Actually it brings up an interesting point. If the license is public (kind of) then why can't anybody submit it? The OSI is supposed to judge the license itself not who wrote it or why. I am also curious to know why MS told them to drop it. Why harm would it have caused them if it was approved?
"Will you lose your freedom and your life to avoid the repugnant war?"
False choice.
"No you would become a hypocrite and destroy milk factories and water treatment facilities if that's what it takes to beat your enemy in a war."
If that's what it takes to defeat your enemies then you are a sorry son of a bitch. It show exactly how inept and evil the IDF has become when they have to resort to destroying milk factories and attacking journalists in order to try and win a war (a task they failed at).
"You are one of the self-rightous-as-long-as-it-doesnt-concern-me people, who look at all wars from aside and say: "Hey, stop that war, its evil!"."
It does concern me. It is because of Israel that so many people hate the US.
The difference between me and you is that I am not a racist pig. That and I don't get all my news on fox, I don't believe in the supremacy of any one race over another, I find war crimes to be repugnant, I find torturing people to be repugnant, I find destruction of milk factories and water treatment facilites (hey the hezbollah could use those to DRINK!) to be repugnant.
There is a lot of difference between me and you. You are sick, racist, war pig.
Centos is RHEL but free. Oracle will be happy to sell you support. Groupwise is pretty damned good. There are more out there, all you have to do is look.
" * Killed 5 soldiers
* Kidnapped 2 soldiers
* Opened fire on Israeli military and civilian targets "
Hezbollah didn't fire on israeli civillian targets till after israel struck the airport. Hezbollah was acting like a responsible military force and targetting the military. Israel responded by comitting war crimes.
Besides which israel killed a thousand civillians and left a million people homeless. The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"Israel attacked both Hezbollah and civilian infrastructure in use by Hezbollah. "
Like airports, bridges, roads, milk factories, water treatment plants, television stations, electrical facilities right? I have news for you just because it's possible for a member of hezbollah to drive on the road or cross a bridge or to drink some water that does not give you the right to destroy something that's used by civillians.
Airport was a perfect example of this. There were no hezbollah at the airtport, israel killed 50 people waiting for planes.
The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"So in World War II, you'd let Hitler take over Europe, and most of Asia, because you must "think of the poor German children who die!"."
I oppose the israeli slaughter of civillians period. I also oppose the israeli occupation of palestine, the israeli torture of human beings, the israeli stealing of land etc.
The fact that you don't oppose any of these tells a lot about you.
"Israel does not assasinate anyone in the territories, except those who actively engage in planning, funding or sending terrorists to Israel to kill innocents."
What the hell are you talking about. Every year they launch missilies and kill women and children indiscrimantely.
The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"As for security checkpoints between Palestinian territories, they are put in place to make sure arms and explosives aren't passed freely between the territories, as the borderline between Israel and the entire"
The palestenians have the right to arm themselves, they have the right to transport arms from one part of their country to another, they have the right to defend themselves against israel stealing their land.
". I am not sure about the facts here "
NO you are not. YOu are completely clueless.
"So aside for the water control issues, for which I have not got all the facts, the Palestinians pretty much got everything else you said they didn't get."
REally? Did they get east jerusalem? Did they get israel to obey all UN resolutions against them? Did they control over their own water supplies? Did they all of the west bank and gaza? Did they get control over the ports? Did they get control over the airspace? Did they get the removal of all settlements?
No they got jack shit which is why they didn't take it. Nobody wants to be confined to reservations.
"Though you have not a single shred of evidence that I have any hate for muslims, arabs, or any dark skinned people."
Your words have been enough. You are clearly a racist. I think your cheering of the deaths and torture of arabs is ample evidence. Your refusal to condemn israel for torturing and occupying palestenians is also ample evidence.
This is typical of all racists. They refuse to admit it. You are no different any member of the KKK.
"But the Lebanese are not attacked, because Israel does not attack countries. The Lebanese attacked Israel, not the other way around. So Israel invoked its right to defend itself and went on a mission to destroy the attackers."
Hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers on lebanese soil. Israel retaliated by bombing the airport and killing 49 civillians which is a war crime. I am all for defending yourself but you are for killing civillians in response to attacking military targets.
"Israel attacks those who attack it."
Israel attacks civllians in response to military strikes.
"Hezbollah attacked Israel."
Nope, they arrested two soldiers which were in their country illegally.
"Israel was not willing to surrender to Hezbollah attacks, and decided to free its men by means of force, and to crush Hezbollah."
They killed a thousand civillians and destroyed an entire country while only killing a handful of hezbollah.
"The death or displacement of Lebanese civilians was not an Israeli goal and in fact Israel could buy cheap bombs that kill a lot of civilians, but instead Israel buys expensive precision bombs."
Israel used cluster bombs and 6000 lb bombs. That's hardly precision. If they were not total pussies they would have gone in there with people instead of using bombs in the first place. If they were not aiming for civillians then they are the most inept force in the history of manking.
"The precision bombs are bought with great financial effort, in order to minimize civilian casualties (unlike Hezbollah who shoot to kill civilians indescriminately)."
What financial effort? All their arms come from welfare from the US. We give them the aid so they can buy the weapons from us.
"Unfortunately, Hezbollah is hiding amongst civilians, so destroying them inevitably kills civilians."
That's been proven to be a lie already so no need to discuss this".
"Would you oppose World War II, because civilians got killed?"
I oppose the israeli slaughter of civillians period. I also oppose the israeli occupation of palestine, the israeli torture of human beings, the israeli stealing of land etc.
"Muslims are the minority in Israel, including the territories."
Barely. They are the majority in the west bank and gaza by a long shot. Very soon they will be the majority when you add israel.
"Muslims have self rule in the territories."
No they don't. If they elect people israel does not like then israel kills them. Israel also controls the water supplies, the airports, taxes, the roads, the ports etc.
"Hah. You are full of shit. I live in Israel, and I lived next to arabs who owned land in our Jewish neighborhood."
The muslims are not allowed to live in jewish only neighborhoods. They can keep the land they owned but they can't buy new land.
"Some limitations on travel are placed due to security reasons. But they are allowed to travel, just through security checkpoints which unfortunately prove their necessity time and time again."
Why are there limitation of people trying to go from one part of their country to another? They are not going into israel why does israel kill them anyway?
"No, Israel has taken land in the context of war (this is an almost universal consequence of war), and is giving it back now. It never "stole" land, and all the war-taken land is being given back."
ISrael stole the land. If as you say they won the land in a war then it is their duty to make all those people full citizens. That's what civilized nations do. For example the indians in the US are citizens. Israel is not a civilized nation so it does not do that.
"The Palestinians have a great peace offering and yet they choose continuous violence."
Nope. They have been given offers of basically reservations where they will be locked up. Their best plan so far involved 67 borders with israel controlling 85% of the water supplies and all of east jerusalem. Great for the jews sucks for muslims.
"I believe in the equality of all human beings, but also in the right of a nation to defend itself against attacks."
Unless of course they are palestenians defending against people stealing their lands or lebanese or syrians, or iraqis, or iranians right? I mean arabs don't have the right to defend themselves because they are not white. Only jews have the right to defend themselves. Besides that the jews may kill any number of civillians they want while defending themselves. For example if two jews get kidnapped then jews can in retaliation kill a thousand arabs and leave another million homeless because they are defending themselves.
"Torture itself is obviously a bad thing, but in some contexts, it is the lesser evil."
Ah yes good old moral relativism. Torture is bad except when it's good. It's only good when done by white people against brown people right?
"Israel is not massacring civilians, and it never has. All of the accusations of massacres were always proven false after the fact."
BHAHAHAHAAHA. Man you made my day with that one.
"With all respect to Mandella and Tutu, while they may know what "Apartheid" means, they don't know much about what actually goes on in Palestine."
Respect? You have no respect for them. They are just politicians. They should not even be listened to.
"In the Apartheid, for example, there weren't a lot of black people planning to suicide with bombs on them, in order to kill the whites."
True they comitted other forms of violence. They used knives and guns.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were a majority."
Muslims are the majority in the west bank and gaza they will soon outnumber the jews in Israel.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were non-civilians and had no autonomous regime."
Is Palestine the israelis kidnap and torture Palestenians parliment members.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were not allowed to marry whites."
In israel non jews are not allowed to own land and are not allowed to live in jewish only neighborhoods.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were not allowed to use "white busses"."
In palestine arabs are not allowed to travel freely form one part of palestine to another.
"Perpetual war is conducted by the arabs, and constantly it is the arabs who initiate war with Israel. When they lose, they blame Israel for war mongering, forgetting who it was who planned, initiated, and carried on with the violence."
It's israel who is occupying palestine and stealing their land. You admitted to that. The palestenians are trying to get their land back and get their independence.
"I also wonder why you take the words of politicians before the facts."
I love your lies. Your lies tell so much about you. First of all Desmond Tutu is a bishop not a politician. I love how you completely dismiss anything and everything Nelson Mandella and Bishop tutu say because you think they are politicians. Amazing, simply amazing how the racist mind works.
"I wonder why you think I am Jewish at all"
I didn't call you jewish, I called you a jewish supremacist. Many fundamentalist xtians also subscribe to the supremacist theory. You coul dvery well be a xtian fundamentalist as well as a jew.
"and you won't let the facts distract you?"
Facts like torture (which you admit israel conducts), perpetual war, stealing of land, apartheid, massacres of civillians, and mass kidnappings are kind of distracting huh?
The odd thing is that you admit that israel tortures people and steals land and you are fine with that. They are at war, they torture prisoners of war, they massacre civillians during the conduct of that war and you are fine with that. Amazing how the racist mind works.
Both Tutu and Mandella have visited the occupied territories. They saw first hand the kind of treatment the palestenians get at the hands of the israelis. Again as a racist you are not capable of accepting such facts. That's the problem with jewish supremacists. To them the suffering of other people don't count. To them goyem are not even humans.
"And yet you can't show a single line of similarity between Israel and the apartheid."
You mean other then refugee camps, devestating poverty, and lack of human rights? Anyway both Mandella and Tutu have been to both locations and can make a sound judgement about it. As a jewish supremacists you are not allowed to consider that they are capable of making such a comparison.
"There's a difference between UN resolutions and "international law". The UN is not an impartial organization, and its standing is affected by political interests and by the power of the Arab nations."
Which arab nation has veto rights?
"Israel does not want to occupy the Palestinians"
Lie
"it does not want to use torture."
Lie.
"Israel rarely uses torture as a last resort to prevent a terrorist bombing killing dozens of innocent civilians. "
Lie.
"The torture targets are always proven murderous terrorists."
Lie.
"Israel is working on stopping the occupation"
Lie.
"if the Palestinians had ceased their violence, then the occupation would long be over."
Lie.
"Each time Israel retreats from any occupied territory, the Palestinians use that area as a source for terrorist activity."
Lie.
Are your pants on fire yet Mr Jewish supremacist.
Like any other racist pig you probably believe all that shit. Just like the neo nazis believe that white people are genetically superior.
"My main issue with this is the idea that all kids can be "taught" impulse control. Maybe some people don't want to control their impulses. In that event - are you going to force them to or not? "
Once again you are not reading my posts. Some people can not be taught to control their impulses. These people are mentally ill and should be treated. This inability to control your impulses is what makes you a criminal, a murderer or a rapist. It's vitally important that we detect this crucial mental illness as soon as possible and treat it.
Of course some children will not WANT to control their impulses just like they don't want to take naps, don't want to eat their vagetables, don't want to share, etc. Child rearing is all about educating kids to do the things they don't want to do.
"Violence is not moral. Violence is a tool."
It's a tool that does not work. That's what you have a very hard time accepting. It doesn't work. We apply vilence every day in this country and yet we are still the most violent country in the world. If it worked then maybe I might buy your arguments but it doesn't. The evidence is all around you and yet you refuse to see it.
We keep throwing people in jail, the prisoners get routinely raped in jail, we kill people with the death penalty, our police routinely rough up suspects, and yet we have not been able to get off the top of the most violent countries. It's almost like violence itself is causing more violence. Maybe it's time to try something else that might work. Maybe it's time to stop using this tool which is clearly ineffective.
Oddly enough I have never felt the need to play halo. Maybe it comes with growing up I don't know. The only game I have on my computer is chess (and freecell of course). Seems to keep me amused enough.
Assumption: The fact that people lack impulse control makes them mass murders."
No and I never said such a thing. You are not listening to what I am saying so you are making up straw men arguments.
Lack of impulse control is a nessasary but not sufficient criterea. I said teach your kids impulse control which will remove that one crucial criterea. Once your kid learns to control his impulses the chances of him committing murder drop down to almost zero. Furthemore children who are incabable of learning how to control their impulses are mentally ill and should be treated either by a phschotherapy or drugs or worse.
"Has violence solved my poblems?"
Has violence solved your (plural) problems. Does the existence of jails, death penaly, guns, torture, spanking of children, and police brutality solved our societies problems? Are we not amongst the most violent nations on the planet? Don't we have some of the highest crime rates, highest rates of murder, highest rates of rape and other hideous crimes.
If violence is all so wonderful in solving these problems then countries which have more draconian and more violent systems should have less crime, less rape, less murder but that's not true is it?
There are numerous alternatives to exchange+outlook on linux both commercial and open source. On the commercial side there is lotus notes, domino, groupwise, oracle collaboration suite and many others. There are also numerous open source replacements for exchange including openexchange, kolab, and citadel.
Many of these will let you keep outlook if you are running a windows desktop too.
Anybody who says there are no alternatives to exchange and outlook is simply ignorant. In fact oracle collaboration suite is not only cheaper then exchange it's also much more featurefull and scalable.
"Fact: X is positively correlated with Y. Conclusion: If we eliminate X, we eliminate Y."
Nonsense. There are double blind scientific studies. All mass murderers lack inpulse control. If a child lacks impulse control then it is our duty as a society to treat that. Why do you presume I don't know the difference between correlation and causation? I tell you why because you disagree with my premise. Because you disagree you automatically dismiss any and all evidence which supports it.
What's really amazing is that you come back with a paper written in 1950s by a xtian fundamentalist to counter my points. That tells me where your head is at. We have learned a lot since them about human chemistry and psycology.
Teach your children to meditate, teach them to delay their gratification, teach them an exeercise program they can do all their lives, build healthy habits, and most importantly identify and intervene on behalf of the kids who are unable to do those things and you will take care of the crime problem.
One thing for sure, jailing, beating kids, and electrocuting people hasn't solved your violence problem. You seem to be convinced that violence is the way to go but look around you. Has violence solved your problems?
That's my point. It's a pile of shit. It insists that your profile be on your computer. It doesn't use an rsync like mechanism and moves whole files back and forth. If you log into multiple domains you get a different desktop on each one. If your sysadmin decides to change the domain name you lose all your settings. If you decide you just want to log into the local machine you get a different profile.
What the fuck? Whose insane idea was all that. Why shouldn't I be able to tell it that I want to use profile X or a profile mounted on a network drive? The unix way is so much better. All you have is a directory with text files in it. You can use rsync or svn, you can put it on a USB drive and carry it with you, you can mount it remotely.
The whole windows profile thing is just a pile. God help you if you ever want to change your domain for example. How long ago did unix invent the idea of mounting your home directory on a network server anyway?
Yes. Both Nelson Mandella and Bishop Desmond Tutu know a little about apartheid. But who am I kidding. I am talking to a racist pig. You probably don't even consider them human beings.
"Obeying all of the UN resolutions would mean the destruction of the state of Israel,"
IN that case the israeli experiment should be ended. A country which can only exist as long as they don't obey international law should not be allowed to exist. By saying that you are admitting that the israeli expirent is a failure.
"What Geneva rights does Israel not give the Palestinians?"
You know. The ones where they are not allowed to be tortured and they are to be granted basic human dignitiy. That one.
I am especially happy to see you excuse torture and occupation and a thirty year war against the people you are occupying. I guess that's all part and parcel of the jewish religion huh? I guess the god of the jews has no problems with torture or killing or apartheid.
Your posts show exactly how morally corrupt the jewish supremacists are.
"What it comes down is that you think we can fundamentally alter human nature easily."
Yes I do. I don't want to go into all the details but hear this.
Study after study has shown that children who are victims of violence commit violence. Every single human being in America has either been bullied or has bullied in their formative years. Parents hit their children, in some schools teachers hit the children. Violence is taught at an early age.
Study after study has shown the the single greatest thing you can teach your child is delayed gratification. Study after study has shown that murders, rapists and other ciminals lack impulse control.
Study after study has shown that meditation alters the brain for the better. That physical exercise leads to happier people (who will be less likely to commit violence).
If you just take those facts and act on them you could change society. If headstart consisted of every day putting a cookie in front a kid and saying "you can eat this now but if you wait a half hour I will give you two cookies" you can change the world. Not only will this teach very young people to delay their impulses it will quickly identify children who can't. Those children could then be helped either psychologically or chemically.
If every school and work day started with a hour and a half of yoga you could change the society. What's the use of teaching high school kids to climb ropes or play dodgeball? Why not teach them to meditate and practice yoga. The meditation will change the structure or their brain and give them the ability to cope with life, the exercise will carry them to their old age and keep them healty all their lives.
If you intervene early enough and with the proper tools you will eliminate violence from the lives of our children which will lead to a better and non violent adults.
Do those things I guarantee you you will eliminate (yes eliminiate) all murders and rapes. People who rape and murder are mentally ill. With monitoring like I proposed you can quickly identify and treat these types of mental illnesses at a young age and prevent crime.
You probably think this is some hippy dippy shit but it's not. These things have been studied and backed up by scientific studies. Go read about them and you will be amazed. Not doing them is like teaching creationism when you know evolution is a scientifically proven thing.
""Apartheid"? Please explain how Israel or its army is similar to the Apartheid."
You don't need me to explain it. Both Nelson Mandella and Bishop Desmond Tutu have called it apartheid.
" * What can Israel do to ease the suffering of the Arabs while still surviving?"
I already told you. End the apartheid is palestine, obey all UN resolutions, act like civlized people. The israeli experiment has failed. It is a nation which can only survive if it wages a perpetual war. You keep saying that the occupation of palestine is war and that israel is at war with the palestenians. That's a thirty year war!. If israel is at war then it should treat all palestenians prisoners as prisoners of war and yes that means no torture and full geneva rights.
If israel is not able to survive without waging a perpetual war against it's neighbors then it's a failure. Democracies are not supposed to wage thirty year wars. Civilized people find a way to get along even if it means compromising sometimes.
I will repeat myself. You are jewish supremacist. You are no different then any skinhead or any member of the KKK. You will excuse anything done by israel. Anyting at all. Torture, killing, kidnapping, destroying of an entire country (twice!), apartheid, occupation, stealing land and murder. You see nothing wrong with anything israel is doing. You can't even admit that israel could be a little wrong.
"If you really think you can stop ALL violent people without violence I'm just not going to waste my energy talking to you anymore."
Have you stopped all violent people WITH violence? Arguably the USA is the least pacifist country on the planet (well maybe israel but anyway) and we also have one of the most violent countries on the planet.
You are the delusional one. You think that you can stop all violent people with violence despite the fact you can observe otherwise. That's truly delusional. Is violence working? Can something else work better?
As for your other examples people who kill and rape are mentally ill. More then likely they too have been abused. In a society that values non violence these types of things could be handled way before somebody becomes a murderer or a rapist. In our current society if a human being can get through high school without being assaulted at least a dozen times it's a miracle.
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Actually it brings up an interesting point. If the license is public (kind of) then why can't anybody submit it? The OSI is supposed to judge the license itself not who wrote it or why. I am also curious to know why MS told them to drop it. Why harm would it have caused them if it was approved?
"Will you lose your freedom and your life to avoid the repugnant war?"
False choice.
"No you would become a hypocrite and destroy milk factories and water treatment facilities if that's what it takes to beat your enemy in a war."
If that's what it takes to defeat your enemies then you are a sorry son of a bitch. It show exactly how inept and evil the IDF has become when they have to resort to destroying milk factories and attacking journalists in order to try and win a war (a task they failed at).
"You are one of the self-rightous-as-long-as-it-doesnt-concern-me people, who look at all wars from aside and say: "Hey, stop that war, its evil!"."
It does concern me. It is because of Israel that so many people hate the US.
The difference between me and you is that I am not a racist pig. That and I don't get all my news on fox, I don't believe in the supremacy of any one race over another, I find war crimes to be repugnant, I find torturing people to be repugnant, I find destruction of milk factories and water treatment facilites (hey the hezbollah could use those to DRINK!) to be repugnant.
There is a lot of difference between me and you. You are sick, racist, war pig.
Centos is RHEL but free. Oracle will be happy to sell you support. Groupwise is pretty damned good. There are more out there, all you have to do is look.
" * Killed 5 soldiers
* Kidnapped 2 soldiers
* Opened fire on Israeli military and civilian targets
"
Hezbollah didn't fire on israeli civillian targets till after israel struck the airport. Hezbollah was acting like a responsible military force and targetting the military. Israel responded by comitting war crimes.
Besides which israel killed a thousand civillians and left a million people homeless. The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"Israel attacked both Hezbollah and civilian infrastructure in use by Hezbollah. "
Like airports, bridges, roads, milk factories, water treatment plants, television stations, electrical facilities right? I have news for you just because it's possible for a member of hezbollah to drive on the road or cross a bridge or to drink some water that does not give you the right to destroy something that's used by civillians.
Airport was a perfect example of this. There were no hezbollah at the airtport, israel killed 50 people waiting for planes.
The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"So in World War II, you'd let Hitler take over Europe, and most of Asia, because you must "think of the poor German children who die!"."
I oppose the israeli slaughter of civillians period. I also oppose the israeli occupation of palestine, the israeli torture of human beings, the israeli stealing of land etc.
The fact that you don't oppose any of these tells a lot about you.
"Israel does not assasinate anyone in the territories, except those who actively engage in planning, funding or sending terrorists to Israel to kill innocents."
What the hell are you talking about. Every year they launch missilies and kill women and children indiscrimantely.
The fact that you don't find that repugnant tells a lot about you.
"As for security checkpoints between Palestinian territories, they are put in place to make sure arms and explosives aren't passed freely between the territories, as the borderline between Israel and the entire"
The palestenians have the right to arm themselves, they have the right to transport arms from one part of their country to another, they have the right to defend themselves against israel stealing their land.
". I am not sure about the facts here "
NO you are not. YOu are completely clueless.
"So aside for the water control issues, for which I have not got all the facts, the Palestinians pretty much got everything else you said they didn't get."
REally? Did they get east jerusalem? Did they get israel to obey all UN resolutions against them? Did they control over their own water supplies? Did they all of the west bank and gaza? Did they get control over the ports? Did they get control over the airspace? Did they get the removal of all settlements?
No they got jack shit which is why they didn't take it. Nobody wants to be confined to reservations.
"Though you have not a single shred of evidence that I have any hate for muslims, arabs, or any dark skinned people."
Your words have been enough. You are clearly a racist. I think your cheering of the deaths and torture of arabs is ample evidence. Your refusal to condemn israel for torturing and occupying palestenians is also ample evidence.
This is typical of all racists. They refuse to admit it. You are no different any member of the KKK.
"But the Lebanese are not attacked, because Israel does not attack countries. The Lebanese attacked Israel, not the other way around. So Israel invoked its right to defend itself and went on a mission to destroy the attackers."
Hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers on lebanese soil. Israel retaliated by bombing the airport and killing 49 civillians which is a war crime. I am all for defending yourself but you are for killing civillians in response to attacking military targets.
"Israel attacks those who attack it."
Israel attacks civllians in response to military strikes.
"Hezbollah attacked Israel."
Nope, they arrested two soldiers which were in their country illegally.
"Israel was not willing to surrender to Hezbollah attacks, and decided to free its men by means of force, and to crush Hezbollah."
They killed a thousand civillians and destroyed an entire country while only killing a handful of hezbollah.
"The death or displacement of Lebanese civilians was not an Israeli goal and in fact Israel could buy cheap bombs that kill a lot of civilians, but instead Israel buys expensive precision bombs."
Israel used cluster bombs and 6000 lb bombs. That's hardly precision. If they were not total pussies they would have gone in there with people instead of using bombs in the first place. If they were not aiming for civillians then they are the most inept force in the history of manking.
"The precision bombs are bought with great financial effort, in order to minimize civilian casualties (unlike Hezbollah who shoot to kill civilians indescriminately)."
What financial effort? All their arms come from welfare from the US. We give them the aid so they can buy the weapons from us.
"Unfortunately, Hezbollah is hiding amongst civilians, so destroying them inevitably kills civilians."
That's been proven to be a lie already so no need to discuss this".
"Would you oppose World War II, because civilians got killed?"
I oppose the israeli slaughter of civillians period. I also oppose the israeli occupation of palestine, the israeli torture of human beings, the israeli stealing of land etc.
"Muslims are the minority in Israel, including the territories."
Barely. They are the majority in the west bank and gaza by a long shot. Very soon they will be the majority when you add israel.
"Muslims have self rule in the territories."
No they don't. If they elect people israel does not like then israel kills them. Israel also controls the water supplies, the airports, taxes, the roads, the ports etc.
"Hah. You are full of shit. I live in Israel, and I lived next to arabs who owned land in our Jewish neighborhood."
The muslims are not allowed to live in jewish only neighborhoods. They can keep the land they owned but they can't buy new land.
"Some limitations on travel are placed due to security reasons. But they are allowed to travel, just through security checkpoints which unfortunately prove their necessity time and time again."
Why are there limitation of people trying to go from one part of their country to another? They are not going into israel why does israel kill them anyway?
"No, Israel has taken land in the context of war (this is an almost universal consequence of war), and is giving it back now. It never "stole" land, and all the war-taken land is being given back."
ISrael stole the land. If as you say they won the land in a war then it is their duty to make all those people full citizens. That's what civilized nations do. For example the indians in the US are citizens. Israel is not a civilized nation so it does not do that.
"The Palestinians have a great peace offering and yet they choose continuous violence."
Nope. They have been given offers of basically reservations where they will be locked up. Their best plan so far involved 67 borders with israel controlling 85% of the water supplies and all of east jerusalem. Great for the jews sucks for muslims.
"I am an atheist."
Mmm. An atheist zionist. That's weird.
"I believe in the equality of all human beings, but also in the right of a nation to defend itself against attacks."
Unless of course they are palestenians defending against people stealing their lands or lebanese or syrians, or iraqis, or iranians right? I mean arabs don't have the right to defend themselves because they are not white. Only jews have the right to defend themselves. Besides that the jews may kill any number of civillians they want while defending themselves. For example if two jews get kidnapped then jews can in retaliation kill a thousand arabs and leave another million homeless because they are defending themselves.
"Torture itself is obviously a bad thing, but in some contexts, it is the lesser evil."
Ah yes good old moral relativism. Torture is bad except when it's good. It's only good when done by white people against brown people right?
"Israel is not massacring civilians, and it never has. All of the accusations of massacres were always proven false after the fact."
BHAHAHAHAAHA. Man you made my day with that one.
"With all respect to Mandella and Tutu, while they may know what "Apartheid" means, they don't know much about what actually goes on in Palestine."
Respect? You have no respect for them. They are just politicians. They should not even be listened to.
"In the Apartheid, for example, there weren't a lot of black people planning to suicide with bombs on them, in order to kill the whites."
True they comitted other forms of violence. They used knives and guns.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were a majority."
Muslims are the majority in the west bank and gaza they will soon outnumber the jews in Israel.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were non-civilians and had no autonomous regime."
Is Palestine the israelis kidnap and torture Palestenians parliment members.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were not allowed to marry whites."
In israel non jews are not allowed to own land and are not allowed to live in jewish only neighborhoods.
"In the Apartheid, for example, the blacks were not allowed to use "white busses"."
In palestine arabs are not allowed to travel freely form one part of palestine to another.
"Perpetual war is conducted by the arabs, and constantly it is the arabs who initiate war with Israel. When they lose, they blame Israel for war mongering, forgetting who it was who planned, initiated, and carried on with the violence."
It's israel who is occupying palestine and stealing their land. You admitted to that. The palestenians are trying to get their land back and get their independence.
"You know: Outragous accusations require outragous evidence."
No they don't. All it takes is a simple google search and a non racist mind. You are incapable of either.
"I also wonder why you take the words of politicians before the facts."
I love your lies. Your lies tell so much about you. First of all Desmond Tutu is a bishop not a politician. I love how you completely dismiss anything and everything Nelson Mandella and Bishop tutu say because you think they are politicians. Amazing, simply amazing how the racist mind works.
"I wonder why you think I am Jewish at all"
I didn't call you jewish, I called you a jewish supremacist. Many fundamentalist xtians also subscribe to the supremacist theory. You coul dvery well be a xtian fundamentalist as well as a jew.
"and you won't let the facts distract you?"
Facts like torture (which you admit israel conducts), perpetual war, stealing of land, apartheid, massacres of civillians, and mass kidnappings are kind of distracting huh?
The odd thing is that you admit that israel tortures people and steals land and you are fine with that. They are at war, they torture prisoners of war, they massacre civillians during the conduct of that war and you are fine with that. Amazing how the racist mind works.
Your posts show exactly how ugly racists are.
Both Tutu and Mandella have visited the occupied territories. They saw first hand the kind of treatment the palestenians get at the hands of the israelis. Again as a racist you are not capable of accepting such facts. That's the problem with jewish supremacists. To them the suffering of other people don't count. To them goyem are not even humans.
"And yet you can't show a single line of similarity between Israel and the apartheid."
You mean other then refugee camps, devestating poverty, and lack of human rights? Anyway both Mandella and Tutu have been to both locations and can make a sound judgement about it. As a jewish supremacists you are not allowed to consider that they are capable of making such a comparison.
"There's a difference between UN resolutions and "international law". The UN is not an impartial organization, and its standing is affected by political interests and by the power of the Arab nations."
Which arab nation has veto rights?
"Israel does not want to occupy the Palestinians"
Lie
"it does not want to use torture."
Lie.
"Israel rarely uses torture as a last resort to prevent a terrorist bombing killing dozens of innocent civilians. "
Lie.
"The torture targets are always proven murderous terrorists."
Lie.
"Israel is working on stopping the occupation"
Lie.
"if the Palestinians had ceased their violence, then the occupation would long be over."
Lie.
"Each time Israel retreats from any occupied territory, the Palestinians use that area as a source for terrorist activity."
Lie.
Are your pants on fire yet Mr Jewish supremacist.
Like any other racist pig you probably believe all that shit. Just like the neo nazis believe that white people are genetically superior.
"My main issue with this is the idea that all kids can be "taught" impulse control. Maybe some people don't want to control their impulses. In that event - are you going to force them to or not? "
Once again you are not reading my posts. Some people can not be taught to control their impulses. These people are mentally ill and should be treated. This inability to control your impulses is what makes you a criminal, a murderer or a rapist. It's vitally important that we detect this crucial mental illness as soon as possible and treat it.
Of course some children will not WANT to control their impulses just like they don't want to take naps, don't want to eat their vagetables, don't want to share, etc. Child rearing is all about educating kids to do the things they don't want to do.
"Violence is not moral. Violence is a tool."
It's a tool that does not work. That's what you have a very hard time accepting. It doesn't work. We apply vilence every day in this country and yet we are still the most violent country in the world. If it worked then maybe I might buy your arguments but it doesn't. The evidence is all around you and yet you refuse to see it.
We keep throwing people in jail, the prisoners get routinely raped in jail, we kill people with the death penalty, our police routinely rough up suspects, and yet we have not been able to get off the top of the most violent countries. It's almost like violence itself is causing more violence. Maybe it's time to try something else that might work. Maybe it's time to stop using this tool which is clearly ineffective.
Oddly enough I have never felt the need to play halo. Maybe it comes with growing up I don't know. The only game I have on my computer is chess (and freecell of course). Seems to keep me amused enough.
"Fact: All mass murderers lack inpulse control.
Assumption: The fact that people lack impulse control makes them mass murders."
No and I never said such a thing. You are not listening to what I am saying so you are making up straw men arguments.
Lack of impulse control is a nessasary but not sufficient criterea. I said teach your kids impulse control which will remove that one crucial criterea. Once your kid learns to control his impulses the chances of him committing murder drop down to almost zero. Furthemore children who are incabable of learning how to control their impulses are mentally ill and should be treated either by a phschotherapy or drugs or worse.
"Has violence solved my poblems?"
Has violence solved your (plural) problems. Does the existence of jails, death penaly, guns, torture, spanking of children, and police brutality solved our societies problems? Are we not amongst the most violent nations on the planet? Don't we have some of the highest crime rates, highest rates of murder, highest rates of rape and other hideous crimes.
If violence is all so wonderful in solving these problems then countries which have more draconian and more violent systems should have less crime, less rape, less murder but that's not true is it?
Why will you buy vista, don't your games work on XP?
There are numerous alternatives to exchange+outlook on linux both commercial and open source. On the commercial side there is lotus notes, domino, groupwise, oracle collaboration suite and many others. There are also numerous open source replacements for exchange including openexchange, kolab, and citadel.
Many of these will let you keep outlook if you are running a windows desktop too.
Anybody who says there are no alternatives to exchange and outlook is simply ignorant. In fact oracle collaboration suite is not only cheaper then exchange it's also much more featurefull and scalable.
"Fact: X is positively correlated with Y.
Conclusion: If we eliminate X, we eliminate Y."
Nonsense. There are double blind scientific studies. All mass murderers lack inpulse control. If a child lacks impulse control then it is our duty as a society to treat that. Why do you presume I don't know the difference between correlation and causation? I tell you why because you disagree with my premise. Because you disagree you automatically dismiss any and all evidence which supports it.
What's really amazing is that you come back with a paper written in 1950s by a xtian fundamentalist to counter my points. That tells me where your head is at. We have learned a lot since them about human chemistry and psycology.
Teach your children to meditate, teach them to delay their gratification, teach them an exeercise program they can do all their lives, build healthy habits, and most importantly identify and intervene on behalf of the kids who are unable to do those things and you will take care of the crime problem.
One thing for sure, jailing, beating kids, and electrocuting people hasn't solved your violence problem. You seem to be convinced that violence is the way to go but look around you. Has violence solved your problems?
"This means that for every login it has to walk the entire tree and copy newer files in their entirety."
And you can't just copy the files if you switch domains.
That's my point. It's a pile of shit. It insists that your profile be on your computer. It doesn't use an rsync like mechanism and moves whole files back and forth. If you log into multiple domains you get a different desktop on each one. If your sysadmin decides to change the domain name you lose all your settings. If you decide you just want to log into the local machine you get a different profile.
What the fuck? Whose insane idea was all that. Why shouldn't I be able to tell it that I want to use profile X or a profile mounted on a network drive? The unix way is so much better. All you have is a directory with text files in it. You can use rsync or svn, you can put it on a USB drive and carry it with you, you can mount it remotely.
The whole windows profile thing is just a pile. God help you if you ever want to change your domain for example. How long ago did unix invent the idea of mounting your home directory on a network server anyway?
Why guess? You can just look that up can't you?
"Appeal to authority, eh?"
Yes. Both Nelson Mandella and Bishop Desmond Tutu know a little about apartheid. But who am I kidding. I am talking to a racist pig. You probably don't even consider them human beings.
"Obeying all of the UN resolutions would mean the destruction of the state of Israel,"
IN that case the israeli experiment should be ended. A country which can only exist as long as they don't obey international law should not be allowed to exist. By saying that you are admitting that the israeli expirent is a failure.
"What Geneva rights does Israel not give the Palestinians?"
You know. The ones where they are not allowed to be tortured and they are to be granted basic human dignitiy. That one.
I am especially happy to see you excuse torture and occupation and a thirty year war against the people you are occupying. I guess that's all part and parcel of the jewish religion huh? I guess the god of the jews has no problems with torture or killing or apartheid.
Your posts show exactly how morally corrupt the jewish supremacists are.
"What it comes down is that you think we can fundamentally alter human nature easily."
Yes I do. I don't want to go into all the details but hear this.
Study after study has shown that children who are victims of violence commit violence. Every single human being in America has either been bullied or has bullied in their formative years. Parents hit their children, in some schools teachers hit the children. Violence is taught at an early age.
Study after study has shown the the single greatest thing you can teach your child is delayed gratification. Study after study has shown that murders, rapists and other ciminals lack impulse control.
Study after study has shown that meditation alters the brain for the better. That physical exercise leads to happier people (who will be less likely to commit violence).
If you just take those facts and act on them you could change society. If headstart consisted of every day putting a cookie in front a kid and saying "you can eat this now but if you wait a half hour I will give you two cookies" you can change the world. Not only will this teach very young people to delay their impulses it will quickly identify children who can't. Those children could then be helped either psychologically or chemically.
If every school and work day started with a hour and a half of yoga you could change the society. What's the use of teaching high school kids to climb ropes or play dodgeball? Why not teach them to meditate and practice yoga. The meditation will change the structure or their brain and give them the ability to cope with life, the exercise will carry them to their old age and keep them healty all their lives.
If you intervene early enough and with the proper tools you will eliminate violence from the lives of our children which will lead to a better and non violent adults.
Do those things I guarantee you you will eliminate (yes eliminiate) all murders and rapes. People who rape and murder are mentally ill. With monitoring like I proposed you can quickly identify and treat these types of mental illnesses at a young age and prevent crime.
You probably think this is some hippy dippy shit but it's not. These things have been studied and backed up by scientific studies. Go read about them and you will be amazed. Not doing them is like teaching creationism when you know evolution is a scientifically proven thing.
""Apartheid"? Please explain how Israel or its army is similar to the Apartheid."
You don't need me to explain it. Both Nelson Mandella and Bishop Desmond Tutu have called it apartheid.
" * What can Israel do to ease the suffering of the Arabs while still surviving?"
I already told you. End the apartheid is palestine, obey all UN resolutions, act like civlized people. The israeli experiment has failed. It is a nation which can only survive if it wages a perpetual war. You keep saying that the occupation of palestine is war and that israel is at war with the palestenians. That's a thirty year war!. If israel is at war then it should treat all palestenians prisoners as prisoners of war and yes that means no torture and full geneva rights.
If israel is not able to survive without waging a perpetual war against it's neighbors then it's a failure. Democracies are not supposed to wage thirty year wars. Civilized people find a way to get along even if it means compromising sometimes.
I will repeat myself. You are jewish supremacist. You are no different then any skinhead or any member of the KKK. You will excuse anything done by israel. Anyting at all. Torture, killing, kidnapping, destroying of an entire country (twice!), apartheid, occupation, stealing land and murder. You see nothing wrong with anything israel is doing. You can't even admit that israel could be a little wrong.
Racist pig that's all you are.
"If you really think you can stop ALL violent people without violence I'm just not going to waste my energy talking to you anymore."
Have you stopped all violent people WITH violence? Arguably the USA is the least pacifist country on the planet (well maybe israel but anyway) and we also have one of the most violent countries on the planet.
You are the delusional one. You think that you can stop all violent people with violence despite the fact you can observe otherwise. That's truly delusional. Is violence working? Can something else work better?
As for your other examples people who kill and rape are mentally ill. More then likely they too have been abused. In a society that values non violence these types of things could be handled way before somebody becomes a murderer or a rapist. In our current society if a human being can get through high school without being assaulted at least a dozen times it's a miracle.
Yea. When excel came out quattro pro was 10 times better. Quattro was the first spreadsheet with multiple pages too.
Definately written by idiots.