If both have the same velocity factor, then the speed of light is the same between the two. For satellites, there is a mixture from the point of terrestrial origination in velocity factor. Once in the sat, sat-to-sat is fixed, then there is the next velocity factor of the signal's return to earth. Full duplex communications across the full link should be about the same, with some modest but controlled jitter.
The proposed waveguide fiber has the characteristic of having a last-mile velocity factor that is copper or hybrid or fiber, end to end. Going far up into the sky, across the sky, then down to earth, where the chosen path is least-shortest path is still 2x-manyx that of the fiber path, equalizing out the delay factor to the main signal pathway chosen.
New and more dense modulation schemes have been evolving in wireless and wired/photonic pathways for almost a century, and more rapidly now. But the available amount of radio spectrum is finite, which is mutiplied by simply using multiple fibers, because one can't create multiple radio spectrums-- there's only one.
Add into the equation that although these sats may be SDRs, and new modulation schemes can be uploaded to them as "firmware", their antennas and their energy sources are still finite until a physical upgrade can be accommodated, with visits from a friendly spaceship?
Radio at those frequencies goes through clouds well. It doesn't have to penetrate at lower frequencies, clouds, fogs, and compete with bursts (lightning).
The problem with cellular is the same as with Imsat phones: latency. The speed of light only goes so fast.
And so, if both transports are of the same velocity, then the shorter distance wins the speed contest.
Problem is: speed serves only a few individuals for the effort and money spent, until a new medium that's either shorter or more dense (!!!) wins. Fiber's rarely been a bad investment. However, radio is a finite resource, even with better modulation schemes.
None of it's in the ground, but would be a lot less polluting than hanging 4400+ sats in LEO. Go into any town in the US and look around at the pollution of cable, phone, electrical lines + the madness of cell towers multiplying in the night.
This isn't disruptive, it's another less-is-more problem. Latency is a problem only for the rich and those in need of killing orcs online. Once congestion builds, another 4400+ will go up. Then they'll use lasers for security... and a second skin will cover the earth, and it won't be the F2 layer.
But no one will fall on their swords. More will be found. No necks hung from a yard arm, even though the backdoors are probably known.
Were they inserted at the request of intelligence agencies? We'll never know. However, this is my suspicion. There is a great hunger for such things among the spooks.
The output of all three is (hopefully) working code. My description is of the output. I don't talk about gas, diesel, and hybrids, as fuel consumption methods, rather, all three are auto/truck transportation motive design methods. You quibble too easily, AC.
And you touch on the root problem with this entire question.
The question was conjured by a writer at ZDNET so that the question could be answered in a compare/contrast article that made the author money.
The blazing, glowing, throbbing problem with the title is that it's a question and when a question is posed as an article headline, the answer is almost always NO, leading to lots of considered, even heated replies as to defend the answer.
The tl;dr is it's designed to sucker you into a conversation. My actual sentiment is to say: no. None of these are the same thing, except they're all coding. Three incongruent avenues to coding.
After you've been hit with malware, a virus, maybe ransomware, pranks just aren't funny anymore. There are enough stunts pulled by firmware, coders, and people that misconfigure stuff to provide endless entertainment, if that's the sort of thing that gives you giggles.
It's not really a war, it's more intrigue and economy
The state actors will try to have the exploits first. They'll pay mightily to have them, and let them do work quietly for a long time. I suspect they're already at work. Because of the problem in AMD's PSP chips, some exploits will never be detected, ever, only blindly wiped at some point.
Other exploits will try to be quiet and quietly unobtrusive for as long as possible. Then there'll be a leak or a copycat found, and available on an onion address for a short while at a slowly degrading price, until someone buys and exposes it, and then there will be a fury of patching until variants of that bug come alive, while other bugs are sitll in stage one or two.
Don't believe nothing's going on. We're just in the quiet stage, until someone either screws up and lets their EK become revealed, or a handy packet snifter starts alarming someone to a rogue somewhere. Then something at stage one will go to stage two. That's how this works.
Well, no that's not quite true. I see you're not a history student, but it does tend to repeat itself. The history of our borders is different than you apparently believe.
Um, no. The pipe bombs were sent to Dems. Can use it as an excuse. You have too many "anyways" in your reply.
What we can agree on is that the US Military, in principle, is obliged not to be involved in domestic insurrection..... but the state guards do have some sway as directed. The other agencies aren't so good, or so smart, but a preponderance of goofy agencies working against each other is both expensive and entertaining... if it doesn't get bloody.
This may well be the intention. The day of the hackintosh seems almost over anyway. There is sufficient bloat in macOS that it rivals Windows 10, although without so many phone-homes and in-your-face ads.
The Mac is only barely more immune from hacking and malware than Windoze. Even Linux and ?BSDs are having their own problems. I'm not sure the hacks needed to do a Mac clone are worth the trouble. There are a few features that I personally like in High Sierra+, but it's not worth the trouble. My need for encryption is less than most people's. Encrypting a 'home' directory seems a waste of time, given the possible trouble.
Fear is a huge motivator. People now use heavy weapons. Look at the violence of the past two weeks if you had any questions.
People's trust in government is at an all-time low, and the distrust with law enforcement has also risen. Were these intentional moves so that government might assert control, bypassing both constitutional and legal constraints?
A pipe bomber plays into their hands. Fear of heavy armament or resistance has always been a motivator to use excessive force. Weapons of mass destruction guarantee a turf war. Will good sense prevail? Will/would the citizenry excuse a military response to a small crisis? Watch the southern US border over the next few weeks, and you'll have your answer. Fear drives a military response against a Honduran march heading towards Texas. This will not go well.
Although CEO pay is certainly astronomical, there used to be public policy after the AT&T breakup to encourage customer premises equipment (CPE). Your own landline phone. The cable or set top box was an exception to owning your own stuff until sufficient commotion was made to let people have their own stuff.
If you have cable, you can very likely get your own stuff. Your local big box electronics retailer knows which one works with which provider in your area. It's fine to rob that provider of their insane rental monthly charges for cheapo routers, which is the point of the post.
And yes, they will nickel and dime their clientele because it beefs up the bottom line and pleases Wall Street and stockholders. This is not about consumers anymore, this is about a bought-off FCC and elected government in the USA. Ask questions, then: Vote.
Wasn't looking for paradise. Don't believe that a preponderance of users feel one way or another, although certainly some feel marginalized. Go ahead and dissent your brains out.
Your view of "socialist paradises" outs you as a Russian troll. Lots of that going around these days.
Were only this true. Everyone can post. The preponderance of views against non-progressives is a statistical truth, rather than a case of lack of representation.
Conservatives have created conservative buckets. Those buckets include: fiscally, tea-party holdovers, alt-right, orthodox-inclined/evangelicals needing numeric strength, and many diverse, even opposing views attempting to unite around "non-progressives" as a rallying cry. Anyone can use Twitter, and so the representation argument is flawed.
You have to remember, @Jack is getting a lot of heat right now. Congress is breathing down his neck, stock analysts, too. The echo chambers have lots of fake users, and there are now apps to tell how many fake followers you have and rate them.
So times are tough for him. He wants to take the steam out of his kettle. This was a messaging app without a business model, but folks like hizzoner-the-prez gives ad views lots of momentum. Eyeballs wait to see what the fearless leader of the USA will babble next.
If you're a vendor, you can catch much hell on Twitter. I'm sure those shrinking violets must hate when someone derides their stuff, then 20,000 "like/heart" clicks appear in the next few minutes.
The three letter agencies (not counting their other internal and external allies) are watching from the satellites, intercepting at NAP points, and sniffing lots of everything else. It's a big industry with lots of contractors across the planet. They watch each other, looking for new and interesting techniques. They sift and sniff the gargantuan amount of data looking for stuff, and sometimes they're successful, allies or not.
The latest SDRs are full of fun and mirth for those wishing to do trivial decodes and intercepts. The ways around identification are non-trivial, and worse where cameras can correlate physical identification. If you travel, chances are you're seen dozens, even hundreds of times. It's not paranoia, it's a matter of stitching data together to weave correlation.
It keeps them busy, albeit expensively. The rest of us just go to work and wonder what tiny amount of actual national security gets done, given the enormous poundage of data generated each moment. The reason for AI and neural learning isn't really about anything more than sifting and reacting. Lots of dead bodies this past week whose murderers didn't get detected.
I won't argue vast supply chain. You over-estimate the size and demand and impact. So we must disagree. There is no doubt that a disruption would occur. The magnitude and outcomes would crash a decided number of businesses. Would it cause a burden? Yep. Could it be surmounted? Certainly not easily, but in certainty, what has been woven into a cloth of low-cost labor fealty can be unwoven. Given the madness of their current regime, it may have to be. Extricating supply chain from China would be onerous, but not the gottdamerung you posit.
This morning I looked at some of the website my organizations manage. The attacks came 84% from China origin. Pakistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, and even France trailed well behind.
I try to specifically not buy Chinese goods, especially Chinese foods. Certainly others do. I try to put my money where it will do the most good, and that's as local as possible. This said, the dependency that US Corporate industry has put on China now enslaves them to a regime that suppresses free speech, human rights (yeah, we do to, but we're working on it), and attempts to conquer the S China Sea. They're suckering parts of Africa, S America, and the Middle East, the disaffected areas, into financial chattel.
So they hijack BGP for a little while to sniff who's doing what. It's not a mistake. It is a mistake to have a president that uses a sniffable phone, but let's not quibble. All of that data gets sorted and sifted. They do not, and no one has the right to do that, no, not even the NSA. The honor system used to respect BGP updates is hilarious, and one of the many flaws of the Internet. But the US has given up most of its policing rights. Let the games begin. Oh, wait, they've been underway for a decade.
Enough hand-wringing. Your contention is simply fear-mongering. The BS of ecosystem betrays your sense of fragility, and not the reality of the situation.
There would be a disruption. Alibaba and more would rapidly crater. Supply chains would be broken. Apple might have a bad quarter. Poor Apple.
On the ground in the USA, some farmers would be selling bacon and soybeans really inexpensively. Other markets would be found. The ASEAN currencies would go like rollercoasters as new supply chains are made. The price of oil would drop. Boo Hoo.
But we might need more anti-anxiety medications for folks like you. Oh, right, India would be right up to bat. Auto parts would come from Bangalore and Lahore, perhaps Penang. Yeah, garlic would be tough.... for a while.
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It's true, transports don't move. They're layer 1.
If both have the same velocity factor, then the speed of light is the same between the two. For satellites, there is a mixture from the point of terrestrial origination in velocity factor. Once in the sat, sat-to-sat is fixed, then there is the next velocity factor of the signal's return to earth. Full duplex communications across the full link should be about the same, with some modest but controlled jitter.
The proposed waveguide fiber has the characteristic of having a last-mile velocity factor that is copper or hybrid or fiber, end to end. Going far up into the sky, across the sky, then down to earth, where the chosen path is least-shortest path is still 2x-manyx that of the fiber path, equalizing out the delay factor to the main signal pathway chosen.
New and more dense modulation schemes have been evolving in wireless and wired/photonic pathways for almost a century, and more rapidly now. But the available amount of radio spectrum is finite, which is mutiplied by simply using multiple fibers, because one can't create multiple radio spectrums-- there's only one.
Add into the equation that although these sats may be SDRs, and new modulation schemes can be uploaded to them as "firmware", their antennas and their energy sources are still finite until a physical upgrade can be accommodated, with visits from a friendly spaceship?
Radio at those frequencies goes through clouds well. It doesn't have to penetrate at lower frequencies, clouds, fogs, and compete with bursts (lightning).
The problem with cellular is the same as with Imsat phones: latency. The speed of light only goes so fast.
And so, if both transports are of the same velocity, then the shorter distance wins the speed contest.
Problem is: speed serves only a few individuals for the effort and money spent, until a new medium that's either shorter or more dense (!!!) wins. Fiber's rarely been a bad investment. However, radio is a finite resource, even with better modulation schemes.
None of it's in the ground, but would be a lot less polluting than hanging 4400+ sats in LEO. Go into any town in the US and look around at the pollution of cable, phone, electrical lines + the madness of cell towers multiplying in the night.
This isn't disruptive, it's another less-is-more problem. Latency is a problem only for the rich and those in need of killing orcs online. Once congestion builds, another 4400+ will go up. Then they'll use lasers for security... and a second skin will cover the earth, and it won't be the F2 layer.
Yep. It means a smashed QA process.
But no one will fall on their swords. More will be found. No necks hung from a yard arm, even though the backdoors are probably known.
Were they inserted at the request of intelligence agencies? We'll never know. However, this is my suspicion. There is a great hunger for such things among the spooks.
The output of all three is (hopefully) working code. My description is of the output. I don't talk about gas, diesel, and hybrids, as fuel consumption methods, rather, all three are auto/truck transportation motive design methods. You quibble too easily, AC.
And you touch on the root problem with this entire question.
The question was conjured by a writer at ZDNET so that the question could be answered in a compare/contrast article that made the author money.
The blazing, glowing, throbbing problem with the title is that it's a question and when a question is posed as an article headline, the answer is almost always NO, leading to lots of considered, even heated replies as to defend the answer.
The tl;dr is it's designed to sucker you into a conversation. My actual sentiment is to say: no. None of these are the same thing, except they're all coding. Three incongruent avenues to coding.
After you've been hit with malware, a virus, maybe ransomware, pranks just aren't funny anymore. There are enough stunts pulled by firmware, coders, and people that misconfigure stuff to provide endless entertainment, if that's the sort of thing that gives you giggles.
It's not really a war, it's more intrigue and economy
The state actors will try to have the exploits first. They'll pay mightily to have them, and let them do work quietly for a long time. I suspect they're already at work. Because of the problem in AMD's PSP chips, some exploits will never be detected, ever, only blindly wiped at some point.
Other exploits will try to be quiet and quietly unobtrusive for as long as possible. Then there'll be a leak or a copycat found, and available on an onion address for a short while at a slowly degrading price, until someone buys and exposes it, and then there will be a fury of patching until variants of that bug come alive, while other bugs are sitll in stage one or two.
Don't believe nothing's going on. We're just in the quiet stage, until someone either screws up and lets their EK become revealed, or a handy packet snifter starts alarming someone to a rogue somewhere. Then something at stage one will go to stage two. That's how this works.
Still another Russian troll. Seems to be a spate of them on this thread.
I giggle.
Another Russian troll.
Are you one of those Russian trolls I've been hearing about? You sure are thick.
Well, no that's not quite true. I see you're not a history student, but it does tend to repeat itself. The history of our borders is different than you apparently believe.
Um, no. The pipe bombs were sent to Dems. Can use it as an excuse. You have too many "anyways" in your reply.
What we can agree on is that the US Military, in principle, is obliged not to be involved in domestic insurrection..... but the state guards do have some sway as directed. The other agencies aren't so good, or so smart, but a preponderance of goofy agencies working against each other is both expensive and entertaining... if it doesn't get bloody.
This may well be the intention. The day of the hackintosh seems almost over anyway. There is sufficient bloat in macOS that it rivals Windows 10, although without so many phone-homes and in-your-face ads.
The Mac is only barely more immune from hacking and malware than Windoze. Even Linux and ?BSDs are having their own problems. I'm not sure the hacks needed to do a Mac clone are worth the trouble. There are a few features that I personally like in High Sierra+, but it's not worth the trouble. My need for encryption is less than most people's. Encrypting a 'home' directory seems a waste of time, given the possible trouble.
Fear is a huge motivator. People now use heavy weapons. Look at the violence of the past two weeks if you had any questions.
People's trust in government is at an all-time low, and the distrust with law enforcement has also risen. Were these intentional moves so that government might assert control, bypassing both constitutional and legal constraints?
A pipe bomber plays into their hands. Fear of heavy armament or resistance has always been a motivator to use excessive force. Weapons of mass destruction guarantee a turf war. Will good sense prevail? Will/would the citizenry excuse a military response to a small crisis? Watch the southern US border over the next few weeks, and you'll have your answer. Fear drives a military response against a Honduran march heading towards Texas. This will not go well.
Although CEO pay is certainly astronomical, there used to be public policy after the AT&T breakup to encourage customer premises equipment (CPE). Your own landline phone. The cable or set top box was an exception to owning your own stuff until sufficient commotion was made to let people have their own stuff.
If you have cable, you can very likely get your own stuff. Your local big box electronics retailer knows which one works with which provider in your area. It's fine to rob that provider of their insane rental monthly charges for cheapo routers, which is the point of the post.
And yes, they will nickel and dime their clientele because it beefs up the bottom line and pleases Wall Street and stockholders. This is not about consumers anymore, this is about a bought-off FCC and elected government in the USA. Ask questions, then: Vote.
Wasn't looking for paradise. Don't believe that a preponderance of users feel one way or another, although certainly some feel marginalized. Go ahead and dissent your brains out.
Your view of "socialist paradises" outs you as a Russian troll. Lots of that going around these days.
Your paranoia is not my paranoia. If you live in such fear, you should spend your time embracing what you can't control and the civility that ensues.
Were only this true. Everyone can post. The preponderance of views against non-progressives is a statistical truth, rather than a case of lack of representation.
Conservatives have created conservative buckets. Those buckets include: fiscally, tea-party holdovers, alt-right, orthodox-inclined/evangelicals needing numeric strength, and many diverse, even opposing views attempting to unite around "non-progressives" as a rallying cry. Anyone can use Twitter, and so the representation argument is flawed.
You have to remember, @Jack is getting a lot of heat right now. Congress is breathing down his neck, stock analysts, too. The echo chambers have lots of fake users, and there are now apps to tell how many fake followers you have and rate them.
So times are tough for him. He wants to take the steam out of his kettle. This was a messaging app without a business model, but folks like hizzoner-the-prez gives ad views lots of momentum. Eyeballs wait to see what the fearless leader of the USA will babble next.
If you're a vendor, you can catch much hell on Twitter. I'm sure those shrinking violets must hate when someone derides their stuff, then 20,000 "like/heart" clicks appear in the next few minutes.
Twiter is about to jump the shark.... again.
I agree.
The three letter agencies (not counting their other internal and external allies) are watching from the satellites, intercepting at NAP points, and sniffing lots of everything else. It's a big industry with lots of contractors across the planet. They watch each other, looking for new and interesting techniques. They sift and sniff the gargantuan amount of data looking for stuff, and sometimes they're successful, allies or not.
The latest SDRs are full of fun and mirth for those wishing to do trivial decodes and intercepts. The ways around identification are non-trivial, and worse where cameras can correlate physical identification. If you travel, chances are you're seen dozens, even hundreds of times. It's not paranoia, it's a matter of stitching data together to weave correlation.
It keeps them busy, albeit expensively. The rest of us just go to work and wonder what tiny amount of actual national security gets done, given the enormous poundage of data generated each moment. The reason for AI and neural learning isn't really about anything more than sifting and reacting. Lots of dead bodies this past week whose murderers didn't get detected.
I won't argue vast supply chain. You over-estimate the size and demand and impact. So we must disagree. There is no doubt that a disruption would occur. The magnitude and outcomes would crash a decided number of businesses. Would it cause a burden? Yep. Could it be surmounted? Certainly not easily, but in certainty, what has been woven into a cloth of low-cost labor fealty can be unwoven. Given the madness of their current regime, it may have to be. Extricating supply chain from China would be onerous, but not the gottdamerung you posit.
Are the tariffs stupid? Didn't comment on that.
This morning I looked at some of the website my organizations manage. The attacks came 84% from China origin. Pakistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, and even France trailed well behind.
I try to specifically not buy Chinese goods, especially Chinese foods. Certainly others do. I try to put my money where it will do the most good, and that's as local as possible. This said, the dependency that US Corporate industry has put on China now enslaves them to a regime that suppresses free speech, human rights (yeah, we do to, but we're working on it), and attempts to conquer the S China Sea. They're suckering parts of Africa, S America, and the Middle East, the disaffected areas, into financial chattel.
So they hijack BGP for a little while to sniff who's doing what. It's not a mistake. It is a mistake to have a president that uses a sniffable phone, but let's not quibble. All of that data gets sorted and sifted. They do not, and no one has the right to do that, no, not even the NSA. The honor system used to respect BGP updates is hilarious, and one of the many flaws of the Internet. But the US has given up most of its policing rights. Let the games begin. Oh, wait, they've been underway for a decade.
Enough hand-wringing. Your contention is simply fear-mongering. The BS of ecosystem betrays your sense of fragility, and not the reality of the situation.
There would be a disruption. Alibaba and more would rapidly crater. Supply chains would be broken. Apple might have a bad quarter. Poor Apple.
On the ground in the USA, some farmers would be selling bacon and soybeans really inexpensively. Other markets would be found. The ASEAN currencies would go like rollercoasters as new supply chains are made. The price of oil would drop. Boo Hoo.
But we might need more anti-anxiety medications for folks like you. Oh, right, India would be right up to bat. Auto parts would come from Bangalore and Lahore, perhaps Penang. Yeah, garlic would be tough.... for a while.