"Ya he's lying through his teeth and you caught him! I'm sure this has never happened before! Good work!!"
I have heard that some white people kill and eat other people. I think white people should be monitored very closely to make sure that they don't kill and eat people.
See how that works?
"Or is that no longer possible being an OSS zealot?"
It's important to realize that every person who uses a mac or linux is a zealot. The reason is simple. There can be no rational reason not to use windows. Anybody who does not like windows therefore must be some sort of an irrational zealot.
The same goes for people who disagree with me on any topic. Since I am a purely rational creature free from all bias and am all knowing the people who disagree with me are by definition zealots.
Oh and to answer your question. Yes once a week till I said no more. Once I learned the powerful phrase "I won't help you unless you get a mac or let me install linux" my life because much easier. No more dealing with people like you!!!! Happy, happy, joy, joy.
It's easier for an average user to cut and paste a command from an email into a command window then to try and talk him through a dozen dialog boxes.
Believe it or not most people are not afraid of text. They type stuff all the time. They type email all the time, they type txt messages all the time, they spend their entire day typing something or another.
The only people who seem to be deathly afraid of typing are windows geeks who consider themselves l33t windows users. They have somehow convinced themselves that typing words is primitive and that everything should be clickity and dialog box driven. Trust me your average mom knows how to type, cut, and paste. Just email them the line and they cut/paste and they are done. You could even do it via IM. As a bonus they can cut/paste the result so you know what's going on.
"I've heard horror stories of young, presumptuous techs who promise to "fix" a computer, and then proceed to nuke somebody's Windows 95B OEM / Office 97 installation that they've been using for years, and install Ubuntu with OpenOffice. If they worked for my company, I would promptly fire them."
Ah the old "I have heard stories" bit.
I personally refuse to help people who are using windows. I tell them to get a mac or let me install linux and I would be happy to help them but not windows. Once you help somebody fix windows you become their bitch for life and they call you at least once a week because they broke something or another.
Yes. A fish swimming in the ocean has no value, a fish cut into a tiny piece and placed on a bed of rice is worth five bucks. This is why the ocean is being depleted of fish.
Not if the opinion is silly. If I attempted to prove that the moon was made out of green cheese using "logic" like yours would you listen to me? No.
It's not worth spending time to listen to "logic" about stupid conclusions people have come to. I don't listen to anybodies "logic" when they try to convince me their god exists, that blacks are genetically more stupid, that the moon is made out of green cheese or that the BSD coders are more mature.
"The point being made is that the new provisions of the GPLv3 are concerned with the politics of the DMCA and DRM rather than the freedom to read the source of, modify, learn from and distribute software. "
Alas people like you don't seem to realize that the two are bound to each other. Clearly more education needs to be done.
"Together, these could be interpretted as the FSF trying to impose their will on the FOSS community."
Could be by people who already hate the FSF, GPL and Stallman.
"Arguably, it's sloppy use of the word "force" from the GP, but I didn't think the meaning was in any way unclear."
Arguably? Did the article say how they would "force" the use? Did it mention waterboarding? long periods of standing? Starvation and force feeding? Subjecting to extreme tempratures, terrorising by dogs?
I am so glad you jumped on that word though. It shows where you lie ideologically. You took it leterally as if the FSF was going to break arms and FORCE people to release code under their term.
What they will do is ask. That's all they can do.
"mmm... but that's not the be all and end all of Freedom, is it?"
No, it's much more complicated. The GPL is the instrument of a long lasting, self healing commons of free code. It's the only license that guarantees that the commons will be replenished to provide more code for the future generations.
"in a way that could not have been forseen by those developers who gave their copyrights in trust to the FSF,"
I am sure the people who signed over their copyrights did it knowingly. Once you sign over your copyright then I don't see how you can complain about it afterwards. Come to think of it the people who signed over the copyrights are not the ones who are complaining. It's the astro turfers that are complaining.
"With the BSD, I have to be able to prove my copyright is there and thats about it. Even if someone close sources my package, I can point it out to others and show them that the closed source app *IS* essentially my application"
How? They could wipe your attrib, compile it and never even acknowledge your contribution. If you took it to court they could simply say that the fact you released it under an unrestricted license like BSD was enough evidence that you did not care what anybody did with it.
"This isn't to say I couldn't have done this with GPL, I just don't believe in forcing others to keep something open source when the base already is"
No force is involved. Nobody has to accept the GPL. If you don't like it you can simply fall back on copyright and use the software under the terms limited by copyright.
"Then again, some people haven't really progressed past the whole 2nd grade idea of what is fair or not."
Oh I get it. The people who release under the GPL are in second grade. You are so much smarter then they are. They are just children and you are a mature intelligent adult. Only stupid naive children release code under the GPL. Adults use the BSD like you!.
You have convinced me with your cunning argument. Here I thought the GPL was about creating a self healing commons and a mechanism for increasing code that is available to everybody but you have proved once and for all that it's a license created by second graders who don't know any better.
Looking at the market share of BSD and the market share of LInux I wonder why people hype the BSD license so much. Then I remember that/. is full of astro turfers who love the BSD because it means people volunteering work for their favorite corporation.
What do you mean "force". Last I checked it was completely voluntary to license the code under any license you want and even to modify code released under the GPL.
You know what's not freedom? When you don't even have the right to look at the code, when you have severe restrictions on how a software can be used (not modified, used). That's severe.
What you want me to do your research for you? There are countries in this world that are not democracies. Why don't you see if one suits you? Maybe one of them will let people like you vote while denying people who are not like you the right to vote.
What the fuck is your point? No matter what day you pick there will be somebody working. What happens to those supermarket workers when the elections are on a tuesday in november?
They can vote just like they do now. Before work, after work, at lunch or whatever. IF their bosses were decent human beings istead of corporate drones maybe they would even let them have a little time off on the fourth of july to let them vote.
What a stupid comment to make. You really think people who work don't vote if the voting is on a working day?
"Most programming languages in use today, make it hard to do concurrency (or at best, don't make it easy), but Erlang was designed as a concurrent language from the get-go."
While concurrency is important in some applications by far the vast majority of all applications involve CRUD operations against a database. Erlang (and lots of the other "cool" languages) suck at that. I mean suck really bad not just suck a little.
This is why languages like VB and PHP are so popular and Lisp, ML, Haskell, and erlang are super small nice products.
If you are designing a language you want lots of people to use then start with a good database support library and a good GUI toolkit which makes it easy to work with databases (see Ruby and ROR).
Why shouldn't we be able to call idiots "idiot". Why shouldn't we tell people that they are evil and morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt.
I am so sick of all this politically correct bullshit. If a guy comes up to me and tells me that I support terrorists because I am against torture then I fully reserve the right to call him an idiot, poo poo face, or whatever else comes into my head.
Fuck him and the evil bastards like him. Somebody has to tell them they are wrong.
"Panislamic radicalism and continuing US/Western access to critical resources (in light of demands on the same from China and India, and even considering potential future alternative replacements) are the two greatest challenges of the next fifty years. "
Didn't your mother tell you it was wrong to beat people up and take their stuff? Does "but I really want it" count as a legit reason to invade countries that have oil? Last I checked it was still pretty wrong to kill people and steal their shit has that rule changed by now?
Besides was Iraq actually denying you oil? Were they refusing to sell you this "critical resource"? If anything it was the US which was preventing this "critical resource" from being sold by imposing sanctions on Iraq. How does invading iraq increase the oil supply for the next fifty years anyway?
I have never heard of such irrational reasoning in all my life.
"Does not that not mean other things aren't important? Of course not. But I think those are two items of grave concern to the United States and Europe in particular."
Apparently things like right, wrong, rationality, morals, civilized behavior, law and order were not as important.
"The purpose of government is to represent all of the people: black, red, yellow and white; male and female; smart and stupid; rich and poor; everyone."
That's the problem. He doesn't want to live in a country where everybody gets a vote. He wants to live in a country where only people like him get a vote.
Change the election date to the fourth of july. What better way to celebrate your independence then to vote. It's a holiday, people are running around getting BBQ supplies and beer anyway. Just pull into the polling place on your way to the supermarket.
Easy, simple, effective. There is no way it will get done.
I think learning can go on in the university but it's rare. Of all my teachers, of all my classes less then 2% were about learning something. The rest were mere memorization. I remember one pysics teacher who held open book tests, you could use anything you wanted, books, calculators, computers whatever. He could do that becuase he would ask questions that required thinking really hard and not memorization of formulas. I wish there were more teachers like him but alas that's not true.
These days an undergraduate is lucky if he takes five classes from a real professor in four years. People cheat because they can. They can cheat because the teachers are lazy and ask stupid questions you can look up in a second.
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"Ya he's lying through his teeth and you caught him! I'm sure this has never happened before! Good work!!"
I have heard that some white people kill and eat other people. I think white people should be monitored very closely to make sure that they don't kill and eat people.
See how that works?
"Or is that no longer possible being an OSS zealot?"
It's important to realize that every person who uses a mac or linux is a zealot. The reason is simple. There can be no rational reason not to use windows. Anybody who does not like windows therefore must be some sort of an irrational zealot.
The same goes for people who disagree with me on any topic. Since I am a purely rational creature free from all bias and am all knowing the people who disagree with me are by definition zealots.
Oh and to answer your question. Yes once a week till I said no more. Once I learned the powerful phrase "I won't help you unless you get a mac or let me install linux" my life because much easier. No more dealing with people like you!!!! Happy, happy, joy, joy.
"Linus doesn't seem to give two shits about the free software movement; "
Which is odd given how he got fucked over by bitkeeper. I find it very weird that he didn't learn a lesson from that.
It's easier for an average user to cut and paste a command from an email into a command window then to try and talk him through a dozen dialog boxes.
Believe it or not most people are not afraid of text. They type stuff all the time. They type email all the time, they type txt messages all the time, they spend their entire day typing something or another.
The only people who seem to be deathly afraid of typing are windows geeks who consider themselves l33t windows users. They have somehow convinced themselves that typing words is primitive and that everything should be clickity and dialog box driven. Trust me your average mom knows how to type, cut, and paste. Just email them the line and they cut/paste and they are done. You could even do it via IM. As a bonus they can cut/paste the result so you know what's going on.
"I've heard horror stories of young, presumptuous techs who promise to "fix" a computer, and then proceed to nuke somebody's Windows 95B OEM / Office 97 installation that they've been using for years, and install Ubuntu with OpenOffice. If they worked for my company, I would promptly fire them."
Ah the old "I have heard stories" bit.
I personally refuse to help people who are using windows. I tell them to get a mac or let me install linux and I would be happy to help them but not windows. Once you help somebody fix windows you become their bitch for life and they call you at least once a week because they broke something or another.
Yes. A fish swimming in the ocean has no value, a fish cut into a tiny piece and placed on a bed of rice is worth five bucks. This is why the ocean is being depleted of fish.
We measure value of things all wrong.
Not if the opinion is silly. If I attempted to prove that the moon was made out of green cheese using "logic" like yours would you listen to me? No.
It's not worth spending time to listen to "logic" about stupid conclusions people have come to. I don't listen to anybodies "logic" when they try to convince me their god exists, that blacks are genetically more stupid, that the moon is made out of green cheese or that the BSD coders are more mature.
Sorry. Only have so many hours in a day.
"The point being made is that the new provisions of the GPLv3 are concerned with the politics of the DMCA and DRM rather than the freedom to read the source of, modify, learn from and distribute software. "
Alas people like you don't seem to realize that the two are bound to each other. Clearly more education needs to be done.
"And yes, I feel the vast majority of those who utilize BSD are more mature."
I stopped reading right there. If you believe that then you lack the raquisite rationality for me to have a conversation with you.
Bye.
"Together, these could be interpretted as the FSF trying to impose their will on the FOSS community."
Could be by people who already hate the FSF, GPL and Stallman.
"Arguably, it's sloppy use of the word "force" from the GP, but I didn't think the meaning was in any way unclear."
Arguably? Did the article say how they would "force" the use? Did it mention waterboarding? long periods of standing? Starvation and force feeding? Subjecting to extreme tempratures, terrorising by dogs?
I am so glad you jumped on that word though. It shows where you lie ideologically. You took it leterally as if the FSF was going to break arms and FORCE people to release code under their term.
What they will do is ask. That's all they can do.
"mmm... but that's not the be all and end all of Freedom, is it?"
No, it's much more complicated. The GPL is the instrument of a long lasting, self healing commons of free code. It's the only license that guarantees that the commons will be replenished to provide more code for the future generations.
"in a way that could not have been forseen by those developers who gave their copyrights in trust to the FSF,"
I am sure the people who signed over their copyrights did it knowingly. Once you sign over your copyright then I don't see how you can complain about it afterwards. Come to think of it the people who signed over the copyrights are not the ones who are complaining. It's the astro turfers that are complaining.
"With the BSD, I have to be able to prove my copyright is there and thats about it. Even if someone close sources my package, I can point it out to others and show them that the closed source app *IS* essentially my application"
How? They could wipe your attrib, compile it and never even acknowledge your contribution. If you took it to court they could simply say that the fact you released it under an unrestricted license like BSD was enough evidence that you did not care what anybody did with it.
"This isn't to say I couldn't have done this with GPL, I just don't believe in forcing others to keep something open source when the base already is"
No force is involved. Nobody has to accept the GPL. If you don't like it you can simply fall back on copyright and use the software under the terms limited by copyright.
"Then again, some people haven't really progressed past the whole 2nd grade idea of what is fair or not."
Oh I get it. The people who release under the GPL are in second grade. You are so much smarter then they are. They are just children and you are a mature intelligent adult. Only stupid naive children release code under the GPL. Adults use the BSD like you!.
You have convinced me with your cunning argument. Here I thought the GPL was about creating a self healing commons and a mechanism for increasing code that is available to everybody but you have proved once and for all that it's a license created by second graders who don't know any better.
Looking at the market share of BSD and the market share of LInux I wonder why people hype the BSD license so much. Then I remember that /. is full of astro turfers who love the BSD because it means people volunteering work for their favorite corporation.
That's great. The BSD code can be released under the GPL no problems.
"Forcing a specific morality is not freedom"
What do you mean "force". Last I checked it was completely voluntary to license the code under any license you want and even to modify code released under the GPL.
You know what's not freedom? When you don't even have the right to look at the code, when you have severe restrictions on how a software can be used (not modified, used). That's severe.
What you want me to do your research for you? There are countries in this world that are not democracies. Why don't you see if one suits you? Maybe one of them will let people like you vote while denying people who are not like you the right to vote.
It's worth a shot anyway.
No not wallmart. They would not let democrats in on voting day.
What the fuck is your point? No matter what day you pick there will be somebody working. What happens to those supermarket workers when the elections are on a tuesday in november?
They can vote just like they do now. Before work, after work, at lunch or whatever. IF their bosses were decent human beings istead of corporate drones maybe they would even let them have a little time off on the fourth of july to let them vote.
What a stupid comment to make. You really think people who work don't vote if the voting is on a working day?
I think there are some countries which don't allow everybody to vote. They may have restrictions on literacy, money, land ownership, race etc.
Perhaps you could check one of them out and tell us how it's working for them.
"Most programming languages in use today, make it hard to do concurrency (or at best, don't make it easy), but Erlang was designed as a concurrent language from the get-go."
While concurrency is important in some applications by far the vast majority of all applications involve CRUD operations against a database. Erlang (and lots of the other "cool" languages) suck at that. I mean suck really bad not just suck a little.
This is why languages like VB and PHP are so popular and Lisp, ML, Haskell, and erlang are super small nice products.
If you are designing a language you want lots of people to use then start with a good database support library and a good GUI toolkit which makes it easy to work with databases (see Ruby and ROR).
I think people were ashamed to vote for bush. Would you be proud of it?
Why shouldn't we be able to call idiots "idiot". Why shouldn't we tell people that they are evil and morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt.
I am so sick of all this politically correct bullshit. If a guy comes up to me and tells me that I support terrorists because I am against torture then I fully reserve the right to call him an idiot, poo poo face, or whatever else comes into my head.
Fuck him and the evil bastards like him. Somebody has to tell them they are wrong.
If she does not remember an event like that then she does not deserve to be the secrary of state for the most powerful nation on the planet.
We need the best people we can find for the top levels of our govt, not a bunch of idiots.
"Panislamic radicalism and continuing US/Western access to critical resources (in light of demands on the same from China and India, and even considering potential future alternative replacements) are the two greatest challenges of the next fifty years. "
Didn't your mother tell you it was wrong to beat people up and take their stuff? Does "but I really want it" count as a legit reason to invade countries that have oil? Last I checked it was still pretty wrong to kill people and steal their shit has that rule changed by now?
Besides was Iraq actually denying you oil? Were they refusing to sell you this "critical resource"? If anything it was the US which was preventing this "critical resource" from being sold by imposing sanctions on Iraq. How does invading iraq increase the oil supply for the next fifty years anyway?
I have never heard of such irrational reasoning in all my life.
"Does not that not mean other things aren't important? Of course not. But I think those are two items of grave concern to the United States and Europe in particular."
Apparently things like right, wrong, rationality, morals, civilized behavior, law and order were not as important.
"The purpose of government is to represent all of the people: black, red, yellow and white; male and female; smart and stupid; rich and poor; everyone."
That's the problem. He doesn't want to live in a country where everybody gets a vote. He wants to live in a country where only people like him get a vote.
"Change Election Day from Tuesday to Saturday. "
I'll go you one better.
Change the election date to the fourth of july. What better way to celebrate your independence then to vote. It's a holiday, people are running around getting BBQ supplies and beer anyway. Just pull into the polling place on your way to the supermarket.
Easy, simple, effective. There is no way it will get done.
I think learning can go on in the university but it's rare. Of all my teachers, of all my classes less then 2% were about learning something. The rest were mere memorization. I remember one pysics teacher who held open book tests, you could use anything you wanted, books, calculators, computers whatever. He could do that becuase he would ask questions that required thinking really hard and not memorization of formulas. I wish there were more teachers like him but alas that's not true.
These days an undergraduate is lucky if he takes five classes from a real professor in four years. People cheat because they can. They can cheat because the teachers are lazy and ask stupid questions you can look up in a second.