The Sharia rape laws, by western standards, aren't very fair, we'll agree.
In Christian societies, polygamy and polyamory relationships aren't accepted (excepting what these societies believe as 'fringe' areas). Within some Christian segments, black and white church goers voluntarily segregate themselves. Others require wearing specific clothing, usually by females.
And yes, Leviticus gets cited as a reason to not recognize gay relationships, marriage, etc.
Does Islam have its problems? Oh yes. I saw on Wired (I believe), what appeared to be a stainless steel Mercedes coupe in front of a hotel in the Emirates. I was mistaken. It was 10K white gold. Greed is everywhere.
Are there problems across the planet because of orthodoxy and hardline stances? Sure!
Today Netanyahu declares Israel to be exempt from war crimes litigation, as the US has done, and continues to do.
Anecdote after anecdote.... can the morality of the world be improved without killing each other? I sure hope so.
How many offsetting offsets to the offsets does one need to ensure that simple data is backed up??
In the real world, too few people backup anything, then cry lots of tears. Here are people that actually went thru the process to get the service. Now their backups are missing-in-action. To the hosts of this service: off with your heads. Not excusable.
Trust? All that data's gone without much chance of it being recovered, as in bye-bye.
Do you think that perhaps T-Mobile, or their "trusted partners" might have had a full backup (an IT 101 sort of plan), a mirror or highly available machine (an IT 201 sort of plan), a disaster plan (IT 301), or maybe just an encrypted torrent out there somewhere?
No.
Heads oughta roll. Cloud computing is only as good as you make it; it only represents a server outside of your office's NOC or physical boundaries. Nothing else is guaranteed. In this case, it was a service running on somebody else's host (and not properly done) and so it's not a matter of doubting the cloud, it's a matter of firing an incompetent vendor, then getting ready for the barrage of litigation and shame. Stupid stupid stupid. Put a bell on these guy's necks. I don't want them around me.
Thank you for your vote of support. I can tell you're satisfied with the research, having watched Palestinians being stomped while Bush played violin.... watching much of the Muslim world wonder what the fcuk he'd do next.
We would disagree. I travel internationally, and watched as US support disintegrated across the EU in 2003-4. A lot of allies there and elsewhere questioned what the US did after the Afghani invasion.
You say speeches are just words, but there are many across the world that saw fear and retribution in Bush/Cheney/Rove, and actions that followed the words. Trillions of dollars in action, bad planning and horrid execution of what little planning there was.
Those deeds can't be erased. But the policies of fear and divisiveness take first admitting to end to polarization represented by the boorish and unkind, and plainly unorganized execution of policy. There are many Muslims, indeed a vast majority, that don't have to love the US, but they do dislike the politics and theocracy of the Taliban, and the rhetoric and bile of Al Qaeda and those like them. They needed to know that they weren't blithely little targets with red dots walking around just because they were Muslim.
US factions want to vilify what they perceive as the enemy. Add religious enmity and the need for cheap oil, and look what happens. So yes, bridges are being built. They aren't built in a day, week, month, or even a year. Eight years of wicked war will take lots of healing.
Does the rest of the world believe in Obama? They're trying to. So am I.
There are those that don't understand how truly nice this is. Somehow, an early negative reaction tried to steal the glory from the announcement, and was good doing it. Seems they don't want the ideals expressed. Or they think it's too early for such a prize.
Yet the wounds caused by Bush are deep. There's a way to go in the healing process. And there's peace to be had, if people can drop their shoulders and embrace, instead of holding themselves in the exaggerated fear campaign and propaganda from Cheney and Rove. Reaching out is a new way to feel in the US.
There's a broadly cast brush that does no one any good. America has guilt, and there's not a non-guilty party across the planet although many will argue that they are.
There are all sorts of bad previous behavior (in terms of civility) that each and every theology and country have practiced. It's because we're all human. Theocrats will tell you all sorts of different stories about why they're likely (or in certainty) they're better than you and I. Some have the ring of 'truth' to them.
Muslims are as Vonnegut might have said, 'meat-humans' like the rest of us. I'm not Muslim. That, to some Muslims, makes me an infidel and worthy of death. I have some Christian friends that would want to make the same claim.... but they'd be charged with murder if they killed me where I live. That doesn't change the hate in their heart. It's the hate I condemn and the theocracies behind hate that ought to be targeted, no matter the supposed religious name given the underlying theological tenets.
Bush went after Al Qaeda, initially in Afghanistan, and after the Taliban there were hiding them.
Then, he trumped up weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and invaded the country. In the interim, he allowed numerous fights to go on, like the Lebanese civil war, blockades by the Israeli of the Palestinians (who were no heros themselves), and generally caused huge divides across the planet. Our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq became disgusted and left, and Bush did nothing to heal anti-Muslim sentiments in the US.
Obama started off immediately by trying to bridge the hard sentiments left by the Bush/Cheney administration. After Bush/Cheney decimated Iraq's government-- not having a usable replacement plan in mind-- and rebuilding the Afghani factions into a pseudo government that didn't really work, left Obama with not a lot of options.
Bush agreed to pull out of Iraq from intense pressure. We should have never been there in the first place. Yeah, Saddam Hussein was a madman and murderous despot, but he's by no means the only one. Now, trillions have been spent and we're little better off than we were in April of 2002.
Even today, there are few monotheists, or polytheists for that matter that don't practice some pretty offensive actions-- viewed by another one of the aforementioned believers.
Others have turned down prizes, too. Gandhi's currency is his own, as is that of the guy that invented dynamite, then gave the gift of a prize bearing his name as penance.
The largest part of the Muslim world isn't the picture you painted. There are large ideological differences between Muslim and 'western' ideals. His first act, if you'll recall, was to let the Muslim world know that the US wasn't at war with them, rather the factions that support terrorism.
Your specific grievances with various Muslim factions can also be translated to various Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Jainist, and Buddhist factions. Orthodoxy sucks. Yet condemning an entire culture because of the warts within it does no one good.
It would be difficult, given your obvious alienation, to understand the award for what it is. Richard Lugar, who's also been an advocate for nuclear disarmament was also ignored.
But if building a bridge to the Muslim community across the world-- which numbers one in four inhabitants on this earth-- counts, then the combination of the two is somewhat extraordinary, given the prior administration's complete polarization of most of the world, three wars, and the possible nuclear proliferation of frightening proportions.
Ganhi might have been a good recipient. Posthumously, he can't get it. Bummer. I doubt he'd have accepted it anyway.
So they ostensibly lose a little money and 'dump' cars in to the US. Not all of us are suckered into bloated options-- and US car makers are famous for them, too. That they were able to find a market is a good thing. US Prius owners get the benefit of higher resale value for not only mpg but overall quality aids resale and ownership costs, too. Sour grapes, dude.
The remaining US automakers could learn a few lessons. Look at how well NUMMI cars continue to sell.
Mod parent up. Maybe those plush federal court offices with all of the grandiose furnishings might be paying for public access to documents which we OWN anyway. Taxes, filing fees, judgments to the government, these all produce revenue.
And by the way: pay judges more money so they're less incented towards feeling other financial influences that skew judments./highhorse
Did they do bad by manipulating the botnet? Sure. Tsk tsk.
Can they crack that egg and get rid of it now? Yeah. The sad thing is they'll need some court order to do it, rather than take the leech offline and be done with it. I wish they could trace route it so that a little drone could drop by the instigator's address with a payload of green goo.
Sounds like a testosterone reaction but consider just how many machines are bot'd these days and how rotten the state of operating systems protection is, and how foolish users are, and how much hardware is under control of the bad guys. Then admonish them for trying to crack this nut.
I'm not trying to start a flame war, but your boundaries are a little too kindergarten for me.
It would be nice if astroturfing and paid shills were considered fraud; a few nice and high profile prosecutions would be delicious.
But you can't tell if they're all positive whether they're just lucky, have good stuff, edit the bad ones out, etc. Few people keep real track of these things unless it's a fanboy site with militant members.
I was astounded to check out a VoIP comparison site, then read the reviews. Although a few of the negative ones had a bad smell, the tone and tenor of them made me do U-turns from a few VoIP providers where the reviews were consistently awful. Sorry Vonage.
Mmmmm. Gotta love man (some odd argument) pages as a form of user education.
You can google/whateversearch both operating systems and get answers. Both have wikis, both have forums, both have newsgroups. There's also a mix of arrogant bastards and truly helpful types among those that support each.
If you want to get it fixed quick, have open source and someone that knows the difference between a compiler argument and a live hand grenade. If you want to use hand holding, pay for support and wait your turn for fixes from some coder burning midnight oil or trying to hold on to his/her job @ Microsoft (or a contractor).
That Microsoft has a seemingly real certification program is a good thing. 64-bit is good. I held on to 8-bit, then 16-bit, then 32-bit. They were all good. 64-bit is better, and it's dirt cheap, even the V/VT-compatible processors. But the people that actually need Windows 7 are few, and it will arrive on new hardware whether we like it or not, unless we choose the 'other' option.
So, much to-do over nothing is the theme of this thread. Let the flames begin.
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The Sharia rape laws, by western standards, aren't very fair, we'll agree.
In Christian societies, polygamy and polyamory relationships aren't accepted (excepting what these societies believe as 'fringe' areas). Within some Christian segments, black and white church goers voluntarily segregate themselves. Others require wearing specific clothing, usually by females.
And yes, Leviticus gets cited as a reason to not recognize gay relationships, marriage, etc.
Does Islam have its problems? Oh yes. I saw on Wired (I believe), what appeared to be a stainless steel Mercedes coupe in front of a hotel in the Emirates. I was mistaken. It was 10K white gold. Greed is everywhere.
Are there problems across the planet because of orthodoxy and hardline stances? Sure!
Today Netanyahu declares Israel to be exempt from war crimes litigation, as the US has done, and continues to do.
Anecdote after anecdote.... can the morality of the world be improved without killing each other? I sure hope so.
Amen.
You would want that to work.
Maybe use something like rseven.com.
How many offsetting offsets to the offsets does one need to ensure that simple data is backed up??
In the real world, too few people backup anything, then cry lots of tears. Here are people that actually went thru the process to get the service. Now their backups are missing-in-action. To the hosts of this service: off with your heads. Not excusable.
Trust? All that data's gone without much chance of it being recovered, as in bye-bye.
Do you think that perhaps T-Mobile, or their "trusted partners" might have had a full backup (an IT 101 sort of plan), a mirror or highly available machine (an IT 201 sort of plan), a disaster plan (IT 301), or maybe just an encrypted torrent out there somewhere?
No.
Heads oughta roll. Cloud computing is only as good as you make it; it only represents a server outside of your office's NOC or physical boundaries. Nothing else is guaranteed. In this case, it was a service running on somebody else's host (and not properly done) and so it's not a matter of doubting the cloud, it's a matter of firing an incompetent vendor, then getting ready for the barrage of litigation and shame. Stupid stupid stupid. Put a bell on these guy's necks. I don't want them around me.
Thank you for your vote of support. I can tell you're satisfied with the research, having watched Palestinians being stomped while Bush played violin.... watching much of the Muslim world wonder what the fcuk he'd do next.
We would disagree. I travel internationally, and watched as US support disintegrated across the EU in 2003-4. A lot of allies there and elsewhere questioned what the US did after the Afghani invasion.
You say speeches are just words, but there are many across the world that saw fear and retribution in Bush/Cheney/Rove, and actions that followed the words. Trillions of dollars in action, bad planning and horrid execution of what little planning there was.
Those deeds can't be erased. But the policies of fear and divisiveness take first admitting to end to polarization represented by the boorish and unkind, and plainly unorganized execution of policy. There are many Muslims, indeed a vast majority, that don't have to love the US, but they do dislike the politics and theocracy of the Taliban, and the rhetoric and bile of Al Qaeda and those like them. They needed to know that they weren't blithely little targets with red dots walking around just because they were Muslim.
US factions want to vilify what they perceive as the enemy. Add religious enmity and the need for cheap oil, and look what happens. So yes, bridges are being built. They aren't built in a day, week, month, or even a year. Eight years of wicked war will take lots of healing.
Does the rest of the world believe in Obama? They're trying to. So am I.
Everyone's a victim. Get in line.
There are those that don't understand how truly nice this is. Somehow, an early negative reaction tried to steal the glory from the announcement, and was good doing it. Seems they don't want the ideals expressed. Or they think it's too early for such a prize.
Yet the wounds caused by Bush are deep. There's a way to go in the healing process. And there's peace to be had, if people can drop their shoulders and embrace, instead of holding themselves in the exaggerated fear campaign and propaganda from Cheney and Rove. Reaching out is a new way to feel in the US.
That's my point.
There's a broadly cast brush that does no one any good. America has guilt, and there's not a non-guilty party across the planet although many will argue that they are.
There are all sorts of bad previous behavior (in terms of civility) that each and every theology and country have practiced. It's because we're all human. Theocrats will tell you all sorts of different stories about why they're likely (or in certainty) they're better than you and I. Some have the ring of 'truth' to them.
Muslims are as Vonnegut might have said, 'meat-humans' like the rest of us. I'm not Muslim. That, to some Muslims, makes me an infidel and worthy of death. I have some Christian friends that would want to make the same claim.... but they'd be charged with murder if they killed me where I live. That doesn't change the hate in their heart. It's the hate I condemn and the theocracies behind hate that ought to be targeted, no matter the supposed religious name given the underlying theological tenets.
Orthodoxy suck, IMHO. Intolerance sucks.
Bush went after Al Qaeda, initially in Afghanistan, and after the Taliban there were hiding them.
Then, he trumped up weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and invaded the country. In the interim, he allowed numerous fights to go on, like the Lebanese civil war, blockades by the Israeli of the Palestinians (who were no heros themselves), and generally caused huge divides across the planet. Our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq became disgusted and left, and Bush did nothing to heal anti-Muslim sentiments in the US.
Obama started off immediately by trying to bridge the hard sentiments left by the Bush/Cheney administration. After Bush/Cheney decimated Iraq's government-- not having a usable replacement plan in mind-- and rebuilding the Afghani factions into a pseudo government that didn't really work, left Obama with not a lot of options.
Bush agreed to pull out of Iraq from intense pressure. We should have never been there in the first place. Yeah, Saddam Hussein was a madman and murderous despot, but he's by no means the only one. Now, trillions have been spent and we're little better off than we were in April of 2002.
Hope? No. Healing? Yeah.
The keyword was: universally. It's not universal at all.
Theocracy is in the eye of the believer.
Even today, there are few monotheists, or polytheists for that matter that don't practice some pretty offensive actions-- viewed by another one of the aforementioned believers.
His actions didn't represent those words. Obama's trying, or so I see it.
Others have turned down prizes, too. Gandhi's currency is his own, as is that of the guy that invented dynamite, then gave the gift of a prize bearing his name as penance.
Uh, no.
Shari'ah is NOT recognized by the very vast majority of Muslim believers.
You condemn by anecdote. Can I tell you about Leviticus, or perhaps Jim Crow?
The largest part of the Muslim world isn't the picture you painted. There are large ideological differences between Muslim and 'western' ideals. His first act, if you'll recall, was to let the Muslim world know that the US wasn't at war with them, rather the factions that support terrorism.
Your specific grievances with various Muslim factions can also be translated to various Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Jainist, and Buddhist factions. Orthodoxy sucks. Yet condemning an entire culture because of the warts within it does no one good.
It would be difficult, given your obvious alienation, to understand the award for what it is. Richard Lugar, who's also been an advocate for nuclear disarmament was also ignored.
But if building a bridge to the Muslim community across the world-- which numbers one in four inhabitants on this earth-- counts, then the combination of the two is somewhat extraordinary, given the prior administration's complete polarization of most of the world, three wars, and the possible nuclear proliferation of frightening proportions.
Ganhi might have been a good recipient. Posthumously, he can't get it. Bummer. I doubt he'd have accepted it anyway.
You ignore the content of that PowerPoint presentation. The software app chosen was a little dicey, but the message was clear.
So they ostensibly lose a little money and 'dump' cars in to the US. Not all of us are suckered into bloated options-- and US car makers are famous for them, too. That they were able to find a market is a good thing. US Prius owners get the benefit of higher resale value for not only mpg but overall quality aids resale and ownership costs, too. Sour grapes, dude.
The remaining US automakers could learn a few lessons. Look at how well NUMMI cars continue to sell.
But I'm already going that fast.
I posted this message 61,282 years ago.
Mod parent up. Maybe those plush federal court offices with all of the grandiose furnishings might be paying for public access to documents which we OWN anyway. Taxes, filing fees, judgments to the government, these all produce revenue.
And by the way: pay judges more money so they're less incented towards feeling other financial influences that skew judments. /highhorse
No, they shouldn't restrict themselves.
They're fucking heros.
Did they do bad by manipulating the botnet? Sure. Tsk tsk.
Can they crack that egg and get rid of it now? Yeah. The sad thing is they'll need some court order to do it, rather than take the leech offline and be done with it. I wish they could trace route it so that a little drone could drop by the instigator's address with a payload of green goo.
Sounds like a testosterone reaction but consider just how many machines are bot'd these days and how rotten the state of operating systems protection is, and how foolish users are, and how much hardware is under control of the bad guys. Then admonish them for trying to crack this nut.
I'm not trying to start a flame war, but your boundaries are a little too kindergarten for me.
It would be nice if astroturfing and paid shills were considered fraud; a few nice and high profile prosecutions would be delicious.
But you can't tell if they're all positive whether they're just lucky, have good stuff, edit the bad ones out, etc. Few people keep real track of these things unless it's a fanboy site with militant members.
I was astounded to check out a VoIP comparison site, then read the reviews. Although a few of the negative ones had a bad smell, the tone and tenor of them made me do U-turns from a few VoIP providers where the reviews were consistently awful. Sorry Vonage.
Mmmmm. Gotta love man (some odd argument) pages as a form of user education.
You can google/whateversearch both operating systems and get answers. Both have wikis, both have forums, both have newsgroups. There's also a mix of arrogant bastards and truly helpful types among those that support each.
If you want to get it fixed quick, have open source and someone that knows the difference between a compiler argument and a live hand grenade. If you want to use hand holding, pay for support and wait your turn for fixes from some coder burning midnight oil or trying to hold on to his/her job @ Microsoft (or a contractor).
That Microsoft has a seemingly real certification program is a good thing. 64-bit is good. I held on to 8-bit, then 16-bit, then 32-bit. They were all good. 64-bit is better, and it's dirt cheap, even the V/VT-compatible processors. But the people that actually need Windows 7 are few, and it will arrive on new hardware whether we like it or not, unless we choose the 'other' option.
So, much to-do over nothing is the theme of this thread. Let the flames begin.