Somehow I don't think any theater owners are shaking in their boots. The republitards have been supposedly boycotting everything from french fries to heinz ketchup and god knows what else for the last few years. I didn't see any repurcussions.
Go ahead republicans. Keep your kids out of the movie theaters. It's good for them. Movied only make you want to covet and consume and rot your brain (I mean that seriously). Just make sure they get their daily dose of god and limbaugh though lest they learn to think for themselves or turn into liberals.
What you lament didn't happen overnight, neither did it happen by accident. The republican party had been working very hard for over a decade to divide the country and have succeeded very well. I believe it was newt gringritch that said that bipartisanship was evil.
What do you think Limbaugh, oreilly, coulter, hitchens et al have been doing for the last decade?
I for one am glad to see the democrat hit back. I was getting tired of being called a traitor and a terrorist just because I voted for a democrat.
Hichens is being a bit disengenous and smarmy (which he does often). What moore has done is comperable to what rush limbaugh and bill o'reilly do every day. Hitchens is just pissed the democrats are doing to the republicans what republicans have been doing to democrats for a decade.
Apparently he can dish it out but he can't take it.
"Even if 100% of programming were outsourced, application design and specification will always be done on-site."
Nah. It could be done by consultant who come in, examine the situation, go away to write a spec, and hand the spec over to mgmt who ships it to vietnam.
"The application in question is *not* free software. It is closed source, and it requires payment for it. One way or the other, you have to spend money on each, so that arguement is moot."
I don't think so. I think it's important to support ethical busineness people. When you send money to MS you are helping them continue their sleazy busineness practices. You are helping them fund SCO and ADTI. You are helping them lobby governments to make open source illegal. You are helping them to patent double clicks.
Every cent you give to MS makes the world a worse place to live.
Please don't.
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I think MS and Sun have a much bigger problem with this.
Given the the codebase of all their products I think it's pretty much inevitable that there is some GPLed code somewhere in there. Lucky for them not too many people see the code and those that do probably don't know the linux codebase.
Maybe one day somebody will actually find which part of windows contains GPLed code and all hell will break loose. I would not want to be a MS shareholder on that day.
I once had an argument about GOTOs with a VB programmer back when. He kept saying he never used them. I bet him money that he used them all the time. I grepped his code and of course there were tons of on error goto statements. He kept arguing that that he GOTOs he used were not "real" gotos but he paid up anyway.
" I'm just sick of all the flaming of MS for EVERYTHING."
Why? How come you care so much about MS? Do you also get upset when people flame other corporations? When somebody says they hate monsanto do you feel compelled to tell them that you are sick of everybody bashing them?
Why a human being would care that much about a corporation that does not even know he/she exists is just mind boggling to me.
I care about MS as much as MS cares about me. In other words not one little bit.
Flame on everybody. Bash MS all you want. I don't give a flying fuck about MS.
If I remember correctly quickbooks for DOS was the first program to feature something like clippy. If you hesitated too long on a field a little yellow "box" would pop up and give you hints.
How that turned into a talking paper clip only the mind of the most deranged MS programmer knows.
"He cannot scratch his itch because he cannot reach it."
You don't have to be a developer. As I said you can start a campaign to ask for donations, you can write letters to companies asking for sponsorship, you can donate some of your own money, you can try to get like minded individuals together to solve the problem.
OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU CONTRIBUTE.
" Rather, you should acknowledge that the area is weak and that more focus needs to be given there in the future."
More focus needs to be given by who? Are you saying I should grab random programmers off the street and yell at them until they write a GIS program for me?
"This is defeatest bullshit. Ignoring your problems doesn't make them go away. "
You miss an important point. This is not "our" problem, it's YOUR problem. I don't need a GIS program and neither to millions of other other people. YOU need one and too bad for you they cost tens of thousands of dollars. You have no right to complain that somebody else hasn't taken the time and effort required to give you a free equavalent.
What you need to understand is the open source is nothing but scratching an itch. This is your itch and you need to scratch it.
OPEN SOURCE ONLY WORKS IF PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE. This very simple and obvious point seems to be lost on most people. You are not supposed to sit around till somebody else does the work and give you something for nothing. You need to contribute.
You need to start an organization and start raising money to fund an open source development effort or to accelerate and existing one. You need to get involved and contribute. BTW bitching on slashdot does not count as contributing.
"This is like blaming McDonalds for your big, fat ass, or blaming Microsoft because you got a virus when you didn't run the patch they released to prevent it."
Or blaming the open source community because they didn't give you something for free.
MS gives greater discount to educational institutions then corporations.
MS as a rule does not have anything called a "site license". They have a select program which allows corporations to buy "points" and then spend them on any software they want. For example office might cost 4 points while SQL server may cost 10 points per processor (the numbers are made up in this example).
At the end of the year the corporation tallies up all their software and settle up with MS if they are over their points.
BTW this means that most corporations pay twice for windows. They pay the select fee and they pay for windows when they buy their PCs. Some retailers like dell will set up special plans for huge customers but for the smaller companies the select program is a rip off.
Within two years 10% of all corporate desktops worldwide will be linux. In the US the penetration will be around 3%. Within five years the figure will be over 50% world wide.
Within five years the home computer will go away to be replaced by an array of smaller special purpose devices.
I know you don't agree, just copy and paste this someplace and check back with me to see if my predictions come true.
"as the answer will undoubtably be "Hackers hate Windows, hackers attack Windows" which will only be to their advantage because it implies that they are top dog."
What an awsome selling point.
"If you deploy windows hackers will target you because they hate MS. They will also hate you because you are deploying windows. You will be attacked constantly and mercilessly and pay a dear price for the sleazy and unethical MS business practices."
First of all it's not like the entire govt has one giant deal with MS. Each unit probably has their own contract. Secondly I don't know of any entity no matter how large paying $10.00. Thirdly MS has no real incentive to offer the US govt any kind of a discount because the US govt has already standardized on MS software and has no bargaining leverage.
Most likely they have a pretty high level select license which means they are paying somewhere around $40.00. They are also probably paying at least one full time equivalent employee to keeping in compliance. Once you add the overhead of accounting for all the "license points" it's probably back up to around $100.00.
"I don't know about him/her, but I dislike it because it makes us look like shouty skiddies.."
You need not worry about that. Top level MS executives have called us terrorists, cancer, anti american, communists etc. Didn't seem to change peoples opinion of them much. They have lately taken to calling us thieves.
I think writing M$ pales in comparison to paying thinktanks to write deragetory articles or funding SCO to file lawsuits don't you?
Trust me "we" will never be able to match the vitriol MS (and their shills) spew every day.
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Who knew that Osama was responsible for these attacks that soon after they happened? How come they didn't tell the country till much later.
Somehow I don't think any theater owners are shaking in their boots. The republitards have been supposedly boycotting everything from french fries to heinz ketchup and god knows what else for the last few years. I didn't see any repurcussions.
Go ahead republicans. Keep your kids out of the movie theaters. It's good for them. Movied only make you want to covet and consume and rot your brain (I mean that seriously). Just make sure they get their daily dose of god and limbaugh though lest they learn to think for themselves or turn into liberals.
What you lament didn't happen overnight, neither did it happen by accident. The republican party had been working very hard for over a decade to divide the country and have succeeded very well. I believe it was newt gringritch that said that bipartisanship was evil.
What do you think Limbaugh, oreilly, coulter, hitchens et al have been doing for the last decade?
I for one am glad to see the democrat hit back. I was getting tired of being called a traitor and a terrorist just because I voted for a democrat.
Boo Hoo.
Imagine that. Micheal Moore snubbing a republican network that has been slandering him every chance they get.
Why should MIcheal Moore do anything that would earn Bill or Fox news even one cent.
I would like to see Moore on the show if Bill will donate every single cent of revenue earned on the show to Kerry.
I am not holding my breath for that one though. Bill would rather commit hari kari then give one cent to a democrat.
Hichens is being a bit disengenous and smarmy (which he does often). What moore has done is comperable to what rush limbaugh and bill o'reilly do every day. Hitchens is just pissed the democrats are doing to the republicans what republicans have been doing to democrats for a decade.
Apparently he can dish it out but he can't take it.
"Even if 100% of programming were outsourced, application design and specification will always be done on-site."
Nah. It could be done by consultant who come in, examine the situation, go away to write a spec, and hand the spec over to mgmt who ships it to vietnam.
See ya.
"The application in question is *not* free software. It is closed source, and it requires payment for it. One way or the other, you have to spend money on each, so that arguement is moot."
I don't think so. I think it's important to support ethical busineness people. When you send money to MS you are helping them continue their sleazy busineness practices. You are helping them fund SCO and ADTI. You are helping them lobby governments to make open source illegal. You are helping them to patent double clicks.
Every cent you give to MS makes the world a worse place to live.
Please don't.
I think MS and Sun have a much bigger problem with this.
Given the the codebase of all their products I think it's pretty much inevitable that there is some GPLed code somewhere in there. Lucky for them not too many people see the code and those that do probably don't know the linux codebase.
Maybe one day somebody will actually find which part of windows contains GPLed code and all hell will break loose. I would not want to be a MS shareholder on that day.
Everything you said is true but.
No matter why, no matter what the circumstances a software that contains bugs is not "zero defect".
I once had an argument about GOTOs with a VB programmer back when. He kept saying he never used them. I bet him money that he used them all the time. I grepped his code and of course there were tons of on error goto statements. He kept arguing that that he GOTOs he used were not "real" gotos but he paid up anyway.
Geez the so called enhydra clone hasn't been updated since 2001 and does not even have a home page.
I hope they don't raise a stink.
" I'm just sick of all the flaming of MS for EVERYTHING."
Why? How come you care so much about MS? Do you also get upset when people flame other corporations? When somebody says they hate monsanto do you feel compelled to tell them that you are sick of everybody bashing them?
Why a human being would care that much about a corporation that does not even know he/she exists is just mind boggling to me.
I care about MS as much as MS cares about me. In other words not one little bit.
Flame on everybody. Bash MS all you want. I don't give a flying fuck about MS.
If I remember correctly quickbooks for DOS was the first program to feature something like clippy. If you hesitated too long on a field a little yellow "box" would pop up and give you hints.
How that turned into a talking paper clip only the mind of the most deranged MS programmer knows.
"He cannot scratch his itch because he cannot reach it."
You don't have to be a developer. As I said you can start a campaign to ask for donations, you can write letters to companies asking for sponsorship, you can donate some of your own money, you can try to get like minded individuals together to solve the problem.
OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU CONTRIBUTE.
" Rather, you should acknowledge that the area is weak and that more focus needs to be given there in the future."
More focus needs to be given by who? Are you saying I should grab random programmers off the street and yell at them until they write a GIS program for me?
"This is defeatest bullshit. Ignoring your problems doesn't make them go away. "
You miss an important point. This is not "our" problem, it's YOUR problem. I don't need a GIS program and neither to millions of other other people. YOU need one and too bad for you they cost tens of thousands of dollars. You have no right to complain that somebody else hasn't taken the time and effort required to give you a free equavalent.
What you need to understand is the open source is nothing but scratching an itch. This is your itch and you need to scratch it.
OPEN SOURCE ONLY WORKS IF PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE. This very simple and obvious point seems to be lost on most people. You are not supposed to sit around till somebody else does the work and give you something for nothing. You need to contribute.
You need to start an organization and start raising money to fund an open source development effort or to accelerate and existing one. You need to get involved and contribute. BTW bitching on slashdot does not count as contributing.
"This is like blaming McDonalds for your big, fat ass, or blaming Microsoft because you got a virus when you didn't run the patch they released to prevent it."
Or blaming the open source community because they didn't give you something for free.
MS gives greater discount to educational institutions then corporations.
MS as a rule does not have anything called a "site license". They have a select program which allows corporations to buy "points" and then spend them on any software they want. For example office might cost 4 points while SQL server may cost 10 points per processor (the numbers are made up in this example).
At the end of the year the corporation tallies up all their software and settle up with MS if they are over their points.
BTW this means that most corporations pay twice for windows. They pay the select fee and they pay for windows when they buy their PCs. Some retailers like dell will set up special plans for huge customers but for the smaller companies the select program is a rip off.
Mark my words shill boy.
Within two years 10% of all corporate desktops worldwide will be linux. In the US the penetration will be around 3%. Within five years the figure will be over 50% world wide.
Within five years the home computer will go away to be replaced by an array of smaller special purpose devices.
I know you don't agree, just copy and paste this someplace and check back with me to see if my predictions come true.
Really? The phrase "open sores" doesn't strike you are being a childish one to make?
How about dancing like a monkey on the stage?
"as the answer will undoubtably be "Hackers hate Windows, hackers attack Windows" which will only be to their advantage because it implies that they are top dog."
What an awsome selling point.
"If you deploy windows hackers will target you because they hate MS. They will also hate you because you are deploying windows. You will be attacked constantly and mercilessly and pay a dear price for the sleazy and unethical MS business practices."
Priceless!.
The desktop is dead. It's useless to fight over the desktop anymore.
The future is in specialized devices like Xbox, phones etc.
George Bush said that God selected him to be the president of the United States.
He claims that he regularly talks to God and that God talks back to him.
First of all it's not like the entire govt has one giant deal with MS. Each unit probably has their own contract. Secondly I don't know of any entity no matter how large paying $10.00. Thirdly MS has no real incentive to offer the US govt any kind of a discount because the US govt has already standardized on MS software and has no bargaining leverage.
Most likely they have a pretty high level select license which means they are paying somewhere around $40.00. They are also probably paying at least one full time equivalent employee to keeping in compliance. Once you add the overhead of accounting for all the "license points" it's probably back up to around $100.00.
Oracle collaboration suite costs less then exchange/outlook. Just thought you'd like to know.
"I don't know about him/her, but I dislike it because it makes us look like shouty skiddies.."
You need not worry about that. Top level MS executives have called us terrorists, cancer, anti american, communists etc. Didn't seem to change peoples opinion of them much. They have lately taken to calling us thieves.
I think writing M$ pales in comparison to paying thinktanks to write deragetory articles or funding SCO to file lawsuits don't you?
Trust me "we" will never be able to match the vitriol MS (and their shills) spew every day.