Since the thread is rather long I'm clipping out a few parts to continue. Thank you for maintaining a progressive dialogue. Bringing up children is still an appeal to emotion, so I'm removing it. Let us be fair in dialogue and call them "innocents" or something. Let us also be fair and acknowledge that all sides have killed innocents.
And I never claimed Assad was the only bad guy, at this point him retaining power might be the least horrible outcome.
If you only show half of the issue, it at least implies that Assad is the only thing wrong. Our media and politicians are painting this same exact picture. The "horrible" is a matter of your opinion and not necessarily factual or historically correct when it comes to Syria. Lets ask a couple pertinent questions related specifically to the Wesley Clark statements.
1. What triggered a sudden change in 8 middle east counties all having sudden revolutions?
You could claim "Dictator", but lets ask then why is Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the only large nations immune to this? You might claim "brutality" but again you are forced to ignore that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are immune to public scrutiny and are at least as brutal as Assad. You are also ignoring Qatar and Egypt that are backed by the US and NATO (hence Canada). You could claim Religious leadership, but then you ignore every country in the Middle East including Israel. Something else must be going on.
2. Where did all of the "protest" come from that became revolutionary? Again you have numerous countries that start experiencing similar problems around the same time. Then you have countries in the middle of that which are immune. Pure coincidence is impossible.
The terrorists showed up when the conflict escalated. I don't doubt Assad didn't change, when things were good he tried to be a good dictator by western standards, when he was exposed to a serious threat to his power he reacted with a brutal suppression. And we might be watching different media as I follow a lot of non-MSM, but for me Assad became a bad guy after a lengthy period of torture and killings against non-violent protesters.
You are claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood is "new" in Syria and only showed up after the protests? If so, that is absolutely wrong and completely distorted. Assad has been fighting terrorists in his own country for decades with that name. The name "FSA" is new, but are the players any different than what Assad had been previously fighting?
Now, if you check the above and find I'm correct then your assumption that Assad is torturing and killing non-violent protesters is plain old wrong.
I think you're misremembering how bad Bush was. I know all about Obama's lies along with lack of torture prosecutions, abuse of state secrets act, etc. But he's definitely not the warmonger Bush was. And I'm not sure how he's escalated clandestine wars aside from the increased drone strikes.
If a person behaves differently than their rhetoric, they are a liar. If Obama's actions are no different than Bush, then he is the same warmonger. Black ops and corporate mercenaries have increased as have clandestine drone attacks. So Obama is more of a warmonger than Bush when you take away his lies. I do remember how bad Bush was, both of them in fact. I also remember how bad the last 40 years of presidents have been on domestic policy.
Where did I say we should intervene in Syria? I never said that. Assad is a bastard but I don't see how we (well you, I'm Canadian) can do anything to fix that situation. US bombing is almost certain to make things worse.
We agree on the first part, but that's not what you started with. The middle is a matter of opinion that I don't agree with. Ad hominem attacks are not true "because" and historically and politically I can't say I agree. Col Gaddafi was a prick in the past, Assad is nothing like him. The last part of
First, save the "for the children" fallacy arguments that US politicians spew. Death of innocents is just that.
You missed the point. My argument wasn't "destroy Assad he's killing the children!!", I was pointing out that the revolution turned violent in part because Assad incited the population by torturing kids to death.
Bull, go back and read what you said. You specifically called out children being killed as an appeal to emotion. Same crap propaganda media is doing, think before you write. If you wish to claim innocent deaths, make sure that you include all of the innocents killed by the rebels in your examples. They have been slaughtering Christian's and Jews, ransacking and desecrating temples and churches too. It's not one side that's a bad guy, so your view is extremely distorted and one sided.
Second, there is a whole lot of information backing the claims you responded to. Did you see how John Kerry a few years ago was at a nice party with Assad? Back 3 years ago, Syria was known as the most progressive nation in the Middle East and a "good guy". Syria allowed women to drive and work, had no Sharia courts or Sharia laws. Syria minded their own business and did it very well.
Yes. Assad was a nice western educated guy and before things got serious he seemed to be doing a good job. So what? Do you think he's just a misunderstood nice guy? Do you think the entire war is a conspiracy? What's the point?
The point is that it is very possible that Assad never changed from when he was friendly to the west. Fighting a sudden surge of armed terrorists in your own country makes you obviously behave differently, but is it genuine to think that his philosophy changed overnight? I find it more possible that our media after successfully toppling other countries in the region changed their spin on Assad and Syria. Call it a draw if you wish, but it's nonsense to ignore facts and history.
Listen to what Wesley Clark says here.
Yeah the Bush administration were warmongers who went into Iraq for no good reason, made a strong push to go into Iran, and basically wanted to invade the whole middle east and implement democracy by force.
What does this have to do with what's happening now? For all Obama's flaws he's not that style of neocon.
Obama is no different than Bush, except in rhetoric and his rhetoric does not match his actions. The Patriot act was renewed not renounced. Wars have gone clandestine, not stopped. Gitmo was not closed, no bankers went on trial, etc.. etc.. The guy has been caught lying more than any other US President in history. He bold faced lied 3 days before the NSA story broke and told you he did not allow spying on Citizens. Google search that one, no citation is necessary. There are web sited dedicated to just tallying up all of his lies.
Do some research on the subject if you dare. I have no confidence that you will, but don't denounce people with a different opinion with ad hominem. There are plenty of facts countering your position. No, I'm not going to condense a year worth of reading into a list of citations for you. One citation is enough to get you started.
Well I have done research, and you haven't even provided a single relevant citation or argument. You think Wesley Clark talking about the plan of a completely disgraced administration from over a decade ago means the leader of the other party who ran as Bush's opposite is going to do the same thing??
I mean what is your actual argument. You've thrown out some weird conspiracy theories but I don't even know what your point is. Assad is really a good guy? Assad is a bad guy but we're already waging the war to get rid of him? What?
You have not done much in the way of research, sorry. I won't claim Assad is good, but quite frankly it's no
I keep getting the feeling that hollywood was trying to tell us about this for decades but we weren't listening because we thought it was entertainment and wouldn't believe it would happen to us. The movies of the last few decades sure described a lot of the current issues. Either that or hollywood was trying to program us to be insensitive to the changes.
There is some counter thought to that which I find interesting (entertaining), though you may consider this too far off the map. The thoughts are along the lines of the take over of the US not being just about money but by occultists. In their doctrine, they must announce what they do before doing it. There are many people that look at events like the Super Bowl and try to determine what false flag events are going to occur because of the half time show. There are some youtube videos of Olympic game ceremonies that claim to show how 7/7 and 9/11 were predictable in the shows, or at least specific events within those tragedies were clearly shown ahead of time.
I should add that if you are weak minded you probably would not do well digging into that information. Personally I'm a realist and believe that since we don't know "who" is running us into the ground or "why" no theory is proven. If we can overthrow the people pushing us toward Tyranny we will see who is right.
An optimist claims the glass is half full, a pessimist claims the glass is half empty, the realist claims the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.
Why don't we just declare war on war? By definition this would be a war with no end. And anyone who opposed it would obviously be a traitor. Shock and awe... some!
Been there and done that. WW I was "the war to end all wars" remember? WW II had a similar sales pitch in certain markets.
First, save the "for the children" fallacy arguments that US politicians spew. Death of innocents is just that.
Second, there is a whole lot of information backing the claims you responded to. Did you see how John Kerry a few years ago was at a nice party with Assad? Back 3 years ago, Syria was known as the most progressive nation in the Middle East and a "good guy". Syria allowed women to drive and work, had no Sharia courts or Sharia laws. Syria minded their own business and did it very well.
Do some research on the subject if you dare. I have no confidence that you will, but don't denounce people with a different opinion with ad hominem. There are plenty of facts countering your position. No, I'm not going to condense a year worth of reading into a list of citations for you. One citation is enough to get you started.
And she does diddly squat, we might toss out the monarchy entirely when she dies though frankly we don't really care.
She collects a nice fat paycheck from the Citizens, so she does do something. I suspect her actions have lots of laughing and wine drinking while she looks down her nose at all the peons paying her. You should care, but claim you don't. Interesting.
We're still just as free and independent as you.
Since your PM conspires with US businesses to undermine the Canadian economy and law just like the US politicians do, I agree.
A law may not be passed which nullifies the Constitution, that is the Law of the Land. No matter how many Op-Ed pieces you post claiming otherwise, go back and read what the Law is. The only way to modify the Constitution is by an amendment process. This requires all 3 branches to approve of the change in Law. Obama's NDA statement allowing indefinite detention of US Citizens without trial is Unconstitutional, period. No matter what a lower court claims, it denies people's Constitutional rights. The same can be said with NSA demanding data on Citizens not under suspicion and with "proper" warrants. A rubber stamp court bypasses the Constitution, and is illegal.
People's "opinions" are not Law. If you believe an Op-Ed piece over documents that were signed into law you are an idiot.
I would not believe that the NSA itself cares about Slashdot, but rather the people controlling the NSA do. Not just Slashdot mind you, but any site where there is dissent and visible traffic.
Proving that claim is nearly impossible. Slashdot would have to start publishing AC IP addresses so that people could find who's posting. Many services would skew those addresses, so "proof" would be sporadic at best.
If you look at how many agent provocateurs there are in public events and how "police" try to plant drugs on activists, it is not hard to imagine that a few flunkies are paid to spread FUD and distort comments on highly visible sites like Slashdot or Reddit.
Citation is required for the above, so here is one. Pay attention to the bald guy next to Adam (in the brown sports coat) in a black T-Shirt, and follow what he's doing at the 38 second mark. This is just one of thousands of examples. If they can buy illegal drugs and pay police to try and plant evidence, what would prevent them from paying a flunky to make posts? If they waste time at a small rally with less than 50 protesters, would they waste time on a site that gets millions of hits a day?
When it came to light in 2007 why was it tamped down and not dealt with? Is there a history that needs to be audited to explain why it drifted (was pushed?) back into obscurity? Perhaps there's even more value in investigating this. Could there be agents that need to be identified and rooted out?
Because the same corrupt people doing bullshit like this own the media, and have sock puppets for sites like/.. How hard is it for them to currently push things off the front page by submitting numerous seemingly technical articles? How hard is it for people to divert traffic to a "we hate microsoft" thread? I would say just as hard as it is for TV to divert your attention from Syria by showing a nearly naked teenager humping teddy bears.
Hopefully, after all is said and done people catch on and stop falling for the games.
Stop making up stories! Show me one quote from myself, or in fact on ae911truth.org that claims that "The government killed those people". Yes, I question your mental health when you fabricate information and use that as a point of argument.
In essence, you are simply arguing with yourself because you make up fairy tales. I actually have pity on you because you are mentally ill. My request for you to "go fuck yourself" stands, it should not take much pleasure to satisfy such a small mind.
Too many threads on this, apologies for not getting back quicker. You are correct this was Israel bombing Iraq and not Iran, I was mistaken.
There has been a lot of bombings and sabotage of Iran's nuclear programs and time lines for activities in Iraq and Iran often overlap. Israel is blamed, as well as the US, in the bombings and assassinations of scientists. Outside of blame I have never seen proof that Mossad or the CIA were involved.
Not at all, just that such pacts and Iran's well documented past and present activities as regards proxy war makes the subject of this particular news item not exactly far fetched and in fact quite likely. Whether or not it is actually true is anyone's guess.
I'm really curious to see some facts along this line. I have read a lot of propaganda, but not seen any facts (as I mentioned above). Hezbollah being armed does not automatically implicate Iran. There are numerous potential backers for them, including Russia and China (though the former is more likely than the latter).
I was mistaken about Opera, Google search did not show me a hit regarding an open bombing of Iran so my memory was wrong regarding the public bombing. That said, there are numerous reports of Israel sabotaging Iran's nuclear programs. I simply searched for "israel bombs iran nuclear facility"
Anyway the whole situation with Syria/Iran and the whole region is dangerously close to spiralling out of control now and there seems to be no viable way out of it.
The way out is to leave it alone and make sure other big nations leave it alone. Write/Call your Congressman and Senators and tell them to stay the F&$k out! If they refuse and bomb to save political face, recall and get people in office that have no desire for the childish backing of a threat.
I have no problem with you living in a fantasy being afraid of evidence, physics, and facts. What I have problems with are your demand that everyone should live in your fantasy land.
There may be some medication to help you, but I have no hope that you have enough intestinal fortitude to visit a doctor and question your mental health.
I am doubtful you understand correlation, but lets see how slow you really are.
There have been numerous books and movies about JFKs assassination showing the Government did not tell the truth about what happened. None of those movies or books claim "The Government did it!" They use facts and evidence to point out that the story released can not be correct.
The same exact situation exists with groups like ae911truth.org. There are thousands of architects, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, and physicists presenting facts and evidence to show that what the Government released is not correct. They have run simulation after simulation and can't get similar results. None of them claim that "The Government did it!". I personally have never claimed that "The Government did it." either. Go back through post history. In fact I'm positive we have had this same argument before. You are either too ignorant to realize that you are a liar when you falsely state people blame the government, or you are a puppet spewing propaganda.
You have never refuted a single fact I showed, in fact you repeatedly claim "truly does dishonor the dead". You live in a fantasy land refusing facts!
Again, you repeat an ad hominem instead of refuting facts. Your lies about refuting evidence that you refused to review are disgusting.
Since you are now a liar, as well as full of ad hominem kindly go fuck yourself.
I do think Iran has an overall distate for direct conflict after losing a chunk of it's young male population during their batshit crazy war with Iraq.
I think it's important to note that Iraq invaded Iran, and Iraq used chemical weapons on both civilians and Iranians during this conflict. Your statement "batshit crazy war" was probably a generalization regarding the whole war, but could imply that Iran was the "crazy" ones in that conflict.
Wiki Operation Opera for a start. Google "Israel bombs Iran". Israel also bombed Syria this year, but you may have known that one. I agree that these are acts of war.
You are correct that it was Taliban and not Al Qada, however the two were joined at the hip at the onset of the gulf war.
That does not change or refute my point. I do realize that Bin Laden was wanted by US intelligence, however there was never a formal declaration for extradition until just prior to the invasion of Afghanistan. The one time that the US took real legal channels, the US refused to follow through with their own legal obligations.
Interestingly, the US could have had Bin Laden many times. For example the US could have asked the Saudi government to arrest him on one of his many trips to see his family. Clinton if you remember had an opportunity to have him killed, and didn't. There were other opportunities as well, those are two off the top of my head.
You never refute anything but the title. Please refute any of the information on ae911truth.org, I would enjoy an intellectual debate about the facts and positions available from the work of thousands of architects and engineers.
You don't refute anything I claim, you whine about my signature over and over again. Now you whine about them using the same terms in their title and not what they present.
Attacking someone by ad hominem is not the same as attacking their points. You don't do the latter, because you lack the intellectual capacity to think beyond a simple ad hominem. You have shown your lack of intellect repeatedly. You have refused to review facts because "it dishonors the dead". It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone that lives in a fantasy world. You bore me dbill! There is no challenge in showing you how intellectually challenged you are! Now go back to the porn channel or what ever it is you do when you are not trolling here.
Then you've been looking the wrong way - Iran has for a long time waged war through its proxies, Hezbollah for example being the main Iranian weapon which it has used many times to bomb Israel and Israeli/Jewish civilians around the world on numerous occasions. There is nothing innocent about Iran, they have plenty of blood on their hands and the extreme islamist regime there is plenty evil without any help from the west.
Iranian involvement by proxy is the same as the CIA isn't it? The US Government does not admit to CIA involvement, nor does any other agency of a similar nature. We have stories of their works, but little in the way of facts. Would it be easy for a big Government like the UK or US to use their own operations and blame a small nation? This happens, and this is why all nations should denounce black operations and all citizens should denounce secret works by their own Government.
Given the above, the problem is really that Iran does not openly attack people. We do, the UK does, Israel does, Russia does, and even China does.
Israel bombed Iranian nuclear facilities twice in the open. See operation Opera for a start..
I don't know how true it is but it certainly does not surprise me since for a start it follows their usual method of getting their proxies to do the dirty work and secondly, perhaps more importantly
Pot, Kettle, and all that stuff. If we could clear our own CIA and Black Ops as innocent I would not feel the same. Our agencies have been proven to lie over and over again to start wars and conflicts. I'm not claiming I trust Iran or Syria, I'm claiming we can't trust that our agencies are innocent.
perhaps more importantly - Iran and Syria have a number of widely publicised mutual [theguardian.com] self-defence [haaretz.com] pacts [wikipedia.org] for just such a situation so Iran is now obligated to join the fight with Syria if/when the US attacks.
Are you implying that defense pacts are evil? Are two kids fighting back against a school yard bully evil as well? We should have a unified approach to how this works. The US uses defense pacts and allies, so are we evil? If none of those questions are true, then I'm really not sure why you are pointing out their defense pact.
Secondarily, claiming that we are 98% the same as chimpanzees is an absurd correlation used to dehumanize people, considering the length of DNA.
Wrong. You're a primate, and a lot of your behaviour is very typical for primates. So am I, and so is mine, for that matter.
Since you don't understand your own species, you obviously fall for the fallacy. Even lacking critical thinking abilities you are still human. It should only take reading a few articles on psychology to deduce that you (and all other humans) are much more than your DNA sequence.
What a shock to see you dbill! More personal attacks, wow I'm so shocked. You don't dispute the site, nor it's information, you just don't like anyone to use the title. Please go back to what ever small minded task you were previously doing and leave complex thoughts for the big boys.
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Since the thread is rather long I'm clipping out a few parts to continue. Thank you for maintaining a progressive dialogue. Bringing up children is still an appeal to emotion, so I'm removing it. Let us be fair in dialogue and call them "innocents" or something. Let us also be fair and acknowledge that all sides have killed innocents.
And I never claimed Assad was the only bad guy, at this point him retaining power might be the least horrible outcome.
If you only show half of the issue, it at least implies that Assad is the only thing wrong. Our media and politicians are painting this same exact picture. The "horrible" is a matter of your opinion and not necessarily factual or historically correct when it comes to Syria. Lets ask a couple pertinent questions related specifically to the Wesley Clark statements.
1. What triggered a sudden change in 8 middle east counties all having sudden revolutions?
You could claim "Dictator", but lets ask then why is Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the only large nations immune to this? You might claim "brutality" but again you are forced to ignore that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are immune to public scrutiny and are at least as brutal as Assad. You are also ignoring Qatar and Egypt that are backed by the US and NATO (hence Canada). You could claim Religious leadership, but then you ignore every country in the Middle East including Israel. Something else must be going on.
2. Where did all of the "protest" come from that became revolutionary? Again you have numerous countries that start experiencing similar problems around the same time. Then you have countries in the middle of that which are immune. Pure coincidence is impossible.
The terrorists showed up when the conflict escalated. I don't doubt Assad didn't change, when things were good he tried to be a good dictator by western standards, when he was exposed to a serious threat to his power he reacted with a brutal suppression. And we might be watching different media as I follow a lot of non-MSM, but for me Assad became a bad guy after a lengthy period of torture and killings against non-violent protesters.
You are claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood is "new" in Syria and only showed up after the protests? If so, that is absolutely wrong and completely distorted. Assad has been fighting terrorists in his own country for decades with that name. The name "FSA" is new, but are the players any different than what Assad had been previously fighting?
Now, if you check the above and find I'm correct then your assumption that Assad is torturing and killing non-violent protesters is plain old wrong.
I think you're misremembering how bad Bush was. I know all about Obama's lies along with lack of torture prosecutions, abuse of state secrets act, etc. But he's definitely not the warmonger Bush was. And I'm not sure how he's escalated clandestine wars aside from the increased drone strikes.
If a person behaves differently than their rhetoric, they are a liar. If Obama's actions are no different than Bush, then he is the same warmonger. Black ops and corporate mercenaries have increased as have clandestine drone attacks. So Obama is more of a warmonger than Bush when you take away his lies. I do remember how bad Bush was, both of them in fact. I also remember how bad the last 40 years of presidents have been on domestic policy.
Where did I say we should intervene in Syria? I never said that. Assad is a bastard but I don't see how we (well you, I'm Canadian) can do anything to fix that situation. US bombing is almost certain to make things worse.
We agree on the first part, but that's not what you started with. The middle is a matter of opinion that I don't agree with. Ad hominem attacks are not true "because" and historically and politically I can't say I agree. Col Gaddafi was a prick in the past, Assad is nothing like him. The last part of
First, save the "for the children" fallacy arguments that US politicians spew. Death of innocents is just that.
You missed the point. My argument wasn't "destroy Assad he's killing the children!!", I was pointing out that the revolution turned violent in part because Assad incited the population by torturing kids to death.
Bull, go back and read what you said. You specifically called out children being killed as an appeal to emotion. Same crap propaganda media is doing, think before you write. If you wish to claim innocent deaths, make sure that you include all of the innocents killed by the rebels in your examples. They have been slaughtering Christian's and Jews, ransacking and desecrating temples and churches too. It's not one side that's a bad guy, so your view is extremely distorted and one sided.
Second, there is a whole lot of information backing the claims you responded to. Did you see how John Kerry a few years ago was at a nice party with Assad? Back 3 years ago, Syria was known as the most progressive nation in the Middle East and a "good guy". Syria allowed women to drive and work, had no Sharia courts or Sharia laws. Syria minded their own business and did it very well.
Yes. Assad was a nice western educated guy and before things got serious he seemed to be doing a good job. So what? Do you think he's just a misunderstood nice guy? Do you think the entire war is a conspiracy? What's the point?
The point is that it is very possible that Assad never changed from when he was friendly to the west. Fighting a sudden surge of armed terrorists in your own country makes you obviously behave differently, but is it genuine to think that his philosophy changed overnight? I find it more possible that our media after successfully toppling other countries in the region changed their spin on Assad and Syria. Call it a draw if you wish, but it's nonsense to ignore facts and history.
Listen to what Wesley Clark says here.
Yeah the Bush administration were warmongers who went into Iraq for no good reason, made a strong push to go into Iran, and basically wanted to invade the whole middle east and implement democracy by force.
What does this have to do with what's happening now? For all Obama's flaws he's not that style of neocon.
Obama is no different than Bush, except in rhetoric and his rhetoric does not match his actions. The Patriot act was renewed not renounced. Wars have gone clandestine, not stopped. Gitmo was not closed, no bankers went on trial, etc.. etc.. The guy has been caught lying more than any other US President in history. He bold faced lied 3 days before the NSA story broke and told you he did not allow spying on Citizens. Google search that one, no citation is necessary. There are web sited dedicated to just tallying up all of his lies.
Do some research on the subject if you dare. I have no confidence that you will, but don't denounce people with a different opinion with ad hominem. There are plenty of facts countering your position. No, I'm not going to condense a year worth of reading into a list of citations for you. One citation is enough to get you started.
Well I have done research, and you haven't even provided a single relevant citation or argument. You think Wesley Clark talking about the plan of a completely disgraced administration from over a decade ago means the leader of the other party who ran as Bush's opposite is going to do the same thing??
I mean what is your actual argument. You've thrown out some weird conspiracy theories but I don't even know what your point is. Assad is really a good guy? Assad is a bad guy but we're already waging the war to get rid of him? What?
You have not done much in the way of research, sorry. I won't claim Assad is good, but quite frankly it's no
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I keep getting the feeling that hollywood was trying to tell us about this for decades but we weren't listening because we thought it was entertainment and wouldn't believe it would happen to us. The movies of the last few decades sure described a lot of the current issues. Either that or hollywood was trying to program us to be insensitive to the changes.
There is some counter thought to that which I find interesting (entertaining), though you may consider this too far off the map. The thoughts are along the lines of the take over of the US not being just about money but by occultists. In their doctrine, they must announce what they do before doing it. There are many people that look at events like the Super Bowl and try to determine what false flag events are going to occur because of the half time show. There are some youtube videos of Olympic game ceremonies that claim to show how 7/7 and 9/11 were predictable in the shows, or at least specific events within those tragedies were clearly shown ahead of time.
I should add that if you are weak minded you probably would not do well digging into that information. Personally I'm a realist and believe that since we don't know "who" is running us into the ground or "why" no theory is proven. If we can overthrow the people pushing us toward Tyranny we will see who is right.
An optimist claims the glass is half full, a pessimist claims the glass is half empty, the realist claims the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.
It's on youtube, watch the video! Youtube "miley cyrus vma 2013"
Why don't we just declare war on war? By definition this would be a war with no end. And anyone who opposed it would obviously be a traitor. Shock and awe ... some!
Been there and done that. WW I was "the war to end all wars" remember? WW II had a similar sales pitch in certain markets.
First, save the "for the children" fallacy arguments that US politicians spew. Death of innocents is just that.
Second, there is a whole lot of information backing the claims you responded to. Did you see how John Kerry a few years ago was at a nice party with Assad? Back 3 years ago, Syria was known as the most progressive nation in the Middle East and a "good guy". Syria allowed women to drive and work, had no Sharia courts or Sharia laws. Syria minded their own business and did it very well.
Listen to what Wesley Clark says here.
Do some research on the subject if you dare. I have no confidence that you will, but don't denounce people with a different opinion with ad hominem. There are plenty of facts countering your position. No, I'm not going to condense a year worth of reading into a list of citations for you. One citation is enough to get you started.
And she does diddly squat, we might toss out the monarchy entirely when she dies though frankly we don't really care.
She collects a nice fat paycheck from the Citizens, so she does do something. I suspect her actions have lots of laughing and wine drinking while she looks down her nose at all the peons paying her. You should care, but claim you don't. Interesting.
We're still just as free and independent as you.
Since your PM conspires with US businesses to undermine the Canadian economy and law just like the US politicians do, I agree.
Citizens United made Corporations people, you may be on to something!!
A law may not be passed which nullifies the Constitution, that is the Law of the Land. No matter how many Op-Ed pieces you post claiming otherwise, go back and read what the Law is. The only way to modify the Constitution is by an amendment process. This requires all 3 branches to approve of the change in Law. Obama's NDA statement allowing indefinite detention of US Citizens without trial is Unconstitutional, period. No matter what a lower court claims, it denies people's Constitutional rights. The same can be said with NSA demanding data on Citizens not under suspicion and with "proper" warrants. A rubber stamp court bypasses the Constitution, and is illegal.
People's "opinions" are not Law. If you believe an Op-Ed piece over documents that were signed into law you are an idiot.
I would not believe that the NSA itself cares about Slashdot, but rather the people controlling the NSA do. Not just Slashdot mind you, but any site where there is dissent and visible traffic.
Proving that claim is nearly impossible. Slashdot would have to start publishing AC IP addresses so that people could find who's posting. Many services would skew those addresses, so "proof" would be sporadic at best.
If you look at how many agent provocateurs there are in public events and how "police" try to plant drugs on activists, it is not hard to imagine that a few flunkies are paid to spread FUD and distort comments on highly visible sites like Slashdot or Reddit.
Citation is required for the above, so here is one. Pay attention to the bald guy next to Adam (in the brown sports coat) in a black T-Shirt, and follow what he's doing at the 38 second mark. This is just one of thousands of examples. If they can buy illegal drugs and pay police to try and plant evidence, what would prevent them from paying a flunky to make posts? If they waste time at a small rally with less than 50 protesters, would they waste time on a site that gets millions of hits a day?
When it came to light in 2007 why was it tamped down and not dealt with? Is there a history that needs to be audited to explain why it drifted (was pushed?) back into obscurity? Perhaps there's even more value in investigating this. Could there be agents that need to be identified and rooted out?
Because the same corrupt people doing bullshit like this own the media, and have sock puppets for sites like /.. How hard is it for them to currently push things off the front page by submitting numerous seemingly technical articles? How hard is it for people to divert traffic to a "we hate microsoft" thread? I would say just as hard as it is for TV to divert your attention from Syria by showing a nearly naked teenager humping teddy bears.
Hopefully, after all is said and done people catch on and stop falling for the games.
Stop making up stories! Show me one quote from myself, or in fact on ae911truth.org that claims that "The government killed those people". Yes, I question your mental health when you fabricate information and use that as a point of argument.
In essence, you are simply arguing with yourself because you make up fairy tales. I actually have pity on you because you are mentally ill. My request for you to "go fuck yourself" stands, it should not take much pleasure to satisfy such a small mind.
Too many threads on this, apologies for not getting back quicker. You are correct this was Israel bombing Iraq and not Iran, I was mistaken.
There has been a lot of bombings and sabotage of Iran's nuclear programs and time lines for activities in Iraq and Iran often overlap. Israel is blamed, as well as the US, in the bombings and assassinations of scientists. Outside of blame I have never seen proof that Mossad or the CIA were involved.
Not at all, just that such pacts and Iran's well documented past and present activities as regards proxy war makes the subject of this particular news item not exactly far fetched and in fact quite likely. Whether or not it is actually true is anyone's guess.
I'm really curious to see some facts along this line. I have read a lot of propaganda, but not seen any facts (as I mentioned above). Hezbollah being armed does not automatically implicate Iran. There are numerous potential backers for them, including Russia and China (though the former is more likely than the latter).
I was mistaken about Opera, Google search did not show me a hit regarding an open bombing of Iran so my memory was wrong regarding the public bombing. That said, there are numerous reports of Israel sabotaging Iran's nuclear programs. I simply searched for "israel bombs iran nuclear facility"
Anyway the whole situation with Syria/Iran and the whole region is dangerously close to spiralling out of control now and there seems to be no viable way out of it.
The way out is to leave it alone and make sure other big nations leave it alone. Write/Call your Congressman and Senators and tell them to stay the F&$k out! If they refuse and bomb to save political face, recall and get people in office that have no desire for the childish backing of a threat.
I have no problem with you living in a fantasy being afraid of evidence, physics, and facts. What I have problems with are your demand that everyone should live in your fantasy land.
There may be some medication to help you, but I have no hope that you have enough intestinal fortitude to visit a doctor and question your mental health.
I am doubtful you understand correlation, but lets see how slow you really are.
There have been numerous books and movies about JFKs assassination showing the Government did not tell the truth about what happened. None of those movies or books claim "The Government did it!" They use facts and evidence to point out that the story released can not be correct.
The same exact situation exists with groups like ae911truth.org. There are thousands of architects, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, and physicists presenting facts and evidence to show that what the Government released is not correct. They have run simulation after simulation and can't get similar results. None of them claim that "The Government did it!". I personally have never claimed that "The Government did it." either. Go back through post history. In fact I'm positive we have had this same argument before. You are either too ignorant to realize that you are a liar when you falsely state people blame the government, or you are a puppet spewing propaganda.
You have never refuted a single fact I showed, in fact you repeatedly claim " truly does dishonor the dead ". You live in a fantasy land refusing facts!
Again, you repeat an ad hominem instead of refuting facts. Your lies about refuting evidence that you refused to review are disgusting.
Since you are now a liar, as well as full of ad hominem kindly go fuck yourself.
I do think Iran has an overall distate for direct conflict after losing a chunk of it's young male population during their batshit crazy war with Iraq.
I think it's important to note that Iraq invaded Iran, and Iraq used chemical weapons on both civilians and Iranians during this conflict. Your statement "batshit crazy war" was probably a generalization regarding the whole war, but could imply that Iran was the "crazy" ones in that conflict.
Wiki Operation Opera for a start. Google "Israel bombs Iran". Israel also bombed Syria this year, but you may have known that one. I agree that these are acts of war.
You are correct that it was Taliban and not Al Qada, however the two were joined at the hip at the onset of the gulf war.
That does not change or refute my point. I do realize that Bin Laden was wanted by US intelligence, however there was never a formal declaration for extradition until just prior to the invasion of Afghanistan. The one time that the US took real legal channels, the US refused to follow through with their own legal obligations.
Interestingly, the US could have had Bin Laden many times. For example the US could have asked the Saudi government to arrest him on one of his many trips to see his family. Clinton if you remember had an opportunity to have him killed, and didn't. There were other opportunities as well, those are two off the top of my head.
You are correct.
You never refute anything but the title. Please refute any of the information on ae911truth.org, I would enjoy an intellectual debate about the facts and positions available from the work of thousands of architects and engineers.
You don't refute anything I claim, you whine about my signature over and over again. Now you whine about them using the same terms in their title and not what they present.
Attacking someone by ad hominem is not the same as attacking their points. You don't do the latter, because you lack the intellectual capacity to think beyond a simple ad hominem. You have shown your lack of intellect repeatedly. You have refused to review facts because "it dishonors the dead". It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone that lives in a fantasy world. You bore me dbill! There is no challenge in showing you how intellectually challenged you are! Now go back to the porn channel or what ever it is you do when you are not trolling here.
Then you've been looking the wrong way - Iran has for a long time waged war through its proxies, Hezbollah for example being the main Iranian weapon which it has used many times to bomb Israel and Israeli/Jewish civilians around the world on numerous occasions. There is nothing innocent about Iran, they have plenty of blood on their hands and the extreme islamist regime there is plenty evil without any help from the west.
Iranian involvement by proxy is the same as the CIA isn't it? The US Government does not admit to CIA involvement, nor does any other agency of a similar nature. We have stories of their works, but little in the way of facts. Would it be easy for a big Government like the UK or US to use their own operations and blame a small nation? This happens, and this is why all nations should denounce black operations and all citizens should denounce secret works by their own Government.
Given the above, the problem is really that Iran does not openly attack people. We do, the UK does, Israel does, Russia does, and even China does.
Israel bombed Iranian nuclear facilities twice in the open. See operation Opera for a start..
I don't know how true it is but it certainly does not surprise me since for a start it follows their usual method of getting their proxies to do the dirty work and secondly, perhaps more importantly
Pot, Kettle, and all that stuff. If we could clear our own CIA and Black Ops as innocent I would not feel the same. Our agencies have been proven to lie over and over again to start wars and conflicts. I'm not claiming I trust Iran or Syria, I'm claiming we can't trust that our agencies are innocent.
perhaps more importantly - Iran and Syria have a number of widely publicised mutual [theguardian.com] self-defence [haaretz.com] pacts [wikipedia.org] for just such a situation so Iran is now obligated to join the fight with Syria if/when the US attacks.
Are you implying that defense pacts are evil? Are two kids fighting back against a school yard bully evil as well? We should have a unified approach to how this works. The US uses defense pacts and allies, so are we evil? If none of those questions are true, then I'm really not sure why you are pointing out their defense pact.
Secondarily, claiming that we are 98% the same as chimpanzees is an absurd correlation used to dehumanize people, considering the length of DNA.
Wrong. You're a primate, and a lot of your behaviour is very typical for primates. So am I, and so is mine, for that matter.
Since you don't understand your own species, you obviously fall for the fallacy. Even lacking critical thinking abilities you are still human. It should only take reading a few articles on psychology to deduce that you (and all other humans) are much more than your DNA sequence.
What a shock to see you dbill! More personal attacks, wow I'm so shocked. You don't dispute the site, nor it's information, you just don't like anyone to use the title. Please go back to what ever small minded task you were previously doing and leave complex thoughts for the big boys.
Are you not glad that Gary Allen was wrong, and the conspiracy theorists are a menace to society? (âsarcasm of courseâ)