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US Intercepts Iranian Order For Attack On US Embassy In Iraq
cold fjord writes "Another NSA story? The Wall Street Journal reports, 'The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria ... U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran's fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf ... U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. While the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike, it has other assets in the area that would be ready to respond to any reprisals by Syria, Iran or its allies. ... Israel has so far been the focus of concerns about retaliation from Iran and its Lebanese militant ally Hezbollah. The commander-in-chief of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps said last week that an attack on Syria would lead to the "destruction of Israel." ... The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards' Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials.' What's interesting is this Washington Post story from 2011: Iran's Quds Force was blamed for attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq."
Situation normal.
I dont believe WSJ article on this is credible.
We believe you. Lying bastards.
...then they can't not retaliate, which we can't let go unanswered, and...
Somebody call the kindergarten teacher.
As a US service member, I really don't want this to happen because I'll probably get sent there if this flares up and I've got less than 5 months left in the military. However, I think the US fully deserves it if they do carry out this attack on Syria.
No idea if it's legitimate or not, but the Zimmerman Telegram was the first thing that came to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
Within the last 10 years, both the United States and Israel have been busted for faking intelligence for supporting military strikes. The IDF, all of three years ago, was caught dubbing hair on fire anti-semitic slurs onto tapes from the Freedom Flotilla.
And, of course, remember that the U.S. and Israel have already committed multiple acts of war upon Iran, whether by Stuxnet or assassinating their nuclear scientists.
First, look at the source. I'm sure that the US intelligence agencies will all run to the Wall Street Journal with leaked information. Next, there have been no facts presented for anything else they have been banging a war drum on. Not just for this, but for decades. Are we really supposed to keep trusting known liars and a corrupt media system?
We also have this one.
Not only do I not trust a corrupt media and politicians, I want them out of our country. Maybe a good first step in war is to start parachuting politicians into these foreign countries where they clamor for war?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details. Now a mystery communication putting Iran and Syria together if attacked. First of all if they had intercepted this, why would they tell every one about it. Now Iran is going to find another form of communication since this one is compromised. The whole scenario is playing out like a bad 80's conspiracy movie.
The day after Snowden reveals NSA snoops secure internet traffic ...
Do we even trust the media anymore? They are just a tool for beating the war drums now.
Wasn't the whole CIA-Iran coup thing started with planting false stories in the media. How do we know that we aren't being fed planted stories?
It's like they think we're suddenly going to believe them. Turn off the bullshit- and propaganda-machines, no one is listening.
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If Israel gets attacked. Its the cause of a large amount of Middle East unrest
FFS please continue to inform the public of all juicy specific details about your intelligence expliots. Nobody is buying this bullshit.
Since I paid attention to the TV "news" as a teen or thereabouts, we (the west) have been at war with Iraq, then Iran, then Iraq, and now Iran is getting the propaganda treatment ready for another skirmish. Eric Blair must have used this for his 1984. I know people have short memories, aren't interested, claim it's god's will, or prefer "reality" TV to life beyond their sad lives, but come on, surely I'm not the only non-historian to see we're vacillating between these two?
We (the west, most likely US and UK) must be looking to supply Iraq (old UK territory) with a huge amount of expensive weaponry and military contractors, just like we did with Iran, and Iraq before them. It's not just the oil, it's the contracts, and it's not just the US. It's the old British and French regions constantly having to fight among themselves and the US led oil occupancy campaigns.
In an effort to make their spying program more palatable to the general public, the US today released the kind of lame "intelligence" they run across every day that was never going to amount to anything anyway. Similar to several "terror plots" the government "prevented" which were largely incompetent people ensnared by homeland security honey pots.
This may be PR of course. However, assuming that this is true, and given how it is coming at a spectacularly bad week, it's timeliness makes me suspicious. However, this is the sort of stuff we want our spooks to catch not deploy a dragnet over our own society.
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
I dunno... it's from ColdFjord of all people. I mean, he's radically in favor of the NSA and anything that even remotely justifies their existance and current illegal activities is going to be spun as god's own truth. If he's involved in the discussion and the NSA is on topic, then I simply have to take everything with a fist-sized grain of salt. I'll just look elsewhere for information on who said what about Iran.
Isn't this just what the US wants? They know that if they escalate things in Syria, they will drag in Iran, and then they will have the mandate they want to hit Iran.
I have a feeling that this was the plan all along....
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I think the US has lost all its credibility in the world since it became known where all of the 'credible documents' about Iraq came from. I'll believe there were chemical weapons used but most likely it was the rebels, trying to get other countries involved in their war.
Also, as a European, I'm getting ever so tired of hearing how 'America is the policeman of the world'. Why not let the Middle East countries clean up their own mess for once? The added bonus being a lot less angry Muslims giving the US the stinkeye.
> The U.S. has intercepted
Sounds right so far.
> an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy
Mm hmm...
> ...U.S. officials also fear...
They're more scared of us than we are of them! Right? Maybe that's spiders.
> the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike
I can't go on. I'm really feeling terrified now, so... Ahh. I think I'll go watch some F** N**** to learn more about this.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, this is a legitimate intercept that's been made public for the purposes of swaying public opinion in favor of the NSA's spying program. Were any of us upset that the US government is attempting to learn about the activities of other nations hostile to it? No, of course not.
But how does this supposedly justify any of the crap behavior we ARE upset about?
Do the Iranians use Verizon cell phones to give tactical orders to its sailors? Does Hezbollah use Gmail to coordinate its attacks? Maybe the G-20 ministers were going to kidnap an American right after the conference? Or perhaps its those NSA spooks' ex-wives that were going to aid and abet the Taliban in their next attacks?
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Who else, but Cold Fjord?
In regards to his continued efforts as the resident NSA Shill here at Slashdot, I respect his dogged determination to continue the fight, futile as it may be.
Keep it up--you've become a de facto inside-line on what the Feds want us to believe. It's like having our own mole inside the NSA.
I have two words on the timing of this intercept in relation to new countries to invade:
Convenient
The second word was intercepted.
What could they have against the US?
Close down the US embassies in Baghdad, Beirut, and indeed, elsewhere in the Middle East - Riyadh, Cairo, Tripoli, Khartoum, et al. Then they won't have to worry about Jihadi attacks on US embassies.
For the record, I'm against the US getting involved in either side, since there are no 'good guys' in this conflict. But if they insist on getting involved, they should evacuate all their embassies in the region, so that a rerun of the US embassy bombing in Beirut of 1983 or the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi more recently doesn't happen.
FFS, this is what they are supposed to be doing. Not screwing around, feeding the DEA the lowdown on pot deals or handing the IRS lists of overseas bank accounts.
Have gnu, will travel.
The fact that news of this intercept is released to mainstream press should be a clue that this tidbit is part of some broader false flag initiative, obviously one to raise the ire of Americans against the Iranians.
they always lie when it comes to making more $$ for the rich.
that obama was the anti-christ and would lead to the end times or whatever? that looked wacky in 2008 but with obama on the verge of starting world war 3 i'm not laughing anymore.
You're all "The government is a bunch of liars". So even if they actually told the truth, you would never accept it. That's just awesome :).
If they had information on a potential strike against them - they wouldn't let the would be striker know that they knew. This is a psyop to show the world that their evil wiretapping saves innocent lives and now they have reason for more war. It benefits them all the way around to fabricate these lies, when they wouldn't dare mention it if it were true.
Just remember, a Wired magazine staffer is the one who turned in Pvt. Manning.
The US does not fear Iran. The US does not fear hezbollah. The US does not fear islam. The US does not fear Allah.
No worries there Mate. That ain't happening.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
At least this week.
I think America has finally realized they're being lied to; hell, Obama doesn't even look like he believes what he's saying, and that's suicide for a politician.
This will not end well, however it goes.
I advocate a full Nuclear Strike; It makes as much sense as everything else.
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
Only the US could launch an unprovoked attack with the simultaneous expectation that no-one would be motivated to retaliate.
FALSE FLAG
'Nuff said
Of course this might be one reason why we continue to bomb the shit out the middle east:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/making_the_world_safe_for_banksters_syria_in_the_cross-hairs_20130905/
No government in their right mind would depend in any way on their intelligence services for that type of information. A well prepared and sensible government would always plan for all likely eventualities. Waiting until their intelligence services tell them that some particular event might occur is a nonsense. One doesn't need to be a certified snoop to predict the likely results of an attack on Syria.
This all smells very much like the NSA trying very hard to justify their own existence.
Amen...
but oh!... fUckSA is not listening but their own farts, and their farts spells: war
guess i better read the books
just... wow
In a thread full of ignorant posts, this one takes the prize. I'm sure you're all full of "proof" for such a claim too.
We can at least capitalise on the public's fear that we get everything, and use that plausibility to say what ever the hell serves our agenda!
Ladies and gentlemen I remind you this comes from agencies that are PAID to LIE.
I'll say this. If they had factual intercepts of private Iranian military communication wit this level of detail? They'd find more value in HIDING this capability, then by showing the hole poker-hand. Instead, they release this as a PR move to push a war agenda.
You can bet, when an unnamed official source produces actual evidence of this eavesdropping capability? He will be prosecuted as a traitor - and probably hounded to Moscow.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
I'm not sure why the parent post was moderated Flamebait. Speaking as a non-United-Statesian, its pretty obviously true.
Get me another, independent, source. Otherwise, I don't care.
And I'm certain the terror index was fushia half the day. Wouldn't want those evil ones to win by reducing our country to a totalitarian regime that crushes dissidents with force and propaganda now would we?
whoops.
"You read it here first."
No.
I've read this same song multiple times whenever there's even the possibility of use of force going all the way back to Vietnam. There's always a report that it's all some vaster conspiracy (that never comes to fruition, somehow).
Like all the rumors of secret oil finds off of Vietnam that were "the real reason" for that war? I remember them well.
Funny. No one ever developed those vast deposits. (Or maybe they kept it secret by keeping the oil they paid millions to extract in tanks to artificially boost prices.)
Or, the oil in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was more than happy to sell the west already? Heck, he sold us a fair piece of the oil we used to power the army that invaded.
If it was all some global game to destroy Iran,then why was Obama in such a hurry to get our army out of Iraq? It was sitting right across the border from Iran. There were operating airbases there. Sure seems like if this was the great plan all along then it sure wasn't well executed.
I think your theory is horse hockey. We may get into it at some point with Iran, but it won't be because of some great vast plan. It'll be something that comes up that has an impact on US politics like the chemical weapons and the perceived "red line".
Drop a nuke on the region and then use the money saved from not having the war to figure out how to remove radiation from oil.
winning!!!
You know it's funny how important maintaining credibility by refraining from bullshitting people turns out to be.
The Iranian Revolutionary Islamic Leader and his puppet "President" could step in front of a camera, arm in arm, and announce they have nuclear weapons and are about to launch them on the United States, and put it on every television network on Earth, launch missiles and bombers, and when the planes hit US air space, Barrack Obama could go on national television and announce the impending strikes, and outline the need to defend the nation and to launch an immediate counter attack, and...
at this point, I'm not sure anyone would believe him!
AND, (if I may be forgiven for staring a sentence with a coordinating conjunction,) THAT IS WHY IT'S BEST NOT TO LIE!
The economic problems our country has been having have come incredibly sharply into focus, thanks to what's going on. Turns out it's an inability to do basic math!
According to the Obama administration, 1400 deaths (the number alleged to have resulted from the gas attacks our president is about to presume to "punish" someone for, is somehow GREATER than 100,000 deaths Bashar al-Assad's Syrian regime is already known to have caused with bombs and bullets and burning. Put symbolically,
Obama believes 1,400 > 100,000.
The ban on chemical weapons wasn't because of how "horrible" they are, it's because they're uncontrollable, unpredictable, and some can go on killing for a long time after they're used. The US (and the broader world) didn't give a rat's hairy ass about a tenth of a million corpses, but because these few were killed in a particular way, suddenly it's oh... so... awful! Oh, the HUMANITY!
Of course, this ignores the fact that the bullets are made of LEAD, a chemical element, and that the gunpowder that propels it is most likely ANFO, a CHEMICAL, and the explosives in the bombs... yep. Chemicals. How many Syrians perished more horribly than those poisoned by a gas attack when the building they were in collapsed on them causing them to starve to death or die of thirst over hours or days, trapped under crushing rubble?
Well this explains everything! I DO think, however, that Obama SHOULD intervene in the conflict. Obama, not the United States military or flying deathbots. Let Obama strap on some armor, a gas mask, (definitely on the packing list for this one!) grab an M4, a 9, a crate of MRE's, and parachute alone into the A/O, and take care of it himself. (Did you all hear him say no one is more war weary than he is? How many combat tours did he do?)
Now might be a good time for an early, Syrian Undeclared Operation, Ten Year Anniversary edition on Blu-Ray Disc, of the Matt Stone, Trey Parker film, "Team America, World Police".
I'd buy it.
Heard Rep. Tommy Williams on talk radio today, and he didn't seem satisfied with his security briefing since it didn't seem to answer three questions: What's the mission, what's the exit strategy, and what's it going to cost? While exit strategy and cost are valid questions, before we do ANYTHING, we need to have a clear, achievable, defined mission before we put our sons and daughters at risk. And if Obama is waffling on who's drawing the 'red line', especially in the absence of any other country giving a crap about that 'red line', you need to tell me what this 'Mission' is about before we go jumping in all by ourselves here.
Wow, really, you needed the NSA to figure this out?
We attack a country and their alies retaliate, who would have thought it. Other than every person with two braincells to rub together.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130902-uk-approved-nerve-gas-chemical-weapons-exports-syria
Maybe we should just impose Obamacare on them.
I dunno, maybe that's too heinous.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
US seems to always digup what ever they need to justify what ever action they want to take. Irak supposedly had weapons of massdestruction, so they invaded and found NOTHING :P
Im betting my money on this one being just as fake.
That wasn't intercepted. It was directed at us in a manner they knew we'd intercept. How do I know that? I'm omniscient. Seriously though, it is in their interest for us to know that because it could serve as a deterrent. Its not like our relations with iran are anything but horrible right now... and they've been horrible for longer then I've been alive. SOO... why do the iranians care?
Look, I'm done with the middle east at this point. I'll back up israel to a point because they have a real democracy and they're some of the few comprehensible people you'll find in that region of the world. However, the rest of the middle east? Let it do as it will. The US is neither capable nor responsible for acting as a global police force. We cannot do it even if we want to do it... and I really think a majority of americans do not want to do it. So lets not.
Does that mean that some horrible dictator somewhere is going to start eating his own people or making torture gardens of their bones? Sure... terrible people have always been around and when you get a psychopath on the throne then you're going to get horrors all over. What are we supposed to do about it? Fight them? All of them? And keep doing it? Forever?
I'll tell the global community something... if you want my blood, I want something for it. I'm not interested in doing the right thing. Morality is cheap. If they want us to fight, I want territory. Then I'll actually bother defending the land because it will be mine.
Does this mean I actually want this land or that I covet their territory? Not at all. But if you want my blood, I want something for it. I want something I can give future generations. And simply ridding the world of one scumball dictator only to have the same idiots in that region of the world appoint another scumbag dictator isn't good enough.
So... how badly do you want me to liberate your country? Because were it up to me, the price would be getting turned into a US territory under the permenant aegis of the American people. Taxes, laws, culture... total transfusion. Hey, you'd all be Americans instantly.
Again... I do not covet their land. They can do as they please where ever forever. But you ask me to spill my blood on your soil? Then its mine. I won it by right of conquest. You couldn't hold it. I could. Its mine the same way any country belongs to any people. No ruling people on earth were the first to take the land they live upon. Every nation and culture got their land from someone else one way or another.
My nation took their land from the native americans and truth be told many of them took the same land from each other over the years. Welcome to humanity... we do that.
I am tired of the US going to various hellscapes the world to fight for causes that often have nothing to do with American interests. Often we do it for allies. Often we do it for vague geopolitical reasons that tend to boil down to bullcrap.
That's fine. If we're going to keep playing that game then keep playing it. But bring something home. You can't eat nobility. Nothing we've ever done in any conflict has ever earned us any honor or respect as a nation. Even WW2 got us very little. We profited more by the destruction of our industrial rivals then through the gratitude of our allies.
So that's fine. From now on, I want something if we kill and die.
The Saudis etc said they'd pay for our war with Syria in full. Not good enough. If we're going to be their mercenaries then I want to make a profit. Not interested in paying what the best military in the history of the human race is worth? Fine. We don't need to fight your silly regional pissing contests. You go fight Syria. I'm tired of my nation being referred to as the great Satan when always we operate in a network of relationships that push us towards these choices. Why must we be the international sin eaters? Suffer your own calamities. The US has more then enough of its own.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
1. It was an authentic, secret order.
2. Iran deliberately let that message get intercepted (either to discourage an attack or to goad the US into striking).
3. Some other nation planted the message (same as above, or to increase tensions between the US and Iran).
4. The US made it up to get domestic support (either for a strike against Syria, or a future war with Iran).
out of 6 billion, a one-in-a-million personality exists 6 thousand times.
But you're the victim.
Right.
You DO know that you can say bad things about a race AND be racist at the same time, right? So in a claim "that's anti-semitic", you need to say why it was justified to say the bad thing about the jews to counter the claim, NOT "Stop persecuting me!!!" whining.
Stupid bitch.
Mr leading hand coder that was taken pity on by HR after many years service and awarded a title irrelevant outside of your workplace - please refrain from pretending to be an engineer when civil or mechanical engineering matters are being discussed. Such behaviour is highly dishonest and blackens then reputation of the profession when you attempt to drag us into your pathetic conspiracy theories.
It was considered OK for Oliver North to sell weapons to Hezbolla so Republicans had better try another tack or admit a bit of high treason in the ranks.
You are still posting this shit after my reply refuting your idiocy about cold fires. You are blackening the reputation of engineers everywhere. Of course pointing out a liar is an "attack", why whine about it? If you deliberately tell lies you should be enough of a man to put up with a bit of criticism about it. If you can't take the "attack" then don't commit the offence.
Syria is imploding all by itself.
Shouldnt this kind of thing be a reason to attack Iran instead??
Nah, obama cant just fling a few cruise missiles at them and declare victory.
Everybody finds it too convenient that at the beginning of a focused and growing opposition to domestic spying on all Americans, that we all get handed unproven accusations against Syria along with an unpopular plan to attack them; which, of course, will lead to further domestic spying to avoid plots in the U.S. sparked by our attacks on Syria. Everybody's awake! I suggest voting every politician out of office who supports both domestic spying and this attack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/syria-battle-maaloula_n_3872906.html
President Obama today announced he will no longer prevaricate (for the American audience: lie like Hell!) on the Syria matter, but instead offer them the "olive branch" of peace.
"If Syria and Iran will finally sign onto the WTO's Financial Services Agreement, thus allowing the banksters in, we will refrain from unleashing a leviathan deluge of cruise missiles against them," said an annoyed Barack Obama.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/05/making-the-world-safe-for-banksters/
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-07/high-level-us-intelligence-officers-syrian-government-didn%E2%80%99t-launch-chemical-
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-07/obamas-missing-link-no-direct-connection-between-assad-and-gas-attack
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/syria-battle-maaloula_n_3872906.html
Come back Dr. Strangelove, all is forgiven...
I merely speculated a bit on where the title had come from based on posts you have made here yourself about you being a leading hand in a coding shop. Either way your workplace title has zero meaning here or just about anywhere outside of your workplace - posting it here is an act of deception and you have used it many times to shout down others in arguments by pretending to come from a position of authority. By doing so you are giving those that earned the title a bad name, especially when you tie it to 9/11 conspiracy crap which is frankly borderline evil fire in a crowded theatre stuff. It's about stirring up rebellion with an excuse of a string of coincidences that rely on the existence of magic superspies instead of simple stuff like buildings falling down due to fire damage. It's pure sociopathy. :)
Your disgusting conspiracy crap of the US government setting up a fake disaster truly does dishonor the dead and it sickens me every time you excrete such material here. Having such a thing being given more credibility by being associated with a title that I have earned and you are merely splashing about to look more important than you are sickens me even more and makes me glad that I never took the petty step of putting it into my sig.
So code monkey that never even read about enough simple chemistry to learn about a fire, that is why I'm going to keep rubbing your face in your lies every time you spout them here.
One last thing - if you are going to wave "ad hominem" around it does not look credible if you then go and write "go back to the porn channel" or similar such one yourself
So, observe:
a) Who stood to gain from using sarin gas on the population? Not the Syrian govt as that was guaranteed to draw unecessary attention from the intl community while accomplishing very little tactically. BUT the rebels had everything to gain and a demonstrated willingness to do anything to anyone to further their cause;
b) Iran is getting uncomfortably close to having its own nuclear strike capability. With covert and semi-covert deterents exposed, all that is left is an overt action, say a military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities;
c) Iran has been out of the public eye. They haven't been doing anything that would make them look 'strike worthy' to the general public EXCEPT they are an ally of Syria.
So how to strike at Iran without it looking like a pure bullying action?
a) Get in to a war in Syria
b) Draw Syria's allies into the war
c) Strike at Iran, move in with occupying forces, dismantle nuclear infrastructure
d) Declare peace and leave a token force to draw the fire of grass roots terrorists (like in Iraq, it keeps the terrorists from trying to hit targets in the US/UK because it is a much easier target).
This latest 'intelligence' from a less than trustworthy agency serves to prepare the public to increasingly begin looking anew at Iran as a 'bad guy' - ' ... not only are they allies with the gas-wielding Syrian despots but they have also instigated attacks against our people!"
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
I am doubtful you understand correlation, but lets see how slow you really are.
There have been numerous books and movies about JFKs assassination showing the Government did not tell the truth about what happened. None of those movies or books claim "The Government did it!" They use facts and evidence to point out that the story released can not be correct.
The same exact situation exists with groups like ae911truth.org. There are thousands of architects, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, and physicists presenting facts and evidence to show that what the Government released is not correct. They have run simulation after simulation and can't get similar results. None of them claim that "The Government did it!". I personally have never claimed that "The Government did it." either. Go back through post history. In fact I'm positive we have had this same argument before. You are either too ignorant to realize that you are a liar when you falsely state people blame the government, or you are a puppet spewing propaganda.
You have never refuted a single fact I showed, in fact you repeatedly claim " truly does dishonor the dead ". You live in a fantasy land refusing facts!
Again, you repeat an ad hominem instead of refuting facts. Your lies about refuting evidence that you refused to review are disgusting.
Since you are now a liar, as well as full of ad hominem kindly go fuck yourself.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
A Very Likely Fabrication of the NSA and other client Soviet-State Administrators (Apparatchiks) of the Obama Regime Soviet.