Granted I've been begging the question a lot these days. However a Fact is a Fact whether it is evidenced or not. A Fact is a Fact because it is true not because I jump through some magical hoop you wave over your head while lighting on fire. Look it up. Closed Shops exist in the US and there is no recourse for where Union dues go when it's just a minority that disagrees.
Wow, what spin. First of all I have CBS but whatever. You go off the deep end when you start in on the 4th amendment crap. Do you know what it says? "Unreasonable Search And Seizure". Really the point of it is debatable. At the time if someone searched you it would interrupt your life. It doesn't say you can't be spied on. I'm not advocating some Big Brother spy program on all the US citizens. But please don't come with this breaking the 4th crap when you know full well those calls were between SUSPECTED TERRORISTS OUTSIDE THE US and US citizens.
64% of the population IS brainwashed. By marketing, by news, by culture. If you can't see that then you are the one who needs help.
I did post facts. You conveniently ignored them. My fact that speaks for itself is that the law does not allow people who are forced to join Unions which collect dues to then veto where that money goes. It SHOULD BE ILLEGAL for it to go anywhere except directly to the negotiators who argue on their behalf and for their benefit.
Wow, how much is the AFL-CIO paying you? You just spout out lies and pass it off as truth. There was a huge movement in California to make it a law that Unions could not force Union dues to be paid to political parties. It didn't pass. Do you know why? Because California is a blue state and Unions have the Democrats on their payroll. People actually think it's a good idea to force people to join an organization which then collects money and gives it to the political party they happen to support. If extortion doesn't cover what I just outlined above then I'm at a loss for words. Wake up! It's not just peaceable assembly blah blah blah. You can tack up your straw-man argument all you want but the cold hard truth is that the person who doesn't want their Union dues going to political parties has no method of recourse in today's society and that is just plain wrong both morally and ethically!
Stop talking around in circles. You misquoted me as I clearly stated that a Union is the actual people who are employees and that these organizations are not Unions but extortionists. I then later said a Union might be of value but obviously I was talking about the workers not the organizations that extort money and pay it in bribes to politicians. You can talk in circles all you want but I know what I meant so you are not going to confuse me. Calling me a bigot really doesn't advance your cause at all.
You don't get it. The point is not that these people might get a benefit from a Union. The point is should they have to PAY and organization to run it to get that same benefit? I say they should not. In fact I think it should be illegal for employees to be forced to pay for such a thing.
Uh, both of those jobs involve physical risk. Longshoremen and machinists die every year from their jobs. You cannot compare them to tech jobs. Yes the long hours and skills required are at the same level but the risk isn't there.
Exactly! Unions by definition are a group of people who get their power through collective action. In other words it is the WORKERS THEMSELVES who ARE the Union. The organizations today which CALL THEMSELVES UNIONS are actually just extorting money from the workers in return for nothing of value! In addition they then take much of that money and pay it to politicians in what amounts to basically bribes to support their extortion ring.
Exactly. Obama's motto should be this... Change, Taxes we can believe in! Taxes should go down, not up. IN addition I'm a big proponent of getting rid of income tax in favor of a fair tax on goods and services sold.
Whatever AC,
Like I said before, the domestic oil companies are not manipulating the market but OPEC is. Yet Liberals never ever ever take out their anger on OPEC. In fact I think they love them and want to have their love child.
Yes you are right. This article with record response by commenter's doesn't deserve to be discussed. Slashdot should just delete this whole article right now. Sorry to have disturbed your geekyness.
Congress can take actions that DO NOT INCLUDE MAKING NEW LAWS. For instance such action and repeal old laws. Like say the ones preventing drilling offshore and in ANWR and in Colorado etc. etc. etc.
All of your posts are uninformed and have no basis in fact. Yet you get modded up. I have no faith in humanity anymore.
And we should hate the US OIL companies because they set the prices right? They manipulate the market right? WRONG. But you know who does? OPEC does. Duh! Middle-East countries that have us by the purse-strings because we DEPEND ON THEM FOR OIL. Why? Because we don't drill our own now so we can have our own oil until Hydrogen, Solar, and Nuclear are more viable alternatives then they are now.
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Granted I've been begging the question a lot these days. However a Fact is a Fact whether it is evidenced or not. A Fact is a Fact because it is true not because I jump through some magical hoop you wave over your head while lighting on fire. Look it up. Closed Shops exist in the US and there is no recourse for where Union dues go when it's just a minority that disagrees.
Sorry to reply to myself but "I hate CBS" is what I meant to type.
Wow, what spin. First of all I have CBS but whatever. You go off the deep end when you start in on the 4th amendment crap. Do you know what it says? "Unreasonable Search And Seizure". Really the point of it is debatable. At the time if someone searched you it would interrupt your life. It doesn't say you can't be spied on. I'm not advocating some Big Brother spy program on all the US citizens. But please don't come with this breaking the 4th crap when you know full well those calls were between SUSPECTED TERRORISTS OUTSIDE THE US and US citizens.
64% of the population IS brainwashed. By marketing, by news, by culture. If you can't see that then you are the one who needs help.
I did post facts. You conveniently ignored them. My fact that speaks for itself is that the law does not allow people who are forced to join Unions which collect dues to then veto where that money goes. It SHOULD BE ILLEGAL for it to go anywhere except directly to the negotiators who argue on their behalf and for their benefit.
Wow, how much is the AFL-CIO paying you? You just spout out lies and pass it off as truth. There was a huge movement in California to make it a law that Unions could not force Union dues to be paid to political parties. It didn't pass. Do you know why? Because California is a blue state and Unions have the Democrats on their payroll. People actually think it's a good idea to force people to join an organization which then collects money and gives it to the political party they happen to support. If extortion doesn't cover what I just outlined above then I'm at a loss for words. Wake up! It's not just peaceable assembly blah blah blah. You can tack up your straw-man argument all you want but the cold hard truth is that the person who doesn't want their Union dues going to political parties has no method of recourse in today's society and that is just plain wrong both morally and ethically!
Exactly! Nobody should be FORCED to join a Union bound organization in order to gain employment.
Stop talking around in circles. You misquoted me as I clearly stated that a Union is the actual people who are employees and that these organizations are not Unions but extortionists. I then later said a Union might be of value but obviously I was talking about the workers not the organizations that extort money and pay it in bribes to politicians. You can talk in circles all you want but I know what I meant so you are not going to confuse me. Calling me a bigot really doesn't advance your cause at all.
You don't get it. The point is not that these people might get a benefit from a Union. The point is should they have to PAY and organization to run it to get that same benefit? I say they should not. In fact I think it should be illegal for employees to be forced to pay for such a thing.
The best brain washers are the ones who never are seen as brain washers.
Uh, both of those jobs involve physical risk. Longshoremen and machinists die every year from their jobs. You cannot compare them to tech jobs. Yes the long hours and skills required are at the same level but the risk isn't there.
Exactly! Unions by definition are a group of people who get their power through collective action. In other words it is the WORKERS THEMSELVES who ARE the Union. The organizations today which CALL THEMSELVES UNIONS are actually just extorting money from the workers in return for nothing of value! In addition they then take much of that money and pay it to politicians in what amounts to basically bribes to support their extortion ring.
Exactly. Obama's motto should be this... Change, Taxes we can believe in! Taxes should go down, not up. IN addition I'm a big proponent of getting rid of income tax in favor of a fair tax on goods and services sold.
Because YouTube is going to offer hi-res versions of those videos later. That's why they want the big file.
Al Franken is NOT a primary source. A primary source would be like CSPAN or some group actually observing the act take place.
Uhm, you missed the point. I'm a Republican and I'm FOR Drilling! I was pointing out that Democrats arguments don't make any sense.
Whatever AC,
Like I said before, the domestic oil companies are not manipulating the market but OPEC is. Yet Liberals never ever ever take out their anger on OPEC. In fact I think they love them and want to have their love child.
Because they worked for it? Hello?
Intel Sucks.
Yes, it's true. Even the very argument Democrats use to NOT drill is a reason TO DRILL. Oh the Irony!
So now a Democrat stunt is a GOP stunt? Talk about talking around in circles.
Are you just going to post that and everyone takes it as fact or do you have some links to back it up? Plus http://soundpolitics.com/archives/011155.html
Yes you are right. This article with record response by commenter's doesn't deserve to be discussed. Slashdot should just delete this whole article right now. Sorry to have disturbed your geekyness.
Yes but prices would drop IMMEDIATELY. It's simple economics.
Congress can take actions that DO NOT INCLUDE MAKING NEW LAWS. For instance such action and repeal old laws. Like say the ones preventing drilling offshore and in ANWR and in Colorado etc. etc. etc.
All of your posts are uninformed and have no basis in fact. Yet you get modded up. I have no faith in humanity anymore.
And we should hate the US OIL companies because they set the prices right? They manipulate the market right? WRONG. But you know who does? OPEC does. Duh! Middle-East countries that have us by the purse-strings because we DEPEND ON THEM FOR OIL. Why? Because we don't drill our own now so we can have our own oil until Hydrogen, Solar, and Nuclear are more viable alternatives then they are now.