Well, after we threw that Mars Polar Lander over to the Martians, I bet those Europians are mighty upset - they want some samples of our technology too. We might start an interplanetary war otherwise - I mean.. Jupiterians are a minority group that hasn't been well represented compared the rich and influencial Europians...
And this is new for Microsoft? Now, what is really humorous about this is that now that the kerberos people are aware of this they'll add "MS extensions" back into the codebase to allow interoperability.. just like pppd added support for MS CHAP and the extra garbage that's sent over the protocol.
Heh. Don't get too worried: we've got 'em under control. Be happy they're using the core of kerberos so it won't be hard to detect and fix the changes they made.
How do you draw comparison between that event and the mythical 'fight for our online rights'?
Ignorance about how computers work has led to laws which are dissimilar to their physical-world equivalents. If I publish a book called "how to break into homes", that's freedom of the press. If I distribute a webzine dedicated to breaking into computers, however, that's a crime. Where do you draw the line? The SJG debatacle drew that line.
How can you place software piracy raids and this event in the same philisophical boat? I don't get it.
Both are unfair abuses of legislative intent and of power. Both had large organizations without direct responsibility violating private citizen's rights.
We're never going to change the collective minds of those that are at the helm of big business.
False. They'll do what they need to stay in business, that IS their collective mind: it's got a huge dollar sign written all over the grey area. If we make products of higher quality and lower cost than they can, by virtue of supply and demand, we will eventually prevail. They've lost. The software is now ours.
Attraction rather than promotion.
I think it's repulsion you're thinking of. It makes me sick that our system does not allow a free exchange of information an ideas.. an essential element of any free society.
It's a shame that illegal search-and-seizure of a legitimate business must be equated with stealing the intellectual property of the music industry.
This isn't about a relation between the two groups, but rather of the methodology they employ in achieving their goals. The RIAA, SS, MPA, CIA, NSA, FBI... all of them use the media to achieve their objectives. Don't you get it? By controlling the media, they control public perception. By controlling that, they can lock people up for unconstitutionally long times, violate their rights, and generally screw them over AND have the public think they're right! They defeated the one pillar of democracy that MUST remain intact: our checks-and-balances system went right out the window.
Unfortunately the way our twisted legal system works, they probably were only able to get compensatory damages - which means the actual, physical, damage to them. ie: lost wages for a week, replacement cost of computers, etc. They can't really go after sales because SJG probably didn't keep good records - or that is to say, rather, that they were all on the confinscated computer files.
I'd call it a win for the Secret Service: they shut down a company for good for $50k. That's a pretty effective return on your investment, eh?:(
This is kind of a symbolic date. Ten years ago today the first major assault on online freedom came in the form of an unsigned search warrant, confinscation of an entire company (effectively), and putting a company that designed games (and role playing ones at that!) that just happened to be about computer hacking.
Fast forward ten years, and the only thing that's changed is who authorizes the raids: the MPAA and RIAA are hot on the heels of so-called pirates who are giving them an estimated 1.2 billion dollar surplus of funds, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act - perhaps the worst offender since the CDA only because it's more comprehensive and dangerous. A felony to use a digital-audio converter? Reminds me of how stealing cable access is a felony, but me taking a hammer to your car (doubtless costing much more loss of property) is only a gross misdemeanor.
"these times, they are a changin'"... it seems to underscore the one problem we seem to be missing - this isn't a fight over intellectual property or freedom of information as much as it's a fight to educate people. Sadly enough, most people get their information through the massive media organizations and evening news. People who can afford to put the word out on their wires are all the average consumer can hear. Our fight is an underground one - we're trying to save the freedom of the average consumer (both in the US and the world at large) against greedy corporations and they think we're the bad guys!
Well.. for what's it's worth Steve, thanks for sobering us up to this reality.. even if you didn't know you'd be making history when they showed up at your doorstep.
Dude, I didn't read/a/ table, I read the footnotes from each manufacturer (squid didn't seem to have anything to add about their configuration), I read the conclusion, executive summary, and performance tips.. including the bit about the TCP_WAIT2 problem which nailed a few contestants to the wall.
Now, I'll say it again alittle more succinctly: Squid got squished.
I have a 32 bit version sitting in my system.. the very same one I'm typing this on. Hit up adaptec's site and search for the 29160N Ultra 160 SCSI adapter.
performance is king... fact is as a caching proxy squid hauls ass. period. If you take advantage of some of the redirect features you can do some pretty amazing things with it.
I'll agree Squid can do some serious work, but it didn't fare well against the other solutions presented in this benchmark.:(
I can't tell whether you meant this as alittle FUD thrown over linux, or because you believed all the other vendors there were inferior to FreeBSD. On one count you'd be wrong, unfortunately.
Yes, you can rely on FreeBSD. You can rely on NT too for certain things. That doesn't say much. I'd also like to point out that there are very serious holy wars out there over whether linux is superior to FreeBSD along with the general consensus in the linux camp that they will catch up (if they haven't already) with the BSDs in short order. The evidence is inconclusive..
Lastly.. about that "killer caching proxy"... umm, with all that bandwidth, why would you need proxying anyway? by that time you're probably a backbone provider and don't need to worry about stuff like that. Caches are used by ISPs with a T1 or two or corporations to limit bandwidth.. not by super-sized ISPs (not generally - AOL comes to mind as an exception). And why the 2940UW (I'm assuming you're thinking adaptec)? They have Ultra160 fibre now in the AIC-78xx chipsets which is register-compatible with the aic78xx module for linux... or for the *BSDs.
Go quote the mindcraft study to someone else - you've posted the same excerbs from that report on three seperate posts of mine. The mindcraft report was technically valid but was used in an unrealistic environment. So both sides are right. Can you stop this now?
Windows delivers the scalability and reliability to run real businesses-now. Opinion.
Feature for feature, Windows 2000 is the most cost-effective business platform. Opinion.
Microsoft wants to work with you to make your business successful on the Internet. Fact.
Some of the biggest e-businesses and dot coms run on Windows. Fact.
Dell, the largest e-business on the Internet, runs on Windows. Fact.
Sun claims to be a leader in system reliability and more reliable than Windows. Fair enough, they do claim to...
Electrolux Group, Accounting.com, Pro2Net and thousands of other companies have switched their Web sites from Sun platforms to Windows. (Source: Netcraft) Fact.
The vast majority of Sun?s Solaris shipments are on Sun?s own expensive, proprietary hardware and Sun has always buried the cost of Solaris in their hardware pricing. Opinion.
Conclusion: Windows is useful in some environments. So is everything else. I care about numbers, data, real, tangible, and reproducable things. If an NT server in X configuration crashes 35 times in and has an average downtime of 5%, while a linux box in X configuration with similar performance has a downtime of 1%.. linux wins. Conversely, if the NT box can pump out 8000 hits/s, while the linux box can manage 2100 hits/s and I need raw performance, NT wins. Stop reading the marketing hype and start reading the technical specifications.
Apache is a robust and reliable server with support for all kinds of server-side stuff that can cost you tens of thousands of dollars to find in a commercial implimentation, offers damn good performance (see the apache tuning hints on their page), and even a crummy P60 running apache can saturate a T1. Also, I don't think it's fair to compare Apache to Squid as they are run by two completely different development groups - and one is ALOT more evolved than the other (not the groups - the product *g*).
Squid, on the other hand, is a good compliment if your yearly IT budget is smaller than marketing's christmas party funding... but for serious stuff?
Sorry, but Squid didn't cut it here - I know, we all want the open source crew to win, but hey.. it just didn't happen here.
Microbits had a higher price/performance, about 25% less top-speed, but at half the price of the squid solution.
No offense, but you call that winning? It lost to it's competitors categorically and across the board - hits, latency, cost/performance.. what's the good news? Anyone?
I would be willing to go to jail over that. Civil disobedience. They're going to put me in the same category as rapists and murderers? I can't imagine that would last long under public scrutiny.
What it will do is make us look like a bunch of petulant children. Kind of like calling the kettle black though, don't you think? Here we are trying to support the standard and make it available on as many platforms as possible.. and what are they doing?
Of course, what they don't realize is that said speakers could have their voicecoil removed, a simple 5 ohm resistor (available at radioshack in packs of 10 for $0.79) place in series, and the output redirected back to a soundcard where it is oversampled and read back into an uncopyrighted format.
Estimated cost to produce "piracy setup": $80, or a busted set of USB speakers.
My crypto score: 0.5 whoo-hoos. Talk about a side-channel attack..
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Yeah, there's just one problem... the score is still 162-1. :(
It's all about politics...
Heh. Don't get too worried: we've got 'em under control. Be happy they're using the core of kerberos so it won't be hard to detect and fix the changes they made.
Ignorance about how computers work has led to laws which are dissimilar to their physical-world equivalents. If I publish a book called "how to break into homes", that's freedom of the press. If I distribute a webzine dedicated to breaking into computers, however, that's a crime. Where do you draw the line? The SJG debatacle drew that line.
How can you place software piracy raids and this event in the same philisophical boat? I don't get it.
Both are unfair abuses of legislative intent and of power. Both had large organizations without direct responsibility violating private citizen's rights.
We're never going to change the collective minds of those that are at the helm of big business.
False. They'll do what they need to stay in business, that IS their collective mind: it's got a huge dollar sign written all over the grey area. If we make products of higher quality and lower cost than they can, by virtue of supply and demand, we will eventually prevail. They've lost. The software is now ours.
Attraction rather than promotion.
I think it's repulsion you're thinking of. It makes me sick that our system does not allow a free exchange of information an ideas.. an essential element of any free society.
This isn't about a relation between the two groups, but rather of the methodology they employ in achieving their goals. The RIAA, SS, MPA, CIA, NSA, FBI... all of them use the media to achieve their objectives. Don't you get it? By controlling the media, they control public perception. By controlling that, they can lock people up for unconstitutionally long times, violate their rights, and generally screw them over AND have the public think they're right! They defeated the one pillar of democracy that MUST remain intact: our checks-and-balances system went right out the window.
THAT is why they are alike.
I'd call it a win for the Secret Service: they shut down a company for good for $50k. That's a pretty effective return on your investment, eh? :(
No offense, but the company was making more than that every few weeks... they lost on this: badly. If not just on the market capitalization..
Fast forward ten years, and the only thing that's changed is who authorizes the raids: the MPAA and RIAA are hot on the heels of so-called pirates who are giving them an estimated 1.2 billion dollar surplus of funds, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act - perhaps the worst offender since the CDA only because it's more comprehensive and dangerous. A felony to use a digital-audio converter? Reminds me of how stealing cable access is a felony, but me taking a hammer to your car (doubtless costing much more loss of property) is only a gross misdemeanor.
"these times, they are a changin'"... it seems to underscore the one problem we seem to be missing - this isn't a fight over intellectual property or freedom of information as much as it's a fight to educate people. Sadly enough, most people get their information through the massive media organizations and evening news. People who can afford to put the word out on their wires are all the average consumer can hear. Our fight is an underground one - we're trying to save the freedom of the average consumer (both in the US and the world at large) against greedy corporations and they think we're the bad guys!
Well.. for what's it's worth Steve, thanks for sobering us up to this reality.. even if you didn't know you'd be making history when they showed up at your doorstep.
Now, I'll say it again alittle more succinctly: Squid got squished.
I have a 32 bit version sitting in my system.. the very same one I'm typing this on. Hit up adaptec's site and search for the 29160N Ultra 160 SCSI adapter.
I pity the poor bastard that has to admin that box...
I'll agree Squid can do some serious work, but it didn't fare well against the other solutions presented in this benchmark. :(
I can't tell whether you meant this as alittle FUD thrown over linux, or because you believed all the other vendors there were inferior to FreeBSD. On one count you'd be wrong, unfortunately.
Yes, you can rely on FreeBSD. You can rely on NT too for certain things. That doesn't say much. I'd also like to point out that there are very serious holy wars out there over whether linux is superior to FreeBSD along with the general consensus in the linux camp that they will catch up (if they haven't already) with the BSDs in short order. The evidence is inconclusive..
Lastly.. about that "killer caching proxy"... umm, with all that bandwidth, why would you need proxying anyway? by that time you're probably a backbone provider and don't need to worry about stuff like that. Caches are used by ISPs with a T1 or two or corporations to limit bandwidth.. not by super-sized ISPs (not generally - AOL comes to mind as an exception). And why the 2940UW (I'm assuming you're thinking adaptec)? They have Ultra160 fibre now in the AIC-78xx chipsets which is register-compatible with the aic78xx module for linux... or for the *BSDs.
Go quote the mindcraft study to someone else - you've posted the same excerbs from that report on three seperate posts of mine. The mindcraft report was technically valid but was used in an unrealistic environment. So both sides are right. Can you stop this now?
He wasn't bored. He was bearded. There's a difference. =)
Windows delivers the scalability and reliability to run real businesses-now.
Opinion.
Feature for feature, Windows 2000 is the most cost-effective business platform.
Opinion.
Microsoft wants to work with you to make your business successful on the Internet.
Fact.
Some of the biggest e-businesses and dot coms run on Windows.
Fact.
Dell, the largest e-business on the Internet, runs on Windows.
Fact.
Sun claims to be a leader in system reliability and more reliable than Windows.
Fair enough, they do claim to...
Electrolux Group, Accounting.com, Pro2Net and thousands of other companies have switched their Web sites from Sun platforms to Windows. (Source: Netcraft)
Fact.
The vast majority of Sun?s Solaris shipments are on Sun?s own expensive, proprietary hardware and Sun has always buried the cost of Solaris in their hardware pricing.
Opinion.
Conclusion: Windows is useful in some environments. So is everything else. I care about numbers, data, real, tangible, and reproducable things. If an NT server in X configuration crashes 35 times in and has an average downtime of 5%, while a linux box in X configuration with similar performance has a downtime of 1%.. linux wins. Conversely, if the NT box can pump out 8000 hits/s, while the linux box can manage 2100 hits/s and I need raw performance, NT wins. Stop reading the marketing hype and start reading the technical specifications.
For latency, yeah.. but I don't think hits-per-second wants to be as low as possible....
Squid, on the other hand, is a good compliment if your yearly IT budget is smaller than marketing's christmas party funding... but for serious stuff?
Sorry, but Squid didn't cut it here - I know, we all want the open source crew to win, but hey.. it just didn't happen here.
No offense, but you call that winning? It lost to it's competitors categorically and across the board - hits, latency, cost/performance.. what's the good news? Anyone?
Minion> Yeah, we're down a shipment of AOL CDs.
I say they sue the bastards for trying to put the coffee coaster industry out of business...
I would be willing to go to jail over that. Civil disobedience. They're going to put me in the same category as rapists and murderers? I can't imagine that would last long under public scrutiny.
What it will do is make us look like a bunch of petulant children. Kind of like calling the kettle black though, don't you think? Here we are trying to support the standard and make it available on as many platforms as possible.. and what are they doing?
Estimated cost to produce "piracy setup": $80, or a busted set of USB speakers.
My crypto score: 0.5 whoo-hoos. Talk about a side-channel attack..
Okay, well... now that I'm bald that doesn't help much.
I spoke to an MSCE friend of mine, and he says it's a MS protocol. Also, according to these guys, it really is a Microsoft protocol.