its people, the Snowden revelations are the most important in history. Colbert's
ascension to the Letterman position means that the NSA and its accomplices don't need to worry about criticism from that quarter.
Colbert noted. "I see the Norwegians gave Snowden 30 Nobel Prize nominations. The guy's practically a war criminal - I don't understand how they could put him up for the same prize they once gave to Henry Kissinger."
If we assume the study was representative, then your argument isn't strong. But it wasn't representative, so this is just something to provoke discussion.
Nonetheless, daylight-saving time, which is a misnomer anyway, is dumb. If I ever get to be dictator, I'm changing everybody to standard for the whole year.
I realize in the modern world it's impossible to not do business with MS, but I can move in that direction. I will do so now because two recent events show the nature of the company.
As most of you know, Bill Gates (who now claims to be sort-of detached from his company) came out against Snowden. He used a fake argument, so the motive must be money - money from the government taking from the people.
And now, of course, we know MS thinks nothing of perusing private emails. Although this may be allowed in the fine print of the TOS, it's not the part of the advertised-image MS projects, and MS's repeated defense that doing so was within the law won't help it on the ethical front.
I know many of you have serious monetary disputes with MS, and that is where your MS-disdain springs from. I previously ignored those disputes because I was too lazy to learn the details. But I see your point now without going into the details. A monster company with no ethics is a true monster.
... We are absolutely not free any longer, sad... !
You act as though the realization that we (in the US) are not free is a surprise to you. If it is, then you're a victim of the American propaganda machine, which constantly tells us we are the "land of the free", our enemies are "jealous of our freedoms", etc. These beliefs are so entrenched, even people doing time in prison religiously defend them.
And that brings me to the real consequence of unbridled government, locking people up. The US government and its state subordinate sections lock up more of its own people than any country in the world.
Currently *I* am working with insufficient information to convict anybody of deliberately downing the plane, but Malaysia Airlines has much more information, and, given their politician-like rebuff of concerns about the copilot's past behavior (We won't be "distracted", and "We have not been able to confirm the validity of the pictures"), the airline's sincerity is questionable.
The incident of the copilot on this missing flight having had on a previous flight invited two women to stay in the cockpit for the duration of the previous flight is hardly, as you describe it, a "non-story". Even Malaysia Airlines says they are "shocked" by the allegations. The flight crew is supposed to be working on the serious task of flying a large passenger plane. They are not supposed to be using their privileged position as a means to impress girls they want to pick up. If they want to do that, they can do so on their own time in their own planes.
As you can see by the story, distraction is possible. And a distraction in an emergency could be fatal.
And who is the un-named pilot, who also allowed the girls, by the way?
They also smoked tobacco in the cockpit. This is prohibited by the Airline and by Malaysia's laws (assuming the plane is "public transport"). Since you, ledow, included a personal antidote to support your "non story" claim, it's fair for me to also offer one: I don't allow anybody on my own work crews to light up on the job. These are construction workers, incidentally.
If the plane suffered a break up at cruising altitude, plenty of floating debris would have already been found. If it were a gradual failure, there would be plenty of time to make a Mayday call. Someone with malicious intent could force the crew to turn off the transponder and even force the crew to send the plane down, but the cockpit doors are locked during flight. Maybe the one with malicious intent was already in the cockpit. The copilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, seems less than professional.
That qualifies as a cite, perhaps, but hardly one supporting your position. It's an article reporting (and rebutting) admittedly biased John Lott Jr's findings, and after noting the major exception that I previously cited, the article itself identifies another situation (International House of Pancakes restaurant in Carson City, Nevada) where he is shown to be incorrect. Furthermore, the article notes how broad Lott's definition of "gun free zone" is, and it mentions the difficulty in determining if a location fits the gun-free-zone description.
Finally, you selectively quoted your source apparently thinking a casual reader wouldn't click & read. You quoted "On the whole...don’t dispute his findings" but failed to also quote the real meaning of the section "But they do debate Lott’s conclusions..."
' Daniel Webster, director of Center for Gun Policy and Research at Johns Hopkins University. “The shooters in these instances didn’t say, ‘Hey, I’ll find a gun-free zone where I can shoot a lot of people.’ No, they went to a place for reasons wholly unrelated to gun-free zones.”'
I think the argument goes...when you look at the fact that damn near all mass murders happen in gun free zones when we are speaking about the USA
Cite please. Or please list the "near all mass murders" you are referring to. Your statement (about nearly all mass murders happening in gun free zones) is definitely not true. Tucson is not a gun free zone and a legally owned gun did the damage there. The ex cop doing the Wesley Chapel, Florida theater shooting had a legal gun too. Where did you get your "fact"?
Note to the press: "Hackers" doesn't mean what you think is means.
You might want to elaborate on that. Although you may hack a URL, "hacker" indeed has the connotation of a villainous outlaw circumventing legitimate barriers.
Regarding Diane McWhorter's article, although I must commend the flowery analogies therein, I don't see anything practical to be gained by reading it. And the title of the article doesn't really summarize its content.
So there's something in the urine that indicates a tumor. Thus, when Fluffy meanders the neighborhood, he can tell if the locals are getting sick. -- This sure was an unfortunate evolutionary decision for us humans to forsake the accurate smelling apparatus.
Obama knows Snowden made an effort to use official channels. But even if Snowden didn't, that's only a small debate about Snowden's methods. The central issue is the behavior of the NSA and that of the government around it. *How* the public learned about the NSA crimes is irrelevant to the big picture.
Armed criminals who know that lawful victims must be unarmed. Allow lawful citizens to start packing.
Armed criminals who know that lawful victims must be unarmed. Allow lawful citizens to start packing.
How does the "armed criminal" know that the victim is "lawful"?
You appear to be saying that the possibility of someone carrying an weapon, which is unseen, will deter someone else from pointing a gun at that someone. Is that correct?
Also, the concept of "criminal" and "lawful citizen" (to use your terms) is in the mind of the beholder. Most people who point a gun feel they have a perfect right to do so. Other people after the fact make judgements about who is "criminal". Now, a guy robbing a Quick Trip usually knows he is breaking the law, but the guy, with his/her view of the circumstances, feels justified in doing so.
Right and Wrong easily get confused. If the store ripped-off the guy once, can he point a gun to even the score? And is robbing a dope dealer against the law? Is throwing popcorn at you an act meriting lethal retaliation? Your armchair-later opinion of who is right isn't necessarily what was in the mind of the person pulling the trigger.
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This case is an obvious abuse of state power, but, unfortunately, it is hardly the only one. Many thousands of kids are taken for even less of a pretext.
I won't comment directly on this case now. However, having had my own son taken by the state (ostensibly because his mother was taking prescription methadone while pregnant) at the hospital in which he was born, I can say that the system, which is similar in all states because of federally imposed funding arrangements, is based on greed for money. It has nothing to do with the "best interest of the child" etc. And there will never be much improvement until the child (so-called) welfare funding (the Adoption and Safe Families Act) stops promoting state kidnapping, and the family courts become open to public view. They are "confidential", that is, closed to public inspection and criticism.
After years of fighting our case, including an appeal, we lost. There is no winning these cases for the average person. Kids simply do not get returned to their families as the state claims. The exceptions are kids from influential families, kids from other government workers, kids from lawyers, and kids who somehow get publicity. That may be the saving factor in the case described above.
...Snowden...rekindled the Cold War.
What did Snowden do to "rekindle" the cold war?
Snowden fled the US because the government here in the US would have put him in a cage (or maybe worse) had he stayed. There is no evidence he is working with Russia. He ended up there because the US revoked his passport while he was at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport. He didn't have any choice but to stay, and afterwards, upon Snowden's request for asylum, Russia took its time deciding to give it to him.
He released all the documents to a British news agency, The Guardian (and American news agencies as well), before he flew from Hong Kong.
The recent acrimony between the US and Russia came about from the US government's opportunistic alliance with the neo-Nazi installed government in the Ukraine, which opposes anything Russian, including the Russian people inside the Ukraine.
Perhaps since it's not widely held...
Search: Colbert Snowden
Weed out statements by Colbert himself. Currently, the first page results are all from different authors. Is there even one who sees Colbert's comments about Snowden as somehow pro-Snowden? If I'm missing some hidden bunch of people, enlighten me.
'wildly' held would be about right.
My compliments for the catch. With internet access, it seems a spell checker could alert the writer to unusual adverb-verb combinations.
Interestingly, although the two words have different meanings, in some combinations, they are almost interchangeable.“Fluctuates widely” or “fluctuates wildly” In some situations, doing something in a "wide" manner is similar to doing it in a "wild" manner.
they also gave obama a peace prize prior to being elected president, that price is as good as worthless anymore
Sure, Obama wasn't deserving of the Peace Prize. (Incidentally, his *nomination* came only 12 days after he took office, and The Nobel Committee *announced the award* on October 9, 2009, about 9 months after he assumed office on January 20, 2009.) But Obama's standing is irrelevant to that of Snowden.
The Nobel committee responsible for awarding the Peace prize is the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which although private, is a small group picked by the Norwegian Parliament. The people composing those eligible to nominate is a much larger group. Snowden has only been nominated, and the ones who nominated him are probably not on the committee.
Although I'm a Snowden supporter, I would hesitate to say he is deserving either. It's a peace prize, not a whistle-blower or a patriot prize.
... everyone missed his ching chong ding dong joke I do believe that the majority reporting on him dont get it
Colbert, being serious, quickly made an effort to "correct" the misconception that he was racist toward Asians.
“I just want to say that I'm not a racist — I don't even see race. Not even my own,” --Colbert
""I am willing to show #Asian community I care by introducing the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever,” was meant to be a satirical analog to the Washington Redskins Original Americans Foundation, whose creation was announced earlier this week by the team’s owner, Daniel Snyder. " --Colbert
He has made no such effort to correct the wildly held perception that he is against Snowden.
Oh we may post?
My statement was elliptical. I apologize if I didn't make it so you understood. I mean you may post a *reference* (the "something" I referred to). IOW, ideally, if you have a cite of somewhere where Colbert states he is truly a Snowden supporter, then post it.
You *do* realize my estimate of Colbert position is the prevailing one, don't you? Colbert must, as I suppose he reads about himself. And that being the case, I would suppose he would want to correct the prevailing (as you see it) misconception.
The "war criminal" line is at 13:54 in this vid.
However, I believe Colbert doesn't even understand fully what the Snowden revelations were about. Some of his humor is so lame from a tech perspective, you must give him a rather low rating in terms of understanding.
Everything Colbert says is double dipped in sarcasm. None of it should be taken at face value...
I previously was a Colbert fan, and I fully understand his style of humor and method of message. In this case, I tried hard to find a way to extortionate Colbert, but he provides nothing. It is possible to distill the seriousness from the fake-seriousness in what Colbert says, and Colbert is seriously taking an anti-Snowden position.
Colbert also states (by joking on the square) that his opinion is for sale. "...my conscience is clear, as long as the check clears."
If you have something that indicates otherwise, you may post.
WHY IS THIS ON SLASHDOT!?
Colbert didn't observe the boycott and spoke at the RSA Conference where he said, among other incomprehensible statements, that Snowden was " practically a war criminal". In terms of government use of computer technology to control its people, the Snowden revelations are the most important in history. Colbert's ascension to the Letterman position means that the NSA and its accomplices don't need to worry about criticism from that quarter.
Colbert noted.
"I see the Norwegians gave Snowden 30 Nobel Prize nominations. The guy's practically a war criminal - I don't understand how they could put him up for the same prize they once gave to Henry Kissinger."
Stephen Colbert's not a fan of Edward Snowden's whistleblowingStephen Colbert's not a fan of Edward Snowden's whistleblowing
Colbert said. Snowden, he said, should be taken to court over the espionage charges.
If we assume the study was representative, then your argument isn't strong. But it wasn't representative, so this is just something to provoke discussion. Nonetheless, daylight-saving time, which is a misnomer anyway, is dumb. If I ever get to be dictator, I'm changing everybody to standard for the whole year.
...everything you like about being up abnormally late is true of being up abnormally early.
To each his/her own. IOW, I don't agree when it comes to myself.
I realize in the modern world it's impossible to not do business with MS, but I can move in that direction. I will do so now because two recent events show the nature of the company.
As most of you know, Bill Gates (who now claims to be sort-of detached from his company) came out against Snowden. He used a fake argument, so the motive must be money - money from the government taking from the people.
And now, of course, we know MS thinks nothing of perusing private emails. Although this may be allowed in the fine print of the TOS, it's not the part of the advertised-image MS projects, and MS's repeated defense that doing so was within the law won't help it on the ethical front.
I know many of you have serious monetary disputes with MS, and that is where your MS-disdain springs from. I previously ignored those disputes because I was too lazy to learn the details. But I see your point now without going into the details. A monster company with no ethics is a true monster.
... We are absolutely not free any longer, sad... !
You act as though the realization that we (in the US) are not free is a surprise to you. If it is, then you're a victim of the American propaganda machine, which constantly tells us we are the "land of the free", our enemies are "jealous of our freedoms", etc. These beliefs are so entrenched, even people doing time in prison religiously defend them.
And that brings me to the real consequence of unbridled government, locking people up. The US government and its state subordinate sections lock up more of its own people than any country in the world.
Currently *I* am working with insufficient information to convict anybody of deliberately downing the plane, but Malaysia Airlines has much more information, and, given their politician-like rebuff of concerns about the copilot's past behavior (We won't be "distracted", and "We have not been able to confirm the validity of the pictures"), the airline's sincerity is questionable.
The incident of the copilot on this missing flight having had on a previous flight invited two women to stay in the cockpit for the duration of the previous flight is hardly, as you describe it, a "non-story". Even Malaysia Airlines says they are "shocked" by the allegations. The flight crew is supposed to be working on the serious task of flying a large passenger plane. They are not supposed to be using their privileged position as a means to impress girls they want to pick up. If they want to do that, they can do so on their own time in their own planes.
As you can see by the story, distraction is possible. And a distraction in an emergency could be fatal. And who is the un-named pilot, who also allowed the girls, by the way?
They also smoked tobacco in the cockpit. This is prohibited by the Airline and by Malaysia's laws (assuming the plane is "public transport"). Since you, ledow, included a personal antidote to support your "non story" claim, it's fair for me to also offer one: I don't allow anybody on my own work crews to light up on the job. These are construction workers, incidentally.
If the plane suffered a break up at cruising altitude, plenty of floating debris would have already been found. If it were a gradual failure, there would be plenty of time to make a Mayday call. Someone with malicious intent could force the crew to turn off the transponder and even force the crew to send the plane down, but the cockpit doors are locked during flight. Maybe the one with malicious intent was already in the cockpit. The copilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, seems less than professional.
That qualifies as a cite, perhaps, but hardly one supporting your position. It's an article reporting (and rebutting) admittedly biased John Lott Jr's findings, and after noting the major exception that I previously cited, the article itself identifies another situation (International House of Pancakes restaurant in Carson City, Nevada) where he is shown to be incorrect. Furthermore, the article notes how broad Lott's definition of "gun free zone" is, and it mentions the difficulty in determining if a location fits the gun-free-zone description.
Finally, you selectively quoted your source apparently thinking a casual reader wouldn't click & read. You quoted "On the whole...don’t dispute his findings" but failed to also quote the real meaning of the section "But they do debate Lott’s conclusions..."
' Daniel Webster, director of Center for Gun Policy and Research at Johns Hopkins University. “The shooters in these instances didn’t say, ‘Hey, I’ll find a gun-free zone where I can shoot a lot of people.’ No, they went to a place for reasons wholly unrelated to gun-free zones.”'
I think the argument goes...when you look at the fact that damn near all mass murders happen in gun free zones when we are speaking about the USA
Cite please. Or please list the "near all mass murders" you are referring to. Your statement (about nearly all mass murders happening in gun free zones) is definitely not true. Tucson is not a gun free zone and a legally owned gun did the damage there. The ex cop doing the Wesley Chapel, Florida theater shooting had a legal gun too. Where did you get your "fact"?
Note to the press: "Hackers" doesn't mean what you think is means.
You might want to elaborate on that. Although you may hack a URL, "hacker" indeed has the connotation of a villainous outlaw circumventing legitimate barriers.
Regarding Diane McWhorter's article, although I must commend the flowery analogies therein, I don't see anything practical to be gained by reading it. And the title of the article doesn't really summarize its content.
So there's something in the urine that indicates a tumor. Thus, when Fluffy meanders the neighborhood, he can tell if the locals are getting sick. -- This sure was an unfortunate evolutionary decision for us humans to forsake the accurate smelling apparatus.
Don't want the government knowing everything about you? Don't request secret clearance from it.
We wish it were that easy.
Obama knows Snowden made an effort to use official channels. But even if Snowden didn't, that's only a small debate about Snowden's methods. The central issue is the behavior of the NSA and that of the government around it. *How* the public learned about the NSA crimes is irrelevant to the big picture.
Armed criminals who know that lawful victims must be unarmed. Allow lawful citizens to start packing.
Armed criminals who know that lawful victims must be unarmed. Allow lawful citizens to start packing.
How does the "armed criminal" know that the victim is "lawful"?
You appear to be saying that the possibility of someone carrying an weapon, which is unseen, will deter someone else from pointing a gun at that someone. Is that correct?
Also, the concept of "criminal" and "lawful citizen" (to use your terms) is in the mind of the beholder. Most people who point a gun feel they have a perfect right to do so. Other people after the fact make judgements about who is "criminal". Now, a guy robbing a Quick Trip usually knows he is breaking the law, but the guy, with his/her view of the circumstances, feels justified in doing so.
Right and Wrong easily get confused. If the store ripped-off the guy once, can he point a gun to even the score? And is robbing a dope dealer against the law? Is throwing popcorn at you an act meriting lethal retaliation? Your armchair-later opinion of who is right isn't necessarily what was in the mind of the person pulling the trigger.