If you were really from the city you would not claim "I'm from the city" but would claim "I'm from Hamtramk" or "I'm from Dearborn". What you wrote instead equates to completely false claims.
Nope, it's not just about the 'white' racist white people. I grew up in Ferndale and Madison Heights and have no issues with race. There are certain areas you learn not to visit if you are white, just like black people learn where not to go.
The Detroit area has a lot of bigots and racism, but it's not just white bigots and racists. If you have doubts and are black, go driving around in Livonia. If you are white, cruise around in Centerline. These are just 2 examples, but there are plenty to be found.
You claim to be white and from "the city" but don't actually mention a city which to me indicates that you are just a poser. Driving main roads into the "Joe" or Cobo Hall does not make you "from the city".
Wiki does a horrible job of explaining this fallacy, and only gives one use case and definition. I'd recommend a college Logic book which explains the fallacy very well in numerous ways. My old text book spends a chapter on this one because it's not a simple fallacy.
To your second point, it's not a humor deficiency. People were showing different ways of defining this fallacy. Some of them correct, others not. A fallacy is a logic error, it does not prove true or false. It can surely help to demonstrate the logical errors made in statements, but the reason for calling out fallacies in debate is to reduce an argument to it's simplest terms and invalidate irrational/illogical statements.
Example: "The sky is blue you ass!" may contain an ad hominem and may contain a true statement. I have given no proof as to the color or whether or not you are an "ass". I just presented a fallacy hoping that people believe me.
In Logic we would break that into two statements and choose what's relevant to our debate. If we were trying to determine people's opinion of you, we would keep the later calling sky color a fallacy (it could fit quite a few). If we were debating the color of the sky the former would stay and the later would be called fallacy (most likely ad hominem).
Certification has the same issue as gun licensing, which is not an issue for gun shops as much as it's a concern for being tracked and tagged as a gun owner by the Government.
Make it part of public schools where everyone is a potential gun owner and I'd agree easily.
The common misnomer of the 2nd amendment is that a person owns a gun for self protection. The real purpose of the amendment is so that citizens in mass can revolt against corrupt government. (I don't mean to imply you made this misnomer, just preventing some trolling).
If everyone was a potential gun owner and trained to operate weapons, we are not worse off. Corrupt politicians certainly would not like it, but as far as I'm concerned they should be on trial and/or in jail anyway.
And then there is reality! Having driven from Michigan to Texas numerous times, living in Texas for 4 years I found plenty of Rock, Hip/Hop, Rap, and yes lots of "Country" music stations.
If you switched to AM radio for some dumb ass reason when crossing into a different state that's your own damn fault! I can find Christian stations both AM and FM in Detroit just as easy as search for them down "South". Plenty of music stations no matter where in the country I have been.
Claiming Michigan is some blessed region of non-biased people is laughable. If you are white simply drive anywhere in or near Detroit, Flint or Pontiac with your windows open so people can see you. Hell, the majority of Wayne county is not very safe for "Whitey". If you are black, head to Grosse Pointe and wave at a nice police officer who will beat you bloody for being in the wrong city, before hauling your ass to jail. For that matter, head a few counties out of Detroit and see how you are treated. Mackinac Island is a great place to be if you are black too, no really! Livonia is a self proclaimed "Whitest City in America".
No wonder you post anonymously, it takes a certain kind of coward to make up that much bullshit!
Nope, not especially Oakland. Madison Heights, Royal Oak, Ferndale, bleh! Really it depends on where in Oakland County you are, but don't lump in cities like I just mentioned. Safer than Detroit for sure, but Baghdad is safer than Detroit.
Long long ago the line was 8mile, and today it's around 12 mile to be "good area" which rules out lots of Oakland County cities.
I moved from there 3 years ago and still keep tabs (I have relatives from Detroit out to Flint and Pontiac). GM called me when they started pulling their IT back into Detroit and I laughed at their offer.
You hint at it, but I'll state it plainly. Claiming there is a "Boom" in Detroit is horribly distorting reality. In reality, the numbers went up because IT jobs were brought back from overseas, not because there is some magical "new" businesses. Next year these numbers will show very little change, and the next. Sure, there is some trickle effect but it's not a "boom". It's a one time relocation.
Michigan's tax laws pushed the majority of businesses away long ago. Tax rates are too high for any industrial work to move back, and large commercial companies will avoid Michigan for the same reason. Granholm ran around trying to peddle companies to move in for 1-3 years tax free. Companies would talk to her, but looking at a 20-28% tax when your free time ends is simply too much. Especially when you can cross the border into Ohio and pay 1/2 that rate.
Where I don't agree with you is that the city has been corrupt for 100+ years. Prior to Young the city was on par with any other big city in the US. Young was horribly corrupt and should have been in jail, just like Killpatrick.
Have you read the tax law? Our Tax code should be a few hundred pages at most! The majority of the 74,000 pages we have today are not because the US is so complicated. It's so that certain people get the loopholes that they want and lobby to get. Lobby has become a legal synonym to Bribery today.
Apologies, lying may have been too strong a term. Misleading, dishonest, and distorting would be more accurate. I make that claim based on your statements which I had quoted and what you previously wrote. Such as making an issue of the duration of time he was in Hong Kong and implying he was acting nefariously by "passing through repressive countries" and his itinerary was "circuitous". The last part quoted is an absolute fairy tale, his itinerary was linear and off the cuff after the leaks were made public.
You have an implication in your statements that Snowden was not selective in his initial location when the leaks occurred, or that he chose the location for nefarious reasons. You further imply that he had a desire to be in Russia, and had a choice in the matter after the leaks were made public.
There is no reading things into your post, you wrote similar posts twice. You distorted the timelines and at least implied fabricated motives more than once. You then claimed someone else was ignorant (indirectly and correctly I'll add) which at least implies that you have better facts. In reality your facts were just as distorted as the person you were responding to.
If you did not intend to distort both motives and timelines, correct yourself and move on. I'm good with that. I do get tired of people making up information to base an opinion upon, and touting both both as factual. Because of that I am not always patient in my responses and occasionally am very blunt. As stated, claiming you were lying may have been a bit heavy and I could have chosen different words. You did however write at least one untrue statement, so I'm not completely out of bounds.
You claim someone else needs to read that itinerary, but make an absolutely false claims and ignore your own itinerary. Did you read what you linked to?
He passed through two incredibly repressive countries in his travels, for the most circuitous itinerary ever.
Hong Kong -> Russia is "passing through two incredibly repressive countries? I guess you and I have different definitions of "passing through", and in English we would not say he passed through any of them. He was intentionally in Hong Kong, and had no other choice but to end up in Moscow.
I have no idea why you are fabricating why he was in those locations. Snowden and Greenwald issued statements on this long ago, it does not take some magic itinerary from the BBC to figure out. Read fucking history instead of telling fairy tales! You screaming "FOURTEEN DAYS" is just asinine if you actually used historical data instead of telling lies.
Snowden was in Hong Kong because it was one of few places he felt was a secure location to be located when the leaks were made public. Snowden was not sure how most other Governments would react to the leaks, let alone if any would offer him protection (Including Russia). Snowden only went to Moscow after his passports were cancelled in the US, he was labelled a traitor and felt there was no way he could receive a fair trial, and other asylum options he had hoped for were closed. Investigating asylum options is exactly the reason he remained in Hong Kong for "FOURTEEN DAYS". He landed in Moscow and lived at the airport because he still had not requested asylum in Russia. Snowden only applied for asylum at the point he legally had to do so, or be turned over to the US.
If you remember, the US pressured other governments to illegally force diplomatic aircraft to land so that they could search for Snowden. In other words, even if Venezuela or another South American country offered him asylum he had almost no chance of getting there. Interesting that your magical timeline does not mention those things. Almost as interesting as you fabricating information and telling stories.. almost.
But today's body of law is so great that I'm not sure it's possible for a person to read it all within a single lifetime, let alone piece together all of the cross links and understand everything that applies to you.
2,567 hours just to read the US Federal Tax law, which is 120% of a work year if your full time job was to read that Law. And just think of your joy when you find out next year laws are changed (not amended) and grows at a frightening rate. 26,300 pages in 1984, to 54,846 by 2003, to 67,204 in 2007, and 73,954 today. Reference.
Spending 2 minutes reading Feinstein's Wiki page discounts any possible claim you have of "extraordinary". You could not possibly be claiming that everything I stated was dependent on Feinstein explicitly stating one sentence in one way, because that would be idiocy.
Here are One, two, three references, all of politicians calling for the death of Snowden (and one of those contains 6 references).
I can not find the exact quote from Feinstein either, but this is not uncommon nor does it make my statement wrong. Feinstein called Snowden a traitor, which has a punishment of the death penalty. If Feinstein was not a supporter of the death penalty I may cut some slack. Her Wiki page speaks for her very well.
Feinstein is a supporter of capital punishment.
Even assuming she did not state "kill him" directly, there is a very obvious indirect statement by her calling him a traitor (on numerous occasions).
Also, compare how the main Russian media speak about Putin with how Fox News speaks about Obama.
There is no difference, sorry. Obama is not talked poorly about in US media. Anyone that talks negatively tends to be labelled a racist almost immediately.
In the last week the only things I have heard regarding President Obama in broadcast media are that he talked to Putin about the Ukraine, and that he's coming to town for a yet another fund raiser. I can not possibly watch all 3 major stations all the time (obviously) but do try and rotate stations. It's possible someone did question or talk poorly about him and I didn't watch during that time, but I have severe doubts.
Last I checked, Google is not broken. Start with Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner, then see who's on the boards of every media company in the US. This is really not hard to figure out, if you care to look. If you don't care about the facts at least have the decency not to muddy the waters for people that do.
Do you really think Fox News calls up the White House to ask them how President Obama would like their broadcast today to go?
Are you falsely trying to claim that the only possible way to organize a message is by one person disseminating information? Perhaps you are trying to claim that "Don't talk about Gitmo in a negative way, or ignore Gitmo completely." could not possibly be directed, and the only way to direct a message is revoke individually? Either way, your false assumption is just that. False.
While I see your point I don't fully agree. How different do you believe the US is from Russia?
US media is controlled primarily by 3 people, each work closely with the US government for what to show, when to show it, and how to frame stories. Most people here will tell you that you have to find 3rd party information for real "News" because it does not exist on TV, and has become extremely rare in Print or Radio.
Third party "News" sites are not blocked in Russia, just like they are not blocked here in the US. Russians have access to Youtube, Google, AOL, and hell even Alex Jones can be read in Russia just like you can here.
How the media is controlled is in Russia and the US is surely different. "That" media is controlled is no different. You just don't want to admit how you are just as uninformed as a Russian citizen if you rely on broadcast media for "News" in the US. Before you go down path to poor logic, 80% control versus 90% control is only a difference of scale. No matter where you try to put the scale, freedom only occurs at 0% control.
Quite frankly, we could make the same comparison to other allegedly "Free" countries like Germany and the UK and we would find the same situation. Der Spiegel is to Germans as the BBC is to Brits, just as Fox is to Americans. Reality is a bitch!
BS? Diane Feinstein said "Snowden should be killed", as did at least a dozen other politicians and heads of 3 letter agencies. His trial would have been any different than any other whistle blower trial? Meaning they would be fair and impartial in both verdict and penalties. Was media blocked from broadcasting slander or printing libel statements against him so he had a chance of getting a fair trial? (Claiming a person is guilty and treasonous when the person has never been in court is slander and/or libel, go check a law book).
Those allegations are all based on verifiable facts. Facts are not BS, unless you are delusional. You on the other hand, are handing out an opinion without any factual basis. Your circular logic about him running would be laughable if it was not so pathetic and popular as propaganda.
It loses a bit in the translation but essentially it says "When you're living with wolves, you better learn fast how to howl, lest they might think you're a sheep".
And when you voluntarily move in with those wolves, that's your own damn fault.
This distorts reality quite a bit. Snowden appealed to Russia as a last resort for asylum, it was not his first choice. When he made his appeal his choices were either: 1) Face death (numerous people called for him to die) or life in prison returning to the US. or 2) Attempt to have a life in a different country.
Some freedom is better than no freedom at that point.
Currently it's lost in the US also, but revolutions do happen. It can happen in Russia the same as it could in the US. I believe (or like to believe) that most people prefer a peaceful change as opposed to a violent revolution. At a point however, all people will fight back.
Plato's "The Republic" is an exceptional book for learning human nature and governments. If you can get it in Russia (unedited) start reading and pass out copies to share. Education is how people are woken up to both how to make changes, and more often in recent times viewing the world from a different perspective and determining a change is needed.
Instead of referring to a fiction novel, you could just refer to a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen which is non-fiction and contains thousands of references. I realize that the title contains the word "Conspiracy" and people have been brain washed into believing "conspiracy == false|insane|crazy", but it's an exceptional book that woke many of us up in the 1970s. I don't know about any of the re-released versions, so suggest you start with the first book. You can read the book for free here.
Do you think that the public will be made aware of this study and be exposed to dialogue regarding the study? I find it much more likely that the media will instead continue to attempt to distract US citizens with more celebrity and sports news and other fake "News" designed to distort reality. It is important to remember that the same people running the Oligarchy also own all of the FCC broadcasting licenses, Newspapers, and TV studios.
Yeah, I used to just blame all of the people for being ignorant fools. The more I studied the monopolization of media and 'News' (both broadcast and print) the less I could blame people who are intentionally mislead and given almost zero real information. Don't take that as blaming journalists, because there are still a great many real journalists in the US. They receive no air or print space so people have to hunt for real "News" and "Journalism". The majority don't have the time to do so, mostly because the attack on our way of life and government has been very thorough. Do you think that wage reductions requiring both parents to work, the massive increase in single parent homes, and the overall wealth reductions for the majority of US Citizens is purely accidental? I say think again! Gary Allen was telling gave us a play by play of the take over about 40 years ago in a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" which the majority of people living today have never heard of.
The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:
Well I sure am glad that I'm no longer a "conspiracy theorist" for making the same claim for the last 30 years, at least according to one University. Now we need to go about fixing the issue and restore the Republic!
I read your posts, and other people's posts. How else would I have been able to point out your repeated poor reasoning skills and ignorance regarding the English language? How else would I have known you were fabricating information contained in those posts to back your position? You on the other hand failed to comprehend or read (I am not sure which) 98% of my first post, and complain about the content. Then failed to read, or simply lied about, the contents of other responses to my post.
If you really want to keep going I'm game, but you've essentially just been calling me illogical, delusional, etc, while I insulted you for being socially retarded
I'm socially retarded because I correctly used an expletive? Seriously, you still never bothered to read anything about written language after me pointing out your ignorance? No, I'm not surprised really because the first paragraph explains exactly where you are wrong in every conceivable way. You never demonstrated how "Wholly fuck" as a statement could possibly be a personal attack, or why a different expletive would not be attack. Obviously you see me as socially retarded, because you refuse to admit that you are factually wrong!
To the other piece of that sentence: Show me a single text book that claims ignoring facts and basing your opinion opposite of facts is not delusional, irrational, and illogical. I have at least 6 college text books on my book shelf and every one of them defines your position almost exactly as I have. You ignore the definitions of words, but if you bothered to look for those definitions you would see they also match my statements. Like this these.
delusion
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.
exclamation: a sudden cry or remark, esp. expressing surprise, anger, or pain.
explative
a : a syllable, word, or phrase inserted to fill a vacancy (as in a sentence or a metrical line) without adding to the sense; especially : a word (as it in “make it clear which you prefer”) that occupies the position of the subject or object of a verb in normal English word order and anticipates a subsequent word or phrase that supplies the needed meaningful content
b : an exclamatory word or phrase; especially : one that is obscene or profane
Personal attack: see 'ad hominem' An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.[2] Fallacious Ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely as a genetic fallacy,[6] a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[7] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.
Ad hominem arguments are the converse of appeals to authority, and may be used in response to such appeals.
Ad hominem as it is discussed in this article refers to the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem, and not to the literal Latin phrase ad hominem.
Now, show me one single fact that backs your opinion that my statements "Wholly fuck!" and "Absolutely wrong!" are personal attacks without changing either statement or combining them. Don't come back without proof, your opinion thus far has been based on dishonesty and ignorance (feigned or otherwise). You won't be able to do so, but I'll look for a fact based reply.
Not just that, the only people who'd find such bugs are the people actually working on those programs. Usually, not their downstream users.
Which introduces another potential benefit to OpenSource (inadvertently perhaps). Many times bugs are reported "with" a fix to the bug. This is why impact is generally much lower than closed source. This cuts a few steps out of the bug correcting cycle.
I have on rare occasion seen similar reports on bugs to Microsoft, so realize it's possible to some extent with closed OS code. Without your name getting attached to the bug or bug fix there is little incentive to do so as a developer.
If you really thought you were trolling you would have said "I was trolling dumbass!" and left. Instead you continued to defend your irrational ignorance based opinion.
Since innocent bystanders may see your drivel and believe it's a good example, I corrected all of your easy to spot logic errors and had a bit of fun doing so. It's not often that a person continues to argue from ignorance after someone demonstrates that ignorance to them.
I'm glad you are done responding now, and don't worry.. with proper TV exposure your brain will be back to normal in no time, and all memories of this conversation will vanish leaving you back in a state blissful ignorance.
All traffic sniffing will do is show they are talking to a TOR entree node. Everything is wrapped in multiple layeres of encryption between you and each of the nodes in between. Maybe they could tell from traffic analysis what type of traffic it is based on traffic profiling, streaming your pr0n over to will have a different profile than browseing a webpage wich will in tun be different than ssh, but they still won't know the end point and what the content is.
Um, no! I am not sure how much you know about network security, but I sniff packets all the time and decrypt traffic. If you have a private key this is simple to do. With a massive computer, I can store conversations and brute force a key lateer. This was made easier by the NSA introducing some weak algorithms into encryption protocols. Even without those weaknesses, it is possible to brute force. We are better today after knowing about introduced weaknesses, but still not immune.
Yes but they would have to have had access to your computer to insert the hardware bugs. If you say pick up a cheap laptop at walmart paid for with cash they won't know who has it, and would not have inserted the bugs as they could not have known who would end up wih the computer.
Unfortunately the exploits do not always require physical access. It would certainly take more computer than you suggest, the devices in the leaked presentation are server class machines. Your recommendation for using a cheap PC is good. Personally I build my own more powerful PCs for that same reason.
if they are doing memory analysis thy have the computer in their posesion already and you probably have a much larger issues to worry over.
This same issue exists with someone running forensics on your hard drive. The OS running on Read Only media minimizes the footprint drastically, it does not remove the footprint completely.
That is why we have cryptographic signatures on repositories and iso images. If they can break a 4092 bit key in polynomial time we are f***ed anyway
Now I'm more unsure of your security experience and knowledge. If I make a cloned Distro package and host my own MITM web site, I can use my own key and users would not know necessarily. Looks like chicken, tastes like chicken and all that. It's expensive to do, but happened already (whistle blowers reported this too).
As mentioned previously, I'm not saying the system is bad. I'm claiming is not the best terminology, and a person reading TFA is possibly mislead by the chosen terminology.
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If you were really from the city you would not claim "I'm from the city" but would claim "I'm from Hamtramk" or "I'm from Dearborn". What you wrote instead equates to completely false claims.
Nope, it's not just about the 'white' racist white people. I grew up in Ferndale and Madison Heights and have no issues with race. There are certain areas you learn not to visit if you are white, just like black people learn where not to go.
The Detroit area has a lot of bigots and racism, but it's not just white bigots and racists. If you have doubts and are black, go driving around in Livonia. If you are white, cruise around in Centerline. These are just 2 examples, but there are plenty to be found.
You claim to be white and from "the city" but don't actually mention a city which to me indicates that you are just a poser. Driving main roads into the "Joe" or Cobo Hall does not make you "from the city".
Wiki does a horrible job of explaining this fallacy, and only gives one use case and definition. I'd recommend a college Logic book which explains the fallacy very well in numerous ways. My old text book spends a chapter on this one because it's not a simple fallacy.
To your second point, it's not a humor deficiency. People were showing different ways of defining this fallacy. Some of them correct, others not. A fallacy is a logic error, it does not prove true or false. It can surely help to demonstrate the logical errors made in statements, but the reason for calling out fallacies in debate is to reduce an argument to it's simplest terms and invalidate irrational/illogical statements.
Example: "The sky is blue you ass!" may contain an ad hominem and may contain a true statement. I have given no proof as to the color or whether or not you are an "ass". I just presented a fallacy hoping that people believe me.
In Logic we would break that into two statements and choose what's relevant to our debate. If we were trying to determine people's opinion of you, we would keep the later calling sky color a fallacy (it could fit quite a few). If we were debating the color of the sky the former would stay and the later would be called fallacy (most likely ad hominem).
Learn Latin you imperitus fool!!
Certification has the same issue as gun licensing, which is not an issue for gun shops as much as it's a concern for being tracked and tagged as a gun owner by the Government.
Make it part of public schools where everyone is a potential gun owner and I'd agree easily.
The common misnomer of the 2nd amendment is that a person owns a gun for self protection. The real purpose of the amendment is so that citizens in mass can revolt against corrupt government. (I don't mean to imply you made this misnomer, just preventing some trolling).
If everyone was a potential gun owner and trained to operate weapons, we are not worse off. Corrupt politicians certainly would not like it, but as far as I'm concerned they should be on trial and/or in jail anyway.
And then there is reality! Having driven from Michigan to Texas numerous times, living in Texas for 4 years I found plenty of Rock, Hip/Hop, Rap, and yes lots of "Country" music stations.
If you switched to AM radio for some dumb ass reason when crossing into a different state that's your own damn fault! I can find Christian stations both AM and FM in Detroit just as easy as search for them down "South". Plenty of music stations no matter where in the country I have been.
Claiming Michigan is some blessed region of non-biased people is laughable. If you are white simply drive anywhere in or near Detroit, Flint or Pontiac with your windows open so people can see you. Hell, the majority of Wayne county is not very safe for "Whitey". If you are black, head to Grosse Pointe and wave at a nice police officer who will beat you bloody for being in the wrong city, before hauling your ass to jail. For that matter, head a few counties out of Detroit and see how you are treated. Mackinac Island is a great place to be if you are black too, no really! Livonia is a self proclaimed "Whitest City in America".
No wonder you post anonymously, it takes a certain kind of coward to make up that much bullshit!
Nope, not especially Oakland. Madison Heights, Royal Oak, Ferndale, bleh! Really it depends on where in Oakland County you are, but don't lump in cities like I just mentioned. Safer than Detroit for sure, but Baghdad is safer than Detroit.
Long long ago the line was 8mile, and today it's around 12 mile to be "good area" which rules out lots of Oakland County cities.
I moved from there 3 years ago and still keep tabs (I have relatives from Detroit out to Flint and Pontiac). GM called me when they started pulling their IT back into Detroit and I laughed at their offer.
You hint at it, but I'll state it plainly. Claiming there is a "Boom" in Detroit is horribly distorting reality. In reality, the numbers went up because IT jobs were brought back from overseas, not because there is some magical "new" businesses. Next year these numbers will show very little change, and the next. Sure, there is some trickle effect but it's not a "boom". It's a one time relocation.
Michigan's tax laws pushed the majority of businesses away long ago. Tax rates are too high for any industrial work to move back, and large commercial companies will avoid Michigan for the same reason. Granholm ran around trying to peddle companies to move in for 1-3 years tax free. Companies would talk to her, but looking at a 20-28% tax when your free time ends is simply too much. Especially when you can cross the border into Ohio and pay 1/2 that rate.
Where I don't agree with you is that the city has been corrupt for 100+ years. Prior to Young the city was on par with any other big city in the US. Young was horribly corrupt and should have been in jail, just like Killpatrick.
Have you read the tax law? Our Tax code should be a few hundred pages at most! The majority of the 74,000 pages we have today are not because the US is so complicated. It's so that certain people get the loopholes that they want and lobby to get. Lobby has become a legal synonym to Bribery today.
Apologies, lying may have been too strong a term. Misleading, dishonest, and distorting would be more accurate. I make that claim based on your statements which I had quoted and what you previously wrote. Such as making an issue of the duration of time he was in Hong Kong and implying he was acting nefariously by "passing through repressive countries" and his itinerary was "circuitous". The last part quoted is an absolute fairy tale, his itinerary was linear and off the cuff after the leaks were made public.
You have an implication in your statements that Snowden was not selective in his initial location when the leaks occurred, or that he chose the location for nefarious reasons. You further imply that he had a desire to be in Russia, and had a choice in the matter after the leaks were made public.
There is no reading things into your post, you wrote similar posts twice. You distorted the timelines and at least implied fabricated motives more than once. You then claimed someone else was ignorant (indirectly and correctly I'll add) which at least implies that you have better facts. In reality your facts were just as distorted as the person you were responding to.
If you did not intend to distort both motives and timelines, correct yourself and move on. I'm good with that. I do get tired of people making up information to base an opinion upon, and touting both both as factual. Because of that I am not always patient in my responses and occasionally am very blunt. As stated, claiming you were lying may have been a bit heavy and I could have chosen different words. You did however write at least one untrue statement, so I'm not completely out of bounds.
You claim someone else needs to read that itinerary, but make an absolutely false claims and ignore your own itinerary. Did you read what you linked to?
He passed through two incredibly repressive countries in his travels, for the most circuitous itinerary ever.
Hong Kong -> Russia is "passing through two incredibly repressive countries? I guess you and I have different definitions of "passing through", and in English we would not say he passed through any of them. He was intentionally in Hong Kong, and had no other choice but to end up in Moscow.
I have no idea why you are fabricating why he was in those locations. Snowden and Greenwald issued statements on this long ago, it does not take some magic itinerary from the BBC to figure out. Read fucking history instead of telling fairy tales! You screaming "FOURTEEN DAYS" is just asinine if you actually used historical data instead of telling lies.
Snowden was in Hong Kong because it was one of few places he felt was a secure location to be located when the leaks were made public. Snowden was not sure how most other Governments would react to the leaks, let alone if any would offer him protection (Including Russia). Snowden only went to Moscow after his passports were cancelled in the US, he was labelled a traitor and felt there was no way he could receive a fair trial, and other asylum options he had hoped for were closed. Investigating asylum options is exactly the reason he remained in Hong Kong for "FOURTEEN DAYS". He landed in Moscow and lived at the airport because he still had not requested asylum in Russia. Snowden only applied for asylum at the point he legally had to do so, or be turned over to the US.
If you remember, the US pressured other governments to illegally force diplomatic aircraft to land so that they could search for Snowden. In other words, even if Venezuela or another South American country offered him asylum he had almost no chance of getting there. Interesting that your magical timeline does not mention those things. Almost as interesting as you fabricating information and telling stories.. almost.
But today's body of law is so great that I'm not sure it's possible for a person to read it all within a single lifetime, let alone piece together all of the cross links and understand everything that applies to you.
2,567 hours just to read the US Federal Tax law, which is 120% of a work year if your full time job was to read that Law. And just think of your joy when you find out next year laws are changed (not amended) and grows at a frightening rate. 26,300 pages in 1984, to 54,846 by 2003, to 67,204 in 2007, and 73,954 today. Reference.
Spending 2 minutes reading Feinstein's Wiki page discounts any possible claim you have of "extraordinary". You could not possibly be claiming that everything I stated was dependent on Feinstein explicitly stating one sentence in one way, because that would be idiocy.
Here are One, two, three references, all of politicians calling for the death of Snowden (and one of those contains 6 references).
I can not find the exact quote from Feinstein either, but this is not uncommon nor does it make my statement wrong. Feinstein called Snowden a traitor, which has a punishment of the death penalty. If Feinstein was not a supporter of the death penalty I may cut some slack. Her Wiki page speaks for her very well.
Feinstein is a supporter of capital punishment.
Even assuming she did not state "kill him" directly, there is a very obvious indirect statement by her calling him a traitor (on numerous occasions).
Also, compare how the main Russian media speak about Putin with how Fox News speaks about Obama.
There is no difference, sorry. Obama is not talked poorly about in US media. Anyone that talks negatively tends to be labelled a racist almost immediately.
In the last week the only things I have heard regarding President Obama in broadcast media are that he talked to Putin about the Ukraine, and that he's coming to town for a yet another fund raiser. I can not possibly watch all 3 major stations all the time (obviously) but do try and rotate stations. It's possible someone did question or talk poorly about him and I didn't watch during that time, but I have severe doubts.
Who are these three people?
Last I checked, Google is not broken. Start with Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner, then see who's on the boards of every media company in the US. This is really not hard to figure out, if you care to look. If you don't care about the facts at least have the decency not to muddy the waters for people that do.
Do you really think Fox News calls up the White House to ask them how President Obama would like their broadcast today to go?
Are you falsely trying to claim that the only possible way to organize a message is by one person disseminating information? Perhaps you are trying to claim that "Don't talk about Gitmo in a negative way, or ignore Gitmo completely." could not possibly be directed, and the only way to direct a message is revoke individually? Either way, your false assumption is just that. False.
While I see your point I don't fully agree. How different do you believe the US is from Russia?
US media is controlled primarily by 3 people, each work closely with the US government for what to show, when to show it, and how to frame stories. Most people here will tell you that you have to find 3rd party information for real "News" because it does not exist on TV, and has become extremely rare in Print or Radio.
Third party "News" sites are not blocked in Russia, just like they are not blocked here in the US. Russians have access to Youtube, Google, AOL, and hell even Alex Jones can be read in Russia just like you can here.
How the media is controlled is in Russia and the US is surely different. "That" media is controlled is no different. You just don't want to admit how you are just as uninformed as a Russian citizen if you rely on broadcast media for "News" in the US. Before you go down path to poor logic, 80% control versus 90% control is only a difference of scale. No matter where you try to put the scale, freedom only occurs at 0% control.
Quite frankly, we could make the same comparison to other allegedly "Free" countries like Germany and the UK and we would find the same situation. Der Spiegel is to Germans as the BBC is to Brits, just as Fox is to Americans. Reality is a bitch!
BS? Diane Feinstein said "Snowden should be killed", as did at least a dozen other politicians and heads of 3 letter agencies. His trial would have been any different than any other whistle blower trial? Meaning they would be fair and impartial in both verdict and penalties. Was media blocked from broadcasting slander or printing libel statements against him so he had a chance of getting a fair trial? (Claiming a person is guilty and treasonous when the person has never been in court is slander and/or libel, go check a law book).
Those allegations are all based on verifiable facts. Facts are not BS, unless you are delusional. You on the other hand, are handing out an opinion without any factual basis. Your circular logic about him running would be laughable if it was not so pathetic and popular as propaganda.
It loses a bit in the translation but essentially it says "When you're living with wolves, you better learn fast how to howl, lest they might think you're a sheep".
And when you voluntarily move in with those wolves, that's your own damn fault.
This distorts reality quite a bit. Snowden appealed to Russia as a last resort for asylum, it was not his first choice. When he made his appeal his choices were either: 1) Face death (numerous people called for him to die) or life in prison returning to the US. or 2) Attempt to have a life in a different country.
Some freedom is better than no freedom at that point.
Currently it's lost in the US also, but revolutions do happen. It can happen in Russia the same as it could in the US. I believe (or like to believe) that most people prefer a peaceful change as opposed to a violent revolution. At a point however, all people will fight back.
Plato's "The Republic" is an exceptional book for learning human nature and governments. If you can get it in Russia (unedited) start reading and pass out copies to share. Education is how people are woken up to both how to make changes, and more often in recent times viewing the world from a different perspective and determining a change is needed.
Instead of referring to a fiction novel, you could just refer to a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen which is non-fiction and contains thousands of references. I realize that the title contains the word "Conspiracy" and people have been brain washed into believing "conspiracy == false|insane|crazy", but it's an exceptional book that woke many of us up in the 1970s. I don't know about any of the re-released versions, so suggest you start with the first book. You can read the book for free here.
Do you think that the public will be made aware of this study and be exposed to dialogue regarding the study? I find it much more likely that the media will instead continue to attempt to distract US citizens with more celebrity and sports news and other fake "News" designed to distort reality. It is important to remember that the same people running the Oligarchy also own all of the FCC broadcasting licenses, Newspapers, and TV studios.
Yeah, I used to just blame all of the people for being ignorant fools. The more I studied the monopolization of media and 'News' (both broadcast and print) the less I could blame people who are intentionally mislead and given almost zero real information. Don't take that as blaming journalists, because there are still a great many real journalists in the US. They receive no air or print space so people have to hunt for real "News" and "Journalism". The majority don't have the time to do so, mostly because the attack on our way of life and government has been very thorough. Do you think that wage reductions requiring both parents to work, the massive increase in single parent homes, and the overall wealth reductions for the majority of US Citizens is purely accidental? I say think again! Gary Allen was telling gave us a play by play of the take over about 40 years ago in a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" which the majority of people living today have never heard of.
The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:
Well I sure am glad that I'm no longer a "conspiracy theorist" for making the same claim for the last 30 years, at least according to one University. Now we need to go about fixing the issue and restore the Republic!
I read your posts, and other people's posts. How else would I have been able to point out your repeated poor reasoning skills and ignorance regarding the English language? How else would I have known you were fabricating information contained in those posts to back your position? You on the other hand failed to comprehend or read (I am not sure which) 98% of my first post, and complain about the content. Then failed to read, or simply lied about, the contents of other responses to my post.
If you really want to keep going I'm game, but you've essentially just been calling me illogical, delusional, etc, while I insulted you for being socially retarded
I'm socially retarded because I correctly used an expletive? Seriously, you still never bothered to read anything about written language after me pointing out your ignorance? No, I'm not surprised really because the first paragraph explains exactly where you are wrong in every conceivable way. You never demonstrated how "Wholly fuck" as a statement could possibly be a personal attack, or why a different expletive would not be attack. Obviously you see me as socially retarded, because you refuse to admit that you are factually wrong!
To the other piece of that sentence: Show me a single text book that claims ignoring facts and basing your opinion opposite of facts is not delusional, irrational, and illogical. I have at least 6 college text books on my book shelf and every one of them defines your position almost exactly as I have. You ignore the definitions of words, but if you bothered to look for those definitions you would see they also match my statements. Like this these.
delusion
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.
exclamation: a sudden cry or remark, esp. expressing surprise, anger, or pain.
explative
a : a syllable, word, or phrase inserted to fill a vacancy (as in a sentence or a metrical line) without adding to the sense; especially : a word (as it in “make it clear which you prefer”) that occupies the position of the subject or object of a verb in normal English word order and anticipates a subsequent word or phrase that supplies the needed meaningful content
b : an exclamatory word or phrase; especially : one that is obscene or profane
Personal attack: see 'ad hominem'
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.[2] Fallacious Ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely as a genetic fallacy,[6] a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[7] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.
Ad hominem arguments are the converse of appeals to authority, and may be used in response to such appeals.
Ad hominem as it is discussed in this article refers to the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem, and not to the literal Latin phrase ad hominem.
Now, show me one single fact that backs your opinion that my statements "Wholly fuck!" and "Absolutely wrong!" are personal attacks without changing either statement or combining them. Don't come back without proof, your opinion thus far has been based on dishonesty and ignorance (feigned or otherwise). You won't be able to do so, but I'll look for a fact based reply.
Not just that, the only people who'd find such bugs are the people actually working on those programs. Usually, not their downstream users.
Which introduces another potential benefit to OpenSource (inadvertently perhaps). Many times bugs are reported "with" a fix to the bug. This is why impact is generally much lower than closed source. This cuts a few steps out of the bug correcting cycle.
I have on rare occasion seen similar reports on bugs to Microsoft, so realize it's possible to some extent with closed OS code. Without your name getting attached to the bug or bug fix there is little incentive to do so as a developer.
If you really thought you were trolling you would have said "I was trolling dumbass!" and left. Instead you continued to defend your irrational ignorance based opinion.
Since innocent bystanders may see your drivel and believe it's a good example, I corrected all of your easy to spot logic errors and had a bit of fun doing so. It's not often that a person continues to argue from ignorance after someone demonstrates that ignorance to them.
I'm glad you are done responding now, and don't worry.. with proper TV exposure your brain will be back to normal in no time, and all memories of this conversation will vanish leaving you back in a state blissful ignorance.
All traffic sniffing will do is show they are talking to a TOR entree node. Everything is wrapped in multiple layeres of encryption between you and each of the nodes in between. Maybe they could tell from traffic analysis what type of traffic it is based on traffic profiling, streaming your pr0n over to will have a different profile than browseing a webpage wich will in tun be different than ssh, but they still won't know the end point and what the content is.
Um, no! I am not sure how much you know about network security, but I sniff packets all the time and decrypt traffic. If you have a private key this is simple to do. With a massive computer, I can store conversations and brute force a key lateer. This was made easier by the NSA introducing some weak algorithms into encryption protocols. Even without those weaknesses, it is possible to brute force. We are better today after knowing about introduced weaknesses, but still not immune.
Yes but they would have to have had access to your computer to insert the hardware bugs. If you say pick up a cheap laptop at walmart paid for with cash they won't know who has it, and would not have inserted the bugs as they could not have known who would end up wih the computer.
Unfortunately the exploits do not always require physical access. It would certainly take more computer than you suggest, the devices in the leaked presentation are server class machines. Your recommendation for using a cheap PC is good. Personally I build my own more powerful PCs for that same reason.
if they are doing memory analysis thy have the computer in their posesion already and you probably have a much larger issues to worry over.
This same issue exists with someone running forensics on your hard drive. The OS running on Read Only media minimizes the footprint drastically, it does not remove the footprint completely.
That is why we have cryptographic signatures on repositories and iso images. If they can break a 4092 bit key in polynomial time we are f***ed anyway
Now I'm more unsure of your security experience and knowledge. If I make a cloned Distro package and host my own MITM web site, I can use my own key and users would not know necessarily. Looks like chicken, tastes like chicken and all that. It's expensive to do, but happened already (whistle blowers reported this too).
As mentioned previously, I'm not saying the system is bad. I'm claiming is not the best terminology, and a person reading TFA is possibly mislead by the chosen terminology.