How about Cygus/RH's Code Fusion? What is it's underlying compiler and how does it compare to commercial x86 compilers like VC++ ? It claims to be "pentium optimized".
But its not *free*. That's the problem. It is gratis, but without the source it's just the worst of both worlds. Like piracy, it encourages people to stick with closed proprietary systems rather than moving to something better and above board. As someone already said, I'd rather pay for something that was truly *free* than get closed binaries gratis.
Does anyone else think that it is interresting that the number 10 comes up in so many facets of human anatomy and physiology? Ten fingers, ten toes, hearing and brightness sensitivity on a log10 scale. Probably coincidental, but interresting. Anyone know how close to true log10 these senses are? Also I would be curious about any info on the sensitivity curve for other senses.
You obviously have never faced real depression. First of all, your arguments assume that the person in question still gives a damn. This is the first place you miss the boat. When you're really depressed, you don't care. Otherwise you wouldn't be depressed. (BTW, I am speaking as one who has battled chronic, albeit mild, depression all my life.) When I sink into a depression, excercise is the first casualty and you caqn harp at me about how much it would help till the cows come home and I would simply blow you off. What's more, I gave up TV years ago, I walk 3-6 miles/day (normally, but not always), gave up the newspaper before I gave up TV, and I do play a couple of musical instruments. I really can't imagine why I would want to change my career from "Unix Troubleshooter" to anything else, and I could stretch things a bit and call reading SlashDot a study of bizarre and distant culture. And I *STILL* get depressed, even when I see, on a rational level, that there is really nothing to be depressed about. There are lots of people who would love to be where I am, just not me.
I get the definite impression that you don't really speak from any sort of experience when you criticize antidepressants. Well, I can understand that since the newer antidepressants are widely misunderstood. Let me describe the effect, but first let me say that my experience relates to Wellbutrin (bupropion hcl) which is a serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, similar to Prozac.
The first day or two some people experience a minor degree of insomnia. I have never experienced this. Otherwise, nothing. After about a week, one may notice a very subtle change in attitude. What I notice is that I'm smiling more. I notice that my situation has remained basically the same, but I just feel better about things. I see that there was really nothing to have been so depressed about (Why was I so down?). This is all very oversimplified, of course. The effect is quite subtle, and there are still periods of depression. After a couple of weeks, the effect is about the same, qualitatively, but stronger. I find that I am interested in getting back into things like exercise and exploring the wonders of AWK.;-) I'm more interested in dealing with the problems that I invariably let stack up during a depression (very often I gain 2-3 lbs during my dark periods which must be lost ASAP once my vanity has kicked back in {did I also mention I'm approaching the dreaded mid-life crisis and am very vain?;-}) In short, this haze of drugs you speak of is fiction. Now, to be honest, you may be thinking of the older tricyclics and MAO inhibitors (amitryptiline, et. al.) I have tangential experience with them, and from what I gather, "drug induced haze" is an accurate description of their side effects, though with these you tend to get strong side effects at first, with no main effect, followed by a drastic reduction in side effects over the next 2 weeks, accompanied by the onset of the main effect. Many discontinue long before that since the side effects tend to be rather "zombifying".
But back to bupropion, the anti-depressed me is a more rational me. The drug makes very subtle and slow to be felt differences that let me then at least care enough to do other things to pick my self up, go on, and be happy. I hope I don't offend by making the observation that no one who has not been through irrational depressions has any right to try to speak authoritatively about what those who have faced it should do. Think about it. If the answer were that easy, you're not the only one that would ever have thought of it. We're not stupid. Well, no more than anyone else, anyway.;-)
Are you sure about that? I have been using halogens for years and the light doesn't look like that. These things look more like mercury vapor. Distictly blue and look suspiciously monochromatic.
Glad to hear that you are happy with Linux. Believe me, Linux users here in the US are just as unhappy with Windows as you are. Linux was started by Linus but modern Linux is the product of people from the US, Europe, and all around the globe cooperating with a common purpose. A minority of us are developers. Most of us are advocates or implementors. We need to cooperate, too. Us vs. Them will not help anyone. That said, I should say that if the situation were reversed, and the OS running 90%+ of our machines were produced in Europe, the general US public would surely have a much more negative view of the maker of the OS than they do of MS. Overall, though, I think that the views of the Linux advocates would be about the same.
BTW, this is hideously off-topic and it won't insult me one bit to be moderated accordingly.
What's the difference between a message board and web content? Both are under the direct control of the subscriber and there is no reason that someone could not change web content as often as they sent an email or posted to a message board. How does a large internet provider police this? It doesn't seem reasonable to make the ISP's/Hosting Services responsible, though I can see the argument for it. And if they are held accountable, wouldn't they have to adopt a very conservative policy. This would lead to censorship.
The problem with VMWare is that you still need Windows. (Does it have to be NT?) So perhaps they could cut a deal with MS to include a copy of windows in each RH box? I don't think so.;-) Supporting the Wine project would be a much better move. BTW, if they did buy VMWare, you can bet that they would open source everything that they had the rights to.
>"but he only does that when he has some sort of weak reasoning for it belonging here"
OK. "Young Frankenstein" is the story of a man discovering how to create life, and how to deal with the consequences of doing so. i.e. It's science fiction with an admittedly comedic bent (actually, it's hilarious). Madeline Kahn was his fiancee' in the movie. This is one of her best known roles.
Well put. This (my post) is basically a "me too" post, which I usually frown upon, but I also look upon it as a sort of vote. I have been reading SlashDot for a couple of years and it has become quite apparent that it has become dangerous, like a loaded gun pointed at random. I used to read SlashDot for serious Linux news. Now I use linuxtoday.com for that and I view SlashDot as a sort of Jerry Springer Show 'Focus on Linux Edition'. It would be well for the Linux community in general to start distancing itself from SlashDot. To be fair, I should say that SlashDot still posts some pretty good stories, and interesting info. But It's getting hard to take a significant portion of the clientelle seriously. Unfortunately, my refusal to take them seriously does not assuage the damage done by this vocal minority, or the damage done to the very causes we try to support. How does that song go? "We always hurt the ones we love"?
I was concerned about Mandrake compiling their whole ditribution with pgcc, and particularly the kernel. (There are known to be problems with pgcc and the kernel, but even the pgcc people don't clain to know all possible problems) and MDK is compiled with options which are a bit "fancy", too.) I have used RH for years but picked up MDK6.0 and have tried it on 3 machines. On one, the ide-tape oopsed immmediatedly (and didn't work) every time I tried to access it. I installed RH6.0 and it was fine. ( I even switched back and forth a few times and it was quite reproducable.) The second and third machines fsck sometimes on boot up (even after a normal shutdown) and give lots of fsck messages (more than normal even after a crash) and a substantial number of files get lost. I have monitored alt.os.linux.mandrake and see pretty much the same kinds of problems you would have with a normal stable distribution and people seem generally to be happy enough with it. So I am interested in some of the comments posted here. I really like most of there enhancements but even if pgcc is not the problem in any particular case, it still is another variable to be ruled out any time you have a problem. And honestly, for what? Even the pgcc people say that the speed up is usually only about 5% (I generally observe a bit less) and that only for processor intensive stuff. Plus it doesn't run on anything that doesn't support the pentium instruction set (i.e. not 486 or 386) although I have heard that in practice that is not true. The Mandrake people say it won't anyway. Constructive comments are most appreciated.
I am very concerned (and frankly disgusted) anytime I see it advocated that we use (i.e. abuse) the so-called slashdot effect "for our advantage". Slashdot is fast becoming an ugly mob. This does Linux no good in the long run. It does Linux no good in the short run, either. It just makes us look like children, because *WE ARE BEHAVING* like petulant children. Please, people, *THINK* before you do something that can be presented to the world and show us up as the wild hot heads that Mindcraft and others would like the world to see us as.
The world has been going "to hell in a handbasket" for at least 2000 years now, as nearly as I can tell from histories. It's not that no one is stepping forward to "fill their shoes"; It is that we are not recognizing those who do... The hard thing about getting older is that we don't realize that we are doing it. We do indeed get less flexible but we don't want to admit it... Look to the open-source/free-software movement and there are plenty of heroes left... (All flawed, of course, but that is integral to being human.)
Here, here for Asimov, Sagan, Kelly! I miss them so very much. Asimov wrote enough in his lifetime, though, that I'm *still* trying to catch up. (It's almost as though he never left...) Sagan was not so prolific, but 'Contact' was golden and seti@home serves to remind me of him often. I'll have to go back and review the STTOS reruns on tape for McCoy. None of the later Star Trek series' captured my heart like the original, for all the *very good* arguments that can be made for them. TNG was much better in so many ways but it lacked a certain *magic* that the original had, hokey as it (TOS) seemed at (*many*) times. I was not really ready for this one. Persis Khambatta's death got my attention ({Ilia} she was so young, in her 50's, I think...) but DeForest Kelley was someone that, in retrospect, I guess I thought would live forever, or out least would outlive *me*. On the bright side, he did ST VI just 7 years ago. We've all got to die sometime, and I would very much prefer spending the majority of my life doing what I enjoy, and not spend decades fading away...
Remember, we have not heard anything at all from "the who caused Raster to quit". In recent releases of Enlightenment, we have seen cool new features, like ripples, but still, when you "available space maximize" a window it slips over/under the Gnome panel. There seems to be *no* real documentation for Enlightenment's config files. RedHat was paying him for working on this and there are room for complaints. And as an Enlightenment/Gnome user, I feel a bit neglected here. I didn't need ripples. I do need true Gnome compliance in Enlightenment.
Yes, the shuttle pod scene is still thrilling. The Enterprise from that movie was sleek and, well, just plain gorgeous. Especially befoer they painted it white, in the later films. They used a much larger and more detailed model in that one than in the later movies. They said it was just too difficult and expensive to work with. STTMP cost $40 million which set a record in 1979.
Back before we found out more about the Borg origins, I wondered if they might be connected to V'Ger/Ilia/Decker. Think about it this way. Voyager was enhanced and sent back to us by a planet on the far side of the galaxy populated by living machines. On it's way back it collected so much knowlwdge that it "achieved consciousness itself". It then merged with Decker (and presumably Ilia as well) and with great fanfare became "something else" and vanished from the seen and at the end everyone was making comments about a new kind of life form and "It's been a long time since I delivered a baby. I hope we got this one off to a good start. (McCoy)" Then 75 years later, a new kind of life form shows up from the far side of the galaxy; One which seems an odd blend of human and machine. I think that this was really a missed opportunity to tie everything together in an interesting way. The Borg queen actually did look a bit like Ilia, too.
The original motion picture was the best. It was boring to most people, and I can understand why. But it was technically accurate, and if they said that it would take x hours to get to y on impulse power, you could do the math and find it was right. Isaac Asimov (another of my dear departed heroes) was the "science advisor" for STTMP. Take a look at it today. It's special effects still look cool and hold their own in comparison with modern science fiction films. "#2 The Wrath of Kahn" was my next favorite. People liked it for the action. It was less technically accurate but it was good. The movies went downhill from there. #3 (The Search for Spock) was good. #4 (The Journey Home) was bad but kind of grew on me later (too much comic relief). Does anyone at all like #5? (The one with Spock's long lost brother hi-jacking the Enterprise and searching for God, and directed by Shatner.) I hoped that they would call a halt with #5, but they surprised me very pleasantly with #6. Star Trek VI, "The Undiscovered Country" was clasic Star Trek, trying to make a difference. It was mostly devoid of the comic relief that the preceding 2 movies were more or less bathed in. It made me proud of the original cast. I'm proud of them for calling it quits there. (Well, Shatner couldn't quite keep from starring in "Generations" but that's his problem.
Err, in addition to what others have said, user Cindy could pick up a virus or trojan horse (though not as easily as on windows) and Cindy might just lose her files. Poor Cindy. But Bob, Freda and Joline are still fine because Cindy didn't have permission to delete their files. Root will just have to go back and restore Cindy's files. Root doesn't download strange things and execute them as root, because root is smart.
I guess I missed that one. Must be interesting working at a company so powerful that taking legal action against another company has been reduced to a clerical function. Maybe it was a temp...;-)
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How about Cygus/RH's Code Fusion? What is it's underlying compiler and how does it compare to commercial x86 compilers like VC++ ? It claims to be "pentium optimized".
-Steve
But its not *free*. That's the problem. It is gratis, but without the source it's just the worst of both worlds. Like piracy, it encourages people to stick with closed proprietary systems rather than moving to something better and above board. As someone already said, I'd rather pay for something that was truly *free* than get closed binaries gratis.
-Steve
No. All the Quake series is written in "C".
-Steve
Apologies to all for contributing to a thread drifting so far off-topic, but what exactly do you mean by that?
I didn't really intend to post anonymously earlier.
I'm at steve@netplus.net
-Steve Bergman
Does anyone else think that it is interresting that the number 10 comes up in so many facets of human anatomy and physiology? Ten fingers, ten toes, hearing and brightness sensitivity on a log10 scale. Probably coincidental, but interresting. Anyone know how close to true log10 these senses are? Also I would be curious about any info on the sensitivity curve for other senses.
-Steve
You obviously have never faced real depression. First of all, your arguments assume that the person in question still gives a damn. This is the first place you miss the boat. When you're really depressed, you don't care. Otherwise you wouldn't be depressed. (BTW, I am speaking as one who has battled chronic, albeit mild, depression all my life.) When I sink into a depression, excercise is the first casualty and you caqn harp at me about how much it would help till the cows come home and I would simply blow you off. What's more, I gave up TV years ago, I walk 3-6 miles/day (normally, but not always), gave up the newspaper before I gave up TV, and I do play a couple of musical instruments. I really can't imagine why I would want to change my career from "Unix Troubleshooter" to anything else, and I could stretch things a bit and call reading SlashDot a study of bizarre and distant culture. And I *STILL* get depressed, even when I see, on a rational level, that there is really nothing to be depressed about. There are lots of people who would love to be where I am, just not me.
;-) I'm more interested in dealing with the problems that I invariably let stack up during a depression (very often I gain 2-3 lbs during my dark periods which must be lost ASAP once my vanity has kicked back in {did I also mention I'm approaching the dreaded mid-life crisis and am very vain? ;-}) In short, this haze of drugs you speak of is fiction. Now, to be honest, you may be thinking of the older tricyclics and MAO inhibitors (amitryptiline, et. al.) I have tangential experience with them, and from what I gather, "drug induced haze" is an accurate description of their side effects, though with these you tend to get strong side effects at first, with no main effect, followed by a drastic reduction in side effects over the next 2 weeks, accompanied by the onset of the main effect. Many discontinue long before that since the side effects tend to be rather "zombifying".
;-)
I get the definite impression that you don't really speak from any sort of experience when you criticize antidepressants. Well, I can understand that since the newer antidepressants are widely misunderstood. Let me describe the effect, but first let me say that my experience relates to Wellbutrin (bupropion hcl) which is a serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, similar to Prozac.
The first day or two some people experience a minor degree of insomnia. I have never experienced this. Otherwise, nothing. After about a week, one may notice a very subtle change in attitude. What I notice is that I'm smiling more. I notice that my situation has remained basically the same, but I just feel better about things. I see that there was really nothing to have been so depressed about (Why was I so down?). This is all very oversimplified, of course. The effect is quite subtle, and there are still periods of depression. After a couple of weeks, the effect is about the same, qualitatively, but stronger. I find that I am interested in getting back into things like exercise and exploring the wonders of AWK.
But back to bupropion, the anti-depressed me is a more rational me. The drug makes very subtle and slow to be felt differences that let me then at least care enough to do other things to pick my self up, go on, and be happy. I hope I don't offend by making the observation that no one who has not been through irrational depressions has any right to try to speak authoritatively about what those who have faced it should do. Think about it. If the answer were that easy, you're not the only one that would ever have thought of it. We're not stupid. Well, no more than anyone else, anyway.
-Steve Bergman
Are you sure about that? I have been using halogens for years and the light doesn't look like that. These things look more like mercury vapor. Distictly blue and look suspiciously monochromatic.
Glad to hear that you are happy with Linux. Believe me, Linux users here in the US are just as unhappy with Windows as you are. Linux was started by Linus but modern Linux is the product of people from the US, Europe, and all around the globe cooperating with a common purpose. A minority of us are developers. Most of us are advocates or implementors. We need to cooperate, too. Us vs. Them will not help anyone. That said, I should say that if the situation were reversed, and the OS running 90%+ of our machines were produced in Europe, the general US public would surely have a much more negative view of the maker of the OS than they do of MS. Overall, though, I think that the views of the Linux advocates would be about the same.
BTW, this is hideously off-topic and it won't insult me one bit to be moderated accordingly.
-Steve Bergman
Oklahoma City, OK USA
What's the difference between a message board and web content? Both are under the direct control of the subscriber and there is no reason that someone could not change web content as often as they sent an email or posted to a message board. How does a large internet provider police this? It doesn't seem reasonable to make the ISP's/Hosting Services responsible, though I can see the argument for it. And if they are held accountable, wouldn't they have to adopt a very conservative policy. This would lead to censorship.
The problem with VMWare is that you still need Windows. (Does it have to be NT?) So perhaps they could cut a deal with MS to include a copy of windows in each RH box? I don't think so. ;-) Supporting the Wine project would be a much better move. BTW, if they did buy VMWare, you can bet that they would open source everything that they had the rights to.
>"but he only does that when he has some sort of weak reasoning for it belonging here"
OK. "Young Frankenstein" is the story of a man discovering how to create life, and how to deal with the consequences of doing so. i.e. It's science fiction with an admittedly comedic bent (actually, it's hilarious). Madeline Kahn was his fiancee' in the movie. This is one of her best known roles.
Well put. This (my post) is basically a "me too" post, which I usually frown upon, but I also look upon it as a sort of vote. I have been reading SlashDot for a couple of years and it has become quite apparent that it has become dangerous, like a loaded gun pointed at random. I used to read SlashDot for serious Linux news. Now I use linuxtoday.com for that and I view SlashDot as a sort of Jerry Springer Show 'Focus on Linux Edition'. It would be well for the Linux community in general to start distancing itself from SlashDot. To be fair, I should say that SlashDot still posts some pretty good stories, and interesting info. But It's getting hard to take a significant portion of the clientelle seriously. Unfortunately, my refusal to take them seriously does not assuage the damage done by this vocal minority, or the damage done to the very causes we try to support. How does that song go? "We always hurt the ones we love"?
-Steve Bergman
I was concerned about Mandrake compiling their whole ditribution with pgcc, and particularly the kernel. (There are known to be problems with pgcc and the kernel, but even the pgcc people don't clain to know all possible problems) and MDK is compiled with options which are a bit "fancy", too.) I have used RH for years but picked up MDK6.0 and have tried it on 3 machines. On one, the ide-tape oopsed immmediatedly (and didn't work) every time I tried to access it. I installed RH6.0 and it was fine. ( I even switched back and forth a few times and it was quite reproducable.) The second and third machines fsck sometimes on boot up (even after a normal shutdown) and give lots of fsck messages (more than normal even after a crash) and a substantial number of files get lost. I have monitored alt.os.linux.mandrake and see pretty much the same kinds of problems you would have with a normal stable distribution and people seem generally to be happy enough with it. So I am interested in some of the comments posted here. I really like most of there enhancements but even if pgcc is not the problem in any particular case, it still is another variable to be ruled out any time you have a problem. And honestly, for what? Even the pgcc people say that the speed up is usually only about 5% (I generally observe a bit less) and that only for processor intensive stuff. Plus it doesn't run on anything that doesn't support the pentium instruction set (i.e. not 486 or 386) although I have heard that in practice that is not true. The Mandrake people say it won't anyway. Constructive comments are most appreciated.
Hmmm... Both nameservers for that domain appear to be inaccessible. :-)
Can anyone post the ip address of the www host?
-Steve
Debian is not a company. It is a non-profit organization.
I am very concerned (and frankly disgusted) anytime I see it advocated that we use (i.e. abuse) the so-called slashdot effect "for our advantage". Slashdot is fast becoming an ugly mob. This does Linux no good in the long run. It does Linux no good in the short run, either. It just makes us look like children, because *WE ARE BEHAVING* like petulant children. Please, people, *THINK* before you do something that can be presented to the world and show us up as the wild hot heads that Mindcraft and others would like the world to see us as.
The world has been going "to hell in a handbasket" for at least 2000 years now, as nearly as I can tell from histories. It's not that no one is stepping forward to "fill their shoes"; It is that we are not recognizing those who do... The hard thing about getting older is that we don't realize that we are doing it. We do indeed get less flexible but we don't want to admit it... Look to the open-source/free-software movement and there are plenty of heroes left... (All flawed, of course, but that is integral to being human.)
-Steve
Here, here for Asimov, Sagan, Kelly! I miss them so very much. Asimov wrote enough in his lifetime, though, that I'm *still* trying to catch up. (It's almost as though he never left...) Sagan was not so prolific, but 'Contact' was golden and seti@home serves to remind me of him often. I'll have to go back and review the STTOS reruns on tape for McCoy. None of the later Star Trek series' captured my heart like the original, for all the *very good* arguments that can be made for them. TNG was much better in so many ways but it lacked a certain *magic* that the original had, hokey as it (TOS) seemed at (*many*) times. I was not really ready for this one. Persis Khambatta's death got my attention ({Ilia} she was so young, in her 50's, I think...) but DeForest Kelley was someone that, in retrospect, I guess I thought would live forever, or out least would outlive *me*. On the bright side, he did ST VI just 7 years ago. We've all got to die sometime, and I would very much prefer spending the majority of my life doing what I enjoy, and not spend decades fading away...
-Steve
Remember, we have not heard anything at all from "the who caused Raster to quit". In recent releases of Enlightenment, we have seen cool new features, like ripples, but still, when you "available space maximize" a window it slips over/under the Gnome panel. There seems to be *no* real documentation for Enlightenment's config files. RedHat was paying him for working on this and there are room for complaints. And as an Enlightenment/Gnome user, I feel a bit neglected here. I didn't need ripples. I do need true Gnome compliance in Enlightenment.
Yes, the shuttle pod scene is still thrilling. The Enterprise from that movie was sleek and, well, just plain gorgeous. Especially befoer they painted it white, in the later films. They used a much larger and more detailed model in that one than in the later movies. They said it was just too difficult and expensive to work with. STTMP cost $40 million which set a record in 1979.
Back before we found out more about the Borg origins, I wondered if they might be connected to V'Ger/Ilia/Decker. Think about it this way. Voyager was enhanced and sent back to us by a planet on the far side of the galaxy populated by living machines. On it's way back it collected so much knowlwdge that it "achieved consciousness itself". It then merged with Decker (and presumably Ilia as well) and with great fanfare became "something else" and vanished from the seen and at the end everyone was making comments about a new kind of life form and "It's been a long time since I delivered a baby. I hope we got this one off to a good start. (McCoy)" Then 75 years later, a new kind of life form shows up from the far side of the galaxy; One which seems an odd blend of human and machine. I think that this was really a missed opportunity to tie everything together in an interesting way. The Borg queen actually did look a bit like Ilia, too.
-Steve
The original motion picture was the best. It was boring to most people, and I can understand why. But it was technically accurate, and if they said that it would take x hours to get to y on impulse power, you could do the math and find it was right. Isaac Asimov (another of my dear departed heroes) was the "science advisor" for STTMP. Take a look at it today. It's special effects still look cool and hold their own in comparison with modern science fiction films. "#2 The Wrath of Kahn" was my next favorite. People liked it for the action. It was less technically accurate but it was good. The movies went downhill from there. #3 (The Search for Spock) was good. #4 (The Journey Home) was bad but kind of grew on me later (too much comic relief). Does anyone at all like #5? (The one with Spock's long lost brother hi-jacking the Enterprise and searching for God, and directed by Shatner.) I hoped that they would call a halt with #5, but they surprised me very pleasantly with #6. Star Trek VI, "The Undiscovered Country" was clasic Star Trek, trying to make a difference. It was mostly devoid of the comic relief that the preceding 2 movies were more or less bathed in. It made me proud of the original cast. I'm proud of them for calling it quits there. (Well, Shatner couldn't quite keep from starring in "Generations" but that's his problem.
Thanks, Dee!
Steve Bergman
Err, in addition to what others have said, user Cindy could pick up a virus or trojan horse (though not as easily as on windows) and Cindy might just lose her files. Poor Cindy. But Bob, Freda and Joline are still fine because Cindy didn't have permission to delete their files. Root will just have to go back and restore Cindy's files. Root doesn't download strange things and execute them as root, because root is smart.
I guess I missed that one. Must be interesting working at a company so powerful that taking legal action against another company has been reduced to a clerical function. Maybe it was a temp... ;-)
-Steve
> Who on earth wants to use crappy IDE's anyway?
.plan on Linux.
John Carmack? Check out his recent
-Steve