Nevertheless Linus has now publicly declared that he is against reverse engineering. Reverse engineering is a perfectly legal and a powerful tool for all open source developers and linus has publicly berated them.
It's bad, Linus needs to apologize to everybody who uses reverse engineering and he needs to make it clear that there is nothing ethically, legally or morally wrong with it.
You can bet your ass pwerful commercial interests will use his words to try and make reverse engineering illegal.
"No, that's more like taking back the tractor you lent to a friend because his neighbor is taking apart the engine at night in order to learn how it works."
Bad anology, nobody is taking anything apart. Tridge is simply observing how the tractor works so he can try and build one himself.
By the way why is taking back your tractor because somebody wants to make another one like is ethical or moral in any philosophical framework?
"A telling statement of the rationality of a GPL zealot."
This is rich, a shill questioning the rationality of a zealot. At the zealot is working for a higher ideal, the shill is trying to make money.
No wasn't comparing them. You see locate worked, so does spotlight. The MS indexing service never really worked. I don't think it's fair to compare working systems in production to botched abortions.
MS index server was an abomination that never worked. It was a prime example of how MS can take something in unix (locate) and the implement it so poorly that it became a laughing stock of the IT world.
Same with Active desktop. Have you ever seen anybody who was running active desktop? I haven't and there is a reason for that. It sucked camel balls.
HE is not aware of anybody using anything from Sun?
"the PHB knows that any problems you have because of MS, your competitors are having also."
What if your competitor is not having the problems at all, what if while you sit on your ass blaming MS for lost productivity your competition is happily working beating your ass?
I did pay for the APP once my warranty was about to run out. Apple called me and told me that the warranty was about to expire and asked if I wanted it. They gave me a student discount (so it only cost 200) and told me they would cover all accesories and add-ons too. I thought it was worth $200.00 especially considering it's on site service. Time will tell if I will need it.
I call it the sucker tax. The world needs suckers so that the rest of us can get breaks. Rebates are an excellent example. The suckers buy the product and don't mail in the rebate, we mail in the rebate and save money. We were able to save that money because the suckers subsidised us by paying more.
Same with ALL advertising. You get to watch TV because the suckers are buying everything Britney SPears puts out.
That's odd, as new Apple customer my experience has been so much different. When my powebook 15 got the now famous white spots on the screen I called apple. They sent me a box with pre-paid shipping, I put the laptop in the box and put it in the mail. I got it back faster then I thought and with a brand new screen.
Also when my wife accidentally turned off the UPS for my powermac it would not come back on. I called applecare and some guy walked me through resetting the motherboard.
My two experiences with Apple in the last two years have been great. Maybe they turned over a new leaf.
There is a CIO someplace who chooses software based purely on the fact that he can blame MS. This CIO knows full well blaming MS will not solve the problem. He does not have the resources to sue MS. He does not have the power to make MS do anything. And yet based 100% on the ability to say "your document got lost and it's the fault of MS" he chooses to pay $400.00 per desktop.
Furthermore this CIO is so stupid that it never occurs to him to pay $50.00 per desktop to Sun and use staroffice and say "your document got lost and it's the fault of Sun".
I know the state of American business today is a sad spectacle to behold but are there any CIOs who are that dumb? If so please name them so we don't accidently own any of their stock.
" Anytime we do we are attacked as hypocrites by the extreme left."
So that prevents you from letting the american taliban take over your conservative identity?
Besides you probably are being hypocritical.
"We've basically taken on a policy of just sitting back with a bowl of popcorn and laughing as the extremists on both sides fight to the death in the political colosseum."
Nonsense. You all voted for George Bush didn't you? If you vote you are not sitting on the sidelines, you are actively helping the American Taliban and the noecon facists get into power and shred all of your so called principles like smaller govt, responsible spending, govt off of our backs etc.
What this tells me is that conservatives don't have any values or principles. They have vague guidelines that they are very ready to compromise as long as a republican wins. You are not conservatives because there is no such thing as a conservative, you are simply republicans who will vote for whoever wants to call himself a republican. It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with labling.
"Self-Contained" means that everything you need should be in the operating system. Like a media player, a web browser, an e-mail client, an IM client, a basic Word(Pad) processor, a notepad..."
"Here is where you miss the point of "out of the box". When your average idiot buys a computer from Dell, Gateway, HP, $RESELLER. He gets it home, opens the box, plugs it in, and lo and behold it WORKS. That is what the phrase means."
If that was true then Apple would have a monopoly. For decades apple made machines that worked right out of the box while MS made operating systems that crashed and needed lots of tweaking. Remember the DOS days when you had to tweak your config.sys and autoexec to make a game run? Remember trying to make modems work without conflicting with other IRQs? During all that time the Macs "just worked", modems plugged in and worked, games installed and ran.
And yet people continued to use windows. Why? first of all it was cheaper, secondly businesses used it, and finally PEOPLE LIKED TWEAKING, it make them like they were in control of their machine.
Linux will win for the same reasons. It's cheaper, businesses are starting to adopt it and it's tweakable.
History shows that open systems do better then closed ones.
Exactly!. There is nothing wrong with that. Since the govt refuses to punish MS It's only natural that I would cheer any entity who can take them down a notch, no matter how small that notch is.
"He wants OSS to put the same effort into designing products that closed software does. He doesn't want OSS to leech off of paid software by letting closed-source companies do the hard work."
He should say so and explain himself then. I have never heard him say such a thing and neither have you.
"Linux is a competitor to other operating systems, but unlike reverse-engineered programs, 100% of the effort that's gone into Linux has been put there by OSS contributors."
Bullshit. Virutally all the good parts of linux were first implemented in commercial systems. NUMA, journaled file systems, multi processing etc.
Sounds to me like you are talking out of your ass there.
Hell yes. God knows how much longer we could have put up with all that peace and prosperity.
I am so happy now that the dollar is falling, the surplus is gone, gas is at $2.50, the deficit is larger then ever, govt spending up, the govt has grown both in size and scope, there is less freedom and there is a world war going on.
THe second amendmend it useless in the face of modern firepower and intelligence. Go ask the palestenians how well those AK47s are working against the israeli tanks, helicopers, missiles, drones and bulldozers.
If the second amendment is to have any effectiveness it has to allow bomb making equipment and materials, biological weapons, and chemical weapons. To think that you are going to hold off combined might of the the US military, FBI, the CIA and others with an m16 is delusion of the highest order.
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Reverse engineering is legal, moral and ethical. What is your beef with it?
I guess it's not the best tool available if it can become unavalable because some asshole woke up on the wrong side of the bed is it?
What happened to the tridge's choice? How come Linus isn't for that?
Nevertheless Linus has now publicly declared that he is against reverse engineering. Reverse engineering is a perfectly legal and a powerful tool for all open source developers and linus has publicly berated them.
It's bad, Linus needs to apologize to everybody who uses reverse engineering and he needs to make it clear that there is nothing ethically, legally or morally wrong with it.
You can bet your ass pwerful commercial interests will use his words to try and make reverse engineering illegal.
"No, that's more like taking back the tractor you lent to a friend because his neighbor is taking apart the engine at night in order to learn how it works."
Bad anology, nobody is taking anything apart. Tridge is simply observing how the tractor works so he can try and build one himself.
By the way why is taking back your tractor because somebody wants to make another one like is ethical or moral in any philosophical framework?
"A telling statement of the rationality of a GPL zealot."
This is rich, a shill questioning the rationality of a zealot. At the zealot is working for a higher ideal, the shill is trying to make money.
No wasn't comparing them. You see locate worked, so does spotlight. The MS indexing service never really worked. I don't think it's fair to compare working systems in production to botched abortions.
MS index server was an abomination that never worked. It was a prime example of how MS can take something in unix (locate) and the implement it so poorly that it became a laughing stock of the IT world.
Same with Active desktop. Have you ever seen anybody who was running active desktop? I haven't and there is a reason for that. It sucked camel balls.
" however, the PHB has heard of MS."
But has never heard of Sun, IBM, HP, or Novell?
"the PHB knows that everyone uses MS."
HE is not aware of anybody using anything from Sun?
"the PHB knows that any problems you have because of MS, your competitors are having also."
What if your competitor is not having the problems at all, what if while you sit on your ass blaming MS for lost productivity your competition is happily working beating your ass?
I did pay for the APP once my warranty was about to run out. Apple called me and told me that the warranty was about to expire and asked if I wanted it. They gave me a student discount (so it only cost 200) and told me they would cover all accesories and add-ons too. I thought it was worth $200.00 especially considering it's on site service. Time will tell if I will need it.
Last year at WWDC Apple had huge posters that said things like "Mac OS X, introducing longhorn" and "Redmond start your photocopiers".
I thought it was cute, now I know it was prophetic.
I call it the sucker tax. The world needs suckers so that the rest of us can get breaks. Rebates are an excellent example. The suckers buy the product and don't mail in the rebate, we mail in the rebate and save money. We were able to save that money because the suckers subsidised us by paying more.
Same with ALL advertising. You get to watch TV because the suckers are buying everything Britney SPears puts out.
That's odd, as new Apple customer my experience has been so much different. When my powebook 15 got the now famous white spots on the screen I called apple. They sent me a box with pre-paid shipping, I put the laptop in the box and put it in the mail. I got it back faster then I thought and with a brand new screen.
Also when my wife accidentally turned off the UPS for my powermac it would not come back on. I called applecare and some guy walked me through resetting the motherboard.
My two experiences with Apple in the last two years have been great. Maybe they turned over a new leaf.
So let me get this straight.
There is a CIO someplace who chooses software based purely on the fact that he can blame MS. This CIO knows full well blaming MS will not solve the problem. He does not have the resources to sue MS. He does not have the power to make MS do anything. And yet based 100% on the ability to say "your document got lost and it's the fault of MS" he chooses to pay $400.00 per desktop.
Furthermore this CIO is so stupid that it never occurs to him to pay $50.00 per desktop to Sun and use staroffice and say "your document got lost and it's the fault of Sun".
I know the state of American business today is a sad spectacle to behold but are there any CIOs who are that dumb? If so please name them so we don't accidently own any of their stock.
So you are what passes for a conservative these days? No wonder you guys buckled so easily when the taliban came into your tents.
"How is this different from the RIAA going after its infringers? In both cases, they're intellectual property violations."
He is not asking for money, he is simply asking them to comply with the GPL.
So yes both a IP violations but the method of enforcement is vastly different.
" Anytime we do we are attacked as hypocrites by the extreme left."
So that prevents you from letting the american taliban take over your conservative identity?
Besides you probably are being hypocritical.
"We've basically taken on a policy of just sitting back with a bowl of popcorn and laughing as the extremists on both sides fight to the death in the political colosseum."
Nonsense. You all voted for George Bush didn't you? If you vote you are not sitting on the sidelines, you are actively helping the American Taliban and the noecon facists get into power and shred all of your so called principles like smaller govt, responsible spending, govt off of our backs etc.
What this tells me is that conservatives don't have any values or principles. They have vague guidelines that they are very ready to compromise as long as a republican wins. You are not conservatives because there is no such thing as a conservative, you are simply republicans who will vote for whoever wants to call himself a republican. It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with labling.
Scripting works in unix because every part of unix designed to be scripted. Same can't be said for windows.
"Self-Contained" means that everything you need should be in the operating system. Like a media player, a web browser, an e-mail client, an IM client, a basic Word(Pad) processor, a notepad..."
And which linux distro does not have that?
"Here is where you miss the point of "out of the box".
When your average idiot buys a computer from Dell, Gateway, HP, $RESELLER. He gets it home, opens the box, plugs it in, and lo and behold it WORKS. That is what the phrase means."
If that was true then Apple would have a monopoly. For decades apple made machines that worked right out of the box while MS made operating systems that crashed and needed lots of tweaking. Remember the DOS days when you had to tweak your config.sys and autoexec to make a game run? Remember trying to make modems work without conflicting with other IRQs? During all that time the Macs "just worked", modems plugged in and worked, games installed and ran.
And yet people continued to use windows. Why? first of all it was cheaper, secondly businesses used it, and finally PEOPLE LIKED TWEAKING, it make them like they were in control of their machine.
Linux will win for the same reasons. It's cheaper, businesses are starting to adopt it and it's tweakable.
History shows that open systems do better then closed ones.
Exactly!. There is nothing wrong with that. Since the govt refuses to punish MS It's only natural that I would cheer any entity who can take them down a notch, no matter how small that notch is.
"As dubious as it sounds, it can also be a matter of, after looking at it indetail, they discovered that there was nothing special about it."
I guess that's what this lawsuit is about. Apparently MS thought there was something there because they implemented the technology.
How come I haven't seen even one "conservative" on TV denouncing the neocon and the religious right?
"He wants OSS to put the same effort into designing products that closed software does. He doesn't want OSS to leech off of paid software by letting closed-source companies do the hard work."
He should say so and explain himself then. I have never heard him say such a thing and neither have you.
"Linux is a competitor to other operating systems, but unlike reverse-engineered programs, 100% of the effort that's gone into Linux has been put there by OSS contributors."
Bullshit. Virutally all the good parts of linux were first implemented in commercial systems. NUMA, journaled file systems, multi processing etc.
Sounds to me like you are talking out of your ass there.
Hell yes. God knows how much longer we could have put up with all that peace and prosperity.
I am so happy now that the dollar is falling, the surplus is gone, gas is at $2.50, the deficit is larger then ever, govt spending up, the govt has grown both in size and scope, there is less freedom and there is a world war going on.
THe second amendmend it useless in the face of modern firepower and intelligence. Go ask the palestenians how well those AK47s are working against the israeli tanks, helicopers, missiles, drones and bulldozers.
If the second amendment is to have any effectiveness it has to allow bomb making equipment and materials, biological weapons, and chemical weapons. To think that you are going to hold off combined might of the the US military, FBI, the CIA and others with an m16 is delusion of the highest order.