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Snowden Used the Linux Distro Designed For Internet Anonymity

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes: "When Edward Snowden first emailed Glenn Greenwald, he insisted on using email encryption software called PGP for all communications. Now Klint Finley reports that Snowden also used The Amnesic Incognito Live System (Tails) to keep his communications out of the NSA's prying eyes. Tails is a kind of computer-in-a-box using a version of the Linux operating system optimized for anonymity that you install on a DVD or USB drive, boot your computer from and you're pretty close to anonymous on the internet. 'Snowden, Greenwald and their collaborator, documentary film maker Laura Poitras, used it because, by design, Tails doesn't store any data locally,' writes Finley. 'This makes it virtually immune to malicious software, and prevents someone from performing effective forensics on the computer after the fact. That protects both the journalists, and often more importantly, their sources.'

The developers of Tails are, appropriately, anonymous. They're protecting their identities, in part, to help protect the code from government interference. 'The NSA has been pressuring free software projects and developers in various ways,' the group says. But since we don't know who wrote Tails, how do we know it isn't some government plot designed to snare activists or criminals? A couple of ways, actually. One of the Snowden leaks show the NSA complaining about Tails in a Power Point Slide; if it's bad for the NSA, it's safe to say it's good for privacy. And all of the Tails code is open source, so it can be inspected by anyone worried about foul play. 'With Tails,' say the distro developers, 'we provide a tongue and a pen protected by state-of-the-art cryptography to guarantee basic human rights and allow journalists worldwide to work and communicate freely and without fear of reprisal.'"

171 comments

  1. The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believers" by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that? Have any unknown in your life? Just insert the NSA?

    Don't have the source code? The NSA must be behind it.
    Don't know who spread a worm? Must be the NSA.
    Don't know who authored BitCoin? NSA.
    Don't know who packaged up TAILS? NSA.

    The NSA sent his heavenly son to die for our sins.

  2. Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Well, at least it will slow down the other Adam Henrey's with their personal, "needs." Where can I download a copy, today's a good day to start again.

    1. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful
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    2. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Link that works? Wondering now about whether it is /.'d, or down for other reasons...

    3. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's funnier. A broken link in a slashdot post, or someone trusting a slashdot post as the correct location to acquire said security software.

    4. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by Nimey · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been seeding the 0.23 version since it came out. Here's the magnet link:
      magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B7EE06A2568630EED830CFFBF45B6BFD5DE796D4&dn=tails-i386-0.23&tr=http%3a%2f%2ftorrent.gresille.org%2fannounce

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    5. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by sumdumass · · Score: 0

      At least it wasn't goatz or tubgirl.

      Seriously, post the raw link and most browsers will make it a hyperlink.

    6. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I've never once seen a browser do that, and if I did I would stop using it immediately. That's a huge security issue.

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    7. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      IE, firefox, opera, chrome, all do it. Unless you have no script or something like it running. I suppose it can be turned off in the browser settings somewhere.

      Not sure what the security issue would be. You still have to click the link. It would be no more insecure than having a link present.

    8. Re:Well, If the NSA Can't Crack It, Ya Right by X0563511 · · Score: 0

      Just checked with Firefox, Safari, and IE. The only thing special is that Firefox has adblock plus on it.

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  3. Cue NSA infilatration in 3...2.... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    May want to keep an eye out in the development community of the OS for a sudden influx of programmers "just wanting to help out." Or existing members suddenly driving new sports cars and acting strange.

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    1. Re:Cue NSA infilatration in 3...2.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cue slashdot effect in 5...4.....3...

    2. Re:Cue NSA infilatration in 3...2.... by RGRistroph · · Score: 4, Funny

      We, the open source and freedom-loving community, may need an organized task force to keep track of these programmers, track their incomes, and store their communications -- just for future reference in case something comes up and a mole is suspected, not an actual search as the Constitution defines it, of course. Similar to the Apache Foundation and other Foundations for Open Source causes, but tasked with keeping our communications secure, and breaking the other side's communications where feasiable. We'll have to keep the existence of the Association secret as much as possible of course, and thus also hide it's budget in small items spread accross the other Foundations. They'll archive all the repos and mailing lists and IRC channels and any other communication medium, but advances in technology make the storage on that scale cheaper. We might have to rent a large building out somewhere that has cheap land and few pesky curious tresspassers, Utah or something. We'll just refer to it as No Such Association for now. A small and expedient measure given the threats of our times.

    3. Re:Cue NSA infilatration in 3...2.... by rcamans · · Score: 1

      Isn't the phrase "programmers acting strange" redundant?

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  4. another story about the pulitzer winner(s) & u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    almost gushing in agreement world wide? what a gig...

  5. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that? Have any unknown in your life? Just insert the NSA?

    Don't have the source code? The NSA must be behind it.
    Don't know who spread a worm? Must be the NSA.
    Don't know who authored BitCoin? NSA.
    Don't know who packaged up TAILS? NSA.

    The NSA sent his heavenly son to die for our sins.

    No.

  6. Anonymous on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So let me get this straight... Some funny Linux distro magically makes you anonymous on the internet. So all of a sudden no servers log your IP address and no ISPs can look at your traffic - simply because you loaded a special distro? I think not. Unless "anonymous on the internet" means something different to you than to the rest of the world. Now immune to local forensics - sure. But on the internet? Not so much.

    1. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tails bakes in a routing table that makes all traffic go over Tor. It also has built-in I2P support. So, while ISPs can look at your traffic, it becomes quite a tough nut to crack to figure out what you're actually doing. Attacks are possible, but require exponentially more sophistication and resources than just tracking an IP.

    2. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      makes all traffic go over Tor.

      Doesn't this slow things down considerably? Can you do normal activities like ssh or youtube in this type of setup?

    3. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Or simply requires taking control of some servers.

    4. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SSH? of course. Youtube? Generally, no. Using flash over tor is contraindicated anyway, due to potential leaks, though html5 shouldn't be a problem, other than the general latency of tor slowing it down to a crawl.

      TAILS is a live system (that's what the LS at the end of the name stands for), and isn't meant to be run as a primary system, but rather only when doing otherwise sensitive things. Not that youtube isn't sensitive in some locations, but for now, the TOR network just can't handle that kind of load. Conventional VPN's are about the best option in those cases, but naturally, figuring out how much you trust your security over a vpn to avoid whatever kind of penalty there is for viewing youtube videos in your country is something for anyone going that route to consider.

    5. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Dear Wycliffe, in your time people were happy with letters and manuscripts. Why, you didn't even have the humble printing press at your disposal! Even if privacy-conscious citizens won't be able to share their shower selfies on YouTube, or whatever is popular this week, I'm sure that their actual communication needs will be amply provided for by a system like this.

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    6. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 2

      No, no, and no. If you were using tails, you wouldn't have been vulnerable to this attack because it enables NoScript by default. Tails' use of security best practices helps protect against zero-day exploits like the FBI's javascript malicious payload.

    7. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jacob Appelbaum streamed video over Tor to the Libre Planet 2014 conference attendees. As an occasional user of Tor I'd say it is possible to download large files much of the time at decent speeds. You can generally get 20-200kbs although I have seen it as bad as 5kbs to some heavily used hidden services. I think you should also be aware that it's not just bandwidth that is a problem. It's latency. Despite this it does work "good enough" for those who really need to be anonymous. The problems with Tor tend to be user-oriented. How do you get a persecuted population up to speed such that they can safely communicate using the privacy / anonymity tools? It's a huge challenge given the adversaries and lack of technical and investigatory skills many are up against.

      Who is Jacob Appelbaum? He is an independent computer security researcher and hacker. He was employed by the University of Washington, and is a core member of the Tor project.

    8. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I2P can be deanonymized. Do not run services on it.

    9. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Tor is ineffective when you can tap the whole internet and do statistical analysis.

      Next.

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    10. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      No, actually, and the hubris of your "Next" comment is telling about how you summarily dismissed this without doing any actual research. Have you ever actually tried to do a traffic correlation attack? Do you even know how Tor works?

      Tor, in order to defeat traffic correlation attacks (or at least make them much more difficult), re-negotiates its connection to use a different circuit every ten minutes. The NSA themselves in the leaked "Tor Stinks" document even pointed to this as being extremely difficult, if not impossible, to track users through. The NSA admits that even with manual analysis, only a small fraction of tor users can be exposed. Reference.

    11. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Heres the slides (warning TS//) http://apps.washingtonpost.com... They are from 2007, before iPhone came out. Much has changed since then.

      NSA capabilities now include tapping phones of an entire country this is even U// by now https://firstlook.org/theinter...

      Since Tor was identified as interesting in 2007 and since it hasn't died, it is safe to assume efforts are continuing to be applied against it.

      And no, I don't have access to Internet scale data streams here, just using the standard Tor disclaimer at https://www.torproject.org/abo... but even 10 minutes is a long time if you have constant near-realtime communication.

      Of course, Tor would be very effective for messaging services where you send one message and then disconnect!

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    12. Re:Anonymous on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      makes all traffic go over Tor.

      Doesn't this slow things down considerably? Can you do normal activities like ssh or youtube in this type of setup?

      No. Yes.

  7. Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Incognito Linux did not impress me. You can be more anonymous using Backtrack.

    1. Re:Anonymous by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Incognito Linux did not impress me. You can be more anonymous using Backtrack.

      ah no.

      Backtrack is for cracking not staying anonamous.
      Tails routes all of your traffic through TOR and keeps you anonymous as long as you don't share anything reveling.

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    2. Re:Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you want tools from both, there's AttackVector (which may or may not still be under active development). Beware though; some of the goals of tor clash with the goals of some of the pentesting tools in Backtrack/Kali, and may be a bit problematic (things like UDP nmap scans come to mind). RTFM, as always.

    3. Re:Anonymous by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      as long as you don't share anything reveling.

      So its pretty much useless then? I realize the point of what its doing, but its fairly trivial with software running at or near exit nodes to figure out who's doing what and who they are. I have no doubt the NSA is capable of doing it. Put me in an IRC channel with 20 people I know and have chatted with for some time, randomize their nicks, give me an hour and I can tell you who most of them are based on their conversation patterns alone, and I'm just observant, not software combing EVERYTHING you do.

      Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be anonymous, but just that its PRETTY FRAKING HARD to do if you're doing it in public view, regardless of how hard you try to hide.

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    4. Re:Anonymous by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's plenty of ways to defeat stylometric analysis, notably, running things through a translation engine several times through a few languages.

    5. Re:Anonymous by fractoid · · Score: 2

      Sir! I think we've just identified the Babelfish Bandit!

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    6. Re:Anonymous by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      But I revel in sharing! :P

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    7. Re:Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is unless you know what you are doing. For instance windows has a tendency to reveal your identify through automatic updates and their p2p. But if you do not anonymize everything with tor in a windows box you're all right. But then you are risking to compromize by other means.

      Linux isn't immune to this. This is why these distributions are good for those less security inclined. But of course they will not help against idiots as they will not scrub your facebook, purge your cell and do interdimentional travel.

  8. NSA boogeyman by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0

    'The NSA has been pressuring free software projects and developers in various ways,' the group says.

    Did they provide evidence for this claim?

    1. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the amount of funding they have, I would be seriously disappointed if they didn't try at least once.

    2. Re:NSA boogeyman by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go on YouTube and listen Jacob Appelbaum's (a Tor developer) videos. Something about NSA agents peering into his girlfriend's window at night and various other intimidation tactics..and that's just him..

    3. Re:NSA boogeyman by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      A Tor developer? Being paranoid? Shocking!

      No, I'm sorry, when I say "evidence" what I mean is, and try to follow along here, "evidence". Not anecdotes. Not scary bumping noises in the night. Evidence.

    4. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "NSA agents"

      Um, yeah, well you do know that the whole concept of "NSA agents" doesn't exist outside Splinter Cell, don't you? There's no NSA operatives running around with night vision goggles and sporting guns with silencers. What you got here is some dolt whose girlfriend catches a peeping Tom and, well, it must be the NSA!

    5. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure there are NSA operatives reading this right now. Maybe they can provide the proof.

    6. Re:NSA boogeyman by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering the fact that the NSA is super-secretive and the ongoing joke is it's an acronym for "No Such Organization," short of another Edward Snowden I don't think you can be given the kind of evidence you want. Remember, before Snowden those "paranoid" people like Tor Developers were relegated by folks like you into the land of nutjobs, conspiracy theorists and tinfoil-hat haberdashers. Now look..

    7. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "NSA agents"? Those work in them cushy office buildings. These people must have been either CIA field officers, or - much more likely - your ordinary pervy Germans. :-p ;-)

    8. Re:NSA boogeyman by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Also known as Nasty Sexual Assailants.

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    9. Re:NSA boogeyman by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      NSA Agents

      NSA agent is the name given to most employees of the NSA, same as other federal bodies like FBI, CIA, DEA, etc. You start as a "Special Agent" typically and then move up to Assistant-Special-Agent-in-Charge...Special-Agent-in-Charge etc..it's the default term. No one said anything about night vision and silenced weapons etc, AFAIK it was a plain ol stakeout. Sounds like you're the one playing too many video games.

      some dolt

      A rather accomplished and well-known individual who's been at the core of many privacy-related projects and founded a major hackerspace in San Francisco..and happens to be connected with Assange, Poitras, Snowden etc and in the NSA's radar..

    10. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean "No Such Agency"....

    11. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one calls anyone that works at the NSA agents.

    12. Re:NSA boogeyman by lonOtter · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, he doesn't. He's referring to the real puppeteers: NSO.

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    13. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? There haven't been enough scandals yet?

      - pressure to backdoor linux - http://www.itworld.com/open-source/383628/linus-father-confirms-nsa-attempt-backdoor-linux
      - NSA/GCHQ have power points about trying to attack TOR exit nodes including with DOS attacks
      - they hack sys admins
      - they are suspected of introducing bugs into code bases (anonymous commit to the linux kernel which had a = instead of == allowing remote code exploit)
      - they are known to have inserted hardware backdoors into US chips - most probably Intel and Via.
      - they used NIST to cripple encryption and random number generation standards. (They fixed the s-boxes in DES, but they reduced the key length from 64 bits to 54 bits. They lobbied to reduce the number of passes in current crypto systems. The Dual_EC_DRBG is the backdoored random number standard they forced though.)
      - They paid $10 million to RSA to set the default to this bad random number generation standard.
      - They use porn browsing habits and other information they collect to discredit people they don't like - this includes Americans.
      - They launch DoS attack against people they don't like. This includes people in anonymous and file shares using pirate bay. Anyone happening to use the same public IRC servers suffer too.
      - They launch "false flag" operations - meaning they do something evil, blame someone else, and use that as an excuse to do the thing they originally wanted to do but couldn't (the equivalent of shooting your own troops, blaming the enemy, and launching a "counter attack").
      - Joe Nachio former CEO of Qwest, was invited to Fort Meade and asked to do something blatantly illegal to which he said no. As a result, he lost the government contracts he expected to get, and the government arrested him for insider trading. He served 6 years in prison after being denied the right to defend himself because the programs in question were classified. (And you wonder why other telcos go along with the NSA's "requests")
      - Lavabit (secure email provider) was strong armed into closing after they received an NSL to spy on Snowden's email. The form of the NSL required that ALL lavabit customers would be spied on.

      These are just off the top of my head! How many demonstrations of evil do you need from those bastards? They are completely out of control.

    14. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, no, there are no NSA "agents". They have no law enforcement powers as the other agencies you mentioned, and they are not referred to by those titles because they don't hold those titles.

      Also, why do you think you can't be both rather accomplished and well-known, and also be a dolt? Linus Pauling knew a hell of a lot about biophysics, but I sure wouldn't march behind his banner on vitamins because of it.

    15. Re:NSA boogeyman by sumdumass · · Score: 0

      But they are mean too. Their idea of safe sex is making sure they are somewhere where nobody can hear the screams.

      I'll stick with the crash helmet and condoms.

    16. Re:NSA boogeyman by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1
    17. Re:NSA boogeyman by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Ah.........NO. Let us just say I live in an area where you can meet these people and they are NOT agents. ROFLMAO

    18. Re:NSA boogeyman by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Regardless of this (and please enlighten us to what they are called rather than just dismiss), common parlance is to refer to NSA employees as Agents. Just google "NSA Agent" to see countless journalistic reports about NSA Employees referred to as "Agents" (outside of the context of covert operations video game nonsense)....same is true with other agencies. And yes, they do have "Special Agent" etc ranks. However, they will not permit ex-employees to use such designations on their resumes and force them to use other titles like "Clerk" or "Analyst."

    19. Re:NSA boogeyman by fractoid · · Score: 2

      Who are controlled in turn by an even more mysterious organisation: ROUS.

      But I doubt they exist.

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    20. Re:NSA boogeyman by fsterman · · Score: 1

      A Tor developer? Being paranoid? Shocking!

      No, I'm sorry, when I say "evidence" what I mean is, and try to follow along here, "evidence". Not anecdotes. Not scary bumping noises in the night. Evidence.

      Okay, "When I flew away for an appointment, I installed four alarm systems in my apartment," Appelbaum told the paper after discussing other situations which he said made him feel uneasy. "When I returned, three of them had been turned off. The fourth, however, had registered that somebody was in my flat - although I'm the only one with a key. And some of my effects, whose positions I carefully note, were indeed askew. My computers had been turned on and off."

      Who breaks into an apartment, turns off alarms, and politely tries to put everything back in its place? Do you want him to post video of agents too? Just listen to the man.

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    21. Re:NSA boogeyman by minus9 · · Score: 1

      Just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

    22. Re:NSA boogeyman by deadweight · · Score: 1

      WTF??? I can only say so much on here, but NO WAY are NSA employees running around being "agents". If some guy knocked on my door and said he was an NSA agent I would be falling over laughing.

    23. Re:NSA boogeyman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is pretty funny that you seem to think you know every NSA agent in the world.

    24. Re:NSA boogeyman by HagraBiscuit · · Score: 1

      +1 point for the splendid reference, I bow my head in solemn deference.

    25. Re:NSA boogeyman by HagraBiscuit · · Score: 1

      "The true paranoid is just someone in posession of all the facts".

    26. Re:NSA boogeyman by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      That's not what I said at all. What I said is that, in common parlance (as in newspaper articles, discussions, etc) NSA employees are referred to as "Agents" in Standard Written English.

  9. Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 2
    And the anonymous authors of the package deserve a medal.

    The CIA etc notes that its employees 'serve in silence,' surely this team has advanced the cause of freedom and liberty more than them, in silence.

    1. Re:Tails is awesome by BreakBad · · Score: 1

      ..and pretty cool masks.

    2. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      ... surely this team has advanced the cause of freedom and liberty more than them, in silence.

      I'm pretty sure that the answer to that is no. "Tails" isn't more than a few years old. The CIA was fighting communist dictatorships for decades, and before that its predecessor the OSS fought the Nazis.

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    3. Re:Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1
      Do you really believe that load? The CIA was formed to be an instrument of executive power with minimal accountability, and is one of many intelligence organizations in the United States. While it was fighting communist dictatorships it was also trying to steal the presidential election on behald of Nixon (Watergate), and potentially facilitating the sales of drugs in the USA to finance Iran-Contra. Their SAD divison helped illegally expand the Vietnam War into Cambodia, and use chemical weapons whose effects are still being felt today.

      Also, none of the employees at the present CIA were around to have anything to do with fighting the Nazis.

    4. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      How many of the present CIA had anything to do with Vietnam? Iran Contra? See, I can play that game too.

      Watergate was Nixon's own men, not the CIA.

      Were the North Vietnamese in Cambodia and using it to attack South Vietnam? Yes. Are you claiming that Cambodia was outside its rights to ask for assistance against the North Vietnamese occupation of its territory?

      Now maybe you can tell me, how much did the Tails project help dissidents against the Communist governments of Poland, USSR, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and many others? What did the Tails project do to defeat Communist takeover attempts in free European countries like Greece? Nothing.

      What I wrote has the irritating quality of being true.

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    5. Re:Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1
      Actually, many present CIA employees were around for Vietnam and Iran-Contra..notably, a recent director, Porter Goss -- who was a career CIA employee. Those who were low-level agents at the agency are now in higher positions, and they were around for that time -- albeit it is unkown whether they were involved with those operations. You didn't fact check your statement at all before making it. The reason my statement is true is because of time disparity -- 70 years since the Nazis fell means that any CIA agent would have to be 90+ years old to have been around for that.

      Now maybe you can tell me, how much did the Tails project help dissidents against the Communist governments of Poland, USSR, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and many others? What did the Tails project do to defeat Communist takeover attempts in free European countries like Greece? Nothing.

      It didn't exist then and neither did the internet. Today, it would help bring down the "Iron Curtain" and be a valuable instrument in these areas. The CIA also didn't do this out of the goodness of their heart or do defend "freedom" -- they were doing it to expand U.S. power and influence in Europe and check the influence of Russia.

      Are you claiming that Cambodia was outside its rights to ask for assistance against the North Vietnamese occupation of its territory?

      Cambodia never did this. Can you find a source that says that? And I don't mean their powerless government-in-exile asking for military assisntace, if that was legal, then the Dali Lama could authorize the U.S. to invade Tibet.

      The CIA was involved and Nixon's men were former CIA agents.

      Heres' a reference

      What I wrote has the irritating quality of being true.

      No, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts. You've invented your own facts for the purposes of rebuttal, which is quite irritating.

    6. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Former CIA agents are not current CIA agents.

      As the Cambodian situation became worse, the Cambodian government sought military assistance from the United States and South Vietnam.

      -- Across the Border: Sanctuaries in Cambodia and Laos

      The US was out of South Vietnam in 1975. That is nearly 40 years ago. I doubt there are many CIA agents that were working in Vietnam still working at the CIA. Iran Contra is also well into the past. And once again, a former Director of CIA is not a current Director or employee.

      The internet certainly did exist in the 1980s. But you basically concede my point then. Tails had nothing to do with the actual fight for freedom that was the struggle against communism let alone the Nazis. The real contributor to freedom was the CIA, not the small Tails project only a few years old.

      I look forward to you identifying the relevant facts. You would then be less irritated and probably no be proposing such nonsense.

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    7. Re:Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Former CIA agents are not current CIA agents.

      As the Cambodian situation became worse, the Cambodian government sought military assistance from the United States and South Vietnam.

      -- Across the Border: Sanctuaries in Cambodia and Laos

      This is an official military source that misses the point that the "government" of Cambodia was not de facto sovereign at the time, nor legal..the request came from Lon Nol, a pro-US general who was just installed in a coup d'etat.

      The US was out of South Vietnam in 1975. That is nearly 40 years ago. I doubt there are many CIA agents that were working in Vietnam still working at the CIA.

      They'd be 60-70 years old but it's still quite possible. The CIA doesn't really publish lists of employees so this can be checked.

      Iran Contra is also well into the past. And once again, a former Director of CIA is not a current Director or employee.

      The internet certainly did exist in the 1980s.

      Yes, but mostly as U.S-only network, it would be more accurate to say the "Internet did not exist in the way we know it today". CERN and Europe didn't largely uplink into the TCP/IP-based internet until 1989..post-Berlin Wall.

      The real contributor to freedom was the CIA, not the small Tails project only a few years old.

      If you think that the CIA contributed to "freedom" then you speak propaganda only. The CIA contributed to realpolitik, and only came to create "freedom" in places that mattered to the U.S.'s strategic interests. In the same way the KGB helped enforce a "prison of states" around Eastern Europe, the CIA helped foster a similar situation in South America. See Guatemalan Coup . Let's not forget also about Chile and Grenada. Also, the CIA helped stifle dissent in America and reduce American political freedoms during thist ime. Reference: Operation CHAOS

    8. Re:Tails is awesome by anagama · · Score: 1

      Today, Cold Fjord and the NSA _are_ the Nazis.

      --
      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
    9. Re:Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Let's also not forget one of the first things the CIA did in Post-WWI America.. Project MKULTRA How does giving people LSD in mind-control experiments help anyone's freedom? Seems like something that would be described in Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism

    10. Re:Tails is awesome by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      s/WWI/WWII/g

    11. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Well well, a visit from one of our persistent local fascists. Here to shout me down again? Or are you just here to show off a new set of jackboots?

      By the way, thank you for your last visit. It isn't often that I get treated like Socrates - too dangerous and corrupting to hear, not believing in the god of state. I'm honored. I will grant you I am often the one-eyed man in the land of the blind, but your reaction is unusual: "Who does he think he is with that eye! Poke out that eye! To hell with seeing!" I guess that explains your inclination towards building a dystopia.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    12. Re:Tails is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real contributor to freedom was the CIA

      Yeah, I hear this all the time from the ladies in Iran, especially the ones who are stoned to death for their husbands' adultery. May you yourself at the mercy of its innocent victims.

    13. Re:Tails is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is incredibly ignorant. The CIA had nothing to do with the Islamists seizing power in Iran, or in the Islamic laws they choose to enforce. Do you have any pity for the tens of millions killed by the KGB or Communist Chinese?

    14. Re:Tails is awesome by anagama · · Score: 1

      not believing in the god of state

      You have to be joking. There is no bigger defender of the state, the status quo, and the Anit-American activities of the NSA than you. I don't think there is a more statist asshole on all of Slashdot than you are, so I suppose we should add "deluded" to your list of faults now too.

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      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
    15. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      I see you've mastered the Big Lie technique. There is, as you put it, a more "statist asshole" on Slashdot: you. The only reason the "status quo" upsets you is that you want to see the power of the state grow to be ever more encompassing, more powerful, more smothering, making more choices for us, depriving us of our liberties, all of course "for your own good." Obama upsets you because he isn't radical enough, and isn't making changes to American society quick enough. You better be careful what you wish for, you might get it ... much to your regret. You apparently pay no attention to the experiences of others.

      I am in no way surprised to see you try to depict defending the US as "Anti-American." After all, a weakened and damaged America will be easier to "change," won't it?

      You don't support free and open debate. Who are you to talk about "Anti-American" activities? You called me a "Nazi" as an invective, but you are the fascist.

      --
      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    16. Re:Tails is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Installing isn't the same as fighting.

    17. Re:Tails is awesome by anagama · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Jesus -- I haven't done acid since my college days a quarter century ago. You should lay off it.

      Big Lie -- you're whole post is this. You try to take on the mantle of a freedom loving defender of American virtue, when the fucking straight fact is, you are the biggest NSA shill there is, and the NSA is one of the biggest threats to the US Constitution in the entire world. We also have other Executive branch things that are pretty fucking bad, but the NSA is anti-constitution, thus anti-American, and your support for the NSA makes YOU anti-American.

      --
      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
    18. Re:Tails is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but once you detract from that the amount of effort spent propping up tyrants and toppling democraticly elected governments in other countries to further the agendas of US corporations, as well as running drug trade for their off the books budgeting, it becomes a little less clear that they have done more for freedom and liberty overall.

      Not to say they don't do some good things, but seriously, it's a bit strange to see someone acting like the CIA is some purely benevolent force in the world. A good number of their misdeeds are pretty openly documented at this point.

    19. Re:Tails is awesome by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      ... when the fucking straight fact is..

      First you call me Nazi, now you're back to "NSA shill." More crooked words from you, more lies as you continue your assault on the truth like the fascist you are. You have to rely upon name calling instead of argument because the simple straight facts are so devastating to your position. The simple fact is that the NSA is nothing more than a US government intelligence under the Department of Defense that looks for a list of things given to it by the rest of the government. It isn't the secret police. It isn't the Stasi. It doesn't have arrest powers. Congress holds its purse strings and writes the laws it must comply with. The President appoints its leaders. It has to answer to the courts. It plays a vital role in protecting the US. And ultimately that is why you can't stand it: it protects the United States and it is part of the military. You can't stand the "status quo" and want the country moved in an extreme direction. "Omabaisaneocon"??? Really? Like many extremists you are content to use the protections of the Constitution as both shield and club to conduct "lawfare" until your faction has the power to alter things more to its liking.

      General George Washington was a spy master that the head of British intelligence complained "out spied" him. Benjamin Franking opened the mail of other colonists for intelligence purposes. You ignore that history because it is inconvenient. You are against US intelligence vital to protecting the country. You are at best a self-hating American and an example of Oikophobia if not an outright anti-American, and in either case a fascist.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    20. Re:Tails is awesome by cffrost · · Score: 1

      I will grant you I am often the one-eyed milkman [...]

      Fixed that for ya.

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    21. Re:Tails is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are the fascist

      No, that's still you being the fascist, cold fjord.

  10. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Russ1642 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well for a start we know that the NSA exists. I can go on but what I've just said pretty much destroys the analogy.

  11. Almost by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tails doesn't store any data locally,' writes Finley. 'This makes it virtually immune to malicious software, and prevents someone from performing effective forensics on the computer after the fact. That protects both the journalists, and often more importantly, their sources.'

    Traffic sniffing does not require files on the target and this is the biggest source of data for agencies like the NSA. It may protect you from key loggers being installed (unless they were inserted ahead of time).

    I'm pretty sure that part of Snowden's leaked information showed that exploits are occurring at the hardware level as well as software. Entry points like LOM modules were explicitly called out in the leaked presentations.

    I'd agree that forensics becomes extremely difficult, if not impossible (memory analysis can still occur). I don't agree that the systems are immune to malicious software at least in a general sense. Immunity would require a lot of control for the hardware running the OS, and monitoring to make sure things have not been tampered with. Relying on a repository build of an OS imaged is still a target for potential a MITM attack feeding a user a kitted image.

    It's all good in my opinion, I'm just being picky about the terminology chosen. Immunity implies absolute safety, and very little in the world is absolute.

    --

    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Almost by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tails doesn't store any data locally,' writes Finley. 'This makes it virtually immune to malicious software, and prevents someone from performing effective forensics on the computer after the fact. That protects both the journalists, and often more importantly, their sources.'

      Traffic sniffing does not require files on the target and this is the biggest source of data for agencies like the NSA. It may protect you from key loggers being installed (unless they were inserted ahead of time).

      All traffic sniffing will do is show they are talking to a TOR entree node. Everything is wrapped in multiple layeres of encryption between you and each of the nodes in between. Maybe they could tell from traffic analysis what type of traffic it is based on traffic profiling, streaming your pr0n over to will have a different profile than browseing a webpage wich will in tun be different than ssh, but they still won't know the end point and what the content is.

      I'm pretty sure that part of Snowden's leaked information showed that exploits are occurring at the hardware level as well as software. Entry points like LOM modules were explicitly called out in the leaked presentations.

      Yes but they would have to have had access to your computer to insert the hardware bugs. If you say pick up a cheap laptop at walmart paid for with cash they won't know who has it, and would not have inserted the bugs as they could not have known who would end up wih the computer.

      I'd agree that forensics becomes extremely difficult, if not impossible (memory analysis can still occur).

      if they are doing memory analysis thy have the computer in their posesion already and you probably have a much larger issues to worry over.

      I don't agree that the systems are immune to malicious software at least in a general sense. Immunity would require a lot of control for the hardware running the OS, and monitoring to make sure things have not been tampered with.

      Technically true. However you have to trust something, and as long as there has been know oppertunity to tamper with the computer you can assume your safe for most things.

      Relying on a repository build of an OS imaged is still a target for potential a MITM attack feeding a user a kitted image.

      That is why we have cryptographic signatures on repositories and iso images. If they can break a 4092 bit key in polynomial time we are f***ed anyway

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    2. Re:Almost by s.petry · · Score: 1

      All traffic sniffing will do is show they are talking to a TOR entree node. Everything is wrapped in multiple layeres of encryption between you and each of the nodes in between. Maybe they could tell from traffic analysis what type of traffic it is based on traffic profiling, streaming your pr0n over to will have a different profile than browseing a webpage wich will in tun be different than ssh, but they still won't know the end point and what the content is.

      Um, no! I am not sure how much you know about network security, but I sniff packets all the time and decrypt traffic. If you have a private key this is simple to do. With a massive computer, I can store conversations and brute force a key lateer. This was made easier by the NSA introducing some weak algorithms into encryption protocols. Even without those weaknesses, it is possible to brute force. We are better today after knowing about introduced weaknesses, but still not immune.

      Yes but they would have to have had access to your computer to insert the hardware bugs. If you say pick up a cheap laptop at walmart paid for with cash they won't know who has it, and would not have inserted the bugs as they could not have known who would end up wih the computer.

      Unfortunately the exploits do not always require physical access. It would certainly take more computer than you suggest, the devices in the leaked presentation are server class machines. Your recommendation for using a cheap PC is good. Personally I build my own more powerful PCs for that same reason.

      if they are doing memory analysis thy have the computer in their posesion already and you probably have a much larger issues to worry over.

      This same issue exists with someone running forensics on your hard drive. The OS running on Read Only media minimizes the footprint drastically, it does not remove the footprint completely.

      That is why we have cryptographic signatures on repositories and iso images. If they can break a 4092 bit key in polynomial time we are f***ed anyway

      Now I'm more unsure of your security experience and knowledge. If I make a cloned Distro package and host my own MITM web site, I can use my own key and users would not know necessarily. Looks like chicken, tastes like chicken and all that. It's expensive to do, but happened already (whistle blowers reported this too).

      As mentioned previously, I'm not saying the system is bad. I'm claiming is not the best terminology, and a person reading TFA is possibly mislead by the chosen terminology.

      --

      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    3. Re:Almost by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Tor mitigates traffic analysis attacks by padding data, generating extra random packets, combining packets it is forwarding or splitting them up again etc.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re:Almost by fafalone · · Score: 1

      All traffic sniffing will do is show they are talking to a TOR entree node. Everything is wrapped in multiple layeres of encryption between you and each of the nodes in between. Maybe they could tell from traffic analysis what type of traffic it is based on traffic profiling, streaming your pr0n over to will have a different profile than browseing a webpage wich will in tun be different than ssh, but they still won't know the end point and what the content is.

      Assuming you can view every page and do what you need to do without ever turning on Javascript. Which is quite the tall order. For example, there is no e-mail service on this planet that allows signup and use without JS turned on for at least one step or payment (this sounds ridiculous, but go and try it. There used to be. They've all been changed or shut down.). And it's been clearly established all it takes is one malicious script to unmask your IP while on tor.

      Yes but they would have to have had access to your computer to insert the hardware bugs. If you say pick up a cheap laptop at walmart paid for with cash they won't know who has it, and would not have inserted the bugs as they could not have known who would end up wih the computer.

      Actually they would have a picture of your face and could go from there. A component serial number is discovered, which leads to the manufacturer, which leads to what store sold it; then their inventory systems can tell you what time it was sold, then you can match that up to security camera footage. This has been documented with burner phones, no reason it couldn't be done with computers.

      Technically true. However you have to trust something, and as long as there has been know oppertunity to tamper with the computer you can assume your safe for most things.

      It's like you missed the last year and still think this stuff is the fantasy of conspiracy nuts. Or work for the NSA and want to lull everyone into thinking they're safe.

      That is why we have cryptographic signatures on repositories and iso images. If they can break a 4092 bit key in polynomial time we are f***ed anyway

      Yes because that's the weak part. *sigh*

  12. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Allegedly.

  13. Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And all of the Tails code is open source, so it can be inspected by anyone...

    Yeah. Because that peer review process worked out so well for OpenSSL... Sorry, but the defence of "it's open source so don't worry" doesn't really inspire quite the same degree of confidence it once did.

    1. Re:Open Source by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, OpenSSL is sort of complex. When it comes to actual security, simplicity is your friend. So I wonder whether - for mutual communication of two people (both equipped with this software) - you actually *need* OpenSSL or any crypto implementation of similar complexity. Just cut off everything unnecessary - especially given how X.509 should be suspicious to most paranoid people in the first place! What if the CAs get compromised by government agents? Just exchange your public keys in person to be sure. You don't need OpenSSL to do that.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  14. From an NSA powerpoint slide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their disinformation tactic worked! That slide was a plant to sew trust in Tails, when in reality it was written by Admiral Mike Rogers himself!

    The only true way to remain anonymous is write your own code, live in a fenced in, soundproof room you built yourself, solder your own electronics to build your own hardware, and store all of your excreted bodily fluids in jars around your jar so they can't trace your DNA.

    1. Re:From an NSA powerpoint slide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And don't forget the fact that 99.9% of the people out there aren't as interesting as they think they are. Most would be very disappointed to find out that the NSA actually doesn't give a fuck about them, and that would be a blow to their egos. Back in the 90's when they caught Ted Kazinski, they got a hold of his "hit list." There were CEO's and such who actually felt slighted that they weren't on that list. Kind of a shot to their inflated egos.

  15. The Distant Future, Considered by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    how do we know it isn't some government plot designed to snare activists or criminals? A couple of ways, actually. One of the Snowden leaks show the NSA complaining about Tails in a Power Point Slide

    And that, ladies and gentleman, is how you play the Really Long Game.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  16. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by theskipper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, personally my first thought after reading the summary was "but how do you trust the BIOS?" A few years ago I'd have immediately said that's conspiracy theory and dismissed it (along with the other items you listed). But after a year of exposure to the Snowden and RSA revelations and everything else, it pains me to say these NSA questions aren't so far fetched any more.

    Sure they may not be probable but they could be possible. No matter how rational you think you are, it really messes with one's mind. Subtle paranoia, if you will.

  17. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by MrNickname · · Score: 4, Funny

    That sounds like something the NSA would post.

  18. Comment subjects suck by caluml · · Score: 1

    And it's Slashdotted.

  19. The NSA is tricky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But since we don't know who wrote Tails, how do we know it isn't some government plot designed to snare activists or criminals? A couple of ways, actually. One of the Snowden leaks show the NSA complaining about Tails in a Power Point Slide; if it's bad for the NSA, it's safe to say it's good for privacy.

    Write Tails, fabricate memo complaining about it, convince hordes of evil doers that you can't crack it. Isn't it obvious?

  20. NSA 'compaining' about tails by spasm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NSA 'compaining' about tails? Oh, no, please don't throw me in that briar patch!

    http://americanfolklore.net/fo...

    1. Re:NSA 'compaining' about tails by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Well it's too slow. Sonic is faster.

    2. Re:NSA 'compaining' about tails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat

    3. Re:NSA 'compaining' about tails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat "wat"? Learn you some literature, boy! The story, at it's root, is essentially about crocodile tears and what happens when you trust them.

      Simply put, what we know about NSA capabilities (eg, we know they are collecting massive amounts of "metadata" for internet connections, this is neither in dispute nor tinfoil hat territory) and what they claim about TOR is in direct conflict. With the metadata they have collected it's trivial to identify every single flow of data in TOR. You downloaded kiddy porn from some hidden service? They know. They saw you connect to A, A connect to B, B connect to C, C connect to D, D connect to E, E connect to the server they know has the kiddy porn because they've been watching all this time (everyone connecting to the server, that is. And probably the kiddy porn too). And then they watch it connect back to you. You posted your anti-American screed "anonymously"? They know. They saw your post and its timestamp, and they have the timestamps of all your connections.

      Boo hoo, don't use that TOR, it's so hard for us to figure out.

      Trust them and you're the one getting torn up in the briar patch.

  21. Amnesic? by caluml · · Score: 1

    The Amnesic Operating System. Shouldn't it be amnesiac? Or is this another English/American English difference like aluminium?

    1. Re:Amnesic? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      The Amnesic Operating System.

      Shouldn't it be amnesiac?

      Nope - an amnesiac is a noun that refers to a person suffering from amnesia; "amnesic" is an adjective that means "exhibits properties of amnesia," which can apply to more than just the human psyche.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    2. Re:Amnesic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, it's a part of speech difference. "Amnesiac" is a noun; "amnesic" is an adjective. On both sides of the pond.

    3. Re:Amnesic? by caluml · · Score: 1

      Interesting - so an amnesiac would also be amnesic? Are there any other words that have similar examples like this?

    4. Re:Amnesic? by un1nsp1red · · Score: 2

      A manic maniac?

  22. The government should pass a law! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Snowden would have had a much harder time had he been using legal Microsoft products.

    --
    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  23. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Lazere · · Score: 1

    "We cannot confirm or deny the existence of an organization allegedly named the NSA."

  24. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Turn on your Heartbleed,
    Let it shine, wherever you go
    Let it make a happy glow
    For the NSA to see...

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  25. What a shame by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    What do you bet that "Tails" used OpenSSL as part of its security?

    --
    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    1. Re:What a shame by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      It did, but a version that was NOT vulnerable to heartbleed since tails tracks debian-oldstable. Also, there is no use case for running a web server that people can exploit heartbleed on via tails.

    2. Re:What a shame by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      What about a use case for client software with library dependencies on OpenSSL?

      --
      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    3. Re:What a shame by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Can you explain how heartbleed would be exploited in such a circumstance?

    4. Re:What a shame by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Heartbleed is a server exploit

    5. Re:What a shame by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      True but I doubt that it matters that much since another client talking to the same vulnerable server could compromise the server keys and potentially allow intercepts of other client communications.

      --
      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    6. Re:What a shame by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Yes, it matters a lot and renders the use of OpenSSL in Tails being a security issue moot -- any client would have this issue. Additionally, Tails' security practices also enforce use of things like Perfect Forward Secrecy when available. Also, most Tor nodes utilize PFS between nodes. Again, Tails' security architecture helps defend users against zero-day exploits.

    7. Re:What a shame by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Just like a malicious client can suck data out of a vulnerable server, the same can work in reverse, though clients tend not to keep an SSL connection open any longer than they need to (unless, it's IMAPS or FTPS or chat or some other application with persistent connections).

      If you suck the private key out of a bank webserver's RAM, then perform a MITM attack on the bank users using the bank's own certificate, not only can you get their bank credentials (by them filling in the form and sending it to you), depending on the browser you may or may not be able to suck up other accounts from them (eg user logs into a credit card company site to see their bill, then logs into your fake bank to see if they can pay it).

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    8. Re:What a shame by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      Someone give this man a dollar (or an mBTC) for correctly describing Reverse Heartbleed. Luckily, Tails isn't affected by this.

    9. Re:What a shame by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Heartbleed is a server exploit

      Actually it can cut both ways.

      --
      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
    10. Re:What a shame by cffrost · · Score: 1
      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
  26. Having the souce Code does not make it safe by hduff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unless you compile from vetted source code on an un-compromised system using an un-compromised compiler, etc., you can't be certain the binary they provide is the same as what compiling the source code would provide.

    --
    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
    1. Re:Having the souce Code does not make it safe by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would assemble the system myself from discrete transistors, except that I can't be sure the NSA didn't drug me, drag me off and hypnotize me.

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    2. Re:Having the souce Code does not make it safe by olip85 · · Score: 1

      Unless you compile from vetted source code on an un-compromised system using an un-compromised compiler

      A very interesting (and quite short) read about that : Reflections on Trusting Trust

    3. Re:Having the souce Code does not make it safe by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Most of us are gonna have to trust someone at some point. We can't build our own CPUs out of sand, we have to hope that Intel didn't install an NSA sponsored backdoor. Fortunately all the evidence so far suggests that the NSA avoids creating pre-exploited hardware and firmware, instead relying on more subtle techniques like weakening encryption or making use of genuine bugs. Maybe they insert a few bugs too, but again the evidence suggests that using systems like Tails is pretty effective.

      At any rate, it seems to be far better than using Windows, even if I haven't personally audited the millions upon millions of lines of source code needed to build it.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re:Having the souce Code does not make it safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you will find you are merely a simulation in the NSA mainframe in any case, and they have access to your source.

  27. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    I had a few other questions as well...
    This does nothing to protect against tampered hardware (keyloggers, screen captures, etc.). If you're using USB, you also have to trust that you really only have a flash device in that circuitry. Plus, you have to trust that any certificates you use aren't compromised, any exit nodes you use don't belong to the NSA (a large number do), etc.

    All in all, this really only protects you if you weren't already a surveillance target and weren't using compromised systems.

    Still, it's better than the alternative. Just not "completely secure".

  28. Who's to say NSA didn't author TAILS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't this be the ultimate honeypot for the NSA to create? Since the authors are anonymous who's to say none of them weren't the NSA?

  29. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like a satan than a god.

    Seriously, what kind of a person would willingly work for such a vile organization? I'm guessing the kind of person that would fuck you over for 50 cents.

  30. Why doesn't TAILS use TRUCRYPT (or similar)? by corezz · · Score: 1

    I get the impression TAILS doesn't include a full system encryption on boot which means if the USB is discovered they could check whats on it. I assume Snowden wrote the retrieved data to the same usb stick. Maybe Trucrypt isn't available for linux distros but i am sure there are plenty of alternatives that do a similar full system os encryption.

    1. Re:Why doesn't TAILS use TRUCRYPT (or similar)? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Maybe Trucrypt isn't available for linux distros but i am sure there are plenty of alternatives that do a similar full system os encryption.

      I can think of one alternative on Linux, it's called Truecrypt with an "e".

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  31. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by sumdumass · · Score: 0

    Lol.. not only that, man in the middle, and that point about the NSA complaining so it isn't them strikes me odd. A lot of gay bashers are closet homosexuals complaining about the gays in order to stop you from thinking they are gay. It's one of the oldest forms of deciet- fake outrage while being behind it.

  32. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years ago I'd have immediately said that's conspiracy theory and dismissed it

    Then you weren't paying attention, depending on how long "a few years" is to you. The NSA did all sorts of crap decades ago, and there was strong and justified suspicion even back in 2005 that the NSA was conducting illegal surveillance.

  33. Trust No One by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 2

    Are you able to verify all of the distribution yourself? Are you able to vet the contributors? Are they able to vet each other? Is Tor really safe?

    It all comes down to a matter of degree but in the end... Trust No One

    1. Re:Trust No One by Nimey · · Score: 1

      In other words, don't use any technology unless you developed it yourself, smelted the raw materials yourself, &c.

      How much do you trust the evidence of your senses?

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    2. Re:Trust No One by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      You'll notice that al Qaeda has gone back to using couriers.

      I would say if you use technology which can compromise your location, communications or other private info and you do not want to share that then yes, you are making a mistake to assume safety unless you have personally vetted it. As noted earlier, it comes down to a matter of degree/risk assessment (ignoring that you may be terrible or unqualifed at assessing that) but that there is a non zero probability you have been compromised. And Trust No One should be your default policy, not trust those guys because, well they say the right thing and seem nice!

  34. Paranoia doesn't mean no one is out to get you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything which encourages better security is healthy.

    If paranoia about the NSA encourages better tools and more people to use them, fine with me!

  35. True Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way to be truly secure is to communicate using a computer that you bought for cash and is only used for that purpose, via someone else's internet connection using their wi-fi . Of course you would need to be careful not to be videoed while traveling to and from the wi-fi site.

    It doesn't matter if the feds can place something on your computer if they don't know where the computer is or who it belongs to.

  36. Whonix is another alternative by Nimey · · Score: 1

    https://www.whonix.org/

    Magnet links:
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:A031805E690BB0E03114A8FEB52485517218D3CE&dn=Whonix-Gateway-8.1.ova&tr=http%3a%2f%2fannounce.torrentsmd.com%3a6969%2fannounce&ws=http%3a%2f%2fwebseed.whonix.org%3a8008%2f8.1%2fWhonix-Gateway-8.1.ova

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:AB89247534553946C500EDF3A78E9C30F9C956ED&dn=Whonix-Workstation-8.1.ova&tr=http%3a%2f%2fannounce.torrentsmd.com%3a6969%2fannounce&ws=http%3a%2f%2fwebseed.whonix.org%3a8008%2f8.1%2fWhonix-Workstation-8.1.ova

    And here's the magnet link for Tails v0.23 for good measure:
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B7EE06A2568630EED830CFFBF45B6BFD5DE796D4&dn=tails-i386-0.23&tr=http%3a%2f%2ftorrent.gresille.org%2fannounce

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    1. Re:Whonix is another alternative by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Note that the above Whonices are vulnerable to Heartbleed, so you'll need to do an apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade once you've imported the VMs into VirtualBox.

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  37. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snowden, Your hero, is doing a bang up job over there in the USSR.

    I hope he gets a front line gig when they invade the West, you can greet him with flowers and candy.

  38. That's because you're a lazy SOB... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tails in fact *DOES* have a persistent storage option for installing on a usb thumb drive (and in fact will refuse to install/upgrade if you try and install it on a Hard Disk, although there's no technical reason you couldn't). It then creates a fat32 primary partition which contains the 'livecd' part of the filesystem, making it easy to upgrade, and then has a secondary partition which may be configured from the desktop as Persistent storage (normally the rest of the disk unless you manually partitioned) which is password protected with some potentially immeasurably long password you set for it.

    So yes, Tails does allow both persistent and non-persistent operation.

    In fact the only *REAL* issue with Tails is that without swap space, you're limited to what apps you can cram into memory, and if you cram in too many the system will hang. Not an issue if you're just going to have one web browser and a pidgin session running. But dozens of tabs, i2p, or a large and active pidgin session might hang the system forcing you to either kill X or restart the computer.

    It does however make tor, i2p, etc dead simple to use. The killer OS imho in regards to p2p network topologies, as well as turnkey filesystem security.

  39. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by kefkahax · · Score: 1

    One of the ways the NSA (and other organizations) have benefited from the leaks is the fear instilled in those that would otherwise speak out about injustice/corruption/etc..

  40. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by nobuddy · · Score: 1

    How much do they pay you for these NSA flagellation? I'd like a second income, and it appears you don't have to put any effort into it at all.

  41. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Don't know who did 9-11? No carrier

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  42. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by sneakyimp · · Score: 1

    TAILS sounds like a honeypot to me. What's wrong with just booting off a KNOPPIX CD-ROM or an Ubuntu CD-ROM? I expect some stuff might get written to a tmp directory somewhere but you could always shred any files there before rebooting the machine.

  43. nitpick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Tails is a kind of computer-in-a-box

    Obligatory neckbeard remark: all computers I've seen were operating in a box of sorts.

    Except for that tangled mess that I made once on the table, just for testing purposes.

  44. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by fractoid · · Score: 2

    Just physically unplug the hard drive before booting off a live CD? I have to admit, though, that my first reaction was also "Anonymously produced live CD promises to protect your secrets? Sounds legit."

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  45. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Sort of my first thought... he used this secure software to thwart the NSA, while the NSA supposedly 'owned' OpenSSL that the software likely used. Kind of ironic.

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  46. GRUB2 Iso Boot by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

    Has anyone tried to boot tails from the grub2 menu yet? I do know archbang does not work. Otherwise it should be easy.

  47. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by fizzer06 · · Score: 1

    In the novel "1984", Big Brother made sure you knew you were being watched.

  48. News: NSA hired person good at security by ignavus · · Score: 1

    "Fire him! He's too clever for us!"

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  49. Re:The NSA is becoming a new God for "True Believe by Johann+Lau · · Score: 2

    It was not his choice to get stuck there, the US govt pretty much made sure. You know, even getting the Swiss to force down the plane of a president and search it, because he might be on board... really, your comment is unintentionally ironic: the invasion already happened -- that is, your external enemies ain't shit compared to the internal ones you bred yourself -- and it's YOU who is bending over and cheering.

  50. Old fashion... by geogob · · Score: 1

    How about just sending the stuff by snail mail? I'd bet my cup of coffee that they completely lost the expertise and interest on this form of communication.

  51. If the NSA doesn't like Tails they will target it. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    They will put developers to work on the open source code who will "accidentally" insert bugs that open holes in the security -like the hole that was recently discovered in https. Tails may have been a problem for them in the past, but with the NSA's nearly infinite budget it seems unlikely that Tails would remain a problem for long.

  52. more idiotic every day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    computer-in-a-box? is that how you explain a live cd to a tech crowd?

  53. Harry Tuttle by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Well, personally my first thought after reading the summary was "but how do you trust the BIOS?" A few years ago I'd have immediately said that's conspiracy theory and dismissed it (along with the other items you listed). But after a year of exposure to the Snowden and RSA revelations and everything else, it pains me to say these NSA questions aren't so far fetched any more.

    We need a Harry Tuttle to show up at night in our apts to offer us an alternative BIOS chip.

  54. For real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to out spook the spooks? Compared to their espionage skill set, their coding skills are pretty poor (sic).
    For all we know, the Open Source movement is one big front for the spooks.
    To quote George Smiley, "in my world we call that a good cover".

  55. All warfare is based on deception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the Big Picture

  56. Then the game ends and ... by Dabido · · Score: 1

    All your Tails are belong to us - NSA.

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