Having an API system that handles the database would be the way to go, not try and embed this junk directly in to the file system itself.
I have been sitting here thinking.. well, if it was FAT and we just created a new FAT partition for the additional meta data, it's possible. But we already see a huge amount of space lost to the FAT file system as well as take a huge performance hit. The multiple redundancies have helped with stability, but performance has gone down and the unusable areas of disks have shot way way up. Imagine trying to store metadata in a new FAT areas.. and keeping multiple redundant copies of those. Nothing like formatting a new 140GB disk and seeing 80GB free right?
Maybe they are getting a lot in kick backs from disk MFRs.. just to investigate even??
Technically, most if not all drivers are 3rd party. I'm talking about OOBE. The native drivers and the way Windows 2000 handled them were really bad in comparison with XPs OOBE.
I am so tired of this statement/argument from Microsoft and Microsoft'ees. This is the whole point of the WHQL certification process. Microsoft certifies the drivers, sets the standards, and charges companies assloads of money in the process to get them on the WHQL list.
What? Maybe after SP2 it was stable, but not for the first year or so it was out. If you clicked on a floppy drive in Windows explorer and there was no floppy, NT4 BSOD'd immediately. In explorer, you could click on an empty CD every other time the system would reboot. It crashed so easily and often it became rather comical. So often in fact, that we derived the term BSOD shortly after NT4 was released for production.
I remember that I used to cause all the NT Admins heart failure by taking my Linux box and running "cat/dev/zero | nc -p 80 nt.server". It used to peg the CPU to 100% on any NT4 box and would occasionally cause a nice BSOD.
This is why we have tools like databases. A database system for catalogs makes sense. A utility that could scan your computer for video files, ask questions and assist is great. Just like iTunes, Winamp, Amarok, etc.. do for music.
Trying to build this junk directly in to a file system is retarded. File systems are for file operations. Compression, ACL's, error recovery and detection, modes and flags all make sense. How about "Working Bad Block detection and Relocation for Windows" or something that is logical to have in a file system?
Microsoft spends a ton of money trying to implement things that nobody wants, then trying to force feed them to everyone. Even if they are poorly implemented or broken.
This is why people have been leaving Microsoft, and why we have a different landscape now than we did just a few years ago.
And do not mean to imply that you back or agree with the WinFS rumor mongering.. your post just brings out why it's a horrible idea for a file system to try and accomplish this.
Actually your claim is not true. M$ had a license with HP (kind of forced by their buddy Intel) so that NT could run on the Itanium chip. They also had a license to run on DEC before Compaq killed the chip off. Since it never really ran on either, the projects fizzled out.
The funny part with Itanium is that you had to run the chip in 32bit mode since NT4 was only 32bit. The Itanium needed a full restart and BIOS flag to run in 32bit mode. The concept was great mind you. A 64bit PA RISC chip that had an Intel Pentium co-processor. But the Intel chip could never run as a co-processor.
Microsoft was never licensed to run on most RISC chips, and the couple they tried to run on were.. well.. they sat at the BSOD. I'm pretty sure that they did publish some articles telling people how great they were and that they had partnered with HP and Intel, maybe even said they were "OPEN" because of their license with DEC. Reality is rarely the same as what they pay media to type about them.
No offense to your trade since I admire anyone with the stomach to get passed the BAR, but the last thing we need in society is more attorneys. Part of the problems we see now are due to an overabundance of attorneys and politicians. In fact, I'll change that to a majority.
Need points for proof? IP law, Legalization of lobbyists, lobbyists, OJ, Michael Jackson, Senate bill 1867/House Bill 1540, Deregulation of the Financial holdings institutions, Cap and Trade, Flint and Detroit Michigan, and here is my favorite.. Tax law.
Less lawyers and politicians, more craftsmen would go a long way to fixing the State of the Union.
You obviously know little about how Social Engineering works if you believe that to be true. When I worked DOD it was recommended that we never post information to any Social network about where we worked, what we did for a living, who our co-workers were, etc.. This was not just for the protection of the Government, but also protection of your own family and friends.
I no longer work DOD, but when I did I did not post on anything including/. with my credentials.
It does not take long in reading to see what his real propblem is.
When it comes to improving open discussion threads, Denton seemed quicker to shoot down ideas that others are trying than to provide proposals of his own.
Well now, lets beyatch about all possible solutions instead of doing something? Really that's his mode? And yes, it is...
Having editors and reporters engage their readers in the comments? "The writer of the piece has to move on to the next piece. They don't have time to moderate all those comments."
Valid point, but at least let them pop on and make sensible comments if they want to do so.
Require readers to post using their real names? "My own view is that anonymity is at the heart of the Internet."
I agree in a way, but if you have troll problems the way to fix it is require some information to track users. Just making people think that you can track them is generally enough to stop the "DIE YOU F^&*(*ER!" comments.
Give other commenters more power to "up-vote" or "down-vote" posts? "We don't really believe in the democratic process of decision-making when it comes to discussion," Denton said
Ahh, the truth comes out. It's his dictatorship, his www, his blogs, me, me, me, me, me. The problem makes so much more sense now.
For example, he said, Jezebel has made lots of hay off of sexual harassment accusations against American Apparel Chief Executive Officer Dov Charney. Denton said he'd love to see Charney come into the comments section to defend himself.
"If you put it to a vote, 90% would vote to ban him. They hate that guy," Denton said. "If Dov Charney went into the Jezebel comments, he'd be torn limb from limb; his limbs aren't all that would be torn off."
Wait, your only option for user action is to allow them to ban people? WTF is he talking about?
And the gem...
The answer? Denton said his sites are planning to post some stories that allow only a hand-picked, pre-approved group of people to comment on them. That, he said, would make the comment section an extension of the story and allow people, like Charney in the above example, to have their say without fear of being piled onto by others
Because if he hand picks people it will make for unbiased and better news.. Riiiiight. No wonder I don't read or visit any of his work.
conservative pundits?? Don't we have a left wing liberal as a president right now?
Not only no, but "HELL NO". Did you really believe the platform he ran on? I mean.. okay people were fooled at first. But how long did it take before it was obvious he was just a puppet?
I believe you hint at it, but I'll point it out more prominently. This is psychological propaganda, informing people that war is inevitable. This is training people that it's inevitable, so that when it happens there are few questions. "We knew it was going to happen, check the clock!" Yes people, there is a lot of brainwashing going on even in the "Good" guy places.
Absolutely sure. You said that the RIAA and MPAA already have an answer in "iTunes". Which is an absolutely false statement. As mentioned previously, iTunes is a segment of the market, not what the RIAA and MPAA agreed to. iTunes has record label support, not support from the industry heads.
By your logic, HBO and Netflix is the MPAA and RIAA answer to movies. It's not. The MPAA and RIAA hate this model with a passion.
Don't try to fool people. iTunes is just a segment of the industry, not the industry as a whole. The industry management (RIAA and MPAA) do not want this model, and fight against it. Hence we had SOPA and PIPA being lobbied for, and lets not forget the constant stream of lawsuits, invalid DCMA take down orders, domain seizures, and other miscellaneous police actions.
We already knew that Linux can be a profit area for business, even though it's "Free". Now we see that same thing working in Gaming.
It requires some new methodology, and business modelling of course. But it works!
I'm always glad to see success stories. This a great example. Steam in my opinion has done a great job creating a platform. TF2 plugging in and taking advantage, very smart!
Instead of trying to mess around with trying to proxy, I downloaded and installed. There should be some note with the Tornado package that it does not create the links to the current (not hard to fix but easier if you know). Once the link was created for Tornado, Gateone was up and running within a minute.
Since I have Apache and Tomcat running on this host, I had to change the port. May be worth adding something to the initial run of Gateone to check for port 80 and 443 to be open before trying to stomp on other services, and maybe request a port number if it finds the defaults in use?
That was it though for getting the product up and running. Like butter with a few toast crumbs left in the bowl.. mostly very smooth but had to pick out a couple crumbs. I pointed our Wintel admin to the site to get his take. IE9 seems to hang and never do anything but load the background. Firefox and Chrome work like a champ.
Well, I hit escape and see a message regarding proxy servers.. which is probably the cause. Does anyone have a work around for "Brucoat" handy? Product looks very interesting.. but if I can't use it..:(
Pretty much you and I agree. Where I disagree is that I don't see the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel as to people seeing "cloud" as the solution to everything and not a tool. At least from the executive side. The trend for the last 20 years has been to dump all their eggs in to a single basket. Most IT professional's know the differences and distinctions.
Such a simple metaphor does not explain an economy. We have gone from dumb to dumber, and Microsoft is posing more of the same. We as a society have given away not only all of our ideas, but the source code and blue prints so that other people can build it. Did we do so for the betterment of society? Hell no, we did it to make a whole lot of short term profit at the expense of society.
All of these "Cloud" cheer leaders are great, if you don't think about anything but a bottom line.
Did we learn nothing from the collapse of the big 3? Obviously not, at least if people like you make the decisions. Thankfully, people like you are rare.
Does that mean we can not advance? Not by a long shot. We know that "Cloud" is great for some things, but horrible for others. We should be choosing what we put in "Cloud" very carefully. Advancing cloud technology but also home grown technology. One being viable does not mean that the other is not viable. Both can, and should, be expanded and grown.
This is the million dollar question, but also comes with a price tag. If you want support, then you want Redhat. Support includes more than you would get with Mickeysoft for much less money.
RHEL gets you a few other things besides a check book full of support. There are far more experts with Redhat than any other distro (at least in the US). This means if you can't afford, or don't want to pay Redhat you can still find help. Good luck finding that "Gentoo" or "Slackware" expert when something breaks, or good luck affording them since he's booked by some other schlep that went with that brand.
Lets face a simple fact. At home, you can use what ever you want. Who cares about down time, bugs, learning curves, etc... none of that matters. When it comes to business, you need to have something with a support chain. You also need a fall guy when the shit hits the fan.
At work, we strictly run RHEL. Kickstarts include the full KDE suite, desk top is changed to KDE and KDE's Kiosk features are used to manage the desktops and give a common look and feel. RHEL will include everything you want from the standard linux stack, though you may have to get both a desktop and server set of media.
How dare someone interject reality in to my SciFi visions of the future!
On the more serious side, I'm sure that by the time we could develop something that could warp space, we will also have developed some sort of frictionless space flight. If we flew in space without friction, we would not be collecting all of those loose particulars.
Or they will do like they did with the US Armed forces now being able to detain without trial or cause any American citizen. It was hidden in a "Defense Spending" Bill, and Obama signed it on 12/31/11 when the rest of the US was out getting drunk.
As someone else showed, it does not take a lot in terms of logic. A network interface has to open packets, and a logic circuit to look for a specific string in a packet and die if it finds it, or worse simply repeats that packet on a broadcast to all known addresses can shut people down for a long time. A smidge more code, and we have the packet locked in a buffer so even after a power off/on the card no longer works.
Could China or Korea add such a chip to a NIC that is sold only overseas? Most likely, or they could run firmware to change their devices. Malicious code is not extremely complex to write. The millions of script kiddies plinking away at Winders systems should be proof enough of that.
Part of the problem with outsourcing all of our IT manufacturing is that we don't know what foreign agencies can kill with a single switch. It's only a part mind you, but enough that we in the US should be severely concerned with. No matter how good our hacking staff is, if the hardware they are hacking on is killed from a remote location.. well.. that pretty much ends the game.
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Having an API system that handles the database would be the way to go, not try and embed this junk directly in to the file system itself.
I have been sitting here thinking.. well, if it was FAT and we just created a new FAT partition for the additional meta data, it's possible. But we already see a huge amount of space lost to the FAT file system as well as take a huge performance hit. The multiple redundancies have helped with stability, but performance has gone down and the unusable areas of disks have shot way way up. Imagine trying to store metadata in a new FAT areas.. and keeping multiple redundant copies of those. Nothing like formatting a new 140GB disk and seeing 80GB free right?
Maybe they are getting a lot in kick backs from disk MFRs.. just to investigate even??
Technically, most if not all drivers are 3rd party. I'm talking about OOBE. The native drivers and the way Windows 2000 handled them were really bad in comparison with XPs OOBE.
I am so tired of this statement/argument from Microsoft and Microsoft'ees. This is the whole point of the WHQL certification process. Microsoft certifies the drivers, sets the standards, and charges companies assloads of money in the process to get them on the WHQL list.
Relatively stable
What? Maybe after SP2 it was stable, but not for the first year or so it was out. If you clicked on a floppy drive in Windows explorer and there was no floppy, NT4 BSOD'd immediately. In explorer, you could click on an empty CD every other time the system would reboot. It crashed so easily and often it became rather comical. So often in fact, that we derived the term BSOD shortly after NT4 was released for production.
I remember that I used to cause all the NT Admins heart failure by taking my Linux box and running "cat /dev/zero | nc -p 80 nt.server". It used to peg the CPU to 100% on any NT4 box and would occasionally cause a nice BSOD.
This is why we have tools like databases. A database system for catalogs makes sense. A utility that could scan your computer for video files, ask questions and assist is great. Just like iTunes, Winamp, Amarok, etc.. do for music.
Trying to build this junk directly in to a file system is retarded. File systems are for file operations. Compression, ACL's, error recovery and detection, modes and flags all make sense. How about "Working Bad Block detection and Relocation for Windows" or something that is logical to have in a file system?
Microsoft spends a ton of money trying to implement things that nobody wants, then trying to force feed them to everyone. Even if they are poorly implemented or broken.
This is why people have been leaving Microsoft, and why we have a different landscape now than we did just a few years ago.
And do not mean to imply that you back or agree with the WinFS rumor mongering.. your post just brings out why it's a horrible idea for a file system to try and accomplish this.
Actually your claim is not true. M$ had a license with HP (kind of forced by their buddy Intel) so that NT could run on the Itanium chip. They also had a license to run on DEC before Compaq killed the chip off. Since it never really ran on either, the projects fizzled out.
The funny part with Itanium is that you had to run the chip in 32bit mode since NT4 was only 32bit. The Itanium needed a full restart and BIOS flag to run in 32bit mode. The concept was great mind you. A 64bit PA RISC chip that had an Intel Pentium co-processor. But the Intel chip could never run as a co-processor.
Microsoft was never licensed to run on most RISC chips, and the couple they tried to run on were.. well.. they sat at the BSOD. I'm pretty sure that they did publish some articles telling people how great they were and that they had partnered with HP and Intel, maybe even said they were "OPEN" because of their license with DEC. Reality is rarely the same as what they pay media to type about them.
No offense to your trade since I admire anyone with the stomach to get passed the BAR, but the last thing we need in society is more attorneys. Part of the problems we see now are due to an overabundance of attorneys and politicians. In fact, I'll change that to a majority.
Need points for proof? IP law, Legalization of lobbyists, lobbyists, OJ, Michael Jackson, Senate bill 1867/House Bill 1540, Deregulation of the Financial holdings institutions, Cap and Trade, Flint and Detroit Michigan, and here is my favorite.. Tax law.
Less lawyers and politicians, more craftsmen would go a long way to fixing the State of the Union.
You obviously know little about how Social Engineering works if you believe that to be true. When I worked DOD it was recommended that we never post information to any Social network about where we worked, what we did for a living, who our co-workers were, etc.. This was not just for the protection of the Government, but also protection of your own family and friends.
I no longer work DOD, but when I did I did not post on anything including /. with my credentials.
The code some idiot puts on their luggage
Gratuitous Spaceballs reference I take it?
It does not take long in reading to see what his real propblem is.
When it comes to improving open discussion threads, Denton seemed quicker to shoot down ideas that others are trying than to provide proposals of his own.
Well now, lets beyatch about all possible solutions instead of doing something? Really that's his mode? And yes, it is...
Having editors and reporters engage their readers in the comments? "The writer of the piece has to move on to the next piece. They don't have time to moderate all those comments."
Valid point, but at least let them pop on and make sensible comments if they want to do so.
Require readers to post using their real names? "My own view is that anonymity is at the heart of the Internet."
I agree in a way, but if you have troll problems the way to fix it is require some information to track users. Just making people think that you can track them is generally enough to stop the "DIE YOU F^&*(*ER!" comments.
Give other commenters more power to "up-vote" or "down-vote" posts? "We don't really believe in the democratic process of decision-making when it comes to discussion," Denton said
Ahh, the truth comes out. It's his dictatorship, his www, his blogs, me, me, me, me, me. The problem makes so much more sense now.
For example, he said, Jezebel has made lots of hay off of sexual harassment accusations against American Apparel Chief Executive Officer Dov Charney. Denton said he'd love to see Charney come into the comments section to defend himself. "If you put it to a vote, 90% would vote to ban him. They hate that guy," Denton said. "If Dov Charney went into the Jezebel comments, he'd be torn limb from limb; his limbs aren't all that would be torn off."
Wait, your only option for user action is to allow them to ban people? WTF is he talking about?
And the gem...
The answer? Denton said his sites are planning to post some stories that allow only a hand-picked, pre-approved group of people to comment on them. That, he said, would make the comment section an extension of the story and allow people, like Charney in the above example, to have their say without fear of being piled onto by others
Because if he hand picks people it will make for unbiased and better news.. Riiiiight. No wonder I don't read or visit any of his work.
conservative pundits?? Don't we have a left wing liberal as a president right now?
Not only no, but "HELL NO". Did you really believe the platform he ran on? I mean.. okay people were fooled at first. But how long did it take before it was obvious he was just a puppet?
I believe you hint at it, but I'll point it out more prominently. This is psychological propaganda, informing people that war is inevitable. This is training people that it's inevitable, so that when it happens there are few questions. "We knew it was going to happen, check the clock!" Yes people, there is a lot of brainwashing going on even in the "Good" guy places.
Absolutely sure. You said that the RIAA and MPAA already have an answer in "iTunes". Which is an absolutely false statement. As mentioned previously, iTunes is a segment of the market, not what the RIAA and MPAA agreed to. iTunes has record label support, not support from the industry heads.
By your logic, HBO and Netflix is the MPAA and RIAA answer to movies. It's not. The MPAA and RIAA hate this model with a passion.
Don't try to fool people. iTunes is just a segment of the industry, not the industry as a whole. The industry management (RIAA and MPAA) do not want this model, and fight against it. Hence we had SOPA and PIPA being lobbied for, and lets not forget the constant stream of lawsuits, invalid DCMA take down orders, domain seizures, and other miscellaneous police actions.
We already knew that Linux can be a profit area for business, even though it's "Free". Now we see that same thing working in Gaming.
It requires some new methodology, and business modelling of course. But it works!
I'm always glad to see success stories. This a great example. Steam in my opinion has done a great job creating a platform. TF2 plugging in and taking advantage, very smart!
Instead of trying to mess around with trying to proxy, I downloaded and installed. There should be some note with the Tornado package that it does not create the links to the current (not hard to fix but easier if you know). Once the link was created for Tornado, Gateone was up and running within a minute.
Since I have Apache and Tomcat running on this host, I had to change the port. May be worth adding something to the initial run of Gateone to check for port 80 and 443 to be open before trying to stomp on other services, and maybe request a port number if it finds the defaults in use?
That was it though for getting the product up and running. Like butter with a few toast crumbs left in the bowl.. mostly very smooth but had to pick out a couple crumbs. I pointed our Wintel admin to the site to get his take. IE9 seems to hang and never do anything but load the background. Firefox and Chrome work like a champ.
Been a while since psych, but Hmm... "The space program is a phallic symbol"? or maybe I'm worried about my testicular
I keep reading "Orbital Test Vehicle" as Orbital Testicle
Well, I hit escape and see a message regarding proxy servers.. which is probably the cause. Does anyone have a work around for "Brucoat" handy? Product looks very interesting.. but if I can't use it.. :(
Pretty much you and I agree. Where I disagree is that I don't see the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel as to people seeing "cloud" as the solution to everything and not a tool. At least from the executive side. The trend for the last 20 years has been to dump all their eggs in to a single basket. Most IT professional's know the differences and distinctions.
Such a simple metaphor does not explain an economy. We have gone from dumb to dumber, and Microsoft is posing more of the same. We as a society have given away not only all of our ideas, but the source code and blue prints so that other people can build it. Did we do so for the betterment of society? Hell no, we did it to make a whole lot of short term profit at the expense of society.
All of these "Cloud" cheer leaders are great, if you don't think about anything but a bottom line.
Did we learn nothing from the collapse of the big 3? Obviously not, at least if people like you make the decisions. Thankfully, people like you are rare.
Does that mean we can not advance? Not by a long shot. We know that "Cloud" is great for some things, but horrible for others. We should be choosing what we put in "Cloud" very carefully. Advancing cloud technology but also home grown technology. One being viable does not mean that the other is not viable. Both can, and should, be expanded and grown.
This is the million dollar question, but also comes with a price tag. If you want support, then you want Redhat. Support includes more than you would get with Mickeysoft for much less money.
RHEL gets you a few other things besides a check book full of support. There are far more experts with Redhat than any other distro (at least in the US). This means if you can't afford, or don't want to pay Redhat you can still find help. Good luck finding that "Gentoo" or "Slackware" expert when something breaks, or good luck affording them since he's booked by some other schlep that went with that brand.
Lets face a simple fact. At home, you can use what ever you want. Who cares about down time, bugs, learning curves, etc... none of that matters. When it comes to business, you need to have something with a support chain. You also need a fall guy when the shit hits the fan.
At work, we strictly run RHEL. Kickstarts include the full KDE suite, desk top is changed to KDE and KDE's Kiosk features are used to manage the desktops and give a common look and feel. RHEL will include everything you want from the standard linux stack, though you may have to get both a desktop and server set of media.
How dare someone interject reality in to my SciFi visions of the future!
On the more serious side, I'm sure that by the time we could develop something that could warp space, we will also have developed some sort of frictionless space flight. If we flew in space without friction, we would not be collecting all of those loose particulars.
Or they will do like they did with the US Armed forces now being able to detain without trial or cause any American citizen. It was hidden in a "Defense Spending" Bill, and Obama signed it on 12/31/11 when the rest of the US was out getting drunk.
As someone else showed, it does not take a lot in terms of logic. A network interface has to open packets, and a logic circuit to look for a specific string in a packet and die if it finds it, or worse simply repeats that packet on a broadcast to all known addresses can shut people down for a long time. A smidge more code, and we have the packet locked in a buffer so even after a power off/on the card no longer works.
Could China or Korea add such a chip to a NIC that is sold only overseas? Most likely, or they could run firmware to change their devices. Malicious code is not extremely complex to write. The millions of script kiddies plinking away at Winders systems should be proof enough of that.
Part of the problem with outsourcing all of our IT manufacturing is that we don't know what foreign agencies can kill with a single switch. It's only a part mind you, but enough that we in the US should be severely concerned with. No matter how good our hacking staff is, if the hardware they are hacking on is killed from a remote location.. well.. that pretty much ends the game.