There is no need to sell me on a mac or windows or linux. I have three (yes three) macs. Two mac minis and a powermac. I used to have a powerbook too but it died and they wanted over a thousand dollars to fix it so I threw it away. The warranty was expired and I had it serviced four times while it was under the warranty so I swore I would never buy a mac laptop again. I replaced it with a dell which is running ubuntu just fine thank you.
In addition to the macs I have two computers running windows (both dells) and of course I use windows at work all day long.
Of all the OSes I use every day my favorite is Linux. Not because of ideology because it gets the job I want done and it gets out of my way. No I don't need photoshop. I have never used it, I have never needed to use it. I am not an artist, I can't draw, I don't care. I have every single database server on the planet running on one machine or another but I don't have any program other then paint or whatever comes with the OS. That's what I do, I like databases, I like programming.
I have never needed to steal any software because linux has everything I need. It works with my digital camera, it works with my printers, it works with my treo, it just works for me.
I am just trying to help you that's all. If you are happy merely pissing on RMS on slashdot then more power to you. It just seems to me that pissing on RMS here is really not all that kewl. I mean you are just a part of the herd here.
Clearly your powers to deride the works of others is going to waste here on/.
"If you make serious judgments about other people based on their platform, you're an idiot."
Nonsense. Your choices say a lot about you. Your choice in music, films, clothes, politicians, news channels and yes your operating system too. That's a big componenent of how we judge people. If somebody is fat, had a dirty beard, wears tatoos and rides a harley they that says something about him. If somebody is clean cut, has no tatoos and rides around in a scooter it says something else.
I told you why I use Linux and I said nothing about ideology. Linux gets out of my way and lets me do the job I want to do. Once it's set up I pretty nuch never have to touch it again. It just works. I also have a mac but to me the mac is a toy. I use it as a toy. It's fun sometimes but when I am on it I miss my linux box. That's because I have my linux box tweaked to serve me, to meet my needs, to please my wants, to cater to my quirks of working. I am unable to do that with the Mac or windows. That's why I like linux, it pleases me.
Sure the Mac is a hundred times better then windows. And yes the mac does have better wireless support. On the other hand I think the finder is an abomination, I think the minimize/maximize on windows is just annoying, the GUI is too slow, I can't get the mouse speed up to a speed I like (I like a very fast mouse), it won't work my HP laserjet 3100, I can't stand darwinports or fink, X-11 on mac is an horrid thing, and asterisk sucks on it.
All of that has nothing to do with ideology. I actually like the way linux looks and works. Yes better then the mac. Maybe that's because I have never felt the need to use photoshop (even though I hear it works under wine).
I am not suggesting that you are looking for attention (clearly you are not). I am suggesting that giving the finger to RMS from your mothers basement probably isn't all that fulfilling. If you really want to piss on RMS I suggest you do something (other then post on slashdot of course) so that he will want an audience with you and then you can piss on him for real!. You can post his email on the web and your reply which of course will be a rejection letter ending with "IN YOUR FACE MUTHAFUCKA!".
All you have to do is to write a C compiler or start a non profit and give lectures and write articles and easy shit like that. Anybody can do that stuff, it's not like it's an accomplishment or anything.
Me I like the fact that I don't have to type in a 32 character key code when I re-install. That's just one thing. I also LOVE the fact things don't constantly pop up out of the taskbar with useless messages and interrrupt my flow, multipe desktops, and a dozens of other features too but that's just me.
To me linux "just works". Stays out of my way, doesn't tell me what do to, doesn't pretend it's smarter then me, doesn't do things behind my back, doesn't interrupt me when I am thinking.
Here you are pissing on RMS on slashdot like all the other 17 year olds but I imagine this does not really give a feeling of satisfaction. I mean all the kool kids piss on RMS here and lets face it he probably hasn't read your posts about him anyway. I am sure this must leave you with some feeling of inadequecy and frustration. I mean what's the use of pissing on somebody when they are not even there!.
He is my suggestion. I suggest you do something. I don't mean pissing on people here, I mean something significant. So significant that RMS will seek an audience with you. At that point you can publicly reject him!. Now THAT would be really pissing on RMS!. You can end your letter with "IN YOUR FACE MUTHAFUCKA!".
What do you think? Here a couple of suggestions. You can write a really cool compiler, you can write a really great editor, you can start a non profit foundation and run it, you could give lectures, you could write lots of articles and get them published all over the world. You know simple stupid shit like that. Anybody can do that kind of stuff.
I eagerly await the fruits of your efforts. Let's face it giving the finger to RMS from your mothers basement can't be all that rewarding.
LOL Level 2 support!. You are only three days from a solution now my boy!. Thanks for holding on line for three hours and talking to first level support for two. Aren't you glad you rebooted that server five times already because the level 1 support would not deviate from their script?
Well my point is that you judge the tool by the products you build with it. A beautiful tool is just art if it's not capable of being used to build great things.
Zope is beautiful, from what little I have seen lisp is beautiful. Alas at this point I am convinced that they are just art.
Once again I commend you on your ability to belittle and deride the works of others. You are clearly a master at this long lost art. Did you ever make that lists of accomplishments by the way?
No I haven't. Could you maybe post an email of him requesting an audience with you or scan the letter you recieved where he is asking for an audience with you?
Once again feel free to minimize his accomplishments if it makes you feel better. It would be an interesting exercize to list your accomplishments and compare them to his though.
For example I think your ability to belittle and deride the work of people you hate is much greater then his. Your posts in this thread prove that.
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I agree with you but...
I have started to believe that the proof is in the pudding. I don't know lisp but I know some zope. Zope much like lisp is elegant, innovative, comprehensive, well designed and capabable of almost anything. Just like you probably scratch your head and wonder why people code in PHP or java when they could code in lisp I wonder why people code in PHP or java when they could have used zope and python.
But I am ready to give that up. I am now under the imression that zope isn't everything I thought it was. I mean if zope is so great then how come there are only three or four blogs written for it and not one of them is 1/10th as good as wordpress which is written in PHP? How come not one ticket tracker written in zope is 1/10th as good as eventum written in php?
I ask those questions rhetorically though. I know the answer. The answer is that zope if very hard. You have to be a very smart and very dedicated person to climb the ladder of zope and attain zope zen and there are just not enough people in this world that are willing to put forth that much effort.
In the end it's better to be easy then to be good. Look at how gracefully ruby balances on that rope. ROR is easy and it's innovative. That's why great software is being written in rails while the zope folks are pounding on zope3 trying to make it easier for developers to write decent software.
BTW I am not even going to attempt to learn zope3. I have to break up with zope. Thanks for the great times guys.
"Computing and innovation exists beyond, end user touchable features. Complex code and the mathematics behind them are 'innovations' from an intellecutal standpoint and are 'new' ways of doing things. I'm sorry you don't hold the same definition."
Innovation by definition is something new. Something out of the ordinary. Something other people haven't thought of. If all MS has gotten out of it's research team for the last five years is speech recognition, database indexing, and a re-done XUL then they have wasted their money.
By your definition there is more innovation in postgres when SQL server.
"But hey, MS just copies stuff in your world right?"
Yes. And you have failed to mention even one thing that they didn't. Bold? You came out with bold? LOL
"Umm, RMS's smug demeanor and obsessive behavior about things like naming conventions piss off a lot of people. "
So it's your opinion that smug demeanor and obsessive behavior about naming conventions undoes every good thing he does and causes you to hate him. When you take into account his entire lifes work you decide that on the whole his smugness and obsession undoes every good thing he has ever done and tips the scales in your eyes to being a figure to be hated and despised.
"Not sure if you've noticed, but he's generally not well liked on Slashdot. "
Yes I have noticed. I am curious as to why so many people hate him so much given that he has built FSF and works so tirelessly on behalf of software freedom.
"If he's not even well-liked here among his own constituency, well, doesn't bode well for his role as a figurehead, regardless of what you may think of his ideals."
I don't think the/. crowd is his constituency. They tend to be the whiners and not the coders. The coders are his constituency. Not to mention the amazing amount of astro turfing that goes on here. Certainly RMS is on the hitlist of MS and other propritary software makers.
Please don't interject actual facts into this conversation. RMS was mentioned in the summary so this is a great opportunity for/. users to express their hatred of the man by telling the world how he is a madman who does not take showers.
SO when the dailai lama meets the president he should be wearing a suit? When the prince of Saudi Arabia meets the president he should be wearing a suit? Ghandi and mother Teresa should have been walking around in suits?
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There is no need to sell me on a mac or windows or linux. I have three (yes three) macs. Two mac minis and a powermac. I used to have a powerbook too but it died and they wanted over a thousand dollars to fix it so I threw it away. The warranty was expired and I had it serviced four times while it was under the warranty so I swore I would never buy a mac laptop again. I replaced it with a dell which is running ubuntu just fine thank you.
In addition to the macs I have two computers running windows (both dells) and of course I use windows at work all day long.
Of all the OSes I use every day my favorite is Linux. Not because of ideology because it gets the job I want done and it gets out of my way. No I don't need photoshop. I have never used it, I have never needed to use it. I am not an artist, I can't draw, I don't care. I have every single database server on the planet running on one machine or another but I don't have any program other then paint or whatever comes with the OS. That's what I do, I like databases, I like programming.
I have never needed to steal any software because linux has everything I need. It works with my digital camera, it works with my printers, it works with my treo, it just works for me.
I am just trying to help you that's all. If you are happy merely pissing on RMS on slashdot then more power to you. It just seems to me that pissing on RMS here is really not all that kewl. I mean you are just a part of the herd here.
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Clearly your powers to deride the works of others is going to waste here on
"If you make serious judgments about other people based on their platform, you're an idiot."
Nonsense. Your choices say a lot about you. Your choice in music, films, clothes, politicians, news channels and yes your operating system too. That's a big componenent of how we judge people. If somebody is fat, had a dirty beard, wears tatoos and rides a harley they that says something about him. If somebody is clean cut, has no tatoos and rides around in a scooter it says something else.
I told you why I use Linux and I said nothing about ideology. Linux gets out of my way and lets me do the job I want to do. Once it's set up I pretty nuch never have to touch it again. It just works. I also have a mac but to me the mac is a toy. I use it as a toy. It's fun sometimes but when I am on it I miss my linux box. That's because I have my linux box tweaked to serve me, to meet my needs, to please my wants, to cater to my quirks of working. I am unable to do that with the Mac or windows. That's why I like linux, it pleases me.
Sure the Mac is a hundred times better then windows. And yes the mac does have better wireless support. On the other hand I think the finder is an abomination, I think the minimize/maximize on windows is just annoying, the GUI is too slow, I can't get the mouse speed up to a speed I like (I like a very fast mouse), it won't work my HP laserjet 3100, I can't stand darwinports or fink, X-11 on mac is an horrid thing, and asterisk sucks on it.
All of that has nothing to do with ideology. I actually like the way linux looks and works. Yes better then the mac. Maybe that's because I have never felt the need to use photoshop (even though I hear it works under wine).
Does MS even write drivers? I was under the impression that the drivers were written by the manufacturers who then paid MS to include it in the OS.
I am not suggesting that you are looking for attention (clearly you are not). I am suggesting that giving the finger to RMS from your mothers basement probably isn't all that fulfilling. If you really want to piss on RMS I suggest you do something (other then post on slashdot of course) so that he will want an audience with you and then you can piss on him for real!. You can post his email on the web and your reply which of course will be a rejection letter ending with "IN YOUR FACE MUTHAFUCKA!".
All you have to do is to write a C compiler or start a non profit and give lectures and write articles and easy shit like that. Anybody can do that stuff, it's not like it's an accomplishment or anything.
M$ should pay them to include the search engine. That would help everybody.
To be honest I don't know why M$ would want their search engine listed in a communist web browser anyway.
Me I like the fact that I don't have to type in a 32 character key code when I re-install. That's just one thing. I also LOVE the fact things don't constantly pop up out of the taskbar with useless messages and interrrupt my flow, multipe desktops, and a dozens of other features too but that's just me.
To me linux "just works". Stays out of my way, doesn't tell me what do to, doesn't pretend it's smarter then me, doesn't do things behind my back, doesn't interrupt me when I am thinking.
You know I have been thinking about your problem.
Here you are pissing on RMS on slashdot like all the other 17 year olds but I imagine this does not really give a feeling of satisfaction. I mean all the kool kids piss on RMS here and lets face it he probably hasn't read your posts about him anyway. I am sure this must leave you with some feeling of inadequecy and frustration. I mean what's the use of pissing on somebody when they are not even there!.
He is my suggestion. I suggest you do something. I don't mean pissing on people here, I mean something significant. So significant that RMS will seek an audience with you. At that point you can publicly reject him!. Now THAT would be really pissing on RMS!. You can end your letter with "IN YOUR FACE MUTHAFUCKA!".
What do you think? Here a couple of suggestions. You can write a really cool compiler, you can write a really great editor, you can start a non profit foundation and run it, you could give lectures, you could write lots of articles and get them published all over the world. You know simple stupid shit like that. Anybody can do that kind of stuff.
I eagerly await the fruits of your efforts. Let's face it giving the finger to RMS from your mothers basement can't be all that rewarding.
LOL Level 2 support!. You are only three days from a solution now my boy!. Thanks for holding on line for three hours and talking to first level support for two. Aren't you glad you rebooted that server five times already because the level 1 support would not deviate from their script?
Well I am still waiting for that list of accomplishments. You can put "the ability to deride the works of others" on the top if you want.
Gee I have all this money what should I do?
Should I start my own business? Should I feed the poor? Should I start a non profit? Should I donate time to a worthy cause?
Naah. Screw that. I will be a paid shill for the richest man in the world!
Well my point is that you judge the tool by the products you build with it. A beautiful tool is just art if it's not capable of being used to build great things.
Zope is beautiful, from what little I have seen lisp is beautiful. Alas at this point I am convinced that they are just art.
Once again I commend you on your ability to belittle and deride the works of others. You are clearly a master at this long lost art. Did you ever make that lists of accomplishments by the way?
No I haven't. Could you maybe post an email of him requesting an audience with you or scan the letter you recieved where he is asking for an audience with you?
Thanks.
Once again feel free to minimize his accomplishments if it makes you feel better. It would be an interesting exercize to list your accomplishments and compare them to his though.
For example I think your ability to belittle and deride the work of people you hate is much greater then his. Your posts in this thread prove that.
You do that shillboy.
I agree with you but...
I have started to believe that the proof is in the pudding. I don't know lisp but I know some zope. Zope much like lisp is elegant, innovative, comprehensive, well designed and capabable of almost anything. Just like you probably scratch your head and wonder why people code in PHP or java when they could code in lisp I wonder why people code in PHP or java when they could have used zope and python.
But I am ready to give that up. I am now under the imression that zope isn't everything I thought it was. I mean if zope is so great then how come there are only three or four blogs written for it and not one of them is 1/10th as good as wordpress which is written in PHP? How come not one ticket tracker written in zope is 1/10th as good as eventum written in php?
I ask those questions rhetorically though. I know the answer. The answer is that zope if very hard. You have to be a very smart and very dedicated person to climb the ladder of zope and attain zope zen and there are just not enough people in this world that are willing to put forth that much effort.
In the end it's better to be easy then to be good. Look at how gracefully ruby balances on that rope. ROR is easy and it's innovative. That's why great software is being written in rails while the zope folks are pounding on zope3 trying to make it easier for developers to write decent software.
BTW I am not even going to attempt to learn zope3. I have to break up with zope. Thanks for the great times guys.
"That is a major exaggeration. A lot of people built the FSF."
I suppose it makes you feel better to minimize his efforts. You still haven't answered any of my points though.
"Computing and innovation exists beyond, end user touchable features. Complex code and the mathematics behind them are 'innovations' from an intellecutal standpoint and are 'new' ways of doing things. I'm sorry you don't hold the same definition."
Innovation by definition is something new. Something out of the ordinary. Something other people haven't thought of. If all MS has gotten out of it's research team for the last five years is speech recognition, database indexing, and a re-done XUL then they have wasted their money.
By your definition there is more innovation in postgres when SQL server.
"But hey, MS just copies stuff in your world right?"
Yes. And you have failed to mention even one thing that they didn't. Bold? You came out with bold? LOL
I don't think he is looking for an audience with you but hey maybe one day he will and you can turn him down. That would show him!
"Umm, RMS's smug demeanor and obsessive behavior about things like naming conventions piss off a lot of people. "
/. crowd is his constituency. They tend to be the whiners and not the coders. The coders are his constituency. Not to mention the amazing amount of astro turfing that goes on here. Certainly RMS is on the hitlist of MS and other propritary software makers.
So it's your opinion that smug demeanor and obsessive behavior about naming conventions undoes every good thing he does and causes you to hate him. When you take into account his entire lifes work you decide that on the whole his smugness and obsession undoes every good thing he has ever done and tips the scales in your eyes to being a figure to be hated and despised.
"Not sure if you've noticed, but he's generally not well liked on Slashdot. "
Yes I have noticed. I am curious as to why so many people hate him so much given that he has built FSF and works so tirelessly on behalf of software freedom.
"If he's not even well-liked here among his own constituency, well, doesn't bode well for his role as a figurehead, regardless of what you may think of his ideals."
I don't think the
Please don't interject actual facts into this conversation. RMS was mentioned in the summary so this is a great opportunity for /. users to express their hatred of the man by telling the world how he is a madman who does not take showers.
"Umm... No. I fully support anyone who chooses not to meet with RMS, for whatever reason they choose."
Why? What is it about RMS that makes you so angry?
To be fair you are talking about slashdot. Slashdots hates RMS. I don't mean dislike I mean hate with a passion.
/. users.
Yes I know slashdot is not a person but that's the view of the majority of
SO when the dailai lama meets the president he should be wearing a suit? When the prince of Saudi Arabia meets the president he should be wearing a suit? Ghandi and mother Teresa should have been walking around in suits?