I'm not saying things are great and wonderful, but this is what should be done for those guys. Mental health care in this country is pretty atrocious as it is, one step in the right direction shouldn't be thrown out just because there's a dozen more steps to take
No, people who are mentally unstable, if they are believed to be a threat to themselves or others (whether that's an outright-threat, or simply a threat to themselves because they are unable to make safe decisions (for example, a mentally ill person deciding to sleep inside of a retail store, or walking down a limited-access highway at night for fun (where pedestrians are not allowed))) they can be taken to a mental health facility for an evaluation, if they're sane but stupid.. that's one thing. if they are mentally ill, they can be provided treatment.
Really. It's a good thing. If you've ever known anyone who is seriously mentally ill, who has been involuntarily committed, you'd understand that though yes they will protest the treatment, it IS the right thing to do. There's nothing quite so heart-wrenching as talking to someone you care about and seeing That Look in their eyes. They do need help.
Yeah, this isn't a rights issue, it's a mental health issue.. and frankly I can only hope that people who don't see that simply haven't looked into the details at all, because the other option is that they think Illuminati conspiracy shit is plausible.
Sooo... look, I'm fairly certain this guy's mentally ill. I don't know what you would call someone who fully believes in Illuminati conspiracy theory and makes statements intimating that they're going to walk out the door to start the revolution and then follows it up with, yes song quotes but song quotes about lopping off heads and sharpening axes? And what do you think is more likely -- someone who he's friends with on Facebook reading his posts and getting help for him, or some super-secretive government conspiracy targeting people with 'certain views' (which to Raud mean THE TRUTH! and to sane people would mean.. nothing, because Raub's views are the shit you can listen to on NPR after midnight).
It's a mental health issue, man. I for one think it's a good thing if the mental health of our vets is taken care of.
The guy's postings paint him as legitimately mentally ill. He was picked up not because he was a threat to others but because he was a threat to himself. Now, maybe that was all unjustified worry -- but if I knew someone who actually wholly believed in Illuminati conspiracy bullshit, and if they started talking about starting the revolution, sharpening their axe and coming for heads? I'd be fucking worried they were going to do something, yes!
This isn't a your-rights-online issue, this is a mental health issue. I for one think it's a good idea if the government makes an effort to keep tabs on the mental health of veterans.
Except I'm fairly certain this guy is actually legitimately mentally ill, and some of his statements were quite worrisome -- my personal suspicion is that someone he knew spoke up to get him picked up so he could get helped. And he did talk about chopping off heads. I don't think they were actual threats, but they were the sort of thing that had I known the guy I'd be worried for HIS safety.
Well, I'd be giving myself an extra centimeter or two if I did that, and I'd feel bad for it. I'm tall enough as it is, and saying 6'2 is really me just dropping a fractional inch anyway (so.. actually about an extra centimeter or two...), but saying I'm 6'3 feels dishonest and 6'2 and 3/4 feels like I'm a 5 year old hehe
That's.. actually kinda neat. I had no idea, and had never actually wondered about it.
Now I can't stop wondering why somewhere between the 12th and 14th centuries the meaning shifted. What changed in society that changed noon? That's just so... *weird*.
this site being this site I've come across wahoos trying to argue for GMT-only time and assumed that's what was going on again (and really, the argument is only ever "waah, i have to have video meetings with people in asia and it's hard to keep things straight!" which is... actually very fucking depressing that anyone that fucking ignorant and stupid is in such a position that anyone in another country ever has to give a shit what that person has to say..).
Daylight savings kills more people every year than sharks. Er, I didn't look that one up, but I'm pretty sure it's true -- sharks are actually very safe, and there is actually a surge in heart attacks, strokes, and car accidents after sprint DST -- people lose that hour of sleep, aren't used to adjusting their sleep schedule, and it throws them off for the whole week. I don't think it saves any electricity these days either, which was the only reason for it -- factories and offices are all lit inside by electricity through the day regardless, so I really fail to see why we have to keep moving our clocks around.
Road heading north out of the town I live in is 55mph, and, about 7 miles down the road, it drops to 35mph. This wasn't just an example I made up to fit the situation, it's a real thing. That one runs N/S. The roads that run between the towns here E/W also jump between 55mph and 35mph when you get to a town. Heading east out of town, actually, after ~3 miles it jumps to 55mph, and then ~5 miles after that back down to 35.
Oh, and when I lived in the South, most of the roads down there that weren't interstates did the same thing too. 55mph in the country, 35mph as it passed through a town.
Where the fuck do YOU drive that you've never come across something like that? Do you even HAVE a car?
one's a 100% increase and the other is a 50% increase.
any fucking idiot knows that. anyone who doesn't simply didn't bother to give a half moment's thought to their answer.
your example is pretty shitty, too. you're talking about someone who's looking to buy a new car, but not just buy A new car -- this is someone who has TWO cars, and is buying a new one and doesn't care which old one they get rid of.
The.. fuck? Talk about some fucking first world problems! That's not even a problem the majority of the first world ever fucking faces! Most people replace cars when they're *worn out*, not simply because they want something shiny -- further, the sort of person who is looking to just get something new but doesn't know which of their two cars they want to replace is probably NOT going to be simply getting a new car on the basis of fucking *fuel savings*.
If you've got two cars with wildly different fuel efficiency, likely one is small and one is large. So you're replacing the small with another small and the large with another large, because gosh you need *BOTH*, but somehow they're both equally old and in need of replacing?
Really. Really dude? nobody gives two shits about that one guy who has faced that problem that one time.
That is, by the way, the ONLY argument EVER offered in favor of L/100km -- the one you gave. It's such a convoluted and unrealistic situation, and it's the best argument for it. miles/gal lets you know how far you can get pumping in a gallon of gas, right off the bat -- that's useful information. y'know, since my fuel gauge measures the fullness of my tank, and I know the capacity of it, and can just multiply where the gauge is by the full volume it holds to figure out how much gas i've got left and then multiply that by how many miles per gallon i get, BAM! Range left in my vehicle before I need to fuel it. Simple!
The President has the biggest soap box in the country. Among the largest in the world, with the exact rankings a debate for not-me.
He might not be able to dictate change, or do very much.. but he knows a lot of things are going on.
All he's gotta do is talk. That's all. Something fishy going on, he can't directly do anything about it? Tell us about it. The knowledge that something is known to the public would force a change.
When we need to start measuring the weight or mass of objects subject to gravity that isn't Earth's gravity, your argument will be relevant.
Until then, it's a meaningless distinction if you're just weighing something. We conflate them because we're all subject to the same gravitational force (the difference in gravitational force between death valley and mount everest is really negligible).
um.. actually, the mile markers on the interstate here and most states i've been to in the past decade are marked every tenth of a mile, and that's surveyed distance. they're pretty accurate -- more accurate than the number of significant figures on the sign would lead you to believe. but then, all the world can't be a scientific paper (good or bad thing, YOU DECIDE!)
fahrenheit's great for day-to-day, tomorrow's weather sort of things, because every 10 degrees is basically a different sort of clothing to be worn. 30s is cold as poop (and anything lower is just even colder poop), 40s is cold, 50s is chilly, 60s is nice to brisk, 70s is nice to warm, 80s warm to hot, 90s or up don't wear anything that can't be sweated on.. from jacket and gloves, to jacket, to flannel shirt, to long sleeve shirt, to tshirt, to shorts, and finally 90 and up i just sit around the house naked with a fan under my desk so i have no point of reference.
seriously it's the greatest thing in the world, dont hate.
I. wow that's kinda dumb. Firstly I've never even heard of kilogram-force.. but, wow. How useless to have it and N*m together. If it was foot-pounds, yes, I have wrenches with foot-pound and newton-meter scales, and that's reasonable.. but two different scales both using metric units? that's silly. that's just silly.
That's actually a pretty terrible idea - mixed signs? That should be something done *QUICKLY*.
You don't want a road sign to say "55 MPH", and then 2 miles down the road the speed limit drops to 35 MPH which is.. shit. 55 km/h.
Well, people should be more aware, I'd agree, but I think you can see that a gradual change like you suggest is simply *asking* for accidents to happen.
Height is easier in feet an inches than meters and centimeters.
No... really, it is. When asked how tall I am, I can say, "i'm six two". Just that, 3 words. With metric, I'd have to either say "i'm one point eight eight", or maybe drop the final eight and round up or down, and maybe drop the point.. but if I did all that, and said "i'm one eight", that's a pretty inaccurate statement about my height, as 1.8m isn't 6'2, it's actually shy of 5'11, and people would think I'm odd if I undersold my height to that degree (as it is, i'm closer to 6'3 and my everyday footwear is a pair of engineer boots -- once you add in the thick sole and the heel, i stand closer to 6'4 or 6'5).
Oh, and temperature's nicer in farenheit, at least for weather outside. Roughly every 10 degrees of farenheit is a different sort of clothing you'll want to wear -- but in celcius, that's only a 6 degree difference (whatever, it's actually 6.25). That one is a bit of a stretch even compared to the height thing, but it actually is a wonderful scale to use for just seeing what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.
daylight savings is a waste, but having everyone use GMT is just retarded -- it doesn't solve any problems.
Oh, it makes people who frequently must schedule meetings with people in other countries work slightly less. That is, they don't have to remember what time zone they are calling. That's so tough, though!
For everyone else? It'd have no benefit whatsoever.
Time is just made-up numbers on a made-up scale. Use GMT if you want. The rest of the world won't, because I like lunch at noon and dinner in the afternoon, not lunch at 7am and dinner at noon. Yes, that really is pretty silly -- but so is changing those made-up numbers on the made-up scale for everyone else when it's entirely possible to either take 3 seconds to do the math you need or to just use GMT of your own free will.
Nobody gives half a shit. The term is 140 years old and is not simply an American term (though it was coined here).
Enjoy your expanded vocabulary. At least it isn't some godawful full-retard work like gaol, or some fucking Australian throwing rhyming slang that can't be deduced without knowing the generations-past pop culture reference it was originally based upon.
There has been a concerted effort to develop these 'smart guns' for the last TWENTY YEARS and we are hardly any closer now than we were at the start of things.
Technological issues aside, there's also the practical issue of how you enable the gun to fire certain times and not others. A ring or wrist tag? Useless for saving cops from being shot by their own guns (which happens very, very, VERY infrequently, if we are being honest here). A fingerprint? Fingerprint scanners aren't too hard to fool, and then you have the issues that arise from dirt, mud, sand, snow, *gloved fucking hands*, and simply holding the firearm in a manner that doesn't put your finger on the scanner (people have drastically differently-sized hands; do you want people with large or small hands to be forced to have their firearms retrofitted simply so they're able to shoot them? sure, at the very extremes now you have to -- but a replacement stock or grip is going to be a fuckton cheaper than rewiring electronics). So then what? What method are you going to use to make the gun fireable by one or some people but not just any person?
It's just not the technology that is holding it back from being reality, though that's also a problem.
My argument, by the by, isn't that movies cannot be real. My argument is that dickhole politicians like this douche have been, for 20 years, trying to mandate technology that DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST outside of movies. Do you need a fucking car analogy? Fine. This is no different than if Mr. Douche up there had introduced a bill mandating that cars are all to be powered by Mr. Fusion.
It's not real. It doesn't exist. Just passing a law saying it's required won't make it exist, it will only prohibit the things we DO have, that DO exist, from being used. There is nothing to replace it, because the legally-mandated replacement is vaporware.
actually AFAIK that's exactly what happens here in the states, if someone goes 'missing' of their own free will, are reported missing, and then are found by police. the cops'll ask them if things are fine, more or less, and if the person's desire was to lose all contact.. the police will say that the person was found, and is fine, and nothing else.
You can't cover up an atmospheric nuke, you can hardly even cover up an underground one. people will find out. we're good at spotting the radiation and fallout and unique shockwave if it's underground.
the rest of the world wouldn't agree to stay quiet about things
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I'm not saying things are great and wonderful, but this is what should be done for those guys. Mental health care in this country is pretty atrocious as it is, one step in the right direction shouldn't be thrown out just because there's a dozen more steps to take
No, people who are mentally unstable, if they are believed to be a threat to themselves or others (whether that's an outright-threat, or simply a threat to themselves because they are unable to make safe decisions (for example, a mentally ill person deciding to sleep inside of a retail store, or walking down a limited-access highway at night for fun (where pedestrians are not allowed))) they can be taken to a mental health facility for an evaluation, if they're sane but stupid.. that's one thing. if they are mentally ill, they can be provided treatment.
Really. It's a good thing. If you've ever known anyone who is seriously mentally ill, who has been involuntarily committed, you'd understand that though yes they will protest the treatment, it IS the right thing to do. There's nothing quite so heart-wrenching as talking to someone you care about and seeing That Look in their eyes. They do need help.
Yeah, this isn't a rights issue, it's a mental health issue.. and frankly I can only hope that people who don't see that simply haven't looked into the details at all, because the other option is that they think Illuminati conspiracy shit is plausible.
Sooo... look, I'm fairly certain this guy's mentally ill. I don't know what you would call someone who fully believes in Illuminati conspiracy theory and makes statements intimating that they're going to walk out the door to start the revolution and then follows it up with, yes song quotes but song quotes about lopping off heads and sharpening axes? And what do you think is more likely -- someone who he's friends with on Facebook reading his posts and getting help for him, or some super-secretive government conspiracy targeting people with 'certain views' (which to Raud mean THE TRUTH! and to sane people would mean.. nothing, because Raub's views are the shit you can listen to on NPR after midnight).
It's a mental health issue, man. I for one think it's a good thing if the mental health of our vets is taken care of.
I recall when this story first hit.
The guy's postings paint him as legitimately mentally ill. He was picked up not because he was a threat to others but because he was a threat to himself.
Now, maybe that was all unjustified worry -- but if I knew someone who actually wholly believed in Illuminati conspiracy bullshit, and if they started talking about starting the revolution, sharpening their axe and coming for heads? I'd be fucking worried they were going to do something, yes!
This isn't a your-rights-online issue, this is a mental health issue. I for one think it's a good idea if the government makes an effort to keep tabs on the mental health of veterans.
Except I'm fairly certain this guy is actually legitimately mentally ill, and some of his statements were quite worrisome -- my personal suspicion is that someone he knew spoke up to get him picked up so he could get helped. And he did talk about chopping off heads. I don't think they were actual threats, but they were the sort of thing that had I known the guy I'd be worried for HIS safety.
Well, I'd be giving myself an extra centimeter or two if I did that, and I'd feel bad for it. I'm tall enough as it is, and saying 6'2 is really me just dropping a fractional inch anyway (so.. actually about an extra centimeter or two...), but saying I'm 6'3 feels dishonest and 6'2 and 3/4 feels like I'm a 5 year old hehe
That's.. actually kinda neat. I had no idea, and had never actually wondered about it.
Now I can't stop wondering why somewhere between the 12th and 14th centuries the meaning shifted. What changed in society that changed noon? That's just so... *weird*.
Well then, we are agreed.
this site being this site I've come across wahoos trying to argue for GMT-only time and assumed that's what was going on again (and really, the argument is only ever "waah, i have to have video meetings with people in asia and it's hard to keep things straight!" which is... actually very fucking depressing that anyone that fucking ignorant and stupid is in such a position that anyone in another country ever has to give a shit what that person has to say..).
Daylight savings kills more people every year than sharks. Er, I didn't look that one up, but I'm pretty sure it's true -- sharks are actually very safe, and there is actually a surge in heart attacks, strokes, and car accidents after sprint DST -- people lose that hour of sleep, aren't used to adjusting their sleep schedule, and it throws them off for the whole week. I don't think it saves any electricity these days either, which was the only reason for it -- factories and offices are all lit inside by electricity through the day regardless, so I really fail to see why we have to keep moving our clocks around.
Why does it have to be a federal highway?
Road heading north out of the town I live in is 55mph, and, about 7 miles down the road, it drops to 35mph.
This wasn't just an example I made up to fit the situation, it's a real thing. That one runs N/S.
The roads that run between the towns here E/W also jump between 55mph and 35mph when you get to a town. Heading east out of town, actually, after ~3 miles it jumps to 55mph, and then ~5 miles after that back down to 35.
Oh, and when I lived in the South, most of the roads down there that weren't interstates did the same thing too. 55mph in the country, 35mph as it passed through a town.
Where the fuck do YOU drive that you've never come across something like that? Do you even HAVE a car?
idjit detected.
one's a 100% increase and the other is a 50% increase.
any fucking idiot knows that. anyone who doesn't simply didn't bother to give a half moment's thought to their answer.
your example is pretty shitty, too. you're talking about someone who's looking to buy a new car, but not just buy A new car -- this is someone who has TWO cars, and is buying a new one and doesn't care which old one they get rid of.
The.. fuck? Talk about some fucking first world problems! That's not even a problem the majority of the first world ever fucking faces! Most people replace cars when they're *worn out*, not simply because they want something shiny -- further, the sort of person who is looking to just get something new but doesn't know which of their two cars they want to replace is probably NOT going to be simply getting a new car on the basis of fucking *fuel savings*.
If you've got two cars with wildly different fuel efficiency, likely one is small and one is large. So you're replacing the small with another small and the large with another large, because gosh you need *BOTH*, but somehow they're both equally old and in need of replacing?
Really. Really dude? nobody gives two shits about that one guy who has faced that problem that one time.
That is, by the way, the ONLY argument EVER offered in favor of L/100km -- the one you gave. It's such a convoluted and unrealistic situation, and it's the best argument for it. miles/gal lets you know how far you can get pumping in a gallon of gas, right off the bat -- that's useful information. y'know, since my fuel gauge measures the fullness of my tank, and I know the capacity of it, and can just multiply where the gauge is by the full volume it holds to figure out how much gas i've got left and then multiply that by how many miles per gallon i get, BAM! Range left in my vehicle before I need to fuel it. Simple!
L/100km is, in fact, the most stupid way to measure fuel efficiency possible.
I really kinda suspect it's used for that very reason honestly.
That's pretty narrow-minded.
The President has the biggest soap box in the country. Among the largest in the world, with the exact rankings a debate for not-me.
He might not be able to dictate change, or do very much.. but he knows a lot of things are going on.
All he's gotta do is talk. That's all. Something fishy going on, he can't directly do anything about it? Tell us about it. The knowledge that something is known to the public would force a change.
When we need to start measuring the weight or mass of objects subject to gravity that isn't Earth's gravity, your argument will be relevant.
Until then, it's a meaningless distinction if you're just weighing something. We conflate them because we're all subject to the same gravitational force (the difference in gravitational force between death valley and mount everest is really negligible).
um.. actually, the mile markers on the interstate here and most states i've been to in the past decade are marked every tenth of a mile, and that's surveyed distance. they're pretty accurate -- more accurate than the number of significant figures on the sign would lead you to believe. but then, all the world can't be a scientific paper (good or bad thing, YOU DECIDE!)
fahrenheit's great for day-to-day, tomorrow's weather sort of things, because every 10 degrees is basically a different sort of clothing to be worn. 30s is cold as poop (and anything lower is just even colder poop), 40s is cold, 50s is chilly, 60s is nice to brisk, 70s is nice to warm, 80s warm to hot, 90s or up don't wear anything that can't be sweated on.. from jacket and gloves, to jacket, to flannel shirt, to long sleeve shirt, to tshirt, to shorts, and finally 90 and up i just sit around the house naked with a fan under my desk so i have no point of reference.
seriously it's the greatest thing in the world, dont hate.
Tell her to stop cutting your portions by 20% and go with 1/4 like any reasonable person!
I. wow that's kinda dumb. Firstly I've never even heard of kilogram-force.. but, wow. How useless to have it and N*m together. If it was foot-pounds, yes, I have wrenches with foot-pound and newton-meter scales, and that's reasonable.. but two different scales both using metric units? that's silly. that's just silly.
That's actually a pretty terrible idea - mixed signs? That should be something done *QUICKLY*.
You don't want a road sign to say "55 MPH", and then 2 miles down the road the speed limit drops to 35 MPH which is.. shit. 55 km/h.
Well, people should be more aware, I'd agree, but I think you can see that a gradual change like you suggest is simply *asking* for accidents to happen.
Height is easier in feet an inches than meters and centimeters.
No... really, it is. When asked how tall I am, I can say, "i'm six two". Just that, 3 words.
With metric, I'd have to either say "i'm one point eight eight", or maybe drop the final eight and round up or down, and maybe drop the point.. but if I did all that, and said "i'm one eight", that's a pretty inaccurate statement about my height, as 1.8m isn't 6'2, it's actually shy of 5'11, and people would think I'm odd if I undersold my height to that degree (as it is, i'm closer to 6'3 and my everyday footwear is a pair of engineer boots -- once you add in the thick sole and the heel, i stand closer to 6'4 or 6'5).
Oh, and temperature's nicer in farenheit, at least for weather outside. Roughly every 10 degrees of farenheit is a different sort of clothing you'll want to wear -- but in celcius, that's only a 6 degree difference (whatever, it's actually 6.25). That one is a bit of a stretch even compared to the height thing, but it actually is a wonderful scale to use for just seeing what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.
daylight savings is a waste, but having everyone use GMT is just retarded -- it doesn't solve any problems.
Oh, it makes people who frequently must schedule meetings with people in other countries work slightly less. That is, they don't have to remember what time zone they are calling. That's so tough, though!
For everyone else? It'd have no benefit whatsoever.
Time is just made-up numbers on a made-up scale. Use GMT if you want. The rest of the world won't, because I like lunch at noon and dinner in the afternoon, not lunch at 7am and dinner at noon. Yes, that really is pretty silly -- but so is changing those made-up numbers on the made-up scale for everyone else when it's entirely possible to either take 3 seconds to do the math you need or to just use GMT of your own free will.
Nobody gives half a shit. The term is 140 years old and is not simply an American term (though it was coined here).
Enjoy your expanded vocabulary. At least it isn't some godawful full-retard work like gaol, or some fucking Australian throwing rhyming slang that can't be deduced without knowing the generations-past pop culture reference it was originally based upon.
Yeah, no.
There has been a concerted effort to develop these 'smart guns' for the last TWENTY YEARS and we are hardly any closer now than we were at the start of things.
Technological issues aside, there's also the practical issue of how you enable the gun to fire certain times and not others. A ring or wrist tag? Useless for saving cops from being shot by their own guns (which happens very, very, VERY infrequently, if we are being honest here). A fingerprint? Fingerprint scanners aren't too hard to fool, and then you have the issues that arise from dirt, mud, sand, snow, *gloved fucking hands*, and simply holding the firearm in a manner that doesn't put your finger on the scanner (people have drastically differently-sized hands; do you want people with large or small hands to be forced to have their firearms retrofitted simply so they're able to shoot them? sure, at the very extremes now you have to -- but a replacement stock or grip is going to be a fuckton cheaper than rewiring electronics). So then what? What method are you going to use to make the gun fireable by one or some people but not just any person?
It's just not the technology that is holding it back from being reality, though that's also a problem.
My argument, by the by, isn't that movies cannot be real. My argument is that dickhole politicians like this douche have been, for 20 years, trying to mandate technology that DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST outside of movies. Do you need a fucking car analogy? Fine. This is no different than if Mr. Douche up there had introduced a bill mandating that cars are all to be powered by Mr. Fusion.
It's not real. It doesn't exist. Just passing a law saying it's required won't make it exist, it will only prohibit the things we DO have, that DO exist, from being used. There is nothing to replace it, because the legally-mandated replacement is vaporware.
actually AFAIK that's exactly what happens here in the states, if someone goes 'missing' of their own free will, are reported missing, and then are found by police. the cops'll ask them if things are fine, more or less, and if the person's desire was to lose all contact.. the police will say that the person was found, and is fine, and nothing else.
You can't cover up an atmospheric nuke, you can hardly even cover up an underground one. people will find out. we're good at spotting the radiation and fallout and unique shockwave if it's underground.
the rest of the world wouldn't agree to stay quiet about things