I agree, this does seem plausible, but it looks like you can download a fully functional version of Websense with a 30 day subscription key for free.
Why would they even need to buy a small license, if that was what they were doing? Maybe they needed it to work for more than 30 days, or something, but I suppose they could also just download another evaluation in that case.
Thanks for the link, that's exactly the sort of evidence I was looking for.
It seems funny to me, too, that they ever had that on their website. The article itself seems to cast the whole thing in a bad light; While I can understand that the amount of money made on a deal like that would probably be huge, I'm not sure why they would want to be associated with it, especially in an article that makes the whole thing seem unpleasant.
The one other thing that seems curious to me is the fact that their pricing, from what I can tell, is based on the number of seats that you are attempting to cover. Wouldn't nationwide filtering for the entire country of China be such a ridiculously high number of seats that the income from it would have made them really, really rich? Granted, that link is through one of their resellers and it's also possible that exceptions in their pricing scheme were made, but it still seems like it would have been an enormous some of money.
The evidence does seem to show that they were being false in either the article claiming they had sold to the Chinese goverment or the one that says that said they hadn't, it does seem more likely that the sale was on a smaller scale for filtering in government offices. After all, their press releases also show a number of sales to the US Govermnent, and we don't have nationwide Websense filtering here.
Do you have any links to actually back up statements such as "They actually had the news release on their website a few years ago"?
I've been looking, and I'll I've found via google so far is news articles talking about a report by Amnesty International that cited Websense as a vendor who sold filtering software to the Chinese government. Many of the articles have quotes from Websense saying specifically that China is NOT a Websense customer, and that they were investigating the (reported false) accusations.
I have not been able to find any information on the Websense site in their news releases about them landing China as a customer. If you have any further evidence to back up your claims I would love to see it, though.
Yes, this goes along the lines of the quote that fortune gave me when I logged into my computer at work this morning. I thought that it was rather timely.
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class--whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy."
--Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual
How painful it is really depends on the person doing the driving. I've personally done around 1200 miles (Seattle, WA to San Diego, CA), and ~1000 miles (Corvallis, OR to San Diego) in single trips. Neither was too terrible.
To some people, though, it would be intolerable. Some people can't stand being in a car that long. Other people do all right.
My father, when working as an EE for Hewlett Packard, accidentally dropped a bowl of chili face-down onto the top of a prototype motherboard.
Before anybody had a chance to notice what had happened, he took it into the bathroom and washed it off in the sink.
After letting it dry thoroughly before turning it back on, it worked just fine.
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As do I. Sometimes even at the same time.
I agree, this does seem plausible, but it looks like you can download a fully functional version of Websense with a 30 day subscription key for free. Why would they even need to buy a small license, if that was what they were doing? Maybe they needed it to work for more than 30 days, or something, but I suppose they could also just download another evaluation in that case.
Thanks for the link, that's exactly the sort of evidence I was looking for.
It seems funny to me, too, that they ever had that on their website. The article itself seems to cast the whole thing in a bad light; While I can understand that the amount of money made on a deal like that would probably be huge, I'm not sure why they would want to be associated with it, especially in an article that makes the whole thing seem unpleasant.
The one other thing that seems curious to me is the fact that their pricing, from what I can tell, is based on the number of seats that you are attempting to cover. Wouldn't nationwide filtering for the entire country of China be such a ridiculously high number of seats that the income from it would have made them really, really rich? Granted, that link is through one of their resellers and it's also possible that exceptions in their pricing scheme were made, but it still seems like it would have been an enormous some of money.
The evidence does seem to show that they were being false in either the article claiming they had sold to the Chinese goverment or the one that says that said they hadn't, it does seem more likely that the sale was on a smaller scale for filtering in government offices. After all, their press releases also show a number of sales to the US Govermnent, and we don't have nationwide Websense filtering here.
Do you have any links to actually back up statements such as "They actually had the news release on their website a few years ago"?
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I've been looking, and I'll I've found via google so far is news articles talking about a report by Amnesty International that cited Websense as a vendor who sold filtering software to the Chinese government. Many of the articles have quotes from Websense saying specifically that China is NOT a Websense customer, and that they were investigating the (reported false) accusations.
I have not been able to find any information on the Websense site in their news releases about them landing China as a customer. If you have any further evidence to back up your claims I would love to see it, though.
See, among others:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,107520,
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2002/1202china.h
Yes, this goes along the lines of the quote that fortune gave me when I logged into my computer at work this morning. I thought that it was rather timely.
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class--whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy."
--Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual
How painful it is really depends on the person doing the driving. I've personally done around 1200 miles (Seattle, WA to San Diego, CA), and ~1000 miles (Corvallis, OR to San Diego) in single trips. Neither was too terrible. To some people, though, it would be intolerable. Some people can't stand being in a car that long. Other people do all right.
My father, when working as an EE for Hewlett Packard, accidentally dropped a bowl of chili face-down onto the top of a prototype motherboard. Before anybody had a chance to notice what had happened, he took it into the bathroom and washed it off in the sink. After letting it dry thoroughly before turning it back on, it worked just fine.
Yeah, they'll probably just cancel the pre-orders like they have before, and then have you arrested if you try to pick up your oder.
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- In Soviet Russia, F*** says YOU!
- In Soviet Russia, your nipples expose YOU!
Sheesh, all the money must be making them stupid.