The only part of your statement I disagree with is the use of the term "helping the needy", because these programs are never to help the needy. If they do help the needy, it's usually an unwanted side effect that receives no maintenance or scrutiny. There is always a new bureaucratic position to be created for the explicit purpose of consuming those funds.
Anyone doubting this just needs to look at the "Obama Phone" program, where tax payers are getting shafted, just so people vote for a particular party. Americans are paying hundreds of millions in extra "fees" each year as tax on their services (close to 3.00/month report I read). I have no issue with giving 1 emergency phone to someone in need, but there are 2 huge problems with the current program. 1) No accountability so people are being found with dozen(s) of phones, and 2) The phones and services being handed out don't match up to the funds being taken in as a "Tax".
Oh, and there was a report in the last couple weeks that people with phones are still paying the tax, and people are still being found with dozens of phones from the program.
Especially one designed to make more money for the retailers, and give them more access to consumer data.
Retailers are not making money from this service. In fairness, a retailer does not make more money from a credit card company either. The people making money from these services are in essence middlemen acting as the proverbial money changer and money lender.
That's not to claim retailers get nothing from the arrangement. They don't have to carry cash every day to deposit in the bank, and "skimming" is much less of an issue. For a retailer, it's probably worth the few percent on every transaction to be paid.
Retailers, for the most part don't care about the data aspects either. Sure, the mega stores do.. but.. they tend to creep people out already.
How this works with these secondary services is not the same arrangement, and as you claim "their benefit' is all that's considered. Making the issue more severe it the fact that these newer services lack the protections of the established services.
% dpkg -l | grep sysvinit
ii sysvinit 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64 System-V-like utilities
There is NO systemd installed in Production Debian. (I really hope you are not foolish enough to claim a login library is the same as an init replacement.
The entire Seven Years' War can be attributed to Christians, as all monarchs involved were Christian.
So then by your same logic, everyone Hitler killed was due to him being a member of the occult, or pagan(Wicca), or luciferian, or any of his other whacky beliefs. Since you don't seem to attribute Hitler's genocide to the Wicca (hell, perhaps you do) the argument is purely a bias against Christianity ignoring the root cause. If you do attribute his genocide to the Wicca, I suggest you take this same conversation and replace Christian with Wicca, or Christian with Jewish, or Christian with Muslim, or Christian with Buddhist (I really hope you see the point).
And fine, take the 1.5 million estimated to be killed in the 7 year war and add it to the tally for killing in the name of Religion. You still don't have any factual basis to claim, as GP did, Religion causes harm where a lack of Religion causes no harm. That belief is absolutely contrary to facts.
Providing contradictory evidence to prove someone's belief is wrong is not the same as providing my own belief regarding that specific evidence. Your claim, as written, is absolutely illogical and irrational.
Why would I change or limit facts which clearly demonstrate wrong beliefs? Seriously, that makes absolutely no sense. If you claimed "steel is lighter than water and can float" after seeing a boat, I can't show you the mountain of contrary evidence so that you can clearly see your belief is wrong? Do I withhold displacement and have my contradiction limited to only surface tension, or can I also bring in displacement so that I squash your wrong belief? I don't have to provide my own theories of why steal could float, I am merely showing you that your belief is wrong.
I agree fully that 888 bytes is enough to cause someone damage via identity theft. The problem with this phase of trying to "test" the security of these devices is that there is very little to interface with, which is going to create a false sense of security (I'll argue this is part of the reason for the early advertising and testing)
888 bytes is enough to hold your gender, religion, ethnic background, political affiliation, and at least your last few coordinates. Lots of stuff to discriminate, or tamper with to make it appear that you were in places not visited. Not a huge concern in the US currently (at least with most of that kind of data), but how about the Middle East, or China, or pick a country in Africa. The landscape can change very drastically depending on where you are, let alone who gets into power.
Did Facebook and Google teach the masses nothing in terms of "bad things that can happen with technology?" Probably not, because you know.. even if you could read/write fast enough to heat this gadget up and burn the carrier's arm you probably won't hear about it on the "News".
The answer backs my original point, while they may be a backport to Debian 7 it's not actually live in a production release of Debian. So tell me, do you also claim that Redhat has everything in the latest Fedora release? That is the equivalent, and it's extremely dishonest.
No, I am pointing out that people frequently use an appeal to authority to dissuade people from investigating competing opinions. Politics, Theology, Philosophy, and ethics are subjects without pure answers. Pi = 4* atan(1) every single time, but why a "new cabinet" position opens up, or "why data gets classified" have no simple answers. Let alone something as abstract as "does god exist?" which can only be discussed with logic..
You specifically omitted that part of the post which deals with this topic. Intentional or otherwise, it implies that to _you_, an appeal to authority argument is fine and everyone should play along.
In fact if you read the comments to the blog post, you will see this exact dialogue play out and find that the author is against these appeal to authority dismissals of debate. Commenting on that dialogue would further hurt your position on the appeal to authority position.
Your logic remains absolutely horrid. A boot script with an infinite loop is the problem of init? I could not write an infinite loop script and dump it into systemd legacy run and hang a system just as easily? Trolls like you with streams of ad hominem and lies yelling "convert!" should give people the chills. Start auditing that source code for security bugs ASAP! Cui Bono, and all that.
I asked you what Debian you were using that has these two programs since it's not in 5-7 (even the unstable branch) and you point me to a repo page. Thanks for backing my point about false claims.
My argument was not that Christians do not kill, or do not do wring things, go back and read the point of my post. In fact it was not that atheism caused more death (read my original post). My argument, as paraphrased in my last post was The point was, that Religion has nothing to do with the majority of wars, and just as little to do with mass killings and genocide. In fact the numbers show the opposite trend, so its completely irrational to claim that "religion kills" because facts do not back that statement.
The last bit was and is not to blame atheism for mass killing, but to emphasize how broken GP's claim of religion leading to violence is.
As to the 7 year war, the only part that could be attributed to Christians is Austria. Even that portion is easily as attributable to Economic influence and Conquest.
Within the confines of Slashdot and a reasonable time frame? No. In general terms, sure. Read all of his works, and what we have in correspondence with associates. Pascal was not an atheist, nor was he a devout Catholic.
To the first part, I frequently reverse my arguments to ensure I'm not behaving as a zealot. Which quite frankly I wish the zealots in various religions and atheism would to. That said, if I can't come to "no creator" as a base conclusion evaluating anything past that is idiocy and useless. Example, if you know that Pi = 4*atan(1) why would you even attempt to calculate the area of a circle with Pi=3? You wouldn't, and the answer would make no sense to a person looking at your work with an understanding of Pi. You may be able to get an estimate, but the answers are all wrong. Maybe with one circle the estimate is good enough, but go out to a million circles and you have a massive amount of error. The amount of error on an infinite Universe is.. well, infinite as well.
To the second part, this is by observing the Universe. I am surely making assumptions, but they are rationally based. If there is a creator and it was malicious and destructive we would not be here, the Universe would not continue to expand and grow, the earth would have been hit by a comet and all life destroyed, etc.. etc... While surely we can see that violence leads to new things (exploding stars create heavy elements, etc...) that violence is not the end of something, and the majority of that particles time is not spent in violence.
Wow, you spread FUD and then blame the other guys for spreading FUD, not a new tactic. Lets not just shed the analogy and weasel words, but drop the obvious and blatant lies as well.
People paid attention to beta and sent tons of feedback. The feedback was ignored, and even though Slashdot Beta lacked critical features it was rolled out "live" regardless of user concerns.
People paid attention to systemd also, and have concerns. Ignoring them or claiming "get with the times" as is most often stated with systemd does not fix the broken issues.
Beta was a change nobody asked for or wanted. People have been asking for better moderation for quite a while, better ability to search, but nobody wanted a new fangled GUI that lacked features. They wanted tweaking to a system that has been pretty stable for well over a decade. Slashdot was not broken, it did not need to be replaced.
Similarly, systemd is a change that nobody really asked for. At least nobody I know that manages many thousands of servers, and I have been in the business for 30 years and have lots of contacts. Init was not broken, it worked just fine for many decades. If you can't write a boot script that can calculate dependencies that's not a deficiency with init, that is your deficiency with scripting. Tweaking to init happened with additions like chkconfig and update-rc which took the manual linking out of the process with a couple extra comments in your boot scripts. If you don't understand an inittab file, read the man page, everything is there.
I see people in this post claiming to be coders managing 30000 servers who want systemd, and lots and lots of other obvious dishonesty about why systemd is good. I don't see that same level of dishonesty by the people against the transition. So who exactly is spreading FUD?
You really should have tried to read and comprehend my whole paragraph (it was not long or detailed). The vote in February means shit since they are voting again. You also, interestingly, ignored my point that Debian last year voted to go with Upstart which never materialized (obviously).
You don't like *nix logging compared to what, Windows? Claiming the only reason to know regex is for parsing syslog data is idiocy as well. Claiming syslog is unstructured is pure bullshit, any idiot that has ever looked at a syslog entry should be able to figure out the structure of data and not knowing what a log facility is your own ignorance which should take a whole 5 minutes of reading to cure.
The first thing I do on any system is install some kind of log manager that makes sense of the damn thing so I don't need to spend some 10 years in the system administrators training basement just to learn how to find a damn line of interest in a seemingly endless text file.
You mean you can't read without spending 10 years in some basement, so you pay for Splunk which paints you pretty pictures of the data and saves you from that hard stuff like.. reading.
* Pardon the vitriol, but the amount of sheer idiocy in this thread has exceeded irritating proportions.
Well good news, this is the default, at least on Debian. In fact Debian doesn't even store journalctl logs, it fowards then straight through to rsyslog.
Really now? What Debian are you running with systemd and journald? We run thousands of machines on Debian 5-7 and I have yet to use either, see either, or configure either. I have init, and I have a choice of rsyslog or syslog-ng, that's it.
Reading this whole post, I see a whole lot of people fabricating information trying to claim that anyone not for systemd is some type of [ad hominem], I see lots of appeal to authority arguments for systemd, I don't see much honesty when it comes to systemd which is very troublesome.
I have another post on this, because last week there was an article linked here that said Debian was _not_ going with systemd. Their site is not very helpful, and I can find as much on them voting in Upstart as I can on voting in systemd. The article I linked (same TFA different post) elsewhere has some notes you may want to read.
As for the unix philosophy, init systems pre-systemd hardly did just one thing and hardly did it well.
Every time I see stuff like this I simply laugh. Having worked with *nix for over 30 years I have never had init "not work well" or "not work" as people try and claim. This is 30 years, with at least 8 brands of *nix, and more servers than I can count any longer (ranging from 1CPU to 128CPU E10K/F15K, so my opinion is not based on limited experience).
Systemd is not going to be any better, than Sun's SMF. SMF added nothing over init, except for some sales guy got to tell everyone how great it was. Maybe systemd is going to be worse though... at least SMF was script hackable as long as you could parse and edit XML, and that is not really possible with systemd (last I checked). And in that net zero gain, what did all of the Sun customers get? Lots and lots of costs to develop new scripts and new monitoring tools because SMF was different (not because monitoring was broken). Meanwhile anything that was important stayed out of SMF and went to legacy mode "init" scripts anyway since we could be extremely granular and detailed in a startup
Last I heard, Debian was not going with systemd. There was a link and discussion here last week which I believe was this article. Conflicting information abounds on this. Last year there was a vote to go with Upstart, but that never happened. Allegedly a decision should be out by the 30th, but even if it's decided it may not materialize just like Upstart. I'm sure people are watching the reaction to Redhat/CentOS before making a move.
Works just fine for me, I'm not sure what you are trying to claim with "my" logs being binary. Are you trying to claim that *nix has a built in log aggregation program like Splunk that's turned on by default? Hrm, I use wireshark to read my pcap files, not my syslog files. I use Splunk and Sumologic for aggregated logs, but standard syslogs are used more often and are plain text format.
Debian already stated that they would not go with systemd, and I am very happy about that decision. Even though the article seems to imply otherwise by lumping Debian into Redhat and Ubuntu. I do think it's cool that all of the arguments I have presented here are exactly what the author states as the problem. I also hope the decision by Redhat backfires and they finally figure out who pays them, since they seem to consistently pander to a very vocal subset of desktop users (dropped Redhat support 3 years ago and it has turned out to be a great decision, except I miss Kickstart because FAI is a huge pain in comparison).
There are numerous programs for desktops that you don't want on a server. Gnome/KDE take up precious disk space that can be used better otherwise, numerous programs and services have security concerns, so the best answer is only load what you need. Booting graphics requires extra hardware probing, all the gadgets polling networks, all of the desktop wiz bangs downloading content and goodies, etc.. Great for your desktop, but not on a server that hosts 400 web sites. I need real time logging to a central server, not local binary logs that have to be translated and transported with a new format (good luck if networking does not start, because we just lost some audit trail). When MySQL does not start on a production server, you need to figure out why as quickly as possible and fix it. Not have some application sitting in the background chain starting a broken application and causing extra work and precious time while monitoring spins trying to figure out if the DB is really up or really down. Yeah, I know.. rewrite all the monitoring applications fixes the problem.. but I should not have to do this.
I'll be watching this one close, wondering if Redhat will have to come out with a fancy option to support systemd with an option for init. The market and time will tell, or of course Redhat could try and fix everything in systemd that's lacking. They have done that before.
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The only part of your statement I disagree with is the use of the term "helping the needy", because these programs are never to help the needy. If they do help the needy, it's usually an unwanted side effect that receives no maintenance or scrutiny. There is always a new bureaucratic position to be created for the explicit purpose of consuming those funds.
Anyone doubting this just needs to look at the "Obama Phone" program, where tax payers are getting shafted, just so people vote for a particular party. Americans are paying hundreds of millions in extra "fees" each year as tax on their services (close to 3.00/month report I read). I have no issue with giving 1 emergency phone to someone in need, but there are 2 huge problems with the current program. 1) No accountability so people are being found with dozen(s) of phones, and 2) The phones and services being handed out don't match up to the funds being taken in as a "Tax".
Oh, and there was a report in the last couple weeks that people with phones are still paying the tax, and people are still being found with dozens of phones from the program.
Solution: Nuke em. Now where are my mod points and donuts? (You didn't claim it needed to be "good" solution.)
Not losing money is not the same thing as making money.
Especially one designed to make more money for the retailers, and give them more access to consumer data.
Retailers are not making money from this service. In fairness, a retailer does not make more money from a credit card company either. The people making money from these services are in essence middlemen acting as the proverbial money changer and money lender.
That's not to claim retailers get nothing from the arrangement. They don't have to carry cash every day to deposit in the bank, and "skimming" is much less of an issue. For a retailer, it's probably worth the few percent on every transaction to be paid.
Retailers, for the most part don't care about the data aspects either. Sure, the mega stores do.. but.. they tend to creep people out already.
How this works with these secondary services is not the same arrangement, and as you claim "their benefit' is all that's considered. Making the issue more severe it the fact that these newer services lack the protections of the established services.
Lie! This is a default Debian (7.3)install, and I can replicate this same command set on Debian through current stable.
% cat /etc/debian_version
7.3
% dpkg -l | grep systemd
ii libsystemd-login0:amd64 44-11+deb7u4 amd64 systemd login utility library
% dpkg -l | grep sysvinit
ii sysvinit 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64 System-V-like utilities
There is NO systemd installed in Production Debian. (I really hope you are not foolish enough to claim a login library is the same as an init replacement.
The entire Seven Years' War can be attributed to Christians, as all monarchs involved were Christian.
So then by your same logic, everyone Hitler killed was due to him being a member of the occult, or pagan(Wicca), or luciferian, or any of his other whacky beliefs. Since you don't seem to attribute Hitler's genocide to the Wicca (hell, perhaps you do) the argument is purely a bias against Christianity ignoring the root cause. If you do attribute his genocide to the Wicca, I suggest you take this same conversation and replace Christian with Wicca, or Christian with Jewish, or Christian with Muslim, or Christian with Buddhist (I really hope you see the point).
And fine, take the 1.5 million estimated to be killed in the 7 year war and add it to the tally for killing in the name of Religion. You still don't have any factual basis to claim, as GP did, Religion causes harm where a lack of Religion causes no harm. That belief is absolutely contrary to facts.
Providing contradictory evidence to prove someone's belief is wrong is not the same as providing my own belief regarding that specific evidence. Your claim, as written, is absolutely illogical and irrational.
Why would I change or limit facts which clearly demonstrate wrong beliefs? Seriously, that makes absolutely no sense. If you claimed "steel is lighter than water and can float" after seeing a boat, I can't show you the mountain of contrary evidence so that you can clearly see your belief is wrong? Do I withhold displacement and have my contradiction limited to only surface tension, or can I also bring in displacement so that I squash your wrong belief? I don't have to provide my own theories of why steal could float, I am merely showing you that your belief is wrong.
I agree fully that 888 bytes is enough to cause someone damage via identity theft. The problem with this phase of trying to "test" the security of these devices is that there is very little to interface with, which is going to create a false sense of security (I'll argue this is part of the reason for the early advertising and testing)
888 bytes is enough to hold your gender, religion, ethnic background, political affiliation, and at least your last few coordinates. Lots of stuff to discriminate, or tamper with to make it appear that you were in places not visited. Not a huge concern in the US currently (at least with most of that kind of data), but how about the Middle East, or China, or pick a country in Africa. The landscape can change very drastically depending on where you are, let alone who gets into power.
Did Facebook and Google teach the masses nothing in terms of "bad things that can happen with technology?" Probably not, because you know.. even if you could read/write fast enough to heat this gadget up and burn the carrier's arm you probably won't hear about it on the "News".
Adolf? Is that you? Come on now, stop the with the clowning and show yourself.
The answer backs my original point, while they may be a backport to Debian 7 it's not actually live in a production release of Debian. So tell me, do you also claim that Redhat has everything in the latest Fedora release? That is the equivalent, and it's extremely dishonest.
No, I am pointing out that people frequently use an appeal to authority to dissuade people from investigating competing opinions. Politics, Theology, Philosophy, and ethics are subjects without pure answers. Pi = 4* atan(1) every single time, but why a "new cabinet" position opens up, or "why data gets classified" have no simple answers. Let alone something as abstract as "does god exist?" which can only be discussed with logic..
You specifically omitted that part of the post which deals with this topic. Intentional or otherwise, it implies that to _you_, an appeal to authority argument is fine and everyone should play along.
In fact if you read the comments to the blog post, you will see this exact dialogue play out and find that the author is against these appeal to authority dismissals of debate. Commenting on that dialogue would further hurt your position on the appeal to authority position.
Your logic remains absolutely horrid. A boot script with an infinite loop is the problem of init? I could not write an infinite loop script and dump it into systemd legacy run and hang a system just as easily? Trolls like you with streams of ad hominem and lies yelling "convert!" should give people the chills. Start auditing that source code for security bugs ASAP! Cui Bono, and all that.
I asked you what Debian you were using that has these two programs since it's not in 5-7 (even the unstable branch) and you point me to a repo page. Thanks for backing my point about false claims.
My argument was not that Christians do not kill, or do not do wring things, go back and read the point of my post. In fact it was not that atheism caused more death (read my original post). My argument, as paraphrased in my last post was The point was, that Religion has nothing to do with the majority of wars, and just as little to do with mass killings and genocide. In fact the numbers show the opposite trend, so its completely irrational to claim that "religion kills" because facts do not back that statement.
The last bit was and is not to blame atheism for mass killing, but to emphasize how broken GP's claim of religion leading to violence is.
As to the 7 year war, the only part that could be attributed to Christians is Austria. Even that portion is easily as attributable to Economic influence and Conquest.
Within the confines of Slashdot and a reasonable time frame? No. In general terms, sure. Read all of his works, and what we have in correspondence with associates. Pascal was not an atheist, nor was he a devout Catholic.
To the first part, I frequently reverse my arguments to ensure I'm not behaving as a zealot. Which quite frankly I wish the zealots in various religions and atheism would to. That said, if I can't come to "no creator" as a base conclusion evaluating anything past that is idiocy and useless. Example, if you know that Pi = 4*atan(1) why would you even attempt to calculate the area of a circle with Pi=3? You wouldn't, and the answer would make no sense to a person looking at your work with an understanding of Pi. You may be able to get an estimate, but the answers are all wrong. Maybe with one circle the estimate is good enough, but go out to a million circles and you have a massive amount of error. The amount of error on an infinite Universe is.. well, infinite as well.
To the second part, this is by observing the Universe. I am surely making assumptions, but they are rationally based. If there is a creator and it was malicious and destructive we would not be here, the Universe would not continue to expand and grow, the earth would have been hit by a comet and all life destroyed, etc.. etc... While surely we can see that violence leads to new things (exploding stars create heavy elements, etc...) that violence is not the end of something, and the majority of that particles time is not spent in violence.
Wow, you spread FUD and then blame the other guys for spreading FUD, not a new tactic. Lets not just shed the analogy and weasel words, but drop the obvious and blatant lies as well.
People paid attention to beta and sent tons of feedback. The feedback was ignored, and even though Slashdot Beta lacked critical features it was rolled out "live" regardless of user concerns.
People paid attention to systemd also, and have concerns. Ignoring them or claiming "get with the times" as is most often stated with systemd does not fix the broken issues.
Beta was a change nobody asked for or wanted. People have been asking for better moderation for quite a while, better ability to search, but nobody wanted a new fangled GUI that lacked features. They wanted tweaking to a system that has been pretty stable for well over a decade. Slashdot was not broken, it did not need to be replaced.
Similarly, systemd is a change that nobody really asked for. At least nobody I know that manages many thousands of servers, and I have been in the business for 30 years and have lots of contacts. Init was not broken, it worked just fine for many decades. If you can't write a boot script that can calculate dependencies that's not a deficiency with init, that is your deficiency with scripting. Tweaking to init happened with additions like chkconfig and update-rc which took the manual linking out of the process with a couple extra comments in your boot scripts. If you don't understand an inittab file, read the man page, everything is there.
I see people in this post claiming to be coders managing 30000 servers who want systemd, and lots and lots of other obvious dishonesty about why systemd is good. I don't see that same level of dishonesty by the people against the transition. So who exactly is spreading FUD?
You really should have tried to read and comprehend my whole paragraph (it was not long or detailed). The vote in February means shit since they are voting again. You also, interestingly, ignored my point that Debian last year voted to go with Upstart which never materialized (obviously).
You don't like *nix logging compared to what, Windows? Claiming the only reason to know regex is for parsing syslog data is idiocy as well. Claiming syslog is unstructured is pure bullshit, any idiot that has ever looked at a syslog entry should be able to figure out the structure of data and not knowing what a log facility is your own ignorance which should take a whole 5 minutes of reading to cure.
The first thing I do on any system is install some kind of log manager that makes sense of the damn thing so I don't need to spend some 10 years in the system administrators training basement just to learn how to find a damn line of interest in a seemingly endless text file.
You mean you can't read without spending 10 years in some basement, so you pay for Splunk which paints you pretty pictures of the data and saves you from that hard stuff like.. reading.
* Pardon the vitriol, but the amount of sheer idiocy in this thread has exceeded irritating proportions.
Well good news, this is the default, at least on Debian. In fact Debian doesn't even store journalctl logs, it fowards then straight through to rsyslog.
Really now? What Debian are you running with systemd and journald? We run thousands of machines on Debian 5-7 and I have yet to use either, see either, or configure either. I have init, and I have a choice of rsyslog or syslog-ng, that's it.
Reading this whole post, I see a whole lot of people fabricating information trying to claim that anyone not for systemd is some type of [ad hominem], I see lots of appeal to authority arguments for systemd, I don't see much honesty when it comes to systemd which is very troublesome.
Nice detective work!!
I have another post on this, because last week there was an article linked here that said Debian was _not_ going with systemd. Their site is not very helpful, and I can find as much on them voting in Upstart as I can on voting in systemd. The article I linked (same TFA different post) elsewhere has some notes you may want to read.
As for the unix philosophy, init systems pre-systemd hardly did just one thing and hardly did it well.
Every time I see stuff like this I simply laugh. Having worked with *nix for over 30 years I have never had init "not work well" or "not work" as people try and claim. This is 30 years, with at least 8 brands of *nix, and more servers than I can count any longer (ranging from 1CPU to 128CPU E10K/F15K, so my opinion is not based on limited experience).
Systemd is not going to be any better, than Sun's SMF. SMF added nothing over init, except for some sales guy got to tell everyone how great it was. Maybe systemd is going to be worse though... at least SMF was script hackable as long as you could parse and edit XML, and that is not really possible with systemd (last I checked). And in that net zero gain, what did all of the Sun customers get? Lots and lots of costs to develop new scripts and new monitoring tools because SMF was different (not because monitoring was broken). Meanwhile anything that was important stayed out of SMF and went to legacy mode "init" scripts anyway since we could be extremely granular and detailed in a startup
Last I heard, Debian was not going with systemd. There was a link and discussion here last week which I believe was this article. Conflicting information abounds on this. Last year there was a vote to go with Upstart, but that never happened. Allegedly a decision should be out by the 30th, but even if it's decided it may not materialize just like Upstart. I'm sure people are watching the reaction to Redhat/CentOS before making a move.
Works just fine for me, I'm not sure what you are trying to claim with "my" logs being binary. Are you trying to claim that *nix has a built in log aggregation program like Splunk that's turned on by default? Hrm, I use wireshark to read my pcap files, not my syslog files. I use Splunk and Sumologic for aggregated logs, but standard syslogs are used more often and are plain text format.
Debian already stated that they would not go with systemd, and I am very happy about that decision. Even though the article seems to imply otherwise by lumping Debian into Redhat and Ubuntu. I do think it's cool that all of the arguments I have presented here are exactly what the author states as the problem. I also hope the decision by Redhat backfires and they finally figure out who pays them, since they seem to consistently pander to a very vocal subset of desktop users (dropped Redhat support 3 years ago and it has turned out to be a great decision, except I miss Kickstart because FAI is a huge pain in comparison).
There are numerous programs for desktops that you don't want on a server. Gnome/KDE take up precious disk space that can be used better otherwise, numerous programs and services have security concerns, so the best answer is only load what you need. Booting graphics requires extra hardware probing, all the gadgets polling networks, all of the desktop wiz bangs downloading content and goodies, etc.. Great for your desktop, but not on a server that hosts 400 web sites. I need real time logging to a central server, not local binary logs that have to be translated and transported with a new format (good luck if networking does not start, because we just lost some audit trail). When MySQL does not start on a production server, you need to figure out why as quickly as possible and fix it. Not have some application sitting in the background chain starting a broken application and causing extra work and precious time while monitoring spins trying to figure out if the DB is really up or really down. Yeah, I know.. rewrite all the monitoring applications fixes the problem.. but I should not have to do this.
I'll be watching this one close, wondering if Redhat will have to come out with a fancy option to support systemd with an option for init. The market and time will tell, or of course Redhat could try and fix everything in systemd that's lacking. They have done that before.