On the one hand, the company would wish to make a good product so that more people are using it (and potentially purchasing support). On the other hand, the company has less incentive to make the product easier to use - since the more intuitive it is, the less is the demand for support (resulting in lower revenues).
Interestong point, but from what I've seen and experienced, applications that Miguel has been involved in have been mostly bug-free and don't have much of a learning curve. You yalk about the average user- and yeah, I agree, I've never spent a dime personally on support for an application for home use- but in the workplace I sure as hell have. So, let's see- the education system in the country of mexico, burlington coat factory, home depot, etc.... See what I'm saying? This company will have no problem whatsoever obtaining support contracts for superb software
Aha! An automated complaint! That crony thing gives it all away- as kickass as that script is the crony makes it reek of itself. That said, the WTO is _evil_ and to that guy that posted earlier about what a bummer day he will have crossing the line of protest to get to work in Seattle- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! Peace
There is more than e-commerce law at stake here. The WTO also rules on patent and intellectual property law. Take a look at a list of financial supporters for the upcoming meeting in Seattle, and do a little research.
WTO/SEATTLE HOST ORGANIZATION SUPPORTERS LIST (as of November 1, 1999)
Emerald Level ($250,000) ======================= Allied Signal/Honeywell Deloitte & Touche Extreme Networks Ford Motor Company General Motors Corporation Microsoft Corporation Nextel Communications State of Washington The Boeing Company U S WEST
Diamond Level ($249,999-$150,000) ================================= Activate.net United Parcel Service United Technologies Corporation Weyerhaeuser Company
Platinum Level ($149,999-$75,000) ================================= AT&T Bank of America Columbia Resource Group Expeditors International Hewlett-Packard Company Joseph E. Seagram & Sons Preston Gates & Ellis Procter & Gamble The Production Network The Workshop
Gold Level ($74,999-$25,000) ============================ Active Voice Corporation APCO Associates Business Wire Caterpillar Cisco Systems Digital Seattle Federal Express Corporation Frank Russell Company IBM Lucent Lufthansa PACCAR Port of Seattle Skyway Luggage Company U.S. Bank
Silver Level ($24,999-$10,000) ============================== APL Limited Bethlehem Steel Gray Line of Seattle Intel Corporation Northwest Airlines Northwest Horticultural Council Perkins Coie LLP Port of Tacoma Sandler, Travis & Rosenberg, P.A. Seattle Chocolate Company Thistle Press Washington Wine Commission United Airlines Xerox Business Services
Bronze Level ($9,999-$5,000) ============================ American Electronics Association American Vintners Association Atlas Air Chase Manhattan Bank Chukar Cherry Company City University Homelands International Company Horizon Airlines Lane Powell Spears Lubersky LLP Muckleshoot Casino Renaissance Madison Hotel S. Martinelli & Co. Starbucks Union Bank of California Union Square Limited Partnership Washington Software Alliance
There is a bunch of information at this site and many others regarding the WTO and why there is a formidable protest being organised for the meeting in Seattle. Some folks down here in Dallas are organizing a demonstration to show solidarity with the Seattle protesters, we are few, but if you're interested and in Dallas, swing by the bulletin board at this site and hook up with us. It'd be great to see some people in different cities doing the same if they are unable to get to seattle.
the real question is... can you you suck your own cock in a consistent, yet enjoyable manner? If you don't happen to have male gentalia, have you ever pondered this possibility? And do you have a maxim? Ah-ha.. And most of all, how do you feel about all these stock tips you've been flipping around like harmlesss chinese throwing stars... I am obviously a jerk...
You forgot their chat client! that comic strip thing has to be one of the grandest contributions to mankind i have yet seen. We wouldn't have jerkcity without it, after all...
# finger @quistis.linuxone.net [quistis.linuxone.net] Login Name Tty Idle Login Time Office Office Phone leo/2 4d Nov 1 19:44 # nmap -O quistis.linuxone.net
Starting nmap V. 2.12 by Fyodor (fyodor@dhp.com, www.insecure.org/nmap/) Interesting ports on adsl-216-101-248-93.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (216.101.248.93): Port State Protocol Service 11 open tcp systat 15 open tcp netstat 21 open tcp ftp 23 open tcp telnet 25 open tcp smtp 53 open tcp domain 79 open tcp finger 80 open tcp http 98 open tcp linuxconf 110 open tcp pop-3 111 open tcp sunrpc 113 open tcp auth 139 open tcp netbios-ssn 513 open tcp login 514 open tcp shell 515 open tcp printer 540 open tcp uucp 6000 open tcp X11
Moderate this down as off-topic if you feel like it, but I just wanted to say this has been some of the most fascinating discussion I've seen on Slashdot. Good stuff.
Levy does a great job in painting what Hackers are (or were) in this book. I really like his stuff on Gosper and Greenblatt and the imagery I get of those guys messing with and pushing the old pdp machines. Are punch card data entry machines still in use anywhere today? Good to see this review.
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Ummm... they are giving the applications away and selling support.
Best wishes to Miguel, Nat and anyone else involved...
On the one hand, the company would wish to make a good product so that more people are using it (and potentially purchasing support). On the other hand, the company has less incentive to make the product easier to use - since the more intuitive it is, the less is the demand for support (resulting in lower revenues).
Interestong point, but from what I've seen and experienced, applications that Miguel has been involved in have been mostly bug-free and don't have much of a learning curve. You yalk about the average user- and yeah, I agree, I've never spent a dime personally on support for an application for home use- but in the workplace I sure as hell have. So, let's see- the education system in the country of mexico, burlington coat factory, home depot, etc.... See what I'm saying? This company will have no problem whatsoever obtaining support contracts for superb software
Aha! An automated complaint!
That crony thing gives it all away- as kickass as that script is the crony makes it reek of itself. That said, the WTO is _evil_ and to that guy that posted earlier about what a bummer day he will have crossing the line of protest to get to work in Seattle- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Peace
There is more than e-commerce law at stake here. The WTO also rules on patent and intellectual property law.
Take a look at a list of financial supporters for the upcoming meeting in Seattle, and do a little research.
WTO/SEATTLE HOST ORGANIZATION
SUPPORTERS LIST (as of November 1, 1999)
Emerald Level ($250,000)
=======================
Allied Signal/Honeywell
Deloitte & Touche
Extreme Networks
Ford Motor Company
General Motors Corporation
Microsoft Corporation
Nextel Communications
State of Washington
The Boeing Company
U S WEST
Diamond Level ($249,999-$150,000)
=================================
Activate.net
United Parcel Service
United Technologies Corporation
Weyerhaeuser Company
Platinum Level ($149,999-$75,000)
=================================
AT&T
Bank of America
Columbia Resource Group
Expeditors International
Hewlett-Packard Company
Joseph E. Seagram & Sons
Preston Gates & Ellis
Procter & Gamble
The Production Network
The Workshop
Gold Level ($74,999-$25,000)
============================
Active Voice Corporation
APCO Associates
Business Wire
Caterpillar
Cisco Systems
Digital Seattle
Federal Express Corporation
Frank Russell Company
IBM
Lucent
Lufthansa
PACCAR
Port of Seattle
Skyway Luggage Company
U.S. Bank
Silver Level ($24,999-$10,000)
==============================
APL Limited
Bethlehem Steel
Gray Line of Seattle
Intel Corporation
Northwest Airlines
Northwest Horticultural Council
Perkins Coie LLP
Port of Tacoma
Sandler, Travis & Rosenberg, P.A.
Seattle Chocolate Company
Thistle Press
Washington Wine Commission
United Airlines
Xerox Business Services
Bronze Level ($9,999-$5,000)
============================
American Electronics Association
American Vintners Association
Atlas Air
Chase Manhattan Bank
Chukar Cherry Company
City University
Homelands International Company
Horizon Airlines
Lane Powell Spears Lubersky LLP
Muckleshoot Casino
Renaissance Madison Hotel
S. Martinelli & Co.
Starbucks
Union Bank of California
Union Square Limited Partnership
Washington Software Alliance
There is a bunch of information at this site and many others regarding the WTO and why there is a formidable protest being organised for the meeting in Seattle. Some folks down here in Dallas are organizing a demonstration to show solidarity with the Seattle protesters, we are few, but if you're interested and in Dallas, swing by the bulletin board at this site and hook up with us. It'd be great to see some people in different cities doing the same if they are unable to get to seattle.
...that french painting had the animals dressed up like george washington.
that is like the fourth version i've seen of that page in the last few days.
that sounds goofy! i've been walking around saying it, and i'm sticking with lin-ucks, dammit!
You are mai new guroo. where do i sine up?
is it leen-ooks?
lin-ix?
line-ux?
wtf?
the real question is... can you you suck your own cock in a consistent, yet enjoyable manner? If you don't happen to have male gentalia, have you ever pondered this possibility? And do you have a maxim? Ah-ha.. And most of all, how do you feel about all these stock tips you've been flipping around like harmlesss chinese throwing stars...
I am obviously a jerk...
we are a virus with shoes.
you and i and that weirdo over there are the real potential problem.
why is this guys post moderated at flamebait?
what a fucking gross idea.
sorry, that's all.
where are the pictures of edison with the dog(s)?
You forgot their chat client! that comic strip thing has to be one of the grandest contributions to mankind i have yet seen.
We wouldn't have jerkcity without it, after all...
gaaaaad, no shit!
/2 4d Nov 1 19:44
# finger @quistis.linuxone.net
[quistis.linuxone.net]
Login Name Tty Idle Login Time Office Office Phone
leo
# nmap -O quistis.linuxone.net
Starting nmap V. 2.12 by Fyodor (fyodor@dhp.com, www.insecure.org/nmap/)
Interesting ports on adsl-216-101-248-93.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (216.101.248.93):
Port State Protocol Service
11 open tcp systat
15 open tcp netstat
21 open tcp ftp
23 open tcp telnet
25 open tcp smtp
53 open tcp domain
79 open tcp finger
80 open tcp http
98 open tcp linuxconf
110 open tcp pop-3
111 open tcp sunrpc
113 open tcp auth
139 open tcp netbios-ssn
513 open tcp login
514 open tcp shell
515 open tcp printer
540 open tcp uucp
6000 open tcp X11
not to mention netscape enterprise runs on unix.
HA! Dallas, actually, so I am familiar with what you're talking about. I should have said 'driving in the top 10 percentile of idiots.'
Yeah, I know, offtopic, but every time I see someone driving like an idiot these days it seems like they're jabbering on the phone. Every time.
Are you aware of any of the royal family who use linux, or maybe have some real hacking abilities?
Moderate this down as off-topic if you feel like it, but I just wanted to say this has been some of the most fascinating discussion I've seen on Slashdot. Good stuff.
wow, this could be a very cool way to deliver sydicated content to radio stations.
Levy does a great job in painting what Hackers are (or were) in this book. I really like his stuff on Gosper and Greenblatt and the imagery I get of those guys messing with and pushing the old pdp machines. Are punch card data entry machines still in use anywhere today?
Good to see this review.
so does anyone konw who the drummer will be? simon philips (i hope), kenny jones?