"t's a gripe about the liveCD being used as an installer CD, but not behaving like an installerCD."
That's like complaining that the cake you got wasn't chocolaty enough. Nobody else even has a livecd.
"and the linux package manager could be done better. seriously. it could be GREATLY simplified. installing apps is a pain in linux, and although it does come with just about everything you need in the base install, when it comes time to install something, it can be a hassle trying to show someone how to do it."
How? It's already easier to install things in Linux then windows or Mac. All the apps are in one centrally searchable database, there are detailed descriptions of everything, all the dependencies are solved for you. You just fire up synaptic, or yast or whatever, read through the descriptions, decide what you want and click on it. How hard is that?
For a contrast look at what you need to in windows...
1) Drive down to the best buy. 2) Walk into the store. 3) Pick up Microsoft office. 4) PAY FOR IT WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY. 5) Drive home 6) Put the CD into the machine. 7) Click "OK" on a half a dozen dialog boxes all asking you weird questions and makeing you agree to things you have never thought of. 8) Enter in a 30+ digit serial number/code without making mistakes 9) Reboot and cross your fingers that nothing breaks.
How in gods name is that more convenient then linux? With linux you don't have to leave your house!
Oh I suppose you could download some software for windows but you still have to unzip crap, run the installer, agree to a dozen things and more often then not reboot.
Like I said, you are complaining about your cake not being tasty enough when the other guy gives you five day old stale bread.
"and thanks for calling me stupid, man. try to act more mature next time.;)"
Fuck that politically correct crap. I call em as I see em. You don't have to agree. I think it's stupid to complain about linux package management, live CDs or any other feature of Linux which no other OS has.
Postgres is great but it's replication and clustering are so far behind mysql it's not even funny. The reason people use mysql are because mysql jumped on replication early on and gave people a usable (if not transactionally correct) replication that anybody could set up in five minutes.
As for MS-SQL I try to avoid it like the plague. I can't stand the damned thing. I want to personaly choke to death every programmer who ever wrote an error message for ms-sql. Besides it only runs on windows. It's only database that I know of that only runs in windows.
We recently had a "help me" day at our local linux users group. Whole bunch of people showed up wanting help with various things. Not one person said "I am having a problem checking my email" or "I can't figure out how to write a document". All the problems had to do with devices (no drivers, windows only devices, weird laptop hardware etc).
The desktop is good. It is usable for anybody even your grandma. Now it's up to the hardware manufactuers to allow the developers access to their specs so they can write the drivers.
The rest of your complaints are just stupid. You are complaining about linux package management when neither windows nor mac even have one? Boot times too slow? WTF? How often do you reboot anyway? You are complaining about the LiveCD when no other OS has a liveCD? Why don't you do a compare of the LiveCD of vista and Knoppix or Suse and then tell us how much better the vista livecd is. OK?
"To say that Java isn't huge in the world is stupid. "
You know there is something called "context" you should look it up before you go on a rant about how huge java is. The "context" in this case was about applets and embedding high level languages in the browser. On that front java is a miserable failure. It should have won, there should be no such thing as AJAX now, there should have been a JVM on every Dell, Compaq, and IBM shipped in the last decade, there should have been a self updating JVM but there isn't because Sun didn't give a shit about the desktop. They still don't.
Zope is not a rich client platform. Aside from that zope is too complex and poorly documented and a moving target.
I used (not programmed) plone for a couple of years but I recently ditched. The straw that broke the camel's back was when my upgrade from plone 2.2 to plone 2.5 went horribly awry.
Zope is a supreme waste of brilliance and innovation. How can something to innovative be so useless? Before you bring out the flamethrower ask yoursef this. How come not one plone blog tool is 1/10th as good as wordpress (written in PHP of all things), name one good Plone product to check your email?.
The proper way to judge tools is by looking that what they built. Using that criterea Zope/Plone fails.
Unless it runs on the mac it's dead. The world has changed and MS no longer has over 90% of the market. It's one thing to tell 5% of your customers to fuck off, it's another to tell 15 to 20% of them to fuck off.
Ironpython just got to 1.0. You still can't write DLLs in python and call them from C# or VB.NET. That road only goes one way. You can call DLLs you wrote in C# from python but not vice versa.
I am not saying it sucks but it does seem half assed to me.
The US controls the internet and the press in much more sophisticated ways. We don't just kill journalists or blow up television stations like other countries do we buy them, we pay journalists to report what we want, we produce shows that are presented as news, we threaten reporters with losing access, we plant fake reporters in press rooms etc.
In other words we try our best to preserve the illusion of the free press while we control it.
When I read "console" I thought they were talking about a command line, you know the old MUDs and text based games. Those games were more fun then anything out today that's for sure.
"The really insidious thing, of course, isn't that the mistake happened -"
The truly insidious thing is the lack of outrage from the non muslims. The vast majority of the people in the UK and the US simply don't give a rat's ass if a bunch of muslims can't pay their mortgage. They simply assume that they must be terrorists because the govt said so.
Until there is outrage from the masses nothing will happen.
That's because you are not thinking about this correctly. It' s more like a coalition of the willing type of thing. People come together for a cause, then drift apart only to come together again at some other time.
That's only because virtually everything you buy is made with the labor of children, indentured slaves, and untouachables. It's easy to buy a house for 10K when all your bricks are loaded into trucks by 14 year old girls.
I think the point is to discourage the use of cross platform libraries and languages. MS figures if they can tie python programmers to windows then less programs will be written that can run on linux or the mac.
Your customers may not be complaining but they may be walking away. Telling 5% (more like 15% for me) of your customers to fuck off is not such a good idea.
Somebody already pointed out an example but even if they didn't people should be afraid. Gates, Ballmer, and Allchin have all said they intend to defend their intellectual property and patents. In other words the top brass at MS has promised to sue people who violate their patents.
Are you under some impression that MS invented LDAP+Kerberos?
Anyway if you implemented LDAP+Kerberos it would be better then active directory because you would not be suffering from vendor lock. Vendor lock is always bad.
What is IBM being sued for, isn't it like 3 billion dollars or something? It's one thing to settle a case for a few hundred thousand but three billion is almost real money.
What IBM will get from this lawsuit is juicy discovery about Sun and MS. That's worth the price of the lawsuit alone. Who know how many lawsuits IBM will be able to file against Sun and MS after this case is over.
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"t's a gripe about the liveCD being used as an installer CD, but not behaving like an installerCD."
;)"
That's like complaining that the cake you got wasn't chocolaty enough. Nobody else even has a livecd.
"and the linux package manager could be done better. seriously. it could be GREATLY simplified. installing apps is a pain in linux, and although it does come with just about everything you need in the base install, when it comes time to install something, it can be a hassle trying to show someone how to do it."
How? It's already easier to install things in Linux then windows or Mac. All the apps are in one centrally searchable database, there are detailed descriptions of everything, all the dependencies are solved for you. You just fire up synaptic, or yast or whatever, read through the descriptions, decide what you want and click on it. How hard is that?
For a contrast look at what you need to in windows...
1) Drive down to the best buy.
2) Walk into the store.
3) Pick up Microsoft office.
4) PAY FOR IT WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.
5) Drive home
6) Put the CD into the machine.
7) Click "OK" on a half a dozen dialog boxes all asking you weird questions and makeing you agree to things you have never thought of.
8) Enter in a 30+ digit serial number/code without making mistakes
9) Reboot and cross your fingers that nothing breaks.
How in gods name is that more convenient then linux? With linux you don't have to leave your house!
Oh I suppose you could download some software for windows but you still have to unzip crap, run the installer, agree to a dozen things and more often then not reboot.
Like I said, you are complaining about your cake not being tasty enough when the other guy gives you five day old stale bread.
"and thanks for calling me stupid, man. try to act more mature next time.
Fuck that politically correct crap. I call em as I see em. You don't have to agree. I think it's stupid to complain about linux package management, live CDs or any other feature of Linux which no other OS has.
Postgres is great but it's replication and clustering are so far behind mysql it's not even funny. The reason people use mysql are because mysql jumped on replication early on and gave people a usable (if not transactionally correct) replication that anybody could set up in five minutes.
As for MS-SQL I try to avoid it like the plague. I can't stand the damned thing. I want to personaly choke to death every programmer who ever wrote an error message for ms-sql. Besides it only runs on windows. It's only database that I know of that only runs in windows.
We recently had a "help me" day at our local linux users group. Whole bunch of people showed up wanting help with various things. Not one person said "I am having a problem checking my email" or "I can't figure out how to write a document". All the problems had to do with devices (no drivers, windows only devices, weird laptop hardware etc).
The desktop is good. It is usable for anybody even your grandma. Now it's up to the hardware manufactuers to allow the developers access to their specs so they can write the drivers.
The rest of your complaints are just stupid. You are complaining about linux package management when neither windows nor mac even have one? Boot times too slow? WTF? How often do you reboot anyway? You are complaining about the LiveCD when no other OS has a liveCD? Why don't you do a compare of the LiveCD of vista and Knoppix or Suse and then tell us how much better the vista livecd is. OK?
"To say that Java isn't huge in the world is stupid. "
You know there is something called "context" you should look it up before you go on a rant about how huge java is. The "context" in this case was about applets and embedding high level languages in the browser. On that front java is a miserable failure. It should have won, there should be no such thing as AJAX now, there should have been a JVM on every Dell, Compaq, and IBM shipped in the last decade, there should have been a self updating JVM but there isn't because Sun didn't give a shit about the desktop. They still don't.
Nobody is going to reboot just to visit your web site and buy a widget. They will go to your competitor instead.
Zope is not a rich client platform. Aside from that zope is too complex and poorly documented and a moving target.
I used (not programmed) plone for a couple of years but I recently ditched. The straw that broke the camel's back was when my upgrade from plone 2.2 to plone 2.5 went horribly awry.
Zope is a supreme waste of brilliance and innovation. How can something to innovative be so useless? Before you bring out the flamethrower ask yoursef this. How come not one plone blog tool is 1/10th as good as wordpress (written in PHP of all things), name one good Plone product to check your email?.
The proper way to judge tools is by looking that what they built. Using that criterea Zope/Plone fails.
I should have clarified that and said "in our own country". I agree that the US targets arab journalists pretty frequently.
Unless it runs on the mac it's dead. The world has changed and MS no longer has over 90% of the market. It's one thing to tell 5% of your customers to fuck off, it's another to tell 15 to 20% of them to fuck off.
Java never cought on .NET will not either. It's just too stodgy and "enterprisey" and complex, and verbose and tries to do too much.
The answer was and is java. Unfortunately completely dropped the ball on the applet so now it's probably too late.
Ironpython just got to 1.0. You still can't write DLLs in python and call them from C# or VB.NET. That road only goes one way. You can call DLLs you wrote in C# from python but not vice versa.
I am not saying it sucks but it does seem half assed to me.
The US controls the internet and the press in much more sophisticated ways. We don't just kill journalists or blow up television stations like other countries do we buy them, we pay journalists to report what we want, we produce shows that are presented as news, we threaten reporters with losing access, we plant fake reporters in press rooms etc.
In other words we try our best to preserve the illusion of the free press while we control it.
First they came for the muslims.....
When I read "console" I thought they were talking about a command line, you know the old MUDs and text based games. Those games were more fun then anything out today that's for sure.
Give me a console any day.
"The really insidious thing, of course, isn't that the mistake happened -"
The truly insidious thing is the lack of outrage from the non muslims. The vast majority of the people in the UK and the US simply don't give a rat's ass if a bunch of muslims can't pay their mortgage. They simply assume that they must be terrorists because the govt said so.
Until there is outrage from the masses nothing will happen.
That's because you are not thinking about this correctly. It' s more like a coalition of the willing type of thing. People come together for a cause, then drift apart only to come together again at some other time.
That's only because virtually everything you buy is made with the labor of children, indentured slaves, and untouachables. It's easy to buy a house for 10K when all your bricks are loaded into trucks by 14 year old girls.
"For instance "all text should be accessible""
Yes. I wish windows had this too. Nobody has it now though. It would be great if Gnome was the first windowing framework in the world to give us this.
Not all of it. Actually not most of the useful parts.
I think the point is to discourage the use of cross platform libraries and languages. MS figures if they can tie python programmers to windows then less programs will be written that can run on linux or the mac.
The question is does ironpython run on mono.
Your customers may not be complaining but they may be walking away. Telling 5% (more like 15% for me) of your customers to fuck off is not such a good idea.
Somebody already pointed out an example but even if they didn't people should be afraid. Gates, Ballmer, and Allchin have all said they intend to defend their intellectual property and patents. In other words the top brass at MS has promised to sue people who violate their patents.
True, rape is usually good for the rapist and bad for the rapee.
Are you under some impression that MS invented LDAP+Kerberos?
Anyway if you implemented LDAP+Kerberos it would be better then active directory because you would not be suffering from vendor lock. Vendor lock is always bad.
What is IBM being sued for, isn't it like 3 billion dollars or something? It's one thing to settle a case for a few hundred thousand but three billion is almost real money.
What IBM will get from this lawsuit is juicy discovery about Sun and MS. That's worth the price of the lawsuit alone. Who know how many lawsuits IBM will be able to file against Sun and MS after this case is over.