From the FDL:
"You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy of it."
This doesn't seem to be in the spirit of BSD. In fact, I think technically this means you can't make notes in the margins and then loan it to a friend without jumping through hoops and letting your friend know that he's allowed by law to cross out, erase, and otherwise annihilate the comments you've made -- as long as when he returns it he gives you the right to put them back.;-)
Of course, now some American moderator who doesn't understand sarcasm and playful wit will say I'm trolling and mark me down again. Get a life.
You know what, you need to stop playing God, you sick bastard. You give someone else a +1 who is on the EXACT SAME TANGENT and then give me a -1 for being off-topic? Get off your high horse.
I quite agree that England has had the primary influence in the pronunciation of English by native speakers -- that has never been at issue.
My point was that there is folly in declaring unilaterally that England is the sole dictator of what is English, both in writing and in speech, and that anything that doesn't follow their example has no resemblence whatsoever to English, and is in fact alien and unrecognizable. The entire idea that a singular entity defines what is or isn't a language is rather odd, as language is dynamic and, in a way, organic, in constant evolution. The English people cannot say that English words pronounced with a foreign accent are not English any more than l'Alliance Française can keep the French from saying "J'voudrais jouer au hockey."
Yes, it would, actually. The Latin alphabet is used by most European languages, and many pronunciation rules are the same or similar across languages.
A German saying "sister" or "brother" or "mom" or "dad" or "car" or "dog" or "penguin" or "Linux" or "beastie" using German's own pronunciation rules would be speaking very recognizable English.
Just food for thought. It's amazing how much we think our own language is special or unique, even though the evolution of languages never happens in a vacuum.:-)
Uh. I say I prefer BSD in the BSD section of Slashdot and I'm marked as a troll? Somehow I think whatever moderator did that is a Linux zealot. I mentioned merely technical details, like dependency problems. You'd think someone with moderator status would have the maturity not to turn this into a religious war.:-|
Linux is less than perfect because it's not an operating system. It's a kernel that doesn't even have proper source control, on top of which a million organizations and companies pile unrelated software plagued with arbitrary dependencies.
Hence, why we are in the BSD section of Slashdot.;-)
FreeBSD has the entire core system in CVS and has a flexible ports system for package management, as well as pre-compiled packages for those who want it.
The whole philosophy is to begin markup sections with <whatever> and end with </whatever>.
<br/> is not a kludge. It's a shorthand. <br> is a kludge to force a line break. A line break is not part of document structure! It has no place in HTML, really. And it's inconsistent with the whole idea.
I don't really have the knowledge to counter your LALR grammar statement. However, it doesn't seem to make sense. Semi-colons are used on one-per-line statements. Most everything else has some sort of control pass-off to the next statement (or more commonly, next block of statements). This is almost certainly attached semantically to that statement, so a syntactic marker is pretty unnecessary. Also, I would guess that "most" have this syntactic sugar because C does, and so C++ does -- basically, because the most popular programming languages ever do, and probably for no other reason.
As for the reason for the lack of closing tags in HTML standards in the first place, whether they have none or they are optional, I suppose this is because the W3C people listened to Linus Torvalds ("Sometimes people make standards before the things work, and those standards tend to be really bad. Sometimes people make standards by writing down how things work, and those standards tend to work very well indeed." -- Linux Magazine, December 2000 [US version]) -- or rather, saw things the same way, since HTML 4.01 was around before then IIRC.
Slashdot Mirror
Look at some of the most popular sites out there:
- www.slashdot.org: Linux
- www.sourceforge.net: Linux
- www.hotmail.com: Win2K
- www.msn.com: Win2K (w/ FreeBSD backup?)
- www.netcraft.com: FreeBSD
- www.yahoo.com: FreeBSD
- www.google.com: Linux
- www.apache.org: FreeBSD (this one gets weight, I believe)
- www.oracle.com: Solaris
- www.mozilla.org: Linux
Some other sites:Also see this article at Netcraft. Sure, Linux outnumbers BSD. But that's not the point. I hate to disappoint you all, but BSD is not dying.
Uhh... How is commenting on the profit of human space travel not talking about human space travel?
Some Slashdot moderators need to get some asskickings.
From the FDL: "You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy of it."
This doesn't seem to be in the spirit of BSD. In fact, I think technically this means you can't make notes in the margins and then loan it to a friend without jumping through hoops and letting your friend know that he's allowed by law to cross out, erase, and otherwise annihilate the comments you've made -- as long as when he returns it he gives you the right to put them back. ;-)
Of course, now some American moderator who doesn't understand sarcasm and playful wit will say I'm trolling and mark me down again. Get a life.
You know what, you need to stop playing God, you sick bastard. You give someone else a +1 who is on the EXACT SAME TANGENT and then give me a -1 for being off-topic? Get off your high horse.
*ahem*
Troll.
l'Académie Française... l'Alliance Française is something completely different *blush*
:-)
I quite agree that England has had the primary influence in the pronunciation of English by native speakers -- that has never been at issue.
My point was that there is folly in declaring unilaterally that England is the sole dictator of what is English, both in writing and in speech, and that anything that doesn't follow their example has no resemblence whatsoever to English, and is in fact alien and unrecognizable. The entire idea that a singular entity defines what is or isn't a language is rather odd, as language is dynamic and, in a way, organic, in constant evolution. The English people cannot say that English words pronounced with a foreign accent are not English any more than l'Alliance Française can keep the French from saying "J'voudrais jouer au hockey."
Yes, it would, actually. The Latin alphabet is used by most European languages, and many pronunciation rules are the same or similar across languages. A German saying "sister" or "brother" or "mom" or "dad" or "car" or "dog" or "penguin" or "Linux" or "beastie" using German's own pronunciation rules would be speaking very recognizable English. Just food for thought. It's amazing how much we think our own language is special or unique, even though the evolution of languages never happens in a vacuum. :-)
Uh. I say I prefer BSD in the BSD section of Slashdot and I'm marked as a troll? Somehow I think whatever moderator did that is a Linux zealot. I mentioned merely technical details, like dependency problems. You'd think someone with moderator status would have the maturity not to turn this into a religious war. :-|
Linux is less than perfect because it's not an operating system. It's a kernel that doesn't even have proper source control, on top of which a million organizations and companies pile unrelated software plagued with arbitrary dependencies.
Hence, why we are in the BSD section of Slashdot. ;-)
FreeBSD has the entire core system in CVS and has a flexible ports system for package management, as well as pre-compiled packages for those who want it.
As per hardware, consider:
- Cisco Aironet 350 AIR-PCM352: $53 used on eBay
- FreeBSD stickers to cover the Windows XP Badge and decorate my laptop: $3.00
- HP ScanJet 2200C: $50 on Froogle
- Being free from Microsoft: Priceless
Some things in life you have to buy. For everything else, there's FreeBSD.Hmm. Nope.
The whole philosophy is to begin markup sections with <whatever> and end with </whatever>.
<br /> is not a kludge. It's a shorthand. <br> is a kludge to force a line break. A line break is not part of document structure! It has no place in HTML, really. And it's inconsistent with the whole idea.
I don't really have the knowledge to counter your LALR grammar statement. However, it doesn't seem to make sense. Semi-colons are used on one-per-line statements. Most everything else has some sort of control pass-off to the next statement (or more commonly, next block of statements). This is almost certainly attached semantically to that statement, so a syntactic marker is pretty unnecessary. Also, I would guess that "most" have this syntactic sugar because C does, and so C++ does -- basically, because the most popular programming languages ever do, and probably for no other reason.
As for the reason for the lack of closing tags in HTML standards in the first place, whether they have none or they are optional, I suppose this is because the W3C people listened to Linus Torvalds ("Sometimes people make standards before the things work, and those standards tend to be really bad. Sometimes people make standards by writing down how things work, and those standards tend to work very well indeed." -- Linux Magazine, December 2000 [US version]) -- or rather, saw things the same way, since HTML 4.01 was around before then IIRC.
Just some food for thought
[cough]Plato[/cough]
Shadows on the wall my friend, shadows on the wall.