Hi. I don't think we've met. My name is fact. You can use me in your arguments and it will make them stronger. You can use me in daily life and it will make people listen to you. Oh and don't use that other guy over there called "falsehood". He's full of shit!
Please point out to me where wiretapping is in the Constitution. In fact the word "Privacy" is also NOT in there. Should it be? Probably but it is NOT.
Yes the US Government would throw me in jail if they actually found out what I was doing or let's say if the Russians contacted them to inform them of what was going on.
RTFA! The Chinese actually block communication involving certain words. That is censorship. The mind control portion flows with the censorship because the the Chinese people don't know about something they can't think about it.
I never said what the NSA did was right. I just said it's not the same. Secondly COINTELPRO targeted organizations such as the Klu Klux Klan and the Weatherman. Both of those organization were actually terrorist. Did the program get misused? Yes it did and I don't defend that. But don't throw out blanket statements about history and expect me to swallow it when it's not completely factual. I agree oversight is needed. I agree with all that. However I think there is a difference from making speeches and promoting causes as compared to leading violent uprisings and committing crimes. We live in a democracy. If you don't like how the Government is then VOTE.
I can't believe the vast array of people on Slashdot who so wholeheartedly think their Government is perfectly evil. I understand being critical and I think that's useful but to say that "The day is coming when the US will suppress your free speech" is totally asinine. No that day is not soon approaching. The constitution specifically forbids it. This is contrasted with China where THEY ARE ACTUALLY CENSORING PEOPLE. That IS a difference in PRINCIPLE!
I understand that those Russians have no morals and all but you would think someone would be able to pressure them just a little. Maybe a nice embargo against them? Nah, that won't work. They hold too much shit over Europe's head. Nukes, Oil, and anything else they can think of. Those slimy bastards.
I didn't say I always trusted the government's motives. I also didn't say it was right. I just said it wasn't the same as what the Chinese are doing. Also some protesters at the RNC did have plans to disrupt the convention so that was well founded. Lastly I agree the Patriot act should not be misused. It probably needs to be rewritten to prevent misuse.
No you don't get it. Why did I know a bunch of people would jump on with these false analogies. These people wrote the software with no express legitimate use. They wrote it to cause and enable fraud. Plus they are getting rich from doing it. It's one thing to be a black hat. It's another to be a completely immoral group of jackasses who profit by making sure the spam is flowing like it should be.
I pick locks. But picking locks has a legitimate use. What these guys are doing is the same as if a lock-picking company advertised something like the following:
Need to break into more Houses so you can steal more stuff in less time? Want an easier way? Use our new automatic picking gun!
Well two things. First is I think Captcha should be a service so one company can do all the work once and everyone can take advantage of it. Second of all I said about a billion variations would work.
Comparing the Chinese program to the program by the NSA is completely disingenuous. They have they only similarity that they involve surveillance. That is where the similarities stop.
The NSA program was designed to listen in on US citizens talking to people on a known terrorist list. One part of the conversation was always international and one part was domestic. Telephone conversations are two ways and you kind of need to here both side to know what is going on. Now was this illegal? Maybe. Should it have happened? That's up in the air. The program was supposedly done to protect the US Citizens from another terrorist attack.
Compare and contrast this with the Chinese Program. This program exists to control the thoughts of the Chinese people. It censors them and prevents the flow of information. Then it reports on them simply because they are talking about things which in the United States are completely legal to talk about but in China are completely illegal to talk about. China has no freedom of speech. Their every move is watched to control them online. They aren't trying to track terrorists here. They are trying to play mind control. They are trying to censor the publics thoughts.
So let me get this straight. They right image (and logic) recognition software with the express written purpose of breaking captchas and then they are magically surprised when it is used to break captchas?
With that kind of reasoning I can write software to break in the DMV system for California and gain access to all kinds of information. Now I won't USE this software. Instead I'll sell it.
It's one thing if software is written for a purpose and it gets misused. It is another entirely if the software is developed to defraud people and organizations by breaking turing tests.
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Actually Vista with 4 Gigs of RAM boots pretty quickly. It's once it's up that it is slow.
Finally! Then we can all go back to sharing music like we were intended to in the first place.
Are you selling it? Are you marketing it to spammers?
Hi. I don't think we've met. My name is fact. You can use me in your arguments and it will make them stronger. You can use me in daily life and it will make people listen to you. Oh and don't use that other guy over there called "falsehood". He's full of shit!
Please point out to me where wiretapping is in the Constitution. In fact the word "Privacy" is also NOT in there. Should it be? Probably but it is NOT.
Yes the US Government would throw me in jail if they actually found out what I was doing or let's say if the Russians contacted them to inform them of what was going on.
I'm not being obtuse. I brought it up because the Chinese program DOES censor people.
http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/lets-compare-dnc-protests-vs-rnc-protests/
http://donklephant.com/2008/09/01/violent-protests-disrupt-rnc/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4660503.ece
RTFA! The Chinese actually block communication involving certain words. That is censorship. The mind control portion flows with the censorship because the the Chinese people don't know about something they can't think about it.
I never said what the NSA did was right. I just said it's not the same. Secondly COINTELPRO targeted organizations such as the Klu Klux Klan and the Weatherman. Both of those organization were actually terrorist. Did the program get misused? Yes it did and I don't defend that. But don't throw out blanket statements about history and expect me to swallow it when it's not completely factual. I agree oversight is needed. I agree with all that. However I think there is a difference from making speeches and promoting causes as compared to leading violent uprisings and committing crimes. We live in a democracy. If you don't like how the Government is then VOTE.
I can't believe the vast array of people on Slashdot who so wholeheartedly think their Government is perfectly evil. I understand being critical and I think that's useful but to say that "The day is coming when the US will suppress your free speech" is totally asinine. No that day is not soon approaching. The constitution specifically forbids it. This is contrasted with China where THEY ARE ACTUALLY CENSORING PEOPLE. That IS a difference in PRINCIPLE!
How are they both censorship? Please explain that magical leap in logic to me. I'd like to know.
Yikes. Logic escapes some people. My main point is they didn't censor anybody.
I understand that those Russians have no morals and all but you would think someone would be able to pressure them just a little. Maybe a nice embargo against them? Nah, that won't work. They hold too much shit over Europe's head. Nukes, Oil, and anything else they can think of. Those slimy bastards.
Did the NSA cut off phone calls or otherwise censor people?
http://www.southord.com/catalog.asp?cat=electric
Wait... what are you going to use this for?
According to you death is preferential to life. Well I say that is wrong. I choose life!
Uhm, I asked 4 questions. I think your percentage is off a little.
I didn't say I always trusted the government's motives. I also didn't say it was right. I just said it wasn't the same as what the Chinese are doing. Also some protesters at the RNC did have plans to disrupt the convention so that was well founded. Lastly I agree the Patriot act should not be misused. It probably needs to be rewritten to prevent misuse.
No you don't get it. Why did I know a bunch of people would jump on with these false analogies. These people wrote the software with no express legitimate use. They wrote it to cause and enable fraud. Plus they are getting rich from doing it. It's one thing to be a black hat. It's another to be a completely immoral group of jackasses who profit by making sure the spam is flowing like it should be.
I pick locks. But picking locks has a legitimate use. What these guys are doing is the same as if a lock-picking company advertised something like the following:
Need to break into more Houses so you can steal more stuff in less time? Want an easier way? Use our new automatic picking gun!
That would be a typo. I think way faster then I can reliably type.
Well two things. First is I think Captcha should be a service so one company can do all the work once and everyone can take advantage of it. Second of all I said about a billion variations would work.
Comparing the Chinese program to the program by the NSA is completely disingenuous. They have they only similarity that they involve surveillance. That is where the similarities stop.
The NSA program was designed to listen in on US citizens talking to people on a known terrorist list. One part of the conversation was always international and one part was domestic. Telephone conversations are two ways and you kind of need to here both side to know what is going on. Now was this illegal? Maybe. Should it have happened? That's up in the air. The program was supposedly done to protect the US Citizens from another terrorist attack.
Compare and contrast this with the Chinese Program. This program exists to control the thoughts of the Chinese people. It censors them and prevents the flow of information. Then it reports on them simply because they are talking about things which in the United States are completely legal to talk about but in China are completely illegal to talk about. China has no freedom of speech. Their every move is watched to control them online. They aren't trying to track terrorists here. They are trying to play mind control. They are trying to censor the publics thoughts.
I probably did mean amok but a muck works too. It means to meddle or interfere when used as a verb.
Replace the Text for Paris Hilton with her photo. Then ask. The point is it combines images with logic and with enough variations it would work.
So let me get this straight. They right image (and logic) recognition software with the express written purpose of breaking captchas and then they are magically surprised when it is used to break captchas?
With that kind of reasoning I can write software to break in the DMV system for California and gain access to all kinds of information. Now I won't USE this software. Instead I'll sell it.
It's one thing if software is written for a purpose and it gets misused. It is another entirely if the software is developed to defraud people and organizations by breaking turing tests.