For most of our recorded history we have subjected *other human beings* to ownership and forced labor. All that is needed is a good excuse. This is just the trivial case...
But I see this from time to time and don't know quite what to make of it.
*Why* is FeeeBSD more robust? If there are problems, Linux developers need to hear about it.
*Why* is KDE nicer in FreeBSD?
I'm not sure how many people remember the original series Star Trek episode "Let That Be Your Last Battle Field..." which, as they say, "is the one where" the Enterprise picks up two seperate guys in seperate ships (in the process of blasting the hell out of each other) who are from the same planet (Charon) and who have a bad case of mutual racial hatred, which seems odd because they look almost like twins. As it turns out, one of them has dark skin on the right half of his body and light skin on the left. The other has dark skin on the *left* half and light skin on the *right*. At the end of the episode they both escape to the surface of a planet and proceed to battle each other, presumably for all eternity, but it's a bit unclear and its been a while since I've watched that one.
Sometimes Linux/FreeBSD makes me feel this way. We have 90% of stuff in common. We are both from the planet "Unix" in the "Open-Source" system. From the standpoint of the desktop user, we are both from a small planet in a rather unfashionable arm of the Milkyway galaxy (yes, I'm shamelessly mixing metaphors;-), but property values are getting better everyday. As long as the murder rate on "Unix" stays down, property values should continue to climb.
This is not really in response to the previous post. It started out that way, but ended up a more general rant.
BTW, Linux is the Unix flavor that I use, but I would not mind seeing more FreeBSD hype myself. Walnut Creek CDROM makes a pretty impressive poster child.:-)
The client is not going to know if it found intelligent life. It is going to know that it cranked out some numbers which might be suspicious. The quantitative values would be duely reported and the interesting findings checked again using dedicated telescope time. As far as any announcement, I can't imagine that it would not be reported as at least a possibility. What happens after that I don't know. Carl Sagan's book, "CONTACT" (which I highly recommend) dealt with this issue in a reasonable fashion. The movie was pretty good, too.
I have never understood why they don't make Plus available for Unix/Linux. They will do all the major work to make a free version available, but they won't add the finishing touches (and that really *is* what they are) to make a saleable version. I mentioned the fact that I would be willing to pay for the Plus version and also mentioned winelib in the same email as a way for them to easily sync their Win32/Linux versions and got back a reply asking how much money my origanization (?) would be willing to contribute to the development. Hey, I'm just a home user that would like to be able to pay $29.95 for the detail (but important) additions that make it RealPlayer Plus.
Agreed. It would be a "major project" not a port. My guess is that it would simply run sparc linux binaries. There would be *some* advantage for programs without source available since you would not have to depend upon the vendor deciding to compile for your architecture, but that has not been a big problem for Sun. Intercompatability is a good thing...
So what do we need to do to head off MS's ability to say:
NT beat Linux by a factor of X with the help of Linus Torvalds himself.
Linus has pretty good media coverage and he could use that. This is such a waste of his time. I think that the Salon article was excellent and should be seeded far and wide to the press. Anyone else have observations on that? Also, any ideas on where it would be best to send pointers would be appreciated. I think it's important that the news of their latest plot be aired *before* the results of the tests are released, after which time we'll just sound like we're whining. Perhaps being in the spotlight will make them less bold in publishing their figures, as well.
I'm not sure about pricing (which was the original concern) but (Stong)ARM is now Intel. Power reqirements would make any other Intel chip unsuitable, though maybe not for the toaster, if you upgrade your breakers a bit.;-)
Yes, that was my first thought. But doesn't the idea of statically linking libs that are included by default in Windows strike you as odd? I should mention that the download includes lot's of libs. Perhaps some of the libs implement windows calls. But which ones? It just seems strange.
Why is the linux binary so much larger than the win32 binary and for that matter I noticed that the win32 binary went from 2.0MB to 2.5MB in just one day.
I'm sending you this email privately so as not to overload www.slashdot.com. I think your story was really funny. I had the same thing happen to me just last week. The power went out and it took me the longest time to figure out why my recompile of glibc-2.0.7 didn't seem to be getting anywhere. I finally realized, and after about 20 minutes the power came back on and the compile finished up with only minor warnings about my checking to see that the power cable was securely plugged in (and a few 'blah' may be used unititialized warnings). I'm using kernel 2.2.3. with the apm module enabled. Anyway, thanks again.
Well, this is getting embarrasing. Slashdot is eating the "less than" character that should be between the "-p1" and the "/whatever". Probably interpreting it as an HTML tag delimiter.
You do realize that you can just download patch-2.2.3.gz, uncompress it, and then "cd" to your "linux" dir and do:
patch -p1/whatever/patch-2.2.3
to update your existing kernel source?
I only say this because your post makes it sound like you will be downloading the whole thing to replace one of your "two previous versions". Maybe this wil save you time, or maybe I just misread.
Then the programs would have to be good enough and difficult enough to produce that they could not be duplicated by others. They would have to do it without using GPL'ed code. Furthermore, there is no example I can think of in which they have done *anything* like this.
BTW, that reminds me. Anyone know anything of the history/status of Caldera's Netware for Linux? How did it happen? Is it open-source?
I've been using SCO at work for years. I really liked it in a character based/non-networked environment. Now that networking is big, I've found that it really sucks. Now that I've gotten to know Linux, it's very difficult to work with SCO. It just seems so primitive and proprietary. All of these tools that I'm just used to having at my command in Linux I have to go out looking for. And I have to find binaries since SCO doesn't come with a compiler unless you pay extra to buy it. And even if you do, it's not gcc. GCC is available but I've never gotten it to work on SCO. And I've never had much luck getting much of anything to compile with the proprietary native compiler.
BTW, does anyone else think that that article read like a SCO ad? "Sure, I'm open to Linux, once I see a proven track record of support at a reasonable cost" or whatever the exact quote was? SCO support is $200-$300 per incident and in my opinion, not very good.
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>Breeding" is the most important thing humans do - >that's not opinion, that's biology.
>I'm talking about love here, not sex
Interesting juxta-position. This is horribly off-topic, but does intimacy require having children?(!) And what does this really have to do with free/open-source software?
You only pay for the data files. The executables are free from ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com . Just buy the Linux version and get the Windows exe from their site. (Can anyone believe I just said that?;-) )
There is no reason other than that it doesn't cost much more and the boxes will say:
QUAKE III -for Linux
John Carmack is a cool guy. He is running a business and has his eye on the bottom line, as well as the general technical excellence of his games, but he has always had a soft spot for Linux, and any other OS whose developers really care about quality.
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For most of our recorded history we have subjected *other human beings* to ownership and forced labor. All that is needed is a good excuse. This is just the trivial case...
-Steve
First of all, this is not a flame ;-)
;-), but property values are getting better everyday. As long as the murder rate on "Unix" stays down, property values should continue to climb.
:-)
But I see this from time to time and don't know quite what to make of it.
*Why* is FeeeBSD more robust? If there are problems, Linux developers need to hear about it.
*Why* is KDE nicer in FreeBSD?
I'm not sure how many people remember the original series Star Trek episode "Let That Be Your Last Battle Field..." which, as they say, "is the one where" the Enterprise picks up two seperate guys in seperate ships (in the process of blasting the hell out of each other) who are from the same planet (Charon) and who have a bad case of mutual racial hatred, which seems odd because they look almost like twins. As it turns out, one of them has dark skin on the right half of his body and light skin on the left. The other has dark skin on the *left* half and light skin on the *right*. At the end of the episode they both escape to the surface of a planet and proceed to battle each other, presumably for all eternity, but it's a bit unclear and its been a while since I've watched that one.
Sometimes Linux/FreeBSD makes me feel this way. We have 90% of stuff in common. We are both from the planet "Unix" in the "Open-Source" system. From the standpoint of the desktop user, we are both from a small planet in a rather unfashionable arm of the Milkyway galaxy (yes, I'm shamelessly mixing metaphors
This is not really in response to the previous post. It started out that way, but ended up a more general rant.
BTW, Linux is the Unix flavor that I use, but I would not mind seeing more FreeBSD hype myself. Walnut Creek CDROM makes a pretty impressive poster child.
The client is not going to know if it found intelligent life. It is going to know that it cranked out some numbers which might be suspicious. The quantitative values would be duely reported and the interesting findings checked again using dedicated telescope time. As far as any announcement, I can't imagine that it would not be reported as at least a possibility. What happens after that I don't know. Carl Sagan's book, "CONTACT" (which I highly recommend) dealt with this issue in a reasonable fashion. The movie was pretty good, too.
-Steve
I have never understood why they don't make Plus available for Unix/Linux. They will do all the major work to make a free version available, but they won't add the finishing touches (and that really *is* what they are) to make a saleable version. I mentioned the fact that I would be willing to pay for the Plus version and also mentioned winelib in the same email as a way for them to easily sync their Win32/Linux versions and got back a reply asking how much money my origanization (?) would be willing to contribute to the development. Hey, I'm just a home user that would like to be able to pay $29.95 for the detail (but important) additions that make it RealPlayer Plus.
-Steve Bergman
Who is Xerox? ;-)
Agreed. It would be a "major project" not a port. My guess is that it would simply run sparc linux binaries. There would be *some* advantage for programs without source available since you would not have to depend upon the vendor deciding to compile for your architecture, but that has not been a big problem for Sun. Intercompatability is a good thing...
-Steve
So what do we need to do to head off MS's ability to say:
NT beat Linux by a factor of X with the help of Linus Torvalds himself.
Linus has pretty good media coverage and he could use that. This is such a waste of his time. I think that the Salon article was excellent and should be seeded far and wide to the press. Anyone else have observations on that? Also, any ideas on where it would be best to send pointers would be appreciated. I think it's important that the news of their latest plot be aired *before* the results of the tests are released, after which time we'll just sound like we're whining. Perhaps being in the spotlight will make them less bold in publishing their figures, as well.
I'm not sure about pricing (which was the original concern) but (Stong)ARM is now Intel. Power reqirements would make any other Intel chip unsuitable, though maybe not for the toaster, if you upgrade your breakers a bit. ;-)
-Steve
Yes, that was my first thought. But doesn't the idea of statically linking libs that are included by default in Windows strike you as odd? I should mention that the download includes lot's of libs. Perhaps some of the libs implement windows calls. But which ones? It just seems strange.
-Steve
They are; That's why I think it's so odd that the binary sizes are so different.
-Steve
They are; That's why I think it's so odd that the binary size is so different.
-Steve
Why is the linux binary so much larger than the win32 binary and for that matter I noticed that the win32 binary went from 2.0MB to 2.5MB in just one day.
-Steve
Wouldn't that be a dishonest thing to do?
-Steve
(sic) Apple may, at its sole discretion and option: (sic) (c) terminate Your rights to use the Affected Original Code,
I edited the original, but if you read the paragraph, it can be simplified to this. The rest is not very concrete and open to broad interpretation.
-Steve
To:anonymouscoward@slashdot.org
I'm sending you this email privately so as not to overload www.slashdot.com. I think your story was really funny. I had the same thing happen to me just last week. The power went out and it took me the longest time to figure out why my recompile of glibc-2.0.7 didn't seem to be getting anywhere. I finally realized, and after about 20 minutes the power came back on and the compile finished up with only minor warnings about my checking to see that the power cable was securely plugged in (and a few 'blah' may be used unititialized warnings). I'm using kernel 2.2.3. with the apm module enabled. Anyway, thanks again.
-Steve
A lot of people think the case is the hard drive. I've learned to just make the translation from the context and not even ask.
-Steve
Well, this is getting embarrasing. Slashdot is eating the "less than" character that should be between the "-p1" and the "/whatever". Probably interpreting it as an HTML tag delimiter.
-Steve
Woops. I make that typo all the time when I'm patching my own kernel. Make sure and include the "".
-Steve
Hi,
/whatever/patch-2.2.3
You do realize that you can just download patch-2.2.3.gz, uncompress it, and then "cd" to your "linux" dir and do:
patch -p1
to update your existing kernel source?
I only say this because your post makes it sound like you will be downloading the whole thing to replace one of your "two previous versions". Maybe this wil save you time, or maybe I just misread.
-Steve
Then the programs would have to be good enough and difficult enough to produce that they could not be duplicated by others. They would have to do it without using GPL'ed code. Furthermore, there is no example I can think of in which they have done *anything* like this.
BTW, that reminds me. Anyone know anything of the history/status of Caldera's Netware for Linux? How did it happen? Is it open-source?
I've been using SCO at work for years. I really liked it in a character based/non-networked environment. Now that networking is big, I've found that it really sucks. Now that I've gotten to know Linux, it's very difficult to work with SCO. It just seems so primitive and proprietary. All of these tools that I'm just used to having at my command in Linux I have to go out looking for. And I have to find binaries since SCO doesn't come with a compiler unless you pay extra to buy it. And even if you do, it's not gcc. GCC is available but I've never gotten it to work on SCO. And I've never had much luck getting much of anything to compile with the proprietary native compiler.
BTW, does anyone else think that that article read like a SCO ad? "Sure, I'm open to Linux, once I see a proven track record of support at a reasonable cost" or whatever the exact quote was? SCO support is $200-$300 per incident and in my opinion, not very good.
Tanenbaum discovered the dark side, too. Ego, ego , everywhere, but not a moment to think...
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http://alge.anart.no/linux/history/linux_is_obs
>Breeding" is the most important thing humans do -
>that's not opinion, that's biology.
>I'm talking about love here, not sex
Interesting juxta-position. This is horribly off-topic, but does intimacy require having children?(!) And what does this really have to do with free/open-source software?
-Steve
You only pay for the data files. The executables are free from ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com . Just buy the Linux version and get the Windows exe from their site. (Can anyone believe I just said that? ;-) )
-Steve
Just a guess but,
There is no reason other than that it doesn't cost much more and the boxes will say:
QUAKE III
-for Linux
John Carmack is a cool guy. He is running a business and has his eye on the bottom line, as well as the general technical excellence of his games, but he has always had a soft spot for Linux, and any other OS whose developers really care about quality.
Thanks ID,
-Steve