Most blogs accept articles via email, you can email from word. What's the problem? If PDF was a compelling feature people would have switched to open office by now. The new format?? Who the hell cares about that. I have never ever heard anybody say "I can't wait to get the new office so I can save in a different format". Never, not even once. The fact that you are hanging out with people who are looking forward to that feature tells me that you are the one spending too much time navel gazing.
The neat thing is that the open office people can wait and see if it's actually liked. If people like it then they can code it up, otherwise they can keep their UI and present a compelling choice to people who want the old and the comfortable.
Every CIO is about to get reamed by MS but they won't do anything about it. Oddly enough none of their workers will give a damn anyway. They don't need an upgrade, their current version works just fine and does everything they want it to do. The only purpose of an office upgrade is to transfer shareholders money to MS. I am sure the CIO will get a nice present from MS after the contract is signed.
Montana and wyoming was a miscalculation. You guys underestimated how conservative and xenophopic those people are. I can tell you from first hand experience that by and large people live in montana because they don't like people. They moved there to get away from people. SOme of them find even montana too crowded and move to alaska.
I am dating myself but there was a great episode of "homocide" about this. Where all the cops and the DA are telling people "you have the right to remail silent, use it!"
"With varying degrees of efficiency. Economic output per energy unit is consistently rising. The USSR and its satellites had both worse environmental records and lower economic growth than the West."
It's nice that you only choose to look at energy while completely ignoring deforestation, depletion of the oceans etc. As for your second point the countries like US simply shifted their manufacturing to mexico and then eventually to china and pollution went with it. We also shifted our logging mostly to canada where they haven't depleted their forests to the same level as us (yet).
Efficiency takes humans and machines. There is no such thing as efficiency without humans and machines. Humans need to be sheltered, clothed, fed, moved around, and their shit needs to be processed. Machines need metals, energy, and manufacturing. It all takes natural resources. All of it.
"Probably not based on petroleum. But with nuclear, solar, and other forms of energy, quite possibly."
Keep dreaming. It's better then looking at reality. How many trees will it take to give every chinese and indian a house the same size as yours? How much metal will need to be mined to build all those cars? How much petroleum will be needed to make the plastics and the lubrication? Look at your lifestyle and then imagine everybody in china and india with the same lifestyle. It can't happen. there is not an infinate amount of anything in the universe.
I am pretty sure they took copyright violation out a while back. All they have now are methods and concepts crap. They know they have nothing though. They are just a chess piece in the hands of MS. MS is funding this thing just to keep up the FUD and hassle IBM, they will keep doing it until the case is over and then find another stooge to do it again. It only cost them about 12 million so they definately got their money's worth from this one. They suckered a bank into dumping a bunch of money (who took it in the shorts) and that bank is probably wanting some sort of re-imbursement but still just chump change for MS.
"But the short of it is: Who gives a damn what he thinks? "
Most of america cares very deeply what he thinks. Whats worse all of congress and everybody in the white house cares deeply what he thinks. He is one of the most influential people in the world and most of the people in the world care what he thinks.
I don't think you should shrug off his influence so lightly. If he called you a communist then that makes you a communist in the eyes of the world.
And all of that comes at the expense of the environement. There is no such thing as free lunch and there isn't an infinate amount of anything in the universe. Every dollar created comes at the expense of some natural resource without exception.
If the rate of wealth increase in china and india keep up and come within 30 to 40 percent of the US we will see global catastrophies. Can you imagine every chinese with a suburban house and an SUV? Every Indian? Can't happen.
Bill Gates the richest man in the world, the guy who helps millions of babies all over the world called you a communist. You think that hasn't sunk into the conscienceness of America? To many americans Bill Gates is a hero to be admired. If he says you are a communist then you are one.
Alas with law that's the way it works. This president has set precedent on a number of issues which are now set in stone as the law of the land. It's not a matter of a slippery slope it's more like a one way gate. Now that we are on this side we can not go back even if we want to.
You can now be jailed without reason for ever without a trial, without evidence, without charges. Furthermore you can be tortured or shipped to other countries to be tortured. You can be killed at will too.
None of what you said is actually relevent to this conversation but.....
You are/were a volunteer soldier. I was too at one time. When I was in the military I saw first hand what an inneficient and wasteful organization it was. Anybody who tries to justify military spending because it creates R&D is a fool. For every dollar spent on R&D the military spends million dollars on painting an entire base because the general is coming to visit.
As for war pigginess. Well yes since you volunteered to join the army and took active part in the illegal invasion and occupation of people who didn't and don't want you there you must shoulder some of the karma from that process. I don't know if you personally snuffed out a human life there but you helped kill tens of thousands completely innocent human beings. If there is a God you will be held accountable for that sooner or later.
Are you a war pig? Maybe, were you a tool of the war pig? Definately.
If you hate to see iraqis dead then maybe you should stop killing them, just a thought.
Aren't good and evil inherently religious or moral terms? Don't all judgements of good and evil come from positions of zealotry?
By the way thanks for reminding us once again that all open source users, developers and everybody who talks about open source in positive terms is a zealot. After all there can be no other reason to like or use open source software. There is no appreciable difference between us and osama bin laden. Very professionally done. You should ask for a raise.
So let me get this straight. If a country changes a style of goverment then all their culture built up over hundreds if not thousands of years get wiped? They don't count as the same people anymore? So the English of the king george days is no longer the english of today? That was a whole different culture altogether, not the same govt? Same with the japanese? Their entire culture is moot because they went to a democracy relativel recently?
What an absurd notion. Oddly enough a straw men thrown up trying to defend libeteriansims as a viable form of govt. Not surprising I am still waiting for some evidence of liberterianism practiced someplace on this planet successfully.
This seems like a good opportunity for you to contribute. You can download the source code for the page and then rewrite it and maybe jazz it up a bit and submit back to them. I bet they either use it or incorporate some of your wording into their pages.
Overshrill is in the eye of the beholder of course. For the "shup and take it bitch" crowd any amount of uppityness is upsetting. Clearly he has and is accomplishing a lot so I say more power to him and all the rest of the uppity freaks who refuse to shut up and sit down.
"Not even close. The Ottoman Empire was Islamic, Turkey is highly secular and far, far smaller. What you clearly fail to understand here is that just because people continue to live in the same physical location does not mean that their "civilization" as it applies to an example of a sustained economic system and governance which - your original use of the term in asking for examples of such - has continued uninterrupted."
Go ask the Turks if they are the same civilization and they will say yes.
Let's set that aside for now. Are the japanese the same civilization? The chinese? The english? The french? Have they been around longer then 500 years?
Oh and I am still waiting for any civilization in history anywhere which actually instituted a liberterian govt and lasted for five years or more.
I won't be holding my breath though. Idiological misfits and deluded zealots rarely form governments. You guys couldn't even get your act together enough to move to Montana where you were supposed to try and form a majority or an influencial minority. The least populated state and you failed miserably at that!.
So you have decided that a conversation about how best to go about doing research and development has become about the merits of war then huh? Nice going dumbass. Now why don't you go back to listening to talk radio because apparently reading is just too hard for you.
There are two basic questions in this thread.
1) Is the govt the best and the most efficient mechanism to advance the state of R&D? 2) Given A) is military spending the best and most efficient mechanism to advance the state of R&D.
I say the answer to both questions is FALSE.
The war pigs apparently think the answer to both questions is TRUE and as a bonus they get better and longer lasting erections thinking about all the dead brown people.
"Silly doof, quit rubbing your head like that, it will grow hair. Natural resources are part of the set of limited resources. Economics being a study of human nature it doesn't simply lose all applicability when the word "natural" is spoken."
So how much did Adam Smith write about sustainibility of natural resources? Yes the answer is none.
"Yep, the Ottoman Empire is a real force in modern geo-politics isn't it? Persia, what country is that? Oh yeah, Iran, that little revolution back in 1979 was no big deal, not a change from secularist to theocratic government. India's got such a long history as the world's largest democracy, doesn't it - going back all of 55 years! Iraq - the very model of a stable economic policy right. And don't forget those arabs, the house of Saud has dominated the pennisula for millenia!"
Ottoman empire is now Turkey again it pays to crack the history books once in a while. But anyway you have just proved my point. India, China, Japan, persia, ottoman empire, the british empire, the french, the germans, the scandanavians, and all other nations who have been around for more then five hundred years have never, ever, not once governed themselves by liberterian principles. Never. They have tried monarch, various degrees of theocracy, democracy, and have all settled on some sort of socialism.
"if it ain't been done before, it ain't worth doing - that's what I always say."
LOL. Yes try it and see how well it works. You can't even convince.5 percent of Americans that it's a good idea!
"Yeah, what the fuck were people like Jefferson and Franklin thinking listening to that whack-pack of crazy freaks like Voltaire, Kant, Locke and Hume."
They read philosphers, then they wrote a constitution based on reality and practicality. Liberterianism doesn't work, it never has, it never will. If anybody could have made it work it was those guys.
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Most blogs accept articles via email, you can email from word. What's the problem? If PDF was a compelling feature people would have switched to open office by now. The new format?? Who the hell cares about that. I have never ever heard anybody say "I can't wait to get the new office so I can save in a different format". Never, not even once. The fact that you are hanging out with people who are looking forward to that feature tells me that you are the one spending too much time navel gazing.
The neat thing is that the open office people can wait and see if it's actually liked. If people like it then they can code it up, otherwise they can keep their UI and present a compelling choice to people who want the old and the comfortable.
Every CIO is about to get reamed by MS but they won't do anything about it. Oddly enough none of their workers will give a damn anyway. They don't need an upgrade, their current version works just fine and does everything they want it to do. The only purpose of an office upgrade is to transfer shareholders money to MS. I am sure the CIO will get a nice present from MS after the contract is signed.
When you are trying to get money from a large corporation you are a moneymonger. When you are trying to get money from consumers you are a capitalist.
Montana and wyoming was a miscalculation. You guys underestimated how conservative and xenophopic those people are. I can tell you from first hand experience that by and large people live in montana because they don't like people. They moved there to get away from people. SOme of them find even montana too crowded and move to alaska.
I am dating myself but there was a great episode of "homocide" about this. Where all the cops and the DA are telling people "you have the right to remail silent, use it!"
"With varying degrees of efficiency. Economic output per energy unit is consistently rising. The USSR and its satellites had both worse environmental records and lower economic growth than the West."
It's nice that you only choose to look at energy while completely ignoring deforestation, depletion of the oceans etc. As for your second point the countries like US simply shifted their manufacturing to mexico and then eventually to china and pollution went with it. We also shifted our logging mostly to canada where they haven't depleted their forests to the same level as us (yet).
Efficiency takes humans and machines. There is no such thing as efficiency without humans and machines. Humans need to be sheltered, clothed, fed, moved around, and their shit needs to be processed. Machines need metals, energy, and manufacturing. It all takes natural resources. All of it.
"Probably not based on petroleum. But with nuclear, solar, and other forms of energy, quite possibly."
Keep dreaming. It's better then looking at reality. How many trees will it take to give every chinese and indian a house the same size as yours? How much metal will need to be mined to build all those cars? How much petroleum will be needed to make the plastics and the lubrication? Look at your lifestyle and then imagine everybody in china and india with the same lifestyle. It can't happen. there is not an infinate amount of anything in the universe.
I am pretty sure they took copyright violation out a while back. All they have now are methods and concepts crap. They know they have nothing though. They are just a chess piece in the hands of MS. MS is funding this thing just to keep up the FUD and hassle IBM, they will keep doing it until the case is over and then find another stooge to do it again. It only cost them about 12 million so they definately got their money's worth from this one. They suckered a bank into dumping a bunch of money (who took it in the shorts) and that bank is probably wanting some sort of re-imbursement but still just chump change for MS.
"But the short of it is: Who gives a damn what he thinks? "
Most of america cares very deeply what he thinks. Whats worse all of congress and everybody in the white house cares deeply what he thinks. He is one of the most influential people in the world and most of the people in the world care what he thinks.
I don't think you should shrug off his influence so lightly. If he called you a communist then that makes you a communist in the eyes of the world.
I will quote Jesse Jackson.
"Capitalism without capital is just another ism".
And all of that comes at the expense of the environement. There is no such thing as free lunch and there isn't an infinate amount of anything in the universe. Every dollar created comes at the expense of some natural resource without exception.
If the rate of wealth increase in china and india keep up and come within 30 to 40 percent of the US we will see global catastrophies. Can you imagine every chinese with a suburban house and an SUV? Every Indian? Can't happen.
Bill Gates the richest man in the world, the guy who helps millions of babies all over the world called you a communist. You think that hasn't sunk into the conscienceness of America? To many americans Bill Gates is a hero to be admired. If he says you are a communist then you are one.
Alas with law that's the way it works. This president has set precedent on a number of issues which are now set in stone as the law of the land. It's not a matter of a slippery slope it's more like a one way gate. Now that we are on this side we can not go back even if we want to.
You can now be jailed without reason for ever without a trial, without evidence, without charges. Furthermore you can be tortured or shipped to other countries to be tortured. You can be killed at will too.
Sorry but that's the law now.
None of what you said is actually relevent to this conversation but.....
You are/were a volunteer soldier. I was too at one time. When I was in the military I saw first hand what an inneficient and wasteful organization it was. Anybody who tries to justify military spending because it creates R&D is a fool. For every dollar spent on R&D the military spends million dollars on painting an entire base because the general is coming to visit.
As for war pigginess. Well yes since you volunteered to join the army and took active part in the illegal invasion and occupation of people who didn't and don't want you there you must shoulder some of the karma from that process. I don't know if you personally snuffed out a human life there but you helped kill tens of thousands completely innocent human beings. If there is a God you will be held accountable for that sooner or later.
Are you a war pig? Maybe, were you a tool of the war pig? Definately.
If you hate to see iraqis dead then maybe you should stop killing them, just a thought.
Aren't good and evil inherently religious or moral terms? Don't all judgements of good and evil come from positions of zealotry?
By the way thanks for reminding us once again that all open source users, developers and everybody who talks about open source in positive terms is a zealot. After all there can be no other reason to like or use open source software. There is no appreciable difference between us and osama bin laden. Very professionally done. You should ask for a raise.
I am saying the cat is out of the bag. You can't put it back now.
To you being without flash is indistinguishable from being without a browser or a computer. How odd.
Perhaps you should learn to read and do some research. Google is your friend.
So let me get this straight. If a country changes a style of goverment then all their culture built up over hundreds if not thousands of years get wiped? They don't count as the same people anymore? So the English of the king george days is no longer the english of today? That was a whole different culture altogether, not the same govt? Same with the japanese? Their entire culture is moot because they went to a democracy relativel recently?
What an absurd notion. Oddly enough a straw men thrown up trying to defend libeteriansims as a viable form of govt. Not surprising I am still waiting for some evidence of liberterianism practiced someplace on this planet successfully.
This seems like a good opportunity for you to contribute. You can download the source code for the page and then rewrite it and maybe jazz it up a bit and submit back to them. I bet they either use it or incorporate some of your wording into their pages.
It doesn't work unless you contribute!
What will happen to you if you don't have a flash player or editor? Will you die? Will you starve? Will you be cold?
I'll phrase it another way. Are you willing to make any sacrifice at all for any cause? Even a tiny little one like giving up flash (if you have to)?
"overshrill for his/our own good."
Overshrill is in the eye of the beholder of course. For the "shup and take it bitch" crowd any amount of uppityness is upsetting. Clearly he has and is accomplishing a lot so I say more power to him and all the rest of the uppity freaks who refuse to shut up and sit down.
"Not even close. The Ottoman Empire was Islamic, Turkey is highly secular and far, far smaller. What you clearly fail to understand here is that just because people continue to live in the same physical location does not mean that their "civilization" as it applies to an example of a sustained economic system and governance which - your original use of the term in asking for examples of such - has continued uninterrupted."
Go ask the Turks if they are the same civilization and they will say yes.
Let's set that aside for now. Are the japanese the same civilization? The chinese? The english? The french? Have they been around longer then 500 years?
Oh and I am still waiting for any civilization in history anywhere which actually instituted a liberterian govt and lasted for five years or more.
I won't be holding my breath though. Idiological misfits and deluded zealots rarely form governments. You guys couldn't even get your act together enough to move to Montana where you were supposed to try and form a majority or an influencial minority. The least populated state and you failed miserably at that!.
LOL.
So you have decided that a conversation about how best to go about doing research and development has become about the merits of war then huh? Nice going dumbass. Now why don't you go back to listening to talk radio because apparently reading is just too hard for you.
There are two basic questions in this thread.
1) Is the govt the best and the most efficient mechanism to advance the state of R&D?
2) Given A) is military spending the best and most efficient mechanism to advance the state of R&D.
I say the answer to both questions is FALSE.
The war pigs apparently think the answer to both questions is TRUE and as a bonus they get better and longer lasting erections thinking about all the dead brown people.
"Silly doof, quit rubbing your head like that, it will grow hair. Natural resources are part of the set of limited resources. Economics being a study of human nature it doesn't simply lose all applicability when the word "natural" is spoken."
.5 percent of Americans that it's a good idea!
So how much did Adam Smith write about sustainibility of natural resources? Yes the answer is none.
"Yep, the Ottoman Empire is a real force in modern geo-politics isn't it? Persia, what country is that? Oh yeah, Iran, that little revolution back in 1979 was no big deal, not a change from secularist to theocratic government. India's got such a long history as the world's largest democracy, doesn't it - going back all of 55 years! Iraq - the very model of a stable economic policy right. And don't forget those arabs, the house of Saud has dominated the pennisula for millenia!"
Ottoman empire is now Turkey again it pays to crack the history books once in a while. But anyway you have just proved my point. India, China, Japan, persia, ottoman empire, the british empire, the french, the germans, the scandanavians, and all other nations who have been around for more then five hundred years have never, ever, not once governed themselves by liberterian principles. Never. They have tried monarch, various degrees of theocracy, democracy, and have all settled on some sort of socialism.
"if it ain't been done before, it ain't worth doing - that's what I always say."
LOL. Yes try it and see how well it works. You can't even convince
"Yeah, what the fuck were people like Jefferson and Franklin thinking listening to that whack-pack of crazy freaks like Voltaire, Kant, Locke and Hume."
They read philosphers, then they wrote a constitution based on reality and practicality. Liberterianism doesn't work, it never has, it never will. If anybody could have made it work it was those guys.