"Yeah, Safari 2 can do this. It isn't clever. It's obvious. "
I am running a tiger developer preview right now. And no you can't do it with safari. All you can do is bookmark the rss page. Firefox presents the rss feed as a drop down like a menu. This means I don't have to stop viewing the page I am reading just to scan the slashdot headlines.
But hey keep lying, maybe somebody will believe you.
Oh and you forgot to tell me why finder is so great and l33t!.
"Clever? You can't even read RSS entries in Firefox (though I'm sure someone will post a link to some extention) -- all you get are headlines. There's nothing clever about being half-assed."
What is clever is having the RSS feed show up in your bookmarks or toolbar so you can scan the headlines and see if you want to read the article. That's what RSS was invented for. RIght now I have slashdot, BBC news and my del.icio.us bookmarks on my toolbar.
With safari all you get to do is to actually surf the site and see the RSS version of the page once you get there. That's lame, even lamer then lame it's retarded.
"You're like 15 years old, aren't you?"
HA HA HA. That's very funny. I don't like finder so I must be 15 year old. Finder is the worst thing in mac os x. So tell me why you think finder is a brilliant way to get around your program and how nobody has ever come out with anything better then finder. Hell I used lotus magellan and xtree in the dos days and both of them were a thousand times better then finder. Buy hey don't listen to me, I am just a fifteen year old cos like only kids don't like finder. All the cool adults think finder is so l33t.
" It's "Hungary". Which is actually doing rather well since they got out of the Soviet sphere of influence."
Apparently those that are launching a relentless stream of spam and hack attacks on my firewall from "Hungary" haven't gotten the message yet. From what I hear spam and hacking are the least of it.
Doesn't bernstein have a scheme where the sender stores the email until it's accepted? Is seems like that would make spamming a little more expensive at least.
In the past the FBI has already caught people by simply buying what they were selling and then finding the person who cached the check.
Of course the FBI can't arrest people in the lawless places of the world like croatia and hungry so those government will need to shed their corruption.
In other words I don't think your scheme will work because so much of the world is out of the reach of law enforcement.
"Oh god....gut busting. This is too fucking rich. Tell me something - are you really this incredibly stupid? (I suspect so) Are you so blinded by your idiotic zeal that you think this is rational and well-thought out?"
Everything I said is 100% factually true. When you code using the BSD license you are volunteering as a developer for apple, MS or whever uses that code make proprietary products with. Not that there is nothing wrong with that, some people don't mind volunteering to large corporations. Other people do and that's why we choose GPL.
'Perhaps you missed the prior point (of course you did), but the overwhelming majority of GPL software users are not developers, and they will never contribute anything back. "
Sure, OK. But hey guess what, even users can (and do) help by submitting bug reports, deisgning logos, helping out on newsgroups, irc, mailing lists etc.
"Many of them are running businesses, and GPL nutbars like yourself have them laughing to the bank, allowing a critical part of their infrastructure to be free."
More power to them. As long as they don't steal the code they can do whatever they want. GPL ensures fair competition. We like that.
Name the industry and name the top five players. Is that really so much to ask?
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"There is no such law, but it is quite likely that Dell has signed a contract with Intel to exclusively purchase and sell Intel processors only in exchange for preferential pricing."
Aah and so my comment about capitalism being derailed in this case.
I think the DOJ should look into this, it sure sounds like manipulation of the market to me.
I just tried that. Oddly enough it would not hide finder.
BTW I was so disapointed when I found out tiger still had the finder and that it was pretty much unchanged. It's an abomination and it needs to go. Let's just hope they made it so the mouse moves faster, I like a really fast mouse.
I looked everywhere at Dell to find a $200 PC. I could not find one. I looked at the refurbished PCs and I could not find one for $200.00. In fact the shipping on a refurbished PC from dell was $99.00 minimum.
Could you please provide a link to where you found a $200.00 dell.
"Look, if people are willing to pay for bad movies (when there are very many good movies produced independently), why should they bother making good ones?"
Raise your hands if you went to see episode I even after you heard what a horrible film ir was. Rais eyour hands if you saw episode II even though you knew it was going to suck. Raise your hands if you plan on waiting in line for episode III.
Now take that raised hand and slap yourself with it.
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"1. AMD cannot supply the volume DELL requires. (AMD would need to double their capacity just to supply all of DELL's volume.)"
So what? Why not sell as many as you can?
"2. AMD cannot supply the complete systems Intel does. DELL does not have RnD. Intel supplys complete proc, chipset, motherboard, drives, bios, etc."
Again so what? As long as you can put together a sysytem what's the big deal?
You seem to be saying that Dell buys an entire motherboard/CPU combination from intel. Is that really true?
"3. AMD cannot supply the quality DELL requires. All AMD64 systems have issues when all DIMM slots are used. DELL's would be getting class action law suits if they shipped millions of that crap."
On this I call bullshit.
"4. AMD cannot touch Centrino for performance and power. Mobile is the fastest gowing segment. This year Mobile will ship more than desktops. DELL has picked the best supplier for the fastest growing market segment."
You seem to be under some sort of an impression that Dell is only allowed to sell processors from one manufacturer. I don't know where you think somebody passed that law but it's not true. If it's true that intel makes better processors for laptops then dell can sell intel laptops. They can also sell intel desktops AND sell AMD desktops too.
Why would they not sell something a segment of the market wants especially if it costs less?
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If all that is true then explain this to me.
AMD sells processors for less then intel even though intel processors cost less to make right?
So why isn't dell selling machines with AMD processors in them so they can sell them cheaper? Why do they have to try and play this game to try get intel chips cheaper? Is there a law that says you can only sell computers with one companies chips in them?
It sounds to me like somewhere in this process capitalism derailed.
"And in this case the commercial license came into play because, as is classic in the innovative world of OSS, someone was working their hardest to steal the design of Bitkeeper. It was hardly an arbitrary decision."
Again this points out the one of the biggest problems with using proprietary software. If a company feel that you are trying to compete with them or trying to co-operate with people who compete with them they can pull your license and prevent you from using their software.
In this case some individual was developing software in his own time that might one day compete with bitkeeper. When OSDL refused to fire the guy bitkeeper prevented linus and thousands of other linux developers from using bitkeeper.
Whenever a commercial company wants to they can prevent you from using their software. Even if you paid for it.
"However I, and many others, will negatively mention the GPL because it is a selfish and self-serving license (yes, JUST LIKE COMMERCIAL LICENSES), yet GPL fanatics dream that it is the second coming."
It's not the second coming, it just prevents leeches like you from getting rich off their software. Lucky for you there is lots of BSD code to steal from.
GPL is great because it prevents welfare programs like BSD. BSD is just a giant welfare program for commercial software writers. It's just people volunteering their services so that companies can make money off them.
That's great for some people but not for me and not for tens of thousands of other people. We prefer that our code remain our code. It's a self healing commons, one that can never be taken away.
I know for a fact that there are accounting and medical software packages running on linux. SO you must be talking about some other industry where all the applications are windows applications.
Again I have a simple request. Name the industy, name the top five software manufacturers so that I can investigate the field and see of there is an opportunity for me to write an application to compete with them.
Nobody will complain about anything if you are USING gpled software.
GPL only kick in when you MODIFY the softare AND redistribute it. Yes people will complain loudly when you attempt to leech off of their labor without agreeing to their terms.
I just don't get you guys. You want to be able to take other peoples work and do what ever you want with it. What makes you think people owe you their time and labor anyway?
"In most industries, though, they are all in the same boat--everyone uses the same line of business apps, all of which are Windows based."
Maybe that's true today (I don't know, in fact I would seriously doubt it) but it won't be true tommorow. In fact if every player in the industry is using the same software that's all the more reason for one company to break out and seek a competitive advantage by trying different things perhaps even writing their own software.
Your claim that the entire industry is using the same line of apps seems more like rationalization then reality.
I tell you what, why don't you name the industry and some of the software companies that make the software. I might want to enter that market and compete against these guys. Sounds like a ripe opportunity.
Popularity is not a competitive advantage. Right now no matter how popular windows is you are not allowed to choose another technology. Not because your boss says so, not because your shareholders says so, not because your board says so but because your vendor says so.
If you competition can save money by going to linux then they can either drop their prices or increase their profits. This means your company will lose.
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Why? This better not be his attitude. Making things cheaper then the competition is the core of capitalism.
Anybody who says there is anything wrong with making competing products that cost less is out of their mind.
How does he expect open office to be able to open up DOC files without reverse engineering.
Also why is he against reverse engineering when it's perfectly legal and legit?
If it's true that Linus is against reverse engineering then I consider it a shocking attitude by a prominent member of the open source community.
He should explain what he finds so offensive about reverse engineering and why he thinks open source developers should stop the practice.
"Yeah, Safari 2 can do this. It isn't clever. It's obvious. "
I am running a tiger developer preview right now. And no you can't do it with safari. All you can do is bookmark the rss page. Firefox presents the rss feed as a drop down like a menu. This means I don't have to stop viewing the page I am reading just to scan the slashdot headlines.
But hey keep lying, maybe somebody will believe you.
Oh and you forgot to tell me why finder is so great and l33t!.
"Clever? You can't even read RSS entries in Firefox (though I'm sure someone will post a link to some extention) -- all you get are headlines. There's nothing clever about being half-assed."
What is clever is having the RSS feed show up in your bookmarks or toolbar so you can scan the headlines and see if you want to read the article. That's what RSS was invented for. RIght now I have slashdot, BBC news and my del.icio.us bookmarks on my toolbar.
With safari all you get to do is to actually surf the site and see the RSS version of the page once you get there. That's lame, even lamer then lame it's retarded.
"You're like 15 years old, aren't you?"
HA HA HA. That's very funny. I don't like finder so I must be 15 year old. Finder is the worst thing in mac os x. So tell me why you think finder is a brilliant way to get around your program and how nobody has ever come out with anything better then finder. Hell I used lotus magellan and xtree in the dos days and both of them were a thousand times better then finder. Buy hey don't listen to me, I am just a fifteen year old cos like only kids don't like finder. All the cool adults think finder is so l33t.
"If both IE and Firefox were on every computer we'd see people use the one that got the job done."
Too bad most people don't have that chance.
The RSS "feature" of safari is useless. Look at how clever firefox is in using RSS.
They should just adopt firefox and use the safari team to fix finder.
" It's "Hungary". Which is actually doing rather well since they got out of the Soviet sphere of influence."
Apparently those that are launching a relentless stream of spam and hack attacks on my firewall from "Hungary" haven't gotten the message yet. From what I hear spam and hacking are the least of it.
Doesn't bernstein have a scheme where the sender stores the email until it's accepted? Is seems like that would make spamming a little more expensive at least.
In the past the FBI has already caught people by simply buying what they were selling and then finding the person who cached the check.
Of course the FBI can't arrest people in the lawless places of the world like croatia and hungry so those government will need to shed their corruption.
In other words I don't think your scheme will work because so much of the world is out of the reach of law enforcement.
"Have you tried tweaking the speed in the Mouse System Preferences? It's not that slow is it?"
Of course. I have also tried many mice. For some odd reason the mouse on mac os x is neither as smooth or fast as windows or linux.
It's minor thing but it's an annoyance for me.
"Oh god....gut busting. This is too fucking rich. Tell me something - are you really this incredibly stupid? (I suspect so) Are you so blinded by your idiotic zeal that you think this is rational and well-thought out?"
Everything I said is 100% factually true. When you code using the BSD license you are volunteering as a developer for apple, MS or whever uses that code make proprietary products with. Not that there is nothing wrong with that, some people don't mind volunteering to large corporations. Other people do and that's why we choose GPL.
'Perhaps you missed the prior point (of course you did), but the overwhelming majority of GPL software users are not developers, and they will never contribute anything back. "
Sure, OK. But hey guess what, even users can (and do) help by submitting bug reports, deisgning logos, helping out on newsgroups, irc, mailing lists etc.
"Many of them are running businesses, and GPL nutbars like yourself have them laughing to the bank, allowing a critical part of their infrastructure to be free."
More power to them. As long as they don't steal the code they can do whatever they want. GPL ensures fair competition. We like that.
Name the industry and name the top five players. Is that really so much to ask?
"There is no such law, but it is quite likely that Dell has signed a contract with Intel to exclusively purchase and sell Intel processors only in exchange for preferential pricing."
Aah and so my comment about capitalism being derailed in this case.
I think the DOJ should look into this, it sure sounds like manipulation of the market to me.
I just tried that. Oddly enough it would not hide finder.
BTW I was so disapointed when I found out tiger still had the finder and that it was pretty much unchanged. It's an abomination and it needs to go. Let's just hope they made it so the mouse moves faster, I like a really fast mouse.
I looked everywhere at Dell to find a $200 PC. I could not find one. I looked at the refurbished PCs and I could not find one for $200.00. In fact the shipping on a refurbished PC from dell was $99.00 minimum.
Could you please provide a link to where you found a $200.00 dell.
Thanks.
"Look, if people are willing to pay for bad movies (when there are very many good movies produced independently), why should they bother making good ones?"
Raise your hands if you went to see episode I even after you heard what a horrible film ir was. Rais eyour hands if you saw episode II even though you knew it was going to suck. Raise your hands if you plan on waiting in line for episode III.
Now take that raised hand and slap yourself with it.
"1. AMD cannot supply the volume DELL requires. (AMD would need to double their capacity just to supply all of DELL's volume.)"
So what? Why not sell as many as you can?
"2. AMD cannot supply the complete systems Intel does. DELL does not have RnD. Intel supplys complete proc, chipset, motherboard, drives, bios, etc."
Again so what? As long as you can put together a sysytem what's the big deal?
You seem to be saying that Dell buys an entire motherboard/CPU combination from intel. Is that really true?
"3. AMD cannot supply the quality DELL requires. All AMD64 systems have issues when all DIMM slots are used. DELL's would be getting class action law suits if they shipped millions of that crap."
On this I call bullshit.
"4. AMD cannot touch Centrino for performance and power. Mobile is the fastest gowing segment. This year Mobile will ship more than desktops. DELL has picked the best supplier for the fastest growing market segment."
You seem to be under some sort of an impression that Dell is only allowed to sell processors from one manufacturer. I don't know where you think somebody passed that law but it's not true. If it's true that intel makes better processors for laptops then dell can sell intel laptops. They can also sell intel desktops AND sell AMD desktops too.
Why would they not sell something a segment of the market wants especially if it costs less?
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If all that is true then explain this to me.
AMD sells processors for less then intel even though intel processors cost less to make right?
So why isn't dell selling machines with AMD processors in them so they can sell them cheaper? Why do they have to try and play this game to try get intel chips cheaper? Is there a law that says you can only sell computers with one companies chips in them?
It sounds to me like somewhere in this process capitalism derailed.
"And in this case the commercial license came into play because, as is classic in the innovative world of OSS, someone was working their hardest to steal the design of Bitkeeper. It was hardly an arbitrary decision."
Again this points out the one of the biggest problems with using proprietary software. If a company feel that you are trying to compete with them or trying to co-operate with people who compete with them they can pull your license and prevent you from using their software.
In this case some individual was developing software in his own time that might one day compete with bitkeeper. When OSDL refused to fire the guy bitkeeper prevented linus and thousands of other linux developers from using bitkeeper.
Whenever a commercial company wants to they can prevent you from using their software. Even if you paid for it.
"However I, and many others, will negatively mention the GPL because it is a selfish and self-serving license (yes, JUST LIKE COMMERCIAL LICENSES), yet GPL fanatics dream that it is the second coming."
It's not the second coming, it just prevents leeches like you from getting rich off their software. Lucky for you there is lots of BSD code to steal from.
GPL is great because it prevents welfare programs like BSD. BSD is just a giant welfare program for commercial software writers. It's just people volunteering their services so that companies can make money off them.
That's great for some people but not for me and not for tens of thousands of other people. We prefer that our code remain our code. It's a self healing commons, one that can never be taken away.
I know for a fact that there are accounting and medical software packages running on linux. SO you must be talking about some other industry where all the applications are windows applications.
Again I have a simple request. Name the industy, name the top five software manufacturers so that I can investigate the field and see of there is an opportunity for me to write an application to compete with them.
This is about USING bitkeeper not modifying it.
Nobody will complain about anything if you are USING gpled software.
GPL only kick in when you MODIFY the softare AND redistribute it. Yes people will complain loudly when you attempt to leech off of their labor without agreeing to their terms.
I just don't get you guys. You want to be able to take other peoples work and do what ever you want with it. What makes you think people owe you their time and labor anyway?
"In most industries, though, they are all in the same boat--everyone uses the same line of business apps, all of which are Windows based."
Maybe that's true today (I don't know, in fact I would seriously doubt it) but it won't be true tommorow. In fact if every player in the industry is using the same software that's all the more reason for one company to break out and seek a competitive advantage by trying different things perhaps even writing their own software.
Your claim that the entire industry is using the same line of apps seems more like rationalization then reality.
I tell you what, why don't you name the industry and some of the software companies that make the software. I might want to enter that market and compete against these guys. Sounds like a ripe opportunity.
If this whole absurd scenario is not an object lesson on why not to choose proprietary software nothing is.
Imagine that. A company pulling their license and then refusing to even sell licenses to you or your employees.
Popularity is not a competitive advantage. Right now no matter how popular windows is you are not allowed to choose another technology. Not because your boss says so, not because your shareholders says so, not because your board says so but because your vendor says so.
If you competition can save money by going to linux then they can either drop their prices or increase their profits. This means your company will lose.
Duh, you fire one of your windows admins and you hire a linux admin. What could be simpler then that.