"Um...they made the equipment they needed to make things? Got out the anvil and hammer and used it to forget...the anvil and hammer?"
So it's your position that the king was noodling around and invented the plow and then manufactured it right?
"Hmm. So how did the rich enforce their "ownership"? "
By killing people who disagreed with them. In the beginning there was land and no people. After people showed up there was plenty of land to go around so it was not a problem. Eventually there were a lot of people and the prime land got short. So people banded together to kill and maim others in order to get and keep the good land. Within these tribes the stongers ones killed and maimed the others to establish dominance. Tribes grew and eventually became nations.
It's a long history and I don't have to time to explain it all to you. You should read it sometime.
Economy comes from converting natural resources into products and services. Every dollar of economic expansion comes at the expense of some natural resource or another.
This is so true. WIndows is virtually impossible to back up due to locked files. Even if you did spend big bucks to get some backup software and managed to back up your windows it would not work if you restored it into a new machine anyway. You would have to cross your fingers and hope it boots in safe mode then install every single driver all over again. There goes your week.
"Takes at least a plow and draft animals to farm, at least a sharp metal knife to carve wood furniture."
Well they certainly didn't get that stuff from the king or the lords that owned the land. They made it. This is exactly what I am talking about. You take natural resources and you turn them into stuff which is the start of the economical cycle.
"I thought a rich man is what you'd call a successful Stone Age farmer or artisan. What made the "rich" different from the "poor" back then?"
Rich is when you owned the land. Just like now rich is when you own the plane, poor is when you ride in it.
How did that line go "Don't become one of those shcmucks who think they have made it just because they are flying first class". Rich is when you have your own plane. Until then you are schmuck.
"Where'd the poor get the money in the first place? "
All money comes from converting natural resources into products and services. The poor got the money by farming and making shit out of natural resources.
Oddly enough god did indeed distrubite all the natural resources. The strong at one time killed the week people and took over the valuable ones though and thus became rich. Once they controlled the land they got even richer eventually becoming kinds and gods. Alas they were caught in the cycle of being overthrown and killed till they figured out that they have to give some back.
"Ah, so you're talking about a wealth-transfer program. "
Yes. It's a relatively new invention when it's going downhill (from the rich to the poor). Throughout most of history it's gone the other way. Unfortunately for the rich eventually the poor ran out of money and resorted revolutions where the rich were driven out and killed. Eventually the rich figured out that if they just trickle down enough money to keep the masses fed then they would not resort to revolutions and the rich can continue to summer in the hamptons.
Since then things have been going pretty well for everybody.
Same here. Once in a great while I might need a spreadsheet. Nothing fancy, just a basic spreadsheet. I really don't want to install some giant thing on my computer knowing that I will only use it three or four times a year.
"you have still failed to back up what you said about Isrealis targetting civilians."
What the fuck? I gave you links. One link contained actual quotes by israeli generals and politicians in which they specifically say they are going to target civillians.
"Also, please note that Hamas is supposed to be the democratically elected government of Palestine, so yes, they are expected to be civilised."
They certainly have been more civilized then the israelis.
" Don't bother responding because I actually know what you're going to write before you write it. Trust me."
That's obvious given the fact that you didn't read my last post.
"Because you didn't do me the courtesy of reading my post properly I am not going to read the links you posted, and seeing as the source is Pat Buchanan, a man I find to be an abhorrent waste of oxygen, I don't feel too bad about it."
One link was to an article by him. The others were CNN and amnesty international. I provided a link to his article because he compiled the quotes by israeli diplomats and generals in which they specifically said they were going to target civillians. If you bothered to use google for a few seconds you too would have seen those same quotes elsewhere. But you knew that already. You don't want to be exposed to any information which does not re-inforce your previously held beliefs. I guess dismissing information because somebody you hate wrote it is easier then actually reading and learning. I suppose you feel the same about CNN and Amnesty international too.
"I am not taking sides."
Were you the one saying "Israel does not target civllians"? If so you were taking sides. You were sprouting off the politically correct propaganda.
"Try some objectivity, your frothing anti-Israel rhetoric is frankly pathetic."
Considering you just spewed forth the entire israeli propaganda bullshit about hezbollah hiding in civillian areas and completely ignored the occupation of 3.5 million people and a policy of torturing children I'd say you were the one with the frothing rhetoric. Why don't you stop watching fox news and do some research?
I think I will repeat myself. You are an apologist for a barbaric state. Nobody expects much from hezbollah and hamas but israel is supposedly a modern civilized democracy. Alas thanks to millions of people like you they get away with murdering thousands of people every year when they could very easily find a way live peacefully amongst their neighbors. Yes it's possible, all they have to do is to obey the 60+ Un resolutions they are in violation of and stop their torture and occupation.
"But why do that when they could just coat the towns with cluster bombs and claim that they were hitting missile launch sites? That is, after all, what you claim Israel to have been Israel's goal -- killing civilians. Why kill four or five in a car or 30 in a bus when they could kill hundreds in a town?"
Gee I don't know. Why did Jeffrey Dahmer only kill seven people and not 20? What kind of a stupid question is that? They killed a thousand people, they said they were going to target civillians, they targetted civillians. The displaced a million people. You want me to praise them because they only killed a thousand people and displaced a million when they could have killed more people and displaced more people? What the fuck is that?
"Your words are purely anti-Israel,"
Yes they are. Unfortunately here on slashdot that costs a lot of karma but what the hell I have some to burn.
"claiming the worst in them while refusing to acknowledge the actions of Hezbollah"
I don't expect hezbollah to behave like a civilized democracy, I expect israel to. More so because my tax dollars go to israel and hezbollah.
"I suspect that even if Israel released all prisoners, retreated to the 1967 borders, allowed the Palestinians East Jerusalem as their capital, and negotiated mutually-beneficial access to water, you would still blame Israel for all of the ills in its area of the Middle East."
No I would not, but then again that will never happen.
"Besides, if they were targeting civilians, why would they have dropped leaflets indicating that airstrikes would come soon, and that civilians should get out of town to avoid harm?"
To cover their asses mostly. They dropped the leaflets and then struck the busses and cars of people fleeing.
"One of Hezbollah's commitments as part of the cease-fire was to disarm, but the very next day, Sheik Nasrallah said he would not disarm, and that he would fight attempts by anyone -- Israel, the UN, even Lebanon -- to disarm Hezbollah."
First of all Hezbollah never signed on to the agreement. The agreement was made with lebanon. Hezbollah said they would abide by it except for the disarming bit and they have. Israel on the other hand has already violated it twice so the agreement is moot anyway. Once the ceasefire is broken the deal is over.
"I'm wondering, do you believe that if Israel withdraws to the Blue Line (where they were when the kidnapping took place) and stays there, then Hezbollah will live in peace with them forever more?"
If israel obeys the 60+ UN resolutions it's in violation of then I do believe the chances of it living peacefully with it's neighbors increase tremendously. Of course this will mean ending the occupation of palestine, giving back east jerusalem etc which will never happen. Because Israel will never obey the UN resolutions, because israel will never give back east jerusalem, because israel will never end the occupation of palestine, because israel will never hand back the control of water supplies to the palestenians it will always be at war. For ever. It will always kill arabs, muslims will always hate them. There will always be terrorists actions against them. That's the life they have chosen for themselves.
"There really is no reason for them to think that they're next in line for a US invasion,"
US is in no shape to invade russia. It definately can't take on both iran, iraq and venezuala. Everybody knows this.
"Doubtful. Any radar installation on the coast would be out of commission on the first night of the "
Hezbollah almost sank an israeli warship. I am sure Iran will sink at least one if not a handful.
"a move to blockade the gulf would in some sense increase US power - nobody is getting oil except via US protection, so the US can now choose who gets oil deliveries simply by refusing escort services to anyone else. "
This definately won't happen. First of all the gulf is very narrow and can easily be mined. Secondly this would increase the price of oil to near 200 per barrel. Thirdly it would cause other nations who need this oil to work very hard to undermine the US.
"The fact is that the ground war would only last a week before the country enters a state not unlike that in Iraq - with the US holding control at national level while individual cities are in a state of anarchy."
Yes I am sure it will just as easy as Iraq. Despite the fact that Iran has had longer to prepare, has more troops, has more weapons, is more dug in, and has a more hostile population. Yep it should be really easy.
"Sure, a war in Iran would be messy, but the US isn't going to be deterred strongly by most of the issues you raise."
Of course not. This is the neocon wet dream coming true. I don't think they will be deterred by anything. They can smell the blood of iranians already.
"No, they're not. They're designed primarily to spread damage capabilities against lightly- or non-armored targets over a maximum area per weapon."
When they are used inside cities then they are clearly used to target civillians. They are in no way, shape or form a percision bomb. Only people who fully intend to maximize the number of civillians they kill drop them into cities.
"Israel withdrew completely from Lebanon in 2000, and this was certified by the UN"
There have been hundreds of violations of lebanese sovereignty by israel since then. Hell there have been two violations of the most recent ceasefire with israel launching airstrikes and sending troops into lebanon. Hezbollah has not retaliated and are keeping to their committment. Perhaps it is israel who keeps prodding the snake and not the other way around.
What I find most amazing about your post is the completely lack of discussion about the links I sent you. I knew you were not going to read them. The facts are simple and stark. The top brass at israel said they were going to target civillians, they targetted civillians, they killed civillians. Apparently you are OK with that.
"If Israel was capable of killing dozens with a single bomb, and civilians were what Israel was after, then why was the overall count not in the several tens of thousands?"
That's easy. Because hezbollah was not based in the cities. Their bunkers were well away from cities and in isolated places. Israel was not able to kill them because the airstikes were ineffective. When they sent their tanks in they got spanked.
I don't think actual facts or links will change your mind on this manner because you are an apologist for israel but just in case I am wrong here we go.
First of all read this article by Patrich Buchanan. Here are some quotes from that article.
""Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hezbollah," roared Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon on July 27"
"The Israeli paper then summarized what the justice minister and general were saying: "In other words, a village from which rockets are fired at Israel will simply be destroyed by fire." That was Thursday."
""One who goes to sleep with rockets shouldn't be surprised if he doesn't wake up in the morning," said Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman."
So there are three quotes by highly places israeli diplomats telling the world in no uncertain terms that they intend to kill civillians. We know by know that they were telling the truth because they carried out their threats and destroyed entire villages and displaced a million people.
Furthermore Israel USED CLUSTER BOMBS INSIDE CITIES which are designed to cause maximum damage to civillians. If you want to avoid civillian deaths you don't use cluster bombs inside of cities. You act like a man and send your army in there. Only cowards or sadists drop cluster bombs inside of a city to try and get a handful of terrorists.
Finally there is this damning report by amnesty international.
I could sit here all day and pull out one link after another but as I said I don't expect you to actually read any of this or to let any of these facts penetrate your head. You are an apologist for this regime and you are incapable of thinking or saying anything negative about them. Certainly google is available to you just like it's available to me.
"I think there is an equal amount of culpability to be shared by all sides in this."
Really? Equal? Exactly 50/50? Does the fact that hezbollah killed more soldiers then civillians and israel killed more civillians then soldiers make a difference at all?
"I just think that we are better served in discussion if we stick to things that actually happened."
Yes lets to do that. You want to start with the 15,000 kidnapped and imprisoned arabs rotting in israeli dungeons without trials, juries, charges or lawyers? You want to start with the regime of torture? Or perhaps you want to start with these stats?
I know nature is a bitch. A real nasty woman. Nature doesn't give a fuck if a doctor dies via bomb just like she doesn't give a fuck if the monkey dies of cancer.
That's the whole point. None of it matters. Kill the doctor, kill the monkey, kill the bacteria, save a life, save a hundred lives, bomb lebanon. In the end none of it matters because nature is a bitch.
Well put.
BTW I don't have any children. I never wanted any, so I never had some. Enjoy yours till they die or you die. Nature is a bitch.
Iran will not need any of those weapons. Their most powerful weapons are...
1) The ability to push up the price of oil to 150 per barrel. The minute israel strikes iran stops selling oil on the open market and voila the entire world hurts and israel is the cause. 2) Ability convince Venezuala and russia to stop taking dollars for oil thereby collapsing the value of the dollar. 3) The ability to cause unbeliavable pain for the US in iraq. Iran calls the shots with the shia majority. 4) The ability to strike tel-aviv with real weapons not the firecrackers hezbollah was tossing. 5) Ability to sink US and Israeli ships. 6) The ability to close the persian gulf to all shipment of oil.
Iran has already won this war. Israel and the US have no choice but to swallow their pride and make nice. Nobody wants the price of oil to 150 a barrel. Russia doesn't need the oil and since china gets along with iran and actually has dialog with them they can strike a deal at today's rates for an exclusive contract. All of iran's oil goes to china at current market rates, the rest of the world pays through the nose, russia/venezuala/saudi-arabia laugh all the way to the bank.
How much is the happiness of israel worth the rest of the world? Probably not that much. Nobody really likes them all that much anyway.
"The difference is that Israel wasn't targeting those civilians."
I don't see how you can make such a statement. The israeli prime minster said they were going to taget civillians (we will set the clock back 20 years in lebanon). Their generals said they were going to target civillians (we will destroy every town from which a missile was fired). Many israeli generals, their embassador the UN, their prime minister all said they were going to target civillians, target journalists, target the television stations and they went ahead and carried out their promise of killing civillians, journalists and destroying television stations.
I just don't get where you get the idea that they were not deliberately targeting civillians. They said so themselves.
Nothing but that's not what is happening. The world already has food surpluses. The US desroys more food then is needed to feed the hungry of the world.
Why don't you learn what GE foods are designed for before claiming that they are designed to "produce vast amount of nutricious food".
It's pretty rare when the president or any other govt official uses the phrase "war on terrorism". They use the phrase "war on terror". Just like we don't have a war on drug dealers but we have a war on drugs.
We are at war with a word. As long as at least one person experiences terror the war is not over.
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"Um...they made the equipment they needed to make things? Got out the anvil and hammer and used it to forget...the anvil and hammer?"
So it's your position that the king was noodling around and invented the plow and then manufactured it right?
"Hmm. So how did the rich enforce their "ownership"? "
By killing people who disagreed with them. In the beginning there was land and no people. After people showed up there was plenty of land to go around so it was not a problem. Eventually there were a lot of people and the prime land got short. So people banded together to kill and maim others in order to get and keep the good land. Within these tribes the stongers ones killed and maimed the others to establish dominance. Tribes grew and eventually became nations.
It's a long history and I don't have to time to explain it all to you. You should read it sometime.
Economy comes from converting natural resources into products and services. Every dollar of economic expansion comes at the expense of some natural resource or another.
This is so true. WIndows is virtually impossible to back up due to locked files. Even if you did spend big bucks to get some backup software and managed to back up your windows it would not work if you restored it into a new machine anyway. You would have to cross your fingers and hope it boots in safe mode then install every single driver all over again. There goes your week.
"Takes at least a plow and draft animals to farm, at least a sharp metal knife to carve wood furniture."
Well they certainly didn't get that stuff from the king or the lords that owned the land. They made it. This is exactly what I am talking about. You take natural resources and you turn them into stuff which is the start of the economical cycle.
"I thought a rich man is what you'd call a successful Stone Age farmer or artisan. What made the "rich" different from the "poor" back then?"
Rich is when you owned the land. Just like now rich is when you own the plane, poor is when you ride in it.
How did that line go "Don't become one of those shcmucks who think they have made it just because they are flying first class". Rich is when you have your own plane. Until then you are schmuck.
"Where'd the poor get the money in the first place? "
All money comes from converting natural resources into products and services. The poor got the money by farming and making shit out of natural resources.
Oddly enough god did indeed distrubite all the natural resources. The strong at one time killed the week people and took over the valuable ones though and thus became rich. Once they controlled the land they got even richer eventually becoming kinds and gods. Alas they were caught in the cycle of being overthrown and killed till they figured out that they have to give some back.
"Ah, so you're talking about a wealth-transfer program. "
Yes. It's a relatively new invention when it's going downhill (from the rich to the poor). Throughout most of history it's gone the other way. Unfortunately for the rich eventually the poor ran out of money and resorted revolutions where the rich were driven out and killed. Eventually the rich figured out that if they just trickle down enough money to keep the masses fed then they would not resort to revolutions and the rich can continue to summer in the hamptons.
Since then things have been going pretty well for everybody.
Same here. Once in a great while I might need a spreadsheet. Nothing fancy, just a basic spreadsheet. I really don't want to install some giant thing on my computer knowing that I will only use it three or four times a year.
"you have still failed to back up what you said about Isrealis targetting civilians."
What the fuck? I gave you links. One link contained actual quotes by israeli generals and politicians in which they specifically say they are going to target civillians.
"Also, please note that Hamas is supposed to be the democratically elected government of Palestine, so yes, they are expected to be civilised."
They certainly have been more civilized then the israelis.
"
Don't bother responding because I actually know what you're going to write before you write it. Trust me."
That's obvious given the fact that you didn't read my last post.
"Because you didn't do me the courtesy of reading my post properly I am not going to read the links you posted, and seeing as the source is Pat Buchanan, a man I find to be an abhorrent waste of oxygen, I don't feel too bad about it."
One link was to an article by him. The others were CNN and amnesty international. I provided a link to his article because he compiled the quotes by israeli diplomats and generals in which they specifically said they were going to target civillians. If you bothered to use google for a few seconds you too would have seen those same quotes elsewhere. But you knew that already. You don't want to be exposed to any information which does not re-inforce your previously held beliefs. I guess dismissing information because somebody you hate wrote it is easier then actually reading and learning. I suppose you feel the same about CNN and Amnesty international too.
"I am not taking sides."
Were you the one saying "Israel does not target civllians"? If so you were taking sides. You were sprouting off the politically correct propaganda.
"Try some objectivity, your frothing anti-Israel rhetoric is frankly pathetic."
Considering you just spewed forth the entire israeli propaganda bullshit about hezbollah hiding in civillian areas and completely ignored the occupation of 3.5 million people and a policy of torturing children I'd say you were the one with the frothing rhetoric. Why don't you stop watching fox news and do some research?
I think I will repeat myself. You are an apologist for a barbaric state. Nobody expects much from hezbollah and hamas but israel is supposedly a modern civilized democracy. Alas thanks to millions of people like you they get away with murdering thousands of people every year when they could very easily find a way live peacefully amongst their neighbors. Yes it's possible, all they have to do is to obey the 60+ Un resolutions they are in violation of and stop their torture and occupation.
"But why do that when they could just coat the towns with cluster bombs and claim that they were hitting missile launch sites? That is, after all, what you claim Israel to have been Israel's goal -- killing civilians. Why kill four or five in a car or 30 in a bus when they could kill hundreds in a town?"
Gee I don't know. Why did Jeffrey Dahmer only kill seven people and not 20? What kind of a stupid question is that? They killed a thousand people, they said they were going to target civillians, they targetted civillians. The displaced a million people. You want me to praise them because they only killed a thousand people and displaced a million when they could have killed more people and displaced more people? What the fuck is that?
"Your words are purely anti-Israel,"
Yes they are. Unfortunately here on slashdot that costs a lot of karma but what the hell I have some to burn.
"claiming the worst in them while refusing to acknowledge the actions of Hezbollah"
I don't expect hezbollah to behave like a civilized democracy, I expect israel to. More so because my tax dollars go to israel and hezbollah.
"I suspect that even if Israel released all prisoners, retreated to the 1967 borders, allowed the Palestinians East Jerusalem as their capital, and negotiated mutually-beneficial access to water, you would still blame Israel for all of the ills in its area of the Middle East."
No I would not, but then again that will never happen.
"Besides, if they were targeting civilians, why would they have dropped leaflets indicating that airstrikes would come soon, and that civilians should get out of town to avoid harm?"
To cover their asses mostly. They dropped the leaflets and then struck the busses and cars of people fleeing.
"One of Hezbollah's commitments as part of the cease-fire was to disarm, but the very next day, Sheik Nasrallah said he would not disarm, and that he would fight attempts by anyone -- Israel, the UN, even Lebanon -- to disarm Hezbollah."
First of all Hezbollah never signed on to the agreement. The agreement was made with lebanon. Hezbollah said they would abide by it except for the disarming bit and they have. Israel on the other hand has already violated it twice so the agreement is moot anyway. Once the ceasefire is broken the deal is over.
"I'm wondering, do you believe that if Israel withdraws to the Blue Line (where they were when the kidnapping took place) and stays there, then Hezbollah will live in peace with them forever more?"
If israel obeys the 60+ UN resolutions it's in violation of then I do believe the chances of it living peacefully with it's neighbors increase tremendously. Of course this will mean ending the occupation of palestine, giving back east jerusalem etc which will never happen. Because Israel will never obey the UN resolutions, because israel will never give back east jerusalem, because israel will never end the occupation of palestine, because israel will never hand back the control of water supplies to the palestenians it will always be at war. For ever. It will always kill arabs, muslims will always hate them. There will always be terrorists actions against them. That's the life they have chosen for themselves.
"There really is no reason for them to think that they're next in line for a US invasion,"
US is in no shape to invade russia. It definately can't take on both iran, iraq and venezuala. Everybody knows this.
"Doubtful. Any radar installation on the coast would be out of commission on the first night of the "
Hezbollah almost sank an israeli warship. I am sure Iran will sink at least one if not a handful.
"a move to blockade the gulf would in some sense increase US power - nobody is getting oil except via US protection, so the US can now choose who gets oil deliveries simply by refusing escort services to anyone else.
"
This definately won't happen. First of all the gulf is very narrow and can easily be mined. Secondly this would increase the price of oil to near 200 per barrel. Thirdly it would cause other nations who need this oil to work very hard to undermine the US.
"The fact is that the ground war would only last a week before the country enters a state not unlike that in Iraq - with the US holding control at national level while individual cities are in a state of anarchy."
Yes I am sure it will just as easy as Iraq. Despite the fact that Iran has had longer to prepare, has more troops, has more weapons, is more dug in, and has a more hostile population. Yep it should be really easy.
"Sure, a war in Iran would be messy, but the US isn't going to be deterred strongly by most of the issues you raise."
Of course not. This is the neocon wet dream coming true. I don't think they will be deterred by anything. They can smell the blood of iranians already.
Israel is neither secular nor civilized.
"No, they're not. They're designed primarily to spread damage capabilities against lightly- or non-armored targets over a maximum area per weapon."
When they are used inside cities then they are clearly used to target civillians. They are in no way, shape or form a percision bomb. Only people who fully intend to maximize the number of civillians they kill drop them into cities.
"Israel withdrew completely from Lebanon in 2000, and this was certified by the UN"
There have been hundreds of violations of lebanese sovereignty by israel since then. Hell there have been two violations of the most recent ceasefire with israel launching airstrikes and sending troops into lebanon. Hezbollah has not retaliated and are keeping to their committment. Perhaps it is israel who keeps prodding the snake and not the other way around.
What I find most amazing about your post is the completely lack of discussion about the links I sent you. I knew you were not going to read them. The facts are simple and stark. The top brass at israel said they were going to target civillians, they targetted civillians, they killed civillians. Apparently you are OK with that.
"If Israel was capable of killing dozens with a single bomb, and civilians were what Israel was after, then why was the overall count not in the several tens of thousands?"
That's easy. Because hezbollah was not based in the cities. Their bunkers were well away from cities and in isolated places. Israel was not able to kill them because the airstikes were ineffective. When they sent their tanks in they got spanked.
Yes that's important to note. It's also important to note that israel is occupying 3.5 million people in palestine.
I don't think actual facts or links will change your mind on this manner because you are an apologist for israel but just in case I am wrong here we go.
First of all read this article by Patrich Buchanan. Here are some quotes from that article.
""Everyone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hezbollah," roared Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon on July 27"
"The Israeli paper then summarized what the justice minister and general were saying: "In other words, a village from which rockets are fired at Israel will simply be destroyed by fire." That was Thursday."
""One who goes to sleep with rockets shouldn't be surprised if he doesn't wake up in the morning," said Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman."
So there are three quotes by highly places israeli diplomats telling the world in no uncertain terms that they intend to kill civillians. We know by know that they were telling the truth because they carried out their threats and destroyed entire villages and displaced a million people.
Furthermore Israel USED CLUSTER BOMBS INSIDE CITIES which are designed to cause maximum damage to civillians. If you want to avoid civillian deaths you don't use cluster bombs inside of cities. You act like a man and send your army in there. Only cowards or sadists drop cluster bombs inside of a city to try and get a handful of terrorists.
Finally there is this damning report by amnesty international.
I could sit here all day and pull out one link after another but as I said I don't expect you to actually read any of this or to let any of these facts penetrate your head. You are an apologist for this regime and you are incapable of thinking or saying anything negative about them. Certainly google is available to you just like it's available to me.
"I think there is an equal amount of culpability to be shared by all sides in this."
Really? Equal? Exactly 50/50? Does the fact that hezbollah killed more soldiers then civillians and israel killed more civillians then soldiers make a difference at all?
"I just think that we are better served in discussion if we stick to things that actually happened."
Yes lets to do that. You want to start with the 15,000 kidnapped and imprisoned arabs rotting in israeli dungeons without trials, juries, charges or lawyers? You want to start with the regime of torture? Or perhaps you want to start with these stats?
So in your example the parent is the doctor and the baby is the monkey and the doctor is giving permission to himself to "cure" the monkey. Right?
I know nature is a bitch. A real nasty woman. Nature doesn't give a fuck if a doctor dies via bomb just like she doesn't give a fuck if the monkey dies of cancer.
That's the whole point. None of it matters. Kill the doctor, kill the monkey, kill the bacteria, save a life, save a hundred lives, bomb lebanon. In the end none of it matters because nature is a bitch.
Well put.
BTW I don't have any children. I never wanted any, so I never had some. Enjoy yours till they die or you die. Nature is a bitch.
Iran will not need any of those weapons. Their most powerful weapons are...
1) The ability to push up the price of oil to 150 per barrel. The minute israel strikes iran stops selling oil on the open market and voila the entire world hurts and israel is the cause.
2) Ability convince Venezuala and russia to stop taking dollars for oil thereby collapsing the value of the dollar.
3) The ability to cause unbeliavable pain for the US in iraq. Iran calls the shots with the shia majority.
4) The ability to strike tel-aviv with real weapons not the firecrackers hezbollah was tossing.
5) Ability to sink US and Israeli ships.
6) The ability to close the persian gulf to all shipment of oil.
Iran has already won this war. Israel and the US have no choice but to swallow their pride and make nice. Nobody wants the price of oil to 150 a barrel. Russia doesn't need the oil and since china gets along with iran and actually has dialog with them they can strike a deal at today's rates for an exclusive contract. All of iran's oil goes to china at current market rates, the rest of the world pays through the nose, russia/venezuala/saudi-arabia laugh all the way to the bank.
How much is the happiness of israel worth the rest of the world? Probably not that much. Nobody really likes them all that much anyway.
Let me guess... You are a neocon right?
You consented to that procedure right? Did the monkey? BTW would you be OK if this guy was experimenting with children?
">>The US doesn't talk directly with Iran. Or with Syria.
No shit. They refuse to recognize Israel and their main goal is to eliminate Israel and the Jews from the planet."
So what? Why should that dictate who the US talks to and not? Am I paying my taxes to serve the interest of israel or the US?
"The difference is that Israel wasn't targeting those civilians."
I don't see how you can make such a statement. The israeli prime minster said they were going to taget civillians (we will set the clock back 20 years in lebanon). Their generals said they were going to target civillians (we will destroy every town from which a missile was fired). Many israeli generals, their embassador the UN, their prime minister all said they were going to target civillians, target journalists, target the television stations and they went ahead and carried out their promise of killing civillians, journalists and destroying television stations.
I just don't get where you get the idea that they were not deliberately targeting civillians. They said so themselves.
Nothing but that's not what is happening. The world already has food surpluses. The US desroys more food then is needed to feed the hungry of the world.
Why don't you learn what GE foods are designed for before claiming that they are designed to "produce vast amount of nutricious food".
It's pretty rare when the president or any other govt official uses the phrase "war on terrorism". They use the phrase "war on terror". Just like we don't have a war on drug dealers but we have a war on drugs.
We are at war with a word. As long as at least one person experiences terror the war is not over.
If they really were concerned with that they would have open sourced XAML so that mozilla could render it too.